What Universal Player?

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Hank Rearden

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« on: 26 May 2004, 07:44 pm »
I am curious what you would do. I am in the market for a Universal Player that I can have modified for better sound without having to spend thousands of $$$. I am mainly interested in audio ability rather than video ability. However, I will be upgrading my T.V. within the next year to HDTV and want something that can benefit from newer technology. I was considering the Denon 2200 but am not sure if Denon will be coming out with a replacement in the same price range. I also was considering the Pioneer DV-563A but have read mixed reviews. Any thoughts would be very appreciated.

rosconey

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« Reply #1 on: 26 May 2004, 08:26 pm »
screw multi channel and buy a toshiba  3950 or 3960-go to audioasylum and find the mods in the digital section, have some fun for about 100$  total.stuff is moving to fast right now to spend big bucks-upsamplers ,chips ect are getting very good in the low priced players-
if you must have multi channel find the new one from toshiba-4960 i think its supposed to be under 150$ .

just my opinion

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« Reply #2 on: 26 May 2004, 08:51 pm »
C'mon, Rosconey!  A guy posts in the Multichannel Audio section and you tell him to "screw MC"  :o  :nono:   Do you also wear your Eminem T-shirt to NOW rallies?  :lol:

I'm really happy with my DVD-2200, Hank.  It's probably a near-certainty that Denon will come out with a new model in the same range w/in the next 8 mos- 1 year:  still, the '2200 isn't really that expensive.  I love the sound & the video performance happens to be really excellent.

I haven't heard an APL modded '563, but it seems that would be worth looking into, although I don't think it has any provisions for bass management.  That could be an issue or not, depending on your system.

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« Reply #3 on: 28 May 2004, 07:31 pm »
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C'mon, Rosconey!  A guy posts in the Multichannel Audio section and you tell him to "screw MC"  :o  :nono:   Do you also wear your Eminem T-shirt to NOW rallies?  :lol:

I'm really happy with my DVD-2200, Hank.  It's probably a near-certainty that Denon will come out with a new model in the same range w/in the next 8 mos- 1 year:  still, the '2200 isn't really that expensive.  I love the sound & the video performance happens to be really excellent.

I haven't heard an APL modded '563, but it seems that ...


Rob - how do you like the bass management of the 2200? I've got the Pioneer 563 and it really is lacking in that area so I'm going to relegate it to my speaker testing system.

rosconey

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« Reply #4 on: 28 May 2004, 08:39 pm »
yeh rob i did tell him to screw mc-
its all moving too fast to buy right now in my opinion-the cheaper units ive heard sound like crap also (563).

MaxCast

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« Reply #5 on: 28 May 2004, 10:04 pm »
Screw bass mgnt and get big speakers all around and run your sub off second out from the preamp.

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« Reply #6 on: 28 May 2004, 10:16 pm »
The bass management of the Denon is pretty thorough & very effective.  It'll certainly tide me over til I win the Lotto so I can "screw it and buy all big speakers all around."  :wink:

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« Reply #7 on: 29 May 2004, 01:27 am »
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Screw bass mgnt and get big speakers all around and run your sub off second out from the preamp.


Actually I have full-range speakers all around but crossing them at 80hz gives me cleaner sound and improved detail. That's the beauty of active crossovers.

MaxCast

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« Reply #8 on: 29 May 2004, 01:36 am »
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Screw bass mgnt and get big speakers all around and run your sub off second out from the preamp.


Actually I have full-range speakers all around but crossing them at 80hz gives me cleaner sound and improved detail. That's the beauty of active crossovers.


Then why have full range speakers all around?  I can understand for the front two and 2 channel but why the rears?  Also, how are they xo'ed.

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« Reply #9 on: 29 May 2004, 01:45 am »
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Screw bass mgnt and get big speakers all around and run your sub off second out from the preamp.


Actually I have full-range speakers all around but crossing them at 80hz gives me cleaner sound and improved detail. That's the beauty of active crossovers.


Then why have full range speakers all around?  I can understand for the front two and 2 channel but why the rears?  Also, how are they xo'ed.


If you run the mains and/or rears full-range with a subwoofer there often will be too much overlap with speakers that have -3db points in the 30-50hz range (depending on how flexible the subwoofer's crossover point is). In the past the rears could have restricted low frequency response but MC audio in some mixes puts greater demands on the rears.

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« Reply #10 on: 29 May 2004, 01:28 pm »
Well, this is a combined multichannel/digital circle.  So....

I agree with Rosconey.

I've been using a 2.1 HT system for a couple of years and haven't missed those other 3 channels.  I investigated HT a couple of different times over the years and each time I found that every store used the same two tracks for auditions.  Felt too much like the 4 channel fiasco from 30 years ago for me and for the speaker budget I had in mind I much preferred the quality I could get with just two speakers versus five.  (At that time my audio and HT was together on one system.)  Let me quality all this by stating that HT has an universally low importance throughout this household.  The stuff was in place for 4 months before anyone else wondered what it was and still it only gets used for occasional TV concerts or special effects movies.

IMO we could be on the edge of an explosion of pure/straight HT offerings similar to the Sony DVD/receivers.  Most things you buy depreciate in value, so the economic measure of whether it's a good deal for you is if the enjoyment/utility you derive from it is greater than the rate of depreciation.  For instance on computers it amounts to roughly $100/month for internet charges, supplies, and depreciation.  For Rosconey's Toshiba players it's about $5/month.  A hedge would be to buy a player now that mods should be available for later, like the Denon 2200, but my guess is that the modded 563 beats it.

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« Reply #11 on: 29 May 2004, 07:52 pm »
I agree with Rick Craig, here.  Even if I could run five speakers full range, I wouldn't.  Long experience with many speakers has convinced me that most of them sound better with the bass rerouted to a sub.  Even for ancient 1/2 channel music.  :wink:  

Five RM-40's or Elixers may be a different matter, or maybe not.  I'd be curious to hear from anyone here who may have tried it.

rosconey

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« Reply #12 on: 29 May 2004, 09:17 pm »
:o wow a person who agrees with me  :o

i just saw the toshiba 4900 at media play for 69$-its a dvda unit, might be a good way to find out if mc is your cup of tea.