What to measure on equipment that we hear?

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What to measure on equipment that we hear?
« on: 14 Feb 2012, 05:58 pm »
I'm curious to know what measurement(s) should be taken on a preamp or amp that there is a direct correlation on sonics. 

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Re: What to measure on equipment that we hear?
« Reply #1 on: 14 Feb 2012, 06:14 pm »
This should be good.  :duh:




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Re: What to measure on equipment that we hear?
« Reply #2 on: 14 Feb 2012, 06:16 pm »
I'm curious to know what measurement(s) should be taken on a preamp or amp that there is a direct correlation on sonics.

Only four parameters are needed to define everything that affects audio fidelity:

Frequency response
Distortion
Noise
Time-based errors

In truth these are parameter categories, with several subsets each. For example, under noise is hiss, hum, and cross-talk. Under distortion there's THD, IMD, and aliasing, among others. Time-based errors encompass wow, flutter, and jitter. But these four categories tell all. The ultimate test is the null test, where the output of a preamp or other device is subtracted from its input to reveal all differences.

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« Reply #3 on: 14 Feb 2012, 07:33 pm »
Only four parameters are needed to define everything that affects audio fidelity:

Frequency response
Distortion
Noise
Time-based errors

In truth these are parameter categories, with several subsets each. For example, under noise is hiss, hum, and cross-talk. Under distortion there's THD, IMD, and aliasing, among others. Time-based errors encompass wow, flutter, and jitter. But these four categories tell all. The ultimate test is the null test, where the output of a preamp or other device is subtracted from its input to reveal all differences.

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Is this an industry standard or an Ethan standard? 

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« Reply #4 on: 14 Feb 2012, 08:02 pm »
Is this an industry standard or an Ethan standard?

What do you think? :D

Look here and draw your own conclusion:

www.ap.com

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Re: What to measure on equipment that we hear?
« Reply #5 on: 14 Feb 2012, 08:07 pm »
What do you think? :D

Look here and draw your own conclusion:

www.ap.com

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I likey.  I wonder how many companies use this though.   :scratch:  Do you happen to know?  Do you own one?

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« Reply #6 on: 14 Feb 2012, 09:12 pm »
I likey.  I wonder how many companies use this though.   :scratch:  Do you happen to know?  Do you own one?

I like it too, but no way can I justify that sort of expense. Fortunately, one can do real testing with a high-quality sound card, audio software that offers FFT analysis (many do), and a little ingenuity. An entire chapter in my upcoming book talks about this.

Anyway, all serious audio manufacturers and developers use this level of test gear for confirming their products. Here's another:

http://www.prismsound.com/test_measure/test_home.php

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Re: What to measure on equipment that we hear?
« Reply #7 on: 15 Feb 2012, 03:50 am »
Which category is a waterfall plot in?

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Re: What to measure on equipment that we hear?
« Reply #8 on: 15 Feb 2012, 06:14 pm »
Waterfalls assess time-based phenomenon such as ringing. But room acoustics itself is not really a parameter for audio gear because echoes, reverb, and modal ringing happen outside the gear. Then again, ringing can occur within gear, so a waterfall could be used for that.

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Re: What to measure on equipment that we hear?
« Reply #9 on: 15 Feb 2012, 06:31 pm »
Ethan,

Would a null test on an amplifier assume a stable and constant load?  Would that mean that we would still have to use other tests to get an understanding on how the amp behaves with speakers?

My question is not intended to argumentative, I'm just trying to make sense of all the info I read on the web and the bathroom walls of the audio stores.

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Re: What to measure on equipment that we hear?
« Reply #10 on: 15 Feb 2012, 06:50 pm »
The beauty of the null test is it can be run in situ. So you could connect a speaker and also null the input and output signals. In fact, that's probably the best way to do it, to satisfy those who believe that a varying speaker impedance is a factor.

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Re: What to measure on equipment that we hear?
« Reply #11 on: 15 Feb 2012, 06:55 pm »
Ah hah! :duh: 

Makes sense.

Thanks.

The beauty of the null test is it can be run in situ. So you could connect a speaker and also null the input and output signals. In fact, that's probably the best way to do it, to satisfy those who believe that a varying speaker impedance is a factor.

--Ethan