Bristol Hi-Fi Show -2012

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Bristol Hi-Fi Show -2012
« on: 26 Feb 2012, 11:19 am »
Quote from: saveloy on Yesterday at 06:01 PM

Hey Vipers,

It was busier than I figured it would be.  But a good show as always.  I didn't intend on it, but I purchased a pair of PMC twenty 24s in walnut. 

I was very impressed with all of the PMC & Bryston rooms. 

Kyri

Hi Kyri

So give us some more of your impressions of the show - did you take any pictures?

Starting a new thread.

James


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Re: Bristol Hi-Fi Show -2012
« Reply #1 on: 26 Feb 2012, 12:18 pm »
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Had a great day today. Pop over to whathifi who are giving out free copies of their magazine and have some good deals on subscriptions (including some free sennheiser headphones). The whathifi demo had an 11 speaker setup this year with an 'ultra high definition' projector, needless to say it looked and sounded rather good.

For me the best demo room was the Chord stereo setup in the lower ground level. Simply breathtaking sounding and looking equipment, you should definitely check it out:

PMC had a good home cinema setup which stood out as a really impressive system as well.

Make sure you check out the KEF demo as well, they have their most impressive Blade Speakers again this year and the guys doing the demo have an obvious passion for what they do. They have a selection of their vintage speakers on display to celebrate their 50 year birthday and it's quite incredible to see how things looked not all that long ago.

Lots of other nice things to go and see and hear so enjoy . The biggest victory for me is when my girlfriend said to me "I think we should definitely get a projector", nice .

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Re: Bristol Hi-Fi Show -2012
« Reply #3 on: 26 Feb 2012, 12:44 pm »
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Bristol Hi-Fi Show 2012

This has to have been, sound wise, the worst hi-fi show I have ever been to. Talk about self-affirming. Nothing there got close to my own system. Many rooms were playing at wisper levels on the Friday. I went again today for a couple of hours and there was at least some volume in some of the rooms, but at least on floors 1 and 2, so many were suffering from poor, bloated bass. This was confirmed by a couple of work mates I was with - so it isn't just me.

Quite how they expect to sell stuff when the sound performance was falling so short of the mark is a bit confusing.

Anyway, today's dynamic trio actually rated the PMC/Bryston room as sounding the best by some margin - at least of those on floors 1 & 2 - after which I had to leave. Their Twenty Series speakers really do seem to be good.

I really don't feel that motivated to write much of a report, so I'll provide a link to all the photos and may add a few posts later.

http://photobucket.com/BristolHi-Fi2012

saveloy

Re: Bristol Hi-Fi Show -2012
« Reply #4 on: 26 Feb 2012, 01:34 pm »
Hi James,

I normally attend on a Sunday, so I was expecting Saturday to be quieter.  It was not.  Foot traffic aside it was another great Bristol show.
There wasn't so much in the way of high end releases this year.  I noticed a fair number of new speakers. 
The new Spendor floor standers confused me, in that they didn't have their traditional sound.  They were actually quite cold & harsh.
Rega had a set of transmission lines, which were warm & lovely.
Usher had a super sounding set of diamond tweetered floor standers.
There was a great deal of Naim amplification around.  I counted at least 5 rooms.  One of which was the Focal room. 
Again, not impressive at all.  The sound was very muddy. Every room in which I heard Naim equipment (Spendor included) sounded different, of course.  But none of them sounded quite right.  I don't know if it is a partnering issue, because I have heard each manufacturer in isolation and enjoyed the sound.  Very strange. 
Focal did have their first set of headphones there.  At £200 I thought they presented a great buy.  Beautifully finished and the great sound quality I know can come from Focal.
Leema always impress me & this year had the lower end components.  A very dry and punchy presentation.  Thankfully they are not the kind of company whose sound has huge disparity between price points. Their signature sound is easily noticeable, whether one is listening to their top end equipment or their entry level DAC. 
I didn't manage to get into the What Hi-Fi room, to hear the 11 speaker PMC/Bryston set up.  I did, however, sit in the SP3/PMC twenty series room.  Stunning!
What really impressed me, above and beyond the soundstage and the dynamics, was the quality and effortless cohesion to the sound.  It was by far the best AV set up I heard on the day.  It was quite likely the most expensive, though.
In the 2 channel PMC/Bryston rooms the BHA-1 sat in one and the twenty series/BDP-1/BDA-1/BP26 & 4B SST2 in the other. 
They begun with the twenty 21.  Initially I thought they were OK.  But another track or two and Woah!
They are small, but a speaker that small has no right sounding so large.  The dynamics came from no where, too.
I had a good chat (as always) with Keith and Tom.  Informative & friendly they always are.  I wanted to hear the twenty 24s, so Tom told me he would set them up for me nearer the end of the day.  Back I ran with 15 minutes to the end & I had the room to myself.  Immediately I could hear how much smoother and more cohesive this series is compared to the i series.  They do have a more dry bass, but it is just as extended.  The big plus for me is the far greater midrange warmth & clarity and......timing!  Boy are they great here.  My ears were astounded with their transient attack and the way in which they dealt with dynamics. 
In terms of where they sit in the PMC range, sound quality wise, I think they are far closer to the fact range than they are to the i series.  In fact(excuse the pun), I think they are a superb integration of the two.  Timing, smoothness & cohesion of the fact range, along with the most of the bass warmth & extension of the i series. 

Kyri

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Re: Bristol Hi-Fi Show -2012
« Reply #5 on: 27 Feb 2012, 02:06 pm »
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We tend to go this show most years -- I find it mostly beneficial overall, and it's usually a good 'reset'. You get to hear what stuff other than your own sounds like.

Firstly, you get to hear stuff you could never possibly think of affording, and realise that it's mostly no better than what you've already got, although notable exceptions apply.

Secondly, you get to hear music that you'd never otherwise voluntarily listen to, which is occasionally very illuminating, but not all that often. The phenomenon of 'same old tracks in every room' seems to have gone, at least.

Thirdly, there is often magnificent unintentional comedy where you'd least expect it, such as when all the hardware from a particular manufacture is aggressively slim and ultra-miniature, but all the personnel from the same company are about 4 feet wide and clearly weigh over 20 stone.

The crux of it is that there's a stack of manufacturers all trying to get their stuff to sound at least vaguely acceptable under the worst possible conditions -- it is at least a level field. Seemingly, very few of them actually rise to the challenge, or it could be that they know better than I what the bulk of the public want when they spend, often, quite a lot of money on an audio system.

We didn't go into every room (by a long chalk), but both Spendor and Acoustic Energy somehow contrived to take some seemingly competent source components and combine them to produce boomy, flubby mush.

After this, Kudos gave some relief by at least providing some treble, making the port-chuffing less obvious, but it still didn't hang together properly.

Dali's room was interesting in that it sounded like an arbitrary mixture of the other two, but gave an arresting diversion in the form of one of their display-only speakers exposing its port to the room in a manner (and at a height from the floor) which appeared to invite the user to attempt congress with it. Whatever will they think of next, one wonders.

Naim's big Ovators seem to do everything more or less perfectly, but end up being mysteriously 'non-explicit' and ultimately non-engaging -- you just find yourself ignoring them, which is surprisingly easy to do and doesn't speak well of the various 'digital players' being demonstrated. There's 'effortless' (which is good), and there's 'making no bloody effort' (which isn't).

I had a similar problem with Rega's R10s (?), which apparently also use BMRs, but in their case added Spendor-style flub. Odd.

But PMC's oddly pissed-looking little boxes were utterly fantastic (ED: driven by Bryston electronics). It's incredible that they don't sound like a little speaker, but it's even more incredible that they also don't sound like a little speaker not sounding like a little speaker. Just satisfyingly precise, very fast and powerful and able to stop and turn on a sixpence. They're almost as nice as the fact.3s (at a third of the cost), and that's saying quite a lot