Recommendation for decent affordable CD player for transport only?

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RenaissanceMan

Hey folks-

I'm currently using an outboard DAC in my system and am looking for a CD player with decent transport to use with it to replace an aging multiplayer that is on its last leg... Any good recommendations, new or used? Thanks!

Big Red Machine

Any of the Pioneer Elites with Stable Platter like PD65 and I think some of the older EAD units as well used the stable platter.

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Rega's Planet CD players make good transports.  I still have my 1st Gen Planet and it sounds great with my V-DAC II.  I saw one at the local resale shop for $170.  It was originally $800 if I remember correctly. 

Marantz, NAD, Rotel CD players from the last 10-15 years should all be usable.

wisnon

From the Affordable CD thread...


If you want a killer transport on the cheap, try one of those mid-2000s Universal players! Denon/Sony/Pioneer etc all have famous models of this genre, but the Sonys are famous for NOT playing DVD-A. Most of these models have service manuals that can be found on the Net for free. In these manuals are the details of where the SPDIF digital audio signals exit the processing chip, before entering the onboard receiver Chips/DACs.

One of the best is the Denon DVD3910 as it plays CD, DVD, SACD, DVD-A, HDCD, etc. truly universal. The chassis is huge and hefty (easy to mod, as space and accessibility is plentiful) and the transport mechanism is rock solid. The only weak point is the relatively frail lasers that go after 4-5 years or so. This WAS a problem in the past when Denon would charge $350 for a replacement.

However, the secret is out on the Net that the generic part name is the Hitachi HOP1200 series. Any of the Hop1200 R, S, N will work as a drop-in replacement and the 1200W will work if you replace the entire laser assembly, which costs the same as just the laser head. $15 plus delivery from Liberty electronics in Fla, and there are other similar sources if you google elsewhere in the USA. Get a couple spares and you are set virtually forever!

Now for the (very cheap)mod….the basis is that being that the 3910 is a Universal player, it was engineered specifically to optimize the video playback and so has high precision laser/ spinning mechanism AND a huge FIFO buffer. All these benefits transfer to simple RBCD playback as well. However, such devices were designed to show off the SOTA DACS at the time and SOTA video playback, so guess which outputs got priority/TLC in design implementation? You got it, video out and analog out, and SPDIF out was treated as the red-hedded stepchild! So despite having all the elements for KILLER SPDIF output, the superb SPDIF signal left the chip and then followed a meandering trail on the PCB going all over the place and degrading the fragile SPDIF signal. So what to do?

The answer is obvious when you think of it. Steal the SPDIF signal from source and use soemthing like a teflon coated thin silver wire to run from the CORRECT SPDIF out chip leg and connect to a newly drilled SPDIF out RCA terminal (via a 300ohm resistor). Depending on what DAC is to be used, a cap may also be needed to match impedence. I have a Lampi DAC and propbably dont even need the resistor! The other thin wire is for grounding and runs from the negative leg of a nearby electrolytic Cap to the GND connection of the new RCA terminal. Voila, killer SPDIF on the cheap!

To take it to the next level, you can order a digi-lampizator kit for about $100 from Poland and pass the Spdif signal thru this tube output stage to amplify and “square up” the digital signal even more! Total investment will be about $350 for this utimate level, including used DVD player, assorted parts, digi-lamp kit, technician’s labour, etc. Less than $200 total for the basic mod which already is astounding (60-70% of total improvement). I assume you can pick up a used Denon for $100-150 via ebay.




Feedback below
 

This is the feedback from a buddy who has a fully modded Denon.

J. came over last night for another enjoyable evening of wonderful music and ear-shocking revelations (yes, he brought the 2900).  We played my system using the Sony 5400ES as a transport for about 3 hours, and then we inserted the 2900 into the system.  After and enjoyable dinner and much-needed warm-up for the Denon, I inserted a disc and pressed the "play" button.  Holy moly!  The positive difference between the modded 2900 and the 5400ES was startling.  The music seemed to be coming from everywhere!  Then J. said (with a big smile):  "If you think this is good, you should hear the 3910 with the tubed digi-lampzator SPDIF output in your system."     

Hopefully, Lukasz still has a 3910 in stock but I will completely understand if he does not (perhaps he could make a recommendation regarding another piece of gear).  Regardless, the modified Denon 2910, played through an LZ4, was absolutely breathtaking, involving to the max, and simply "sonically right."  In the right hands (Lukasz), there appears to be hope for Redbook cd playback.  Unbelievable!  .
 
 
 

Ericus Rex

A word of caution about the stable-platter players and the first gen Regas; they are great players, but those lasers are very old and the assemblies haven't been made for years.  If they ever need replacement you'll have to spend ooodles of money on them.  If you find one cheap then, by all means, go for it but I wouldn't pay anywhere near fair market value for one.  If you're using a good dac you will still get very good sound with a very cheap player used as a transport.

RenaissanceMan

Wow, this is great info... Thanks, everyone!

Are the latest 'budget' CD and universal players' transports generally inferior to the older models, as far as jitter or "robustness" goes? There is a used Marantz 5004 for sale here locally for around $200, but I have no idea of the quality... Since this will only be a transport device I'm buying, I'm trying to purchase as inexpensively as I can, but without sacrificing too much build quality. Thanks again, everyone-

wisnon

Wow, this is great info... Thanks, everyone!

Are the latest 'budget' CD and universal players' transports generally inferior to the older models, as far as jitter or "robustness" goes? There is a used Marantz 5004 for sale here locally for around $200, but I have no idea of the quality... Since this will only be a transport device I'm buying, I'm trying to purchase as inexpensively as I can, but without sacrificing too much build quality. Thanks again, everyone-

You have to mod the DVD player to get quality spdif. Megaherz spdif signal does not like the long pcb traces and so the signal is degraded unnecessarily. With this cheap mod I described, you will thrash almost ANY CD transport short of a megabucks VRDS solution. The Denon also has HDCD and SACD capabilities for those disks in your collection! Mine cost me less that $200 here in expensive Switzerland! I did only the basic mod, not yet the Digi-lamp mod....though I just got the kit and will try to have that done in the coming weeks. Should cost another $200 in total for the ultimate D-L mod.
« Last Edit: 28 Apr 2012, 05:02 pm by wisnon »

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From the Affordable CD thread...

If you want a killer transport on the cheap, try one of those mid-2000s Universal players! Denon/Sony/Pioneer etc all have famous models of this genre, but the Sonys are famous for NOT playing DVD-A. Most of these models have service manuals that can be found on the Net for free. In these manuals are the details of where the SPDIF digital audio signals exit the processing chip, before entering the onboard receiver Chips/DACs.

One of the best is the Denon DVD3910 as it plays CD, DVD, SACD, DVD-A, HDCD, etc. truly universal. The chassis is huge and hefty (easy to mod, as space and accessibility is plentiful) and the transport mechanism is rock solid. The only weak point is the relatively frail lasers that go after 4-5 years or so. This WAS a problem in the past when Denon would charge $350 for a replacement.

However, the secret is out on the Net that the generic part name is the Hitachi HOP1200 series. Any of the Hop1200 R, S, N will work as a drop-in replacement and the 1200W will work if you replace the entire laser assembly, which costs the same as just the laser head. $15 plus delivery from Liberty electronics in Fla, and there are other similar sources if you google elsewhere in the USA. Get a couple spares and you are set virtually forever!

Now for the (very cheap)mod….the basis is that being that the 3910 is a Universal player, it was engineered specifically to optimize the video playback and so has high precision laser/ spinning mechanism AND a huge FIFO buffer. All these benefits transfer to simple RBCD playback as well. However, such devices were designed to show off the SOTA DACS at the time and SOTA video playback, so guess which outputs got priority/TLC in design implementation? You got it, video out and analog out, and SPDIF out was treated as the red-hedded stepchild! So despite having all the elements for KILLER SPDIF output, the superb SPDIF signal left the chip and then followed a meandering trail on the PCB going all over the place and degrading the fragile SPDIF signal. So what to do?

The answer is obvious when you think of it. Steal the SPDIF signal from source and use soemthing like a teflon coated thin silver wire to run from the CORRECT SPDIF out chip leg and connect to a newly drilled SPDIF out RCA terminal (via a 300ohm resistor). Depending on what DAC is to be used, a cap may also be needed to match impedence. I have a Lampi DAC and propbably dont even need the resistor! The other thin wire is for grounding and runs from the negative leg of a nearby electrolytic Cap to the GND connection of the new RCA terminal. Voila, killer SPDIF on the cheap!

To take it to the next level, you can order a digi-lampizator kit for about $100 from Poland and pass the Spdif signal thru this tube output stage to amplify and “square up” the digital signal even more! Total investment will be about $350 for this utimate level, including used DVD player, assorted parts, digi-lamp kit, technician’s labour, etc. Less than $200 total for the basic mod which already is astounding (60-70% of total improvement). I assume you can pick up a used Denon for $100-150 via ebay.




Feedback below
 

This is the feedback from a buddy who has a fully modded Denon.

J. came over last night for another enjoyable evening of wonderful music and ear-shocking revelations (yes, he brought the 2900).  We played my system using the Sony 5400ES as a transport for about 3 hours, and then we inserted the 2900 into the system.  After and enjoyable dinner and much-needed warm-up for the Denon, I inserted a disc and pressed the "play" button.  Holy moly!  The positive difference between the modded 2900 and the 5400ES was startling.  The music seemed to be coming from everywhere!  Then J. said (with a big smile):  "If you think this is good, you should hear the 3910 with the tubed digi-lampzator SPDIF output in your system."     

Hopefully, Lukasz still has a 3910 in stock but I will completely understand if he does not (perhaps he could make a recommendation regarding another piece of gear).  Regardless, the modified Denon 2910, played through an LZ4, was absolutely breathtaking, involving to the max, and simply "sonically right."  In the right hands (Lukasz), there appears to be hope for Redbook cd playback.  Unbelievable!  .

Hello all. Please pardon the reply to an old thread, but I'm working on my new/old 3910, and have a few questions.

First, and most importantly to me, Wisnon, can you tell me which leg of which ic you took the spdif signal from?

I'm trying to get my hands on a copy of the service manual. If anyone can help with that, ot would also be greatly appreciated.

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You can get the Pro TASCAM CDP 200 from B+H for around $200 with remote and it uses the same great transport as on the big brother TEAC that is 5 times the price.
I love mine and unlike my Marantz and Sony transports it's smooth and solid. The rack ears come off with 4 screws.

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Denon DCD1520 or any other with the Sony KSS151 transport.
Change the white plastic clamp and huge arm for a donut magnet from 3/4'' cheap speaker.

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I bought a used Oppo BDP-83 on Ebay for 75 bucks, not too bad sounding.

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Don't know how cheap you want to go, but a Rega Apollo can be had for $350 or so. Had one once and it could read / play CDs in just about any condition. Also it has a memory buffer it places most if not all of the song in and this helps tremendously with the quality of playback. Plus they look cool with the whole top loading mechanism.

Otherwise the B&H tascam model previously mentioned seems like a good choice.

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Onkyo C-7030 is very affordable and well build.

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Onkyo C-7030 is very affordable and well build.

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Marantz CD5004. I used one for a few years and it worked quite well.

johzel

I've used Oppo's over the years as transports and they do a very nice job for the money.  Plus, they essentially play anything on a disk.  Currently, I'm using a Cambridge Audio CXC Transport for CD's - very nice and is a dedicated transport-only player.

bacobits1

The CXC is very good!!

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Hey folks-

I'm currently using an outboard DAC in my system and am looking for a CD player with decent transport to use with it to replace an aging multiplayer that is on its last leg... Any good recommendations, new or used? Thanks!

The Sony DVP-S7000 and similar DVP-S7700 make great transports for 2-channel CD playback.  They don't support multichannel or the SACD or DVD-A formats, but have separate laser pickups for DVD and CD playback and are built like a tank.  They have both optical and coax SPDIF outputs for hooking up an external DAC.

You can pick one up on eBay for less than $100 shipped, or better yet, save the shipping and look for one at your local Goodwill or on craigslist.  Because they don't do multichannel or Blu-Ray, nobody wants them for home theater use any more, so if you're patient, you can probably pick one up locally for $10 - $20.  Which is a heck of a bargain for a well built transport that originally sold for $1000.