How to use Tape loop as home theater bypass

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How to use Tape loop as home theater bypass
« on: 29 Apr 2012, 03:37 am »
Hi Gang, I don't know if this is the right place for this. My 2 channel and home theater share one system. I am interested in a tube based stereo preamp. It doesn't have a home theater bypass but does have a tape loop. If it matters, the preamp is a melos SHA gold. I'd like to know how to incorporate this pre into my home theater setup. Before I buy the pre I need to know exactly how to connect it into my system and also, how to "set" it up. I know that something in particular needs to be done with the volume but I don't quite get it.  Thanks for your help, Garth

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Re: How to use Tape loop as home theater bypass
« Reply #1 on: 29 Apr 2012, 04:59 am »
garth,

first of all, what you want is the preamp connected only to the main 2-channel stereo speakers/amps.  and, the surround speakers connected only to the ht receiver's surround speaker outs. (if you have subs that are used for music as well as ht, i would recommend having them connected to the preamp for music use, not connected to the ht receiver's sub outs.)

then, there are a few wariables that need to be known.  does your ht receiver have preamp outputs?  and will the receiver still drive its internal amps while simultaneously driving its preamp outs?  if so, then you could run the tape out from the preamp into a line input in the receiver.  then, from the receiver's preamp outs, connect to the preamp's tape input.  then, the ht receiver's wolume pot would also control the wolume of the preamp.  (you have to select the "source" of the ht receiver to whichever line input you have running from the preamp's tape out.)  when you wanna engage the ht receiver, simply engage the tape loop on the preamp.  your actual movie source, of course, needs to be connected to the preamp, not the ht receiver.  and, you will still have to set the preamp's wolume pot as needed to match the surround speakers connected to the ht receiver.  but, once set, the receiver's wolume pot should be able to control everything.  i would suspect that, when using the ht wolume pot to control everything, the preamp's wolume pot will likely need to be max'd out, or near to it, as the signal it sees is being controlled by the ht receiver...  exact setting will depend on how much gain your main stereo map has, and efficiency of the stereo speakers vs the gain of the receiver and efficiency of the surrounds.

but, even if your ht receiver can't do this, you can still run a line out from the preamp to a line in on the receiver; in this case, you will likely have to set the ht receiver's wolume pot to max, or close to it, as the signal it sees will be controlled by the preamp's pot.  once initially set, there should be little need to be adjusting both pots...  and again, final wolume pot setting will be determined by amp gain/speaker efficiency as per above...

all that said, even if your receiver can be configures per the 1st scenario, i think i'd go for the 2nd one, simply because i bet the preamp's wolume pot will be more transparent than the receiver's; i'd rather have the receiver's wolume pot max'd out, and have the preamp's pot controlling the mains and the surrounds, then having it the other way around...

and, a 3rd option is simply running a line from the preamp's tape outs to a line input on the receiver.  in this case, the wolume pot of the preamp and the pot of the ht receiver will have to always be separately adjusted, as the receiver will always be seeing full gain from the preamp, even when the preamp is turned all the way down.  but, it is certainly the easiest way to connect things, and once you are used to using it, separately adjusting both pots should not be an issue, cuz you will know how one pot needs to be adjusted in relation to the other at any given listening wolume...

iirc, you were considering this melos locally, and it is used?  would the seller allow for an in-home audition?  if not, you could always find any old preamp to try, yust to do a "dry run", based on the above...  and, if you're wanting to try the 2nd option, and a preamp does not have two line outs, simply get something like these (awailable at parts express):



hth,

doug s.

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Re: How to use Tape loop as home theater bypass
« Reply #2 on: 29 Apr 2012, 05:18 am »
Since, the preamp you want to buy does not have dedicated HT bybass,  i suggest two thing you could do.

First, if your HT prepro or receiver has 7.1 input then all you do is plug L and R preout of your 2 channel preamp into the L and R preamp input of the prepro/reciever accordingly. That way
the signal will be routed directly to the output of your prepro or receiver and
bypass all internal processing. Only leave the volume control intact. When listen
to 2 channel music you just turn the volume of prepro/receiver to 12 o'clock(
only ref, you can turn the gain up to whatever you feel like it) and use the
volume of your 2 channel preamplifier to control. You could do the other way
around.
Second, if your prepro/reciever does not have 7.1 input but have 7.1 pre-out then you have to designate one of the input of your 2 channel as HT bypass. Plug the maint. L and R pre-out of your prepro into the designated input of your 2 channel preamplifier. Set the volume of your 2 channel preamplifier to 12 o'clock or whatever position. Right it down  or mark it so you don't forget. Turn your prepro/receiver on and calculate speaker level if your they have that feature. In case if they don't have that feature then you have to do it manually with your ears or sound meter. When listen to movie, all you do is turn the volume of your 2 channel preamplifier to the position that you have set and right down. This time, using your prepro/receiver volume to control the output sound. Hope it help.

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Re: How to use Tape loop as home theater bypass
« Reply #3 on: 9 May 2012, 04:14 pm »
I recommend the second suggestion that Austin08 does...

In my system I run my CD player into my Pre-Amp and then to my amplifier. The front L+R from my Pre-Pro go to the L+R of one of the inputs of my Pre-Amp. I'm lucky, in that my Pre-Amp volume read-out is numeric and in dB, so I can easily set it to unity gain. It'd be pretty easy to measure the correct level with a multi-meter and mark the spot for future reference on a standard rotary volume control. This way, my music is un-molested by additional connections, interconnects, and circuits, and my Movie sound is still really damned good.