[doug s.]

Out of topic, but reading, music and movies are mind laundering, but TV is the most powerful brain washing we are exposed, with the ColorTV intensity increased, and in the 1990years boys began tobe silly, and girls become vulgar and authoritarian.

As result we are living today in a generation of adult fools, teenagers are more dumbs, and unable to read a book or question anything, they accept anything TV shows, and challenge only their parents.

+1!!!

i am thankful that i gave up tv 40 years ago, and i am more thankful that my kids grew up w/o it being a big influence in their lives...

doug s.

[BobRex]

Hey Doug,  any chance you could fix your "V" key??

[Mitsuman]

Hey Doug,  any chance you could fix your "V" key??

It's his signature! 

[doug s.]

Hey Doug,  any chance you could fix your "V" key??

i could, if it were broken.   

doug s.

[dB Cooper]

It wasn't just the CD or cassette that killed the LP- it was something that hasn't (I think) been mentioned here yet: the VCR, or more generally, the home video market. "Back in the day", if you didn't want to take in what was on any of the three TV channels or ten radio stations you could get at any given time, what was left? Play a record.

Once there were 65 cable TV channels to watch, and a remote so you could switch between them without getting up off your fat ass, and videotapes and DVDs so you could watch whatever you wanted whenever you wanted, "watching" took over from "listening". Once these happened there was a lot less interest in getting up off the couch to flip the record. Want to skip a song on the CD? push a button on the remote. On an LP? Get up and walk across the room. (There were some attempts at remote operated TT's but I think they all pretty much sucked.) The owner of one of Baltimore's two remaining audio shops told me that if he had to depend on audio (apart from HT), he would have to close his doors.

[Æ]

Hey Doug,  any chance you could fix your "V" key??

Kind of reminds me of Elmer Fudd.

Onwy wegistewed membews awe awwowed to access this section, uh-hah-hah-hah.
Pwease wogin bewow ow wegistew an account wif AudioCiwcwe.

[roscoeiii]

i could, if it were broken.   

doug s.

I think you mean "bwoken"

[Æ]

TV is the most powerful brain washing we are exposed, with the ColorTV intensity increased, and in the 1990 years boys began to be silly, and girls become vulgar and authoritarian.

I hate to tell you this, but TV and silliness concurred way before 1990, at least 40 years earlier. Have you ever watched any episodes of "I Love Lucy?"

[Tyson]

Agreed, we have not gotten any dumber in recent decades.  We are just as dumb as we have always been.

[roscoeiii]

Oh no, I am clearly getting dumber.

[lazydays]

Well hey, audiophiles can't reliably distinguish tube amps from solid state amps in blind listening either.  Clearly, audiophiles are not to be trusted!

And, as an audiophile myself, I can state with certainty that I myself do not trust my own ears.  I know they deceive me at every chance they get.

I can, and to take this a step further; I've been right 100% of the time.
gary

[Tyson]

Thanks for pointing all that out, you just saved me a lot of money and effort trying to find a good sounding amp! 

Psychoses that lurk in my head are not to be trusted either.  I trust neither my ears, or those d@mn voices.

[Tyson]

BTW, I'm trying to be light hearted here, to keep this thread out of Quarantine or IGW, which is where an unusually high # of threads you've participated in recently seem to end up.  I know, that had nothing at all to do with you.  But, then I looked over most of your posts here and I realized, "Man, I thought I came off as a jerk online.  Wow."

[S Clark]

Back to the origin of the thread....
I guess that I don't agree with the premise of being "duped".  There were very real reasons for the demise of the LP and the ascendency of the cd.  For the vast majority of the buying public (those with a mid-fi or lower tt) the increased dynamics and lower noise level of the cd resulted in them embracing the newer technology.

... and Fullrangeman does a great job with a second language. I shudder to think what my attempt to post in German or Spanish would be like.

[macrojack]

That generation was badly duped by lip-synching, steroids, trickle down, penny stocks, and S&L fraud, among other things. CD sound versus LP was a relatively small concern.

Besides, the profit in CDs was obviously much higher. I know because AOL sent me a free one about every three days trying to get me to subscribe. If they could paper the landscape with those discs at no charge to the unwitting recipient, the discs were surely cheap to produce. Presumably all other production costs were the same for CD as LP.

I would also assert that the mention of convenience is correct and that another factor which had great implications was the deliberately perpetrated myth of indestructibility. People who did not take care of records (the majority) were delighted to think that they could continue their bad habits with the new medium without causing the scratches and warps that their LPs suffered at their hands.

Record distributors were very heavy handed in forcing stores to change over, going so far as to cancel return privileges for damaged records.

There was much more going on than just the free market speaking.

[rbbert]

In equivalent dollars, CD's have been cheaper (street price) than LP's for all but a few years after their introduction.  In 1970, the retail chain The Wherehouse opened, and sold LP's for the then unbelievably low price of $2.49, roughly equivalent to $15-18 today, when the street price of most CD's is $10-13, and LP's go for $20 and up.

[TONEPUB]

What you're all missing is that popular opinion among many in the record industry in 1982, was that digital would be "harder to duplicate" than Vinyl records and cassettes.

That's what friends of mine in the music business have told me time and time again.  With no easy way to duplicate a CD when they were introduced, and even some time later when the first commercial burners (1x speed, at about $4,000 each) came on the scene and a blank CDR was $15, no one ever thought that many people would bother to pirate CD's.   

They never saw 52x burners, fast computers and cake pans of 100 blank CDR's at Costco for 9 bucks on the horizon....

[FullRangeMan]

+1!!!

i am thankful that i gave up tv 40 years ago, and i am more thankful that my kids grew up w/o it being a big influence in their lives...

doug s.

Wow, this is a huge time span, I congratulate you on this achievement.
I thought doing it, but nor was possible put into practice.

[FullRangeMan]

Are you working off of facts or just your own opinion?  You don't mention convenience and the ascendence of cassettes as being the downfall of lps.  Why not?  After all, CDs were developed to replace the cassette, which was the dominant form of music purchases, BECAUSE of their convenience and ability to play in portable players - think cars.

Short life of LPs?  Say what????  I've got lps over 50 years old that play fine.  How long of a life do you want?

As far as turntables from the 70's and 80's not being as good.  Well, factually wrong again.  When was the LP12 developed?  How about that wonder of wonders the SL1200, or it's many predecessors (SP10?).  I sold hundreds of high quality tables back then, many of them are still revered today.  Can you say Yamaha PX 2 and 3, Micro Sekei, Revox, VPI, and Sota, as well as the almighty assorted others?  Also keep in mind that many of the people now discovering the "wonders of vinyl" are doing so with rejuvinated cheap tables from the 70's and 80's, so there goes your expensive complaint.

Now if you would have mentioned the multitude of problems plauging the LP pressing industry, then you might have had a point.

The decrease world wide LP sales are a fact I read in the local magazines of the time(1985) at the CD euphoria.
I did not mention cassetes as its sales was very low in my country.

The part about LP/turntable are my personal opinion, upon the overall situation at the time.
I meant say LP has a short life in number of auditions, not lifetime unused on a shelf.
The Shure & Dynavector cartridges I used in the 70 years used run at 1,8 or 1,9grams, unfortunately today MC cartridges run heavier at 2 to 3grams, so I fell it will make a dig in any vinyl.
I had no facts about how many times LPs can be played with these modern cartridges.

[Rclark]

Fullrangeman is my favorite poster, I've actually told him this before. I hope he doesn't try to pretty up his English, that would ruin it.

Whenever I see him post I wanna go eyyyyy Gustaaaaavoooo!. Lol.