Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?

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Paul.Raulerson

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My better half just this morning started making gentle noises about the Maggie 1.7s in the living room being a little - large. Has anyone compared Maggies to the Odyssey speakers? If so, what did you think?  Speakers will be used for both music and video in a two channel rig. How do they compare in size, and are they as sensitive to placement in the room as the Maggies are?

I just recently got a Khartago amp (with some upgrades inside I think- most beautiful sounding amp anyone could ask for...) and I think we will see an Odyssey Candela Preamp this week or next. That's already a little nerve wracking, given I am not a "tube" guy, but I expect it will sound glorious. :)

I don't want to swap in a set of speakers that will sound less than the 1.7s, but I do need to swap in smaller speakers. Either that or - well - I don't know what. I love my Maggies, and Klaus' gear seems to love them back. What kind of sound do the Odyssey speakers give out?

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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #1 on: 13 Apr 2012, 08:57 pm »
Send me a pm and we can discuss.  I own a pair of Kismet Reference which are a pair of Lorelei's with a much bigger and better crossover.  The cabinet and drivers are exactly the same.  Check out my gallery for some pics of the speakers.

Bob

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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #2 on: 14 Apr 2012, 07:57 pm »
Send me a pm and we can discuss.  I own a pair of Kismet Reference which are a pair of Lorelei's with a much bigger and better crossover.  The cabinet and drivers are exactly the same.  Check out my gallery for some pics of the speakers.

Bob


That sounds cool. I don't seem to have any capacity to send a PM here though. Is there another way to contact you?
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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #3 on: 15 Apr 2012, 03:18 pm »
Click on my username next to my post and a page will pop up enableing you to send me a pm.

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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #4 on: 15 Apr 2012, 04:07 pm »

That sounds cool. I don't seem to have any capacity to send a PM here though. Is there another way to contact you?
-Paul

You need one more post to get past the probationary period.  Then you'll be able to PM members.  Nothing against you, it's an antispam measure to make sure you are a human.

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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #5 on: 15 Apr 2012, 05:02 pm »
I don't think you'll find the Candela too nerve wracking,,actually just the opposite--have fun and enjoy.  :thumb:

Paul.Raulerson

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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #6 on: 15 Apr 2012, 08:07 pm »
It arrived this week. (huge thank you Klaus & co.) and it's darn cute. Just hooked it up and it sure does sound good. Can't wait for it to break in and show it's true self. The wee little tubes in there are darn cute too, though I admit, it didn't occur to me the things would actually glow.  :duh: That will make it a litte easier to figure out if the break.

Well, hopefully this be enough of a post to get me past the "probationary" period!

Paul

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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #7 on: 16 Apr 2012, 03:34 am »
I hope this thread stays public! Similar to Paul, I have souped-up, late model Khartago-Kismet mono hybrids, Candela pre, and 1.7s (2-channel, Oppo 83 source). Sounds fantastic, but it's my first hi-end rig and I have nothing to compare against. Would love to hear some considered opinion.

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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #8 on: 30 Apr 2012, 02:35 am »
I hope this thread stays public! Similar to Paul, I have souped-up, late model Khartago-Kismet mono hybrids, Candela pre, and 1.7s (2-channel, Oppo 83 source). Sounds fantastic, but it's my first hi-end rig and I have nothing to compare against. Would love to hear some considered opinion.

I personally think you have a great setup indeed. We have been looking at alternative speakers, with the caveat that they are small (stand mounted) and let me tell you, replacing 1.7s is a tough row to hoe! Small speakers can sound great, but they all seem to sound like they are in a box and are just - well - unpleasing. 

Karen is somewhat opposed (okay - absolutely opposed) to anything large, but may consider a set of Maggie MMGs if she can decorate them so they are both "feminine and pretty."  The Candela and Khartago can drive them without even breaking a sweat. And they are much less expensive than say, a set of PSB Synchrony 1Bs or even 2Bs. (Which is what she really wants...)

They Lord - I listen with my eyes closed most of the time anyway...  :roll:

-Paul

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I have a pair of Loreleis, but with much heavier amps. Not in love with them, but they do sound very good if that matters. Just more bass than I like, and that's the big difference you'll notice. I've heard the 1.7's driven with PS Audio amps. Not bad, and in some respects better than the Lorelies. Depending on the room shape and size, the Maggies will produce a bigger sound stage, but also be lacking in bass. 3.6's have a much better sound stage in my opinion. Kinda think of it as life size sound verses sound from a box. I honestly think the Khartago amp is a little small for Maggies. But if I owned 1.7's, I would have a 60 watt tube amp in front of them.

I've been playing around with the idea of blocking some of the rear port on the Lorelies. But results are still mixed. They are better at ten feet out than six feet out. Sound seems more focused and the sound stage is better. I wish they were front ported! And I'll never buy another box type speaker with rear ports again. I don't care who says different. On the otherhand my girl friend thinks they sound great (she's used to listening to Allison speakers), and they really are not bad speakers in anyway. I think they could use a better tweeter and a slightly larger (say 7.5") bass driver or maybe two 5" drivers for the bass. The bass is not a tight as I want (but still good), and I miss the sparkle of the upper high end (maybe a super tweeter or a Heil tweeter). The imaging is there, but still the upper highs are just slightly lacking. That's where Maggies shine. On the otherhand my kid has the next size smaller Odyssey speakers, and these are just fantastic. A little short on bass, but not very much. The mids and highs seem tighter. I think the bigger ones image a little better, but I mostly listen to trios and quartets in acoustic jazz so the soundstage is only looking for depth.

Before I bought the Lorelies I used a pair of Meadowlarks (Kestrel Hot Rods). Different in sound, but very smooth and slick. Did female vocals like nothing I've yet to hear. Pretty much all the bass I cared for, and maybe could have used 2KHz more top end. These speakers were made for tubes, and the amps really worked well with them (I think Odyssey amps work better with higher impedence loads). The Lorelies probably have 8Hz more bottom range. Yet you'll never see it with a CD due to their stupid recording curve. But you sure can tell it with an LP. Interestingly, the Lorelies really do rock & roll well, and fusion and funk as wll too. They do jazz very well, but not as well as they do rock music. I like jazz and classical the most, and for some odd reason they seem lacking in classical music (could be the recordings, I just don't know for sure). Somethings (instruments) they do very well, and others pretty good. An upright bass is outstanding with them, as well as the tenor and alto sax. Piano is better than average, but could be better. Clarinet seems OK, but have heard better. Stringed instruments are pretty good all the way around as long as they are electric (acoustic upright being the exception). Acoustic guitar is above average, but for me lacks the decay.

This is not a critique, but just what I've found over the years and living with a pair of Lorelies
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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #10 on: 1 May 2012, 07:40 pm »
I have a pair of Loreleis, but with much heavier amps. Not in love with them, but they do sound very good if that matters. Just more bass than I like, and that's the big difference you'll notice. I've heard the 1.7's driven with PS Audio amps. Not bad, and in some respects better than the Lorelies. Depending on the room shape and size, the Maggies will produce a bigger sound stage, but also be lacking in bass. 3.6's have a much better sound stage in my opinion. Kinda think of it as life size sound verses sound from a box. I honestly think the Khartago amp is a little small for Maggies. But if I owned 1.7's, I would have a 60 watt tube amp in front of them.

Hi Gary - thanks for the input. I think any floor stander is pretty much out of the running for us here at this point, based on WAF. ;)

Tube amps in front of a Maggie? Wow- that's an idea. Maggies are not really as watt hungry as they are for current to drive all that radiator, so if a tube amp can pump out current it would work.  Never heard a Khartago described as "light" before, but to each their own. Compared to some amps, they are definitely "light." ;)

-Paul

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Re: Speakers: Anyone compared the Lorelei / Syrens to Magnepans?
« Reply #11 on: 2 May 2012, 06:49 pm »
Hi Gary - thanks for the input. I think any floor stander is pretty much out of the running for us here at this point, based on WAF. ;)

Tube amps in front of a Maggie? Wow- that's an idea. Maggies are not really as watt hungry as they are for current to drive all that radiator, so if a tube amp can pump out current it would work.  Never heard a Khartago described as "light" before, but to each their own. Compared to some amps, they are definitely "light." ;)

-Paul

could have worded it better than I did. The reference to heavy & light was in power.  Earlier I moved into the "you just can't have enough power" school of thought. Maybe that was good and maybe not. I try to look at both sides. My reference to Maggies and tubes was from listening to the very first pair a long time ago. They were powered by Conrad Johnson tube amps, and the sound was wounderfull. Later I learned that Magnepan actually uses a 35 watt tube amp to drive a pair in their lobby!  Still on the otherhand I do think my amps would easilly drive a pair of 20.1's, nd be a light year better than the PS Audios trying to drive those 1.7's

You'll probably like the Candela preamp. I have one, but it's not in my system right now. Kinda looking at new ones, but I want five inputs with a tape loop (very important for me). I know what it's going to be (least I think so), but don't have the cash on hand at the moment. Wish Klaus would build a 75 watt tube amp!
gary