Odyssey Lorelei - finally, the search is over!

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byteme

Odyssey Lorelei - finally, the search is over!
« on: 15 May 2004, 03:11 pm »
It's been a couple months now, and a few hundred hours on the Lorelei's so I thought I could finally write a valid view of my thoughts on these.

I've had my prior speakers since the late 80's.  Polk RTA11t's which I modified to 11tl's and upgraded the crossovers.  I'd been pretty happy but I knew they were now what was holding things back.  My search for new speakers was pretty well detailed here, I considered quite a few; North Creek Borealis, Ellis 1801b, Tyler 7U, Meadowlark Kestrel 2, VMPS RM30, various other ribbon or planer possibilities.  When it came down to it I knew I wanted a full range-ish floorstander, but that didn't narrow the field much.  By the time I'd read, listened, PM'd and emailed anyone and everything I could find I'd pretty much made up my mind to get the 7U's.  Just before I placed the order I changed my mind the final time and went with the Lorelei's!  This was 3rd week of December.  The wait began....  And so did all the extended reading and questioning.  I drove my wife a lot more nuts than usual!

At the end of February Klaus said they were ready and would be in my garage when I got back from at business trip to Dallas.  While in Dallas I got the chance to visit Capt. Humble, who also has Lorelei's and was a great help through the whole process.  After spending a couple hours listening I was confident I'd made the right decision - but how would they be in my room?

When I got home the Lorelei's were in the garage, but UPS had done a number on them, beat them up pretty badly, dented corners on each, both crossovers had been torn from their mount on the bottom panel.  I was pissed.  Klaus took care of me though, had another pair ready for me two weeks later - this time I met his wife in northern IN for pickup rather than mess with UPS.

So, I fire them up and the first thing I notice is - 6Moons was right on.  HOLY LOW END!  I thought the Polks could belt it out down there but not like this.  After listening to these I understood what people meant by one note bass - because the Lorelie's DON'T have it!  Not that the Polks are bad there but these are just SO good, listening to Ray Brown Trio I picked up on sublte tone changes and the not so subtle ones were easily evident.  And, oh, the musicality.  Everything you've heard about these regarding both low end and musical involvement is exactly true.  Amazing.  They really draw you in and actually pull your attention away, make you want to sit down and listen and then keep listening.  And this is right out of the box.

Now that things have worn in for awhile, it just gets better.  Bass is smoother, deeper, more accurate.  Mids - fantastic.  Female vocals are fantastic with these.  Highs, well I think the thing that jumps out most at me about these is they made me realize that the Polks were either a little bright or not as good a system match.  Highs are sweet - not shrill or ear piercing, just right on.  Songs like Eva Cassidy Tall Trees in Georgia used to have a couple parts that just made me cringe, I chalked it up to poor recording because I didn't want to think it was speakers, also the crowd cheering at the end of Hotel California live, same thing, made me cringe.  Now, just smoothness!  A triangle strike on Johannes Linstead CD sounds like someone is standing behind the guitar with a freakin' triangle.  Which brings me to imaging.  Again, it's impossible to fault them there either.  Spot on, able to place things appropriately and convey so much detail!  That's one of the biggest surprises for me.  Everyone has talked about how emotional and musical these speakers are, but what gets lost is they are also providing all the detail you could want.  The beauty is it's there but that's not ALL that's there - so you find yourself getting so lost in the music you might not pay attention to the tiny details these are providing.  From breathing nuances to Ray Browns fingers on the stand up bass.  They are there!

Soundstage is appropriately wide, outside the speakers.  On sympathy for the devil by the stones I'd swear the bongo dude is sitting in front of the equipment rack.  It's a very full but not in your face presentation.  Another area these really excel at in my mind is for home theater.  As mains these have brought movies to a whole 'nother level.  The amount of bass and detail they provide add awesome punch to things like the Lobby scene in the matrix or the Balrog scene.  Awesome performers for this - and not mentioned enough I feel.  They bring you into the movie like they bring you into the music.  And for concert DVD's and such - I was up until 4:00 AM last weekend listening to Paul Simon, Sting, Sarah, Eagles, James, Peter Gabriel - nearly every one I had.  Just couldn't pull myself away.

One final thing, fit and finish.  Klaus uses top quality parts throughout as you know, we all know about the drivers and the crossovers - which by the way are just silly big.  They may not be the very last word in furniture quality cabinets, but they are beautiful.  Don't get me wrong, I've got no issue with them at all, but, to be fair I have seen MUCH more expensive speakers with a bit bitter cabinet, Dynaudio Special 25's come to mind, but they are well more than twice the price for 1/2 the cabinet size.

Forgot to mention one other thing.  Off axis is also wonderful.  Sure the imaging goes away, but all the dynamics and musicality of these just fill the house.  I moved out of the sweetspot and into the kitchen to make breakfast and my toes are still tapping!

I really don't know what else to say other than I don't know how Klaus can do it.  Comparatively, what you get with this speaker is outstanding top level sound for what really is a DIY price.  The Borealis would have run only a couple hundred less and I would have had to put it together (cabinet provided).  These are exactly the Symphonic Line Legatos which sell for almost $7k in Europe after all.  Am I happy?  The Lorelei's make me do this ===>  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

Matthew Wilson

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« Reply #1 on: 3 Jun 2004, 05:12 am »
Byte-me you have my sympathy. How is it possible that not one of the usual suspects chirp's in with a comment about your review.

It's a pretty good review. you'd expect something back. Makes me a little suspicious :o

Captain Humble

Odyssey Lorelei - finally, the search is over!
« Reply #2 on: 3 Jun 2004, 11:05 am »
Matthew has shamed me into making a comment.

First of all, well done byteme. :notworthy:
I think you've covered all of the bases and your impression of the Loreleis mirrors mine.

I fully intended to do a review of the Loreleis, but being from New Orleans I'm a master of the art of procrastination.  My first stall was to wait for my Tempest to arrive because it should make the system sound even better.  Well, I've had the Tempest for months but now maybe a better digital front end, and so it goes...

I still intend to do a review someday, but until I get off my ass a simple "DITTO" below your review will have to do.

Jeff

byteme

Odyssey Lorelei - finally, the search is over!
« Reply #3 on: 3 Jun 2004, 01:45 pm »
Thanks guys!  I was a little surprised at the response, but the goal was that someone would read this, find it useful in their quest for speakers.  It got a lot of hits so hopefully that happened.  There has been a lot of noise about these lately so no surprise there isn't many questions.

Captian, speaking of procrastination, I've got those CD burned for you that we talked about the last time I was there and have yet to send them.  Just sitting there next to the computer...I'll get on it eventually!

mca

Odyssey Lorelei - finally, the search is over!
« Reply #4 on: 5 Jun 2004, 05:04 am »
Thanks for the great review, Byteme. I have been very interested in the  Loreleis and have them on my short list of speakers I would like to audition. Others on my list are the Dali Helicon 400, Silverline Panatella III and the Usher CP-6371. Any experience with any of them you can comment on compared to the Lorelei?

byteme

Odyssey Lorelei - finally, the search is over!
« Reply #5 on: 5 Jun 2004, 04:40 pm »
Quote from: mca
Thanks for the great review, Byteme. I have been very interested in the  Loreleis and have them on my short list of speakers I would like to audition. Others on my list are the Dali Helicon 400, Silverline Panatella III and the Usher CP-6371. Any experience with any of them you can comment on compared to the Lorelei?


I've got nothing on the Dali or Silverline, the Usher I like, at least the center channel for that 6 series.  I've got the X-616 center which is a fantastic match for the Lorelie's.  I believe that Captian Humble is having Stan the Usher distributor stop by his place sometime soon to listen to the 616 center with his Lorelie's.  Stan is also bringing along a pair of the CP-6311's to compare with the Lorelei.  Hopefully Captian will post his impressions!

As I said, the Lorelei's are fantastic.  They keep getting better too.

hometheaterdoc

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Odyssey Lorelei - finally, the search is over!
« Reply #6 on: 6 Jun 2004, 04:30 pm »
Quote from: byteme
I've got nothing on the Dali or Silverline, the Usher I like, at least the center channel for that 6 series.  I've got the X-616 center which is a fantastic match for the Lorelie's.  I believe that Captian Humble is having Stan the Usher distributor stop by his place sometime soon to listen to the 616 center with his Lorelie's.  Stan is also bringing along a pair of the CP-6311's to compare with the Lorelei.  Hopefully Captian will post his impressions!

As I said, the Lorelei's are fantastic.  They keep getting better too.


Byteme,

Great review.  Thanks for sharing.  

So glad to hear that you are liking the Lorelei's and that the Usher X-616 center channel worked out for you!

I'd really like to hear the Lorelei's.  I've built numerous designs over the years using the drivers in the Lorelei's, albeit I'm sure with different crossover implementations.  I personally really like the drivers and still have Scanspeak 8545 drivers, along with Usher equivalents, in my vehicles....

I've got the Usher CP-6311s here in stock now.  I'm really curious to hear Captain's comments about what he thought of the two speakers and their differences and similarities.

If anyone in the Raleigh area has Lorelei's, I'd love to hear them.  PM me if you wish.

Captain Humble

Odyssey Lorelei - finally, the search is over!
« Reply #7 on: 6 Jun 2004, 11:12 pm »
hometheaterdoc, you've hooked your wagon to a winner. I'll try to post a mini review tomorrow, but for now I'll say I was very impressed.
Jeff