[e.man]

A remaster is a different thing to a reissue.

[jawaka]

Does anyone have any experience with the Music on Vinyl label from the Netherlands? They do 180g reissues as well as some original pressings.

I have lots of music on vinyl records, and they sound great. They are clearly made with a lot of care. I have got Mark Lanegan, screaming trees, Aretha Franklin, Miles Davis, Alice in chains, Sam Cooke's night beat, Jimi Hendrix, Charles Mingus, Patti Smith, and I want more, more, more and more!

http://www.musiconvinyl.com/index.php

http://flipflashpages.uniflip.com/3/62042/118781/pub/

[jawaka]

Does anyone have any experience with the Music on Vinyl label from the Netherlands? They do 180g reissues as well as some original pressings.

I have lots of music on vinyl records, and they sound great. They are clearly made with a lot of care. I have got Mark Lanegan, screaming trees, Aretha Franklin, Miles Davis, Alice in chains, Sam Cooke's night beat, Jimi Hendrix, Charles Mingus, Patti Smith, and I want more, more, more and more!

http://www.musiconvinyl.com/index.php

http://flipflashpages.uniflip.com/3/62042/118781/pub/
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[jawaka]

Did I post this twice?
All I wanted was to quote!
I am an old fashioned vinyl guy,damned
I don't even know how to post a picture!

[Etnier]

A remaster is a different thing to a reissue.

True 'nuf, but I thought I saw reference to some remastered work in this thread. It's a bit hard to tell, since for the most part the issuing labels haven't been included in posts.

Like: Zappa's Hot Rats. Reissue? There was a great remaster on Classic with BG doing the work again: I assumed the poster meant that one. Meanwhile, if you go here: http://www.playbsides.com/?p=837, you'll see both terms tossed around interchangeably.

At any rate, forgive me: I am new here. I have a medium-sized collection of vinyl, reduced from one about twice that size that was culled when I moved to my current house 25 years ago. I'm slowly replacing old worn-out stuff or records what would substantially benefit from attention in the mastering room.

[vinyl_guy]

I have lots of music on vinyl records, and they sound great. They are clearly made with a lot of care. I have got Mark Lanegan, screaming trees, Aretha Franklin, Miles Davis, Alice in chains, Sam Cooke's night beat, Jimi Hendrix, Charles Mingus, Patti Smith, and I want more, more, more and more!

http://www.musiconvinyl.com/index.php

http://flipflashpages.uniflip.com/3/62042/118781/pub/

Thanks jawaka,

I've ordered The Moody Blues to Our Children's Children's Children

Laura

[Trover]

At this point, By and large I would suggest to avoid most 180g reissues. I would go for the real thing if you happen to have access to a used record store, especially at the price some of these reissues go for. Plus obviously magnetic tape degrades over time, and are not used for a fair number of 180g things these days, even if they are they can exhibit some damage as in the 45rpm Getz/Gilberto. I'm also not big on this $50-60 per album 45rpm craze. A hundred bucks for 2 albums new when you can get 10 or 20 for the same amount used? And of course there are used reissues, I just took a bunch to the store a few weeks back. All that said I'd go for the speakers corner 33rpm 180g Getz/Gilberto since you wanted a jazz suggestion (eventhough it is not the "original" mix).

[vinyl_guy]

I have not had Trover's experience with the 180g reissues I have purchased. Both the 180g 45 RPM reissues of Fleetwood Mac and Rumours are absolutely stunning. Both are from the original analog tapes and contain a much fuller musical presentation, more clarity, detail and depth, from top to bottom than the original first pressings which I have. I also own the Jennifer Warnes Famous Blue Raincoat 45 RPM box set on 180g vinyl. It wasn't cheap at $100, but well worth it. The McCartney reissues on 180g vinyl have been very good. Clearly some labels do a better job than others with the reissues.

[roscoeiii]

At this point, By and large I would suggest to avoid most 180g reissues. I would go for the real thing if you happen to have access to a used record store, especially at the price some of these reissues go for. Plus obviously magnetic tape degrades over time, and are not used for a fair number of 180g things these days, even if they are they can exhibit some damage as in the 45rpm Getz/Gilberto. I'm also not big on this $50-60 per album 45rpm craze. A hundred bucks for 2 albums new when you can get 10 or 20 for the same amount used? And of course there are used reissues, I just took a bunch to the store a few weeks back. All that said I'd go for the speakers corner 33rpm 180g Getz/Gilberto since you wanted a jazz suggestion (eventhough it is not the "original" mix).

I've got to disagree here. Yes, many companies are cashing in on a 180g reissue. But some of these sound phenomenal, and are giving us vinyl that is either/both difficult & expensive. But it is important to do your research on what the originals go for & sound like and whether the reissues improve on them in any way (or at least approach them in sound quality).

As for 45 RPM, I was floored by the 45RPM Black Saint & the Sinner Lady that just arrived. Jaw on ground on the sound quality. Pricey? Yep. But there are certain records that meet my criteria for spending so much: 1) they are among my all-time favorites 2) the recording quality is high enough that the recording will benefit sonically from being 45RPM.

[orthobiz]

I've got to disagree here. Yes, many companies are cashing in on a 180g reissue. But some of these sound phenomenal, and are giving us vinyl that is either/both difficult & expensive. But it is important to do your research on what the originals go for & sound like and whether the reissues improve on them in any way (or at least approach them in sound quality).

As for 45 RPM, I was floored by the 45RPM Black Saint & the Sinner Lady that just arrived. Jaw on ground on the sound quality. Pricey? Yep. But there are certain records that meet my criteria for spending so much: 1) they are among my all-time favorites 2) the recording quality is high enough that the recording will benefit sonically from being 45RPM.

The 33.3 Fleetwood Mac is "OK"
It's better than my US copy.
I have a 45 rpm on the way and I will report back.
Imagine it should be better.

Paul

[TONEPUB]

At this point, By and large I would suggest to avoid most 180g reissues. I would go for the real thing if you happen to have access to a used record store, especially at the price some of these reissues go for. Plus obviously magnetic tape degrades over time, and are not used for a fair number of 180g things these days, even if they are they can exhibit some damage as in the 45rpm Getz/Gilberto. I'm also not big on this $50-60 per album 45rpm craze. A hundred bucks for 2 albums new when you can get 10 or 20 for the same amount used? And of course there are used reissues, I just took a bunch to the store a few weeks back. All that said I'd go for the speakers corner 33rpm 180g Getz/Gilberto since you wanted a jazz suggestion (eventhough it is not the "original" mix).

Unless your getting low stamper number originals or white/green label promos from country of origin, you aren't getting the stuff that is as good as or even better than the good remasters.  And those records cost big bucks too.

And we review more music than all the other hifi magazines combined.

Where most of the remasters we've had the chance to review and compare to the low number originals shake out is that most are very good (except Friday Music, these are consistently awful) and some even match or exceed the originals.  But I see these records as a chance for the person who doesn't want to pay 100 - 500 (sometimes more) for a first stamper original LP.

Take it for what it's worth.  We've heard a lot of remasters that were fantastic, some not so much.

[Trover]

Unless your getting low stamper number originals or white/green label promos from country of origin, you aren't getting the stuff that is as good as or even better than the good remasters.  And those records cost big bucks too.

And we review more music than all the other hifi magazines combined.

Where most of the remasters we've had the chance to review and compare to the low number originals shake out is that most are very good (except Friday Music, these are consistently awful) and some even match or exceed the originals.  But I see these records as a chance for the person who doesn't want to pay 100 - 500 (sometimes more) for a first stamper original LP.

Take it for what it's worth.  We've heard a lot of remasters that were fantastic, some not so much.

 Of course there are some good ones, when I say by and large I'm meaning all of the cruddy, and so so, and slightly good 180g issues interspresed among the small number of truly exceptional ones, and also considering the cost of most, she would probably have a better batting average buying 20 NM/VG+ used than 2 or 3 180g new. I have found maybe white label promos are considered collectible, but are no guarantee of better sound- I had a white label promo and a standard issue of Supertramp "paris" and the standard issue was easily better. Other WLP LP's have failed to impress, I no longer seek them out and usually avoid them because of their higher price.

[roscoeiii]

Trover,

In my experience, the proportion of quality reissues to "cruddy, so-so and slightly good" reissues is pretty high, in favor of the quality reissues. Perhaps you can specify on which labels you find crudy, so-so and slightly good reissues. Or some specific examples of LPs. This would be very helpful to the vinyl lovers here on AC.

In my experience, the Friday Music reissues and the Scorpio are both worth staying away from unless you've heard otherwise on a particular reissue.

But other reissues give sound that can come close to equalling and sometimes can exceed the original. Beck's "Sea Change," Sinatra's "Only the Lonely,"  Milt Jackson "Impressions," Elvis Costello's 45RPM "Get Happy" (all MoFi) & Cat Stevens "Tea for the Tillerman" (QRP) all come to mind. And there are other cases like the Smiths' Rhino reissues where the new LPs surpass all but the best (and now very expensive) pressings.

Not that there aren't some bad reissues (check out Fremer's review of Exile on Main St for an example). And not that you aren't going to be able to get a lot more vinyl for your buck (and often high quality if you look hard enough). But I think you are writing off reissues a bit too much here. With the assistance of threads like this and the SH Forum, I have been able to find some great reissues and avoid some potential stinkers.

[Trover]

I don't condem 180g reissues, there are a variety of reasons why I feel they are better off to learn and hunt for things and come to their own conclusions. To elaborate on your request for more specifics- about 65 percent of the 180g stuff I have bought in the past 20 years went to the used store. I did'nt like nearly all Classic records RCA shaded dog and Blue note reissues. AP MM 45 rpm bluenotes are better but still nothing exceptional and can usually be beat with even a 70's blue label copy (also at less than the 50 bucks these cost). ON Elvis costello I'd recommend to buy UK or German pressings "porkys" or otherwise over reissues, which can be had NM/VG++ for less money than the reissues, at least when I got mine they were. On Speakers corner Deccas: I recommend to buy Orange label with silver type London stereo treasury UK for US pressings (the record label will say "Made in England") over the 180g versions. The 180 g versions are ok. My London stereo treasury Mendohlson scotch symphony Magg, and Shubert symphony 9 outdid the 35 dollar 180g reissues for 3 dollars each. I would recommend a green warners Little Feat Dixie chicken over the MFSL (they can be had for less and will sound better), I would recommend the OJC records cut by George horn in the 80's and 90's over most of the current 180g versions. In 30 plus years of troving and learning about records I would say 180g reissues typically represent a decent but not preferred option, not saying there are'nt some exceptional ones, but the scope of 180g products on the market as a whole would not be my first refuge. I'm not sure if the poster wants to go troving or not though.

[roscoeiii]

Trover,
Thank you for your most helpful response. I do think I need to start grabbing some OJC vinyl. Price is right and I keep hearing that they are good pressings.

[coverto]

I'm listening to the Capitol 180g reissue of "Music From Big Pink" by The Band and it sounds quite excellent. 

... and have just confirmed that the reissue of the second album "The Band" is likewise excellent...

[orthobiz]

The Costello reissues are amazing. Just listen to "Green Shirt" on Armed Forces. The imports are probably good, too.

Paul

[SteveFord]

I've got the remastered 180 gm Patti Smith double album retrospective, Outside Society, on right now.
They did a really good job with this one.
Next stop CBGBs!

[vinyl_guy]

I've got the remastered 180 gm Patti Smith double album retrospective, Outside Society, on right now.
They did a really good job with this one.

 

[simoon]

I recently bought John Coltrane - A Love Supreme and Gentle Giant - In a Glass House.

Both are quite good.

The GG is a Direct Metal Master is especially good. It is from the original master tapes. Very open and dynamic. The surface is dead quite.

I haven't spun the Coltrane enough to give a review.

I also bought the 2 disk vinyl release of Opeth - Heritage. Not a reissue, but still quite good.