Plagiarizing AudiogoN Ads - A Big no-no

cryotweaks · « **on:** 27 Apr 2004, 06:33 pm »

Anyone ever have this happen? A few weeks back I posted this ad (read the description under the Walker High Def Links).

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?accstwek&1086132148&item

Only to see this ad appear a couple of weeks later.

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?accstwek&1088264947

The guy took my ad word for word! Even uses my impressions/opinions as his! That really creeps me out. So I shot the individual an email. I will post if and when he replies.

azryan · « **Reply #1 on:** 27 Apr 2004, 07:03 pm »

Were you given permission to use the 6moons quote?

pjchappy · « **Reply #2 on:** 27 Apr 2004, 07:06 pm »

As long as he credited the source, which he did, there is no problem w/ using the quote.

p

azryan · « **Reply #3 on:** 27 Apr 2004, 07:21 pm »

From 6moons site -"all content and graphics on this site are protected by copyright and may not be used without prior permission from the publisher"

Just because he sited where he took the quote from doesn't mean 6moons gave him permission to use it.

maxwalrath · « **Reply #4 on:** 27 Apr 2004, 07:28 pm »

I'm with pjc...if a reviewer has something good to say about something you're selling and they don't have a history of going after people for using it to sell one piece of gear, go for it.

Everyone wins...6moons gains recognition (deservingly so), cryo gives evidence he is selling a good product, the manufacturer gets free press, and the prospective buyer doesn't have to search the internet as much for impressions of the product if he/she isn't familiar with it.

pjchappy · « **Reply #5 on:** 27 Apr 2004, 07:36 pm »

W/ today's copyright law, everything is coprighted as soon as it's written. . .there is no need to register it. The words I am writing right now are my intellectual property and are copyrighted right now.

There is nothing wrong w/ taking excerpts and crediting their source. Copyright law in this case would prevent someone from copying the review and placing it on his site, or maybe even mirroring the review.

Same goes w/ news stories, etc. If one couldn't take excerpts and credit them, I couldn't have graduated undergraduate or law school.

p

cryotweaks · « **Reply #6 on:** 27 Apr 2004, 07:44 pm »

What I was concerned with were my comments about how the HDLs worked in my system. The AudiogoN user posted them as if they were HIS comments on the HDLs in HIS system. I think that was deceptive to the potential buyers. Sure, he could fix that by putting quotes around my comments and acknowledging me. But he didn't. I find that troubling.

cryotweaks · « **Reply #7 on:** 27 Apr 2004, 07:46 pm »

UPDATE. The user fixed the issue, and apologized.

pjchappy · « **Reply #8 on:** 27 Apr 2004, 07:47 pm »

Cryo, yes, what he did was wrong.

AZRyan was trying to say your quoting 6moons.com was wrong. . .SOOO, the topic got a touch off topic. Sorry.

p

azryan · « **Reply #9 on:** 28 Apr 2004, 12:39 am »

Don't put words in my mouth -yet again. I never said he was wrong, and didn't imply it either.

pjchappy · « **Reply #10 on:** 28 Apr 2004, 01:00 am »

Well, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. If that's not what you meant, than I misunderstood your intentions. . . .I felt it was implied. . .that's what I thought you meant. . .no harm done.

p

viggen · « **Reply #11 on:** 28 Apr 2004, 06:21 pm »

Quote from: azryan

From 6moons site -"all content and graphics on this site are protected by copyright and may not be used without prior permission from the publisher"

Just because he sited where he took the quote from doesn't mean 6moons gave him permission to use it.

JoshK · « **Reply #12 on:** 28 Apr 2004, 06:42 pm »

Quote from: azryan

Don't put words in my mouth -yet again. I never said he was wrong, and didn't imply it either.

could have fooled me.

azryan · « **Reply #13 on:** 28 Apr 2004, 06:51 pm »

Leave me alone if you can't even make a point.

randog · « **Reply #14 on:** 28 Apr 2004, 08:19 pm »

Easy, big guy. Instead of trashing everyone, why don't you explain what you were trying to convey?

You put out posts that are curt and unclear, yet you snap easily when anyone calls you on it. You seem to take pride in not taking the time to edit or spend too much time in your attempt to get your point across... all fine and good if you can let the responses bounce off (or respond to them with courtesy). However, you seem to take just as much pride in slamming anyone who "misconstrues" them (the quotes are because -at least in this case- I can't see how it was).

A calm response gives you the benefit of the doubt. Posts like your original one in this thread make it look like your intent was to stir the pot and your responses don't do much but confirm it.

azryan · « **Reply #15 on:** 29 Apr 2004, 12:56 am »

randog,

I can only assume you’re directing your comments to me but you didn’t actually say who you were talking about. You say I’m not clear in my posts? Ironic.

Obviously you'd just like to join in the cheap shot 'gang up' bandwagon.
I mean this thread is already dead and yet you post to tell me how to act.

"-Easy, big guy. Instead of trashing everyone, why don't you explain what you were trying to convey?-"

Uh... I didn’t trash anyone here much less the ‘everyone’ like you say.

Why tell me to take it easy? I didn’t flip out at all.

I told people who decided to take shots at me to leave me alone since they don’t even both to make a real point.

C’mon. Be rational.

And why would people who take cheap shots at me deserve to have me explain myself? -though here I am explaining myself anyway.

I always explain myself to reasonable people who ask reasonable questions, but this is not the case here.
Even people who hate my guts have to admit I explain myself unless they totally cross the line with insults where I then give up and usually ‘hit’ back.

The prob was people reading things into things I post, then not bothering to ask if what they imagined was right or wrong and chose to take shots at me for what they invented.

"-You put out posts that are curt and unclear, yet you snap easily when anyone calls you on it.-"

No, I snap at people who make cheap shots, or call me names, or insult me with vague generalities that are impossible to defend against -which is what you guys just did to me.

I’m not actually ‘snapping’ at all here though.. I’m clearly addressing your ‘complaint’.

You should either respect that or admit you don’t care about my answer.
One or the other though I think.

‘pjchappy’ apologized for putting his words in my mouth and so I have no prob with him here now as I do with you others even though he and I have very recent, very bad history.

“-Posts like your original one in this thread make it look like your intent was to stir the pot and your responses don't do much but confirm it.-“

Feel free to have that opinion, but you’re wrong.
My first post was just a simple question. It could have had a simple answer but the poster didn’t answer me.

Pjchappy tried to answer me but based on what he thought I meant by the question, not the actual question.
The original poster is the only one who could actually answer my question.

You chose to read things into things I posted and seem to believe you’re blameless for doing so because you must know what I was thinking.

It’s astounding how you feel you can tell me how to act when you do something like that.

Note again... this still is far from me ‘flipping out’.

The best way to figure me out and get to the heart of a problem you think you have with me is to be specific and direct.
Typically people don’t do this and things degrade from there but of course they think I started it.

randog · « **Reply #16 on:** 29 Apr 2004, 01:10 am »

I have no problem with you except for the tone of your posts which come across as disrespectful to your fellow man.

If it were me, I'd want to know that which is why I took the time to tell you. Again, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you mean to come across with a huge chip on your shoulder and I'm guessing it's your writing style. If I'm right, this info is valuable to you to think about how your posts come across in the future. If I'm wrong then I'm wasting my time.

Randog

Edited because I'm trying to be cool.

cryotweaks · « **Reply #17 on:** 29 Apr 2004, 04:58 pm »

Quote from: azryan

Were you given permission to use the 6moons quote?

To close this thread, no I did not ask permission. I did however reference the source of the quote, and provided a link to the SixMoons article.

The individual who copied my words and experiences did not reference me as the originator. That was the source of my complaint.

Cheers!

Mike

randog · « **Reply #18 on:** 29 Apr 2004, 09:29 pm »

Mike, I'm sorry for my part in this thread getting off-base. I got in on a beef that wasn't mine. Had I known there was already a history of bad blood here, I'da stayed clear.

FWIW, count me in as another who thinks you were right to call that guy on his ad.

azryan · « **Reply #19 on:** 29 Apr 2004, 11:00 pm »

I actually wanted to make something out of this damn thread, not try to attack people or get attacked by people who think they know what I was thinking.

This topic was actually interesting to me. Is there a way that the actual topic can just be discussed and no shots at me?

How 'bout we try ok?????

If Cryotweak can post a quote from 6moons and it's perfectly legal to do so then why does 6moons and other places have disclaimers like the one I pointed out?

And beyond that.... what good are they if they have no legal value?

And if the guy who took what cryotweak wrote was wrong... then would he have been right if he had only added '-cryotweak.' at the end?

And if not... what's the diff.?

This is NOT an attack at ANYONE. I'm trying to figure out how some of this copywrite stuff works.

If I wrote a review I wouldn't want someone stealing it, but I've had people take pictures I've posted and things I've said without my permission and didn't think it was too cool.

Part of question was leading to whether there's a diff. between morally right and legally right, but I never got far enough to actually post anything like that. depressing.

Anyway... obviously there must be some legality that says I can't publish a Stephen King book and get away with it if I were to note that he wrote it.

I was trying to learn about what's leagally right -which should be beyond debate.... and maybe if it came to it, talk about what's morally right -which would obviously be open for anyone to state their opinion on the matter.