Bryston circa 2005...talk about a bargain!

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jaxwired

Bryston circa 2005...talk about a bargain!
« on: 4 Nov 2011, 10:01 pm »
Just rereading the inner ear review of the Bryston BP26 when it came out in early 2005.  Then you could buy the BP26 with MPS2, WITH remote for $3200 out the door!   That's full retail price.   That same setup now would run you approx $5k once you add the remote.  For what I think is the exact same gear.   


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Re: Bryston circa 2005...talk about a bargain!
« Reply #1 on: 4 Nov 2011, 10:12 pm »
Funny how electronics are priced. Advancement in technology has allowed computer prices to fall but hi end audio equipment keeps going up, up, up.

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« Reply #2 on: 4 Nov 2011, 10:25 pm »
Several things have outpaced inflation, but normally these talks will get you shunned in this forum...

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Re: Bryston circa 2005...talk about a bargain!
« Reply #3 on: 4 Nov 2011, 11:20 pm »
Several things have outpaced inflation, but normally these talks will get you shunned in this forum...

Interesting reply.  My post was more about what a bargain Bryston was offering back then and less about the cost now.  But I guess it does beg the question.  The cost of high end audio is a function of supply and demand like everything else.   We have less demand now.  I don't want to see Bryston go away.  And their prices are still on the very reasonable end of the high end category of electronics.  Unlike much of their competition, they don't make any $20k preamps or worse.  They also don't engage in "good, better, best" pricing which is another sign of corporate integrity.  Meaning they don't attempt to lure you to the next level.  When you buy a bryston amp, you are getting their best effort at that power level.  When you buy any bryston preamp you are getting their best effot at that feature level.  Compare that to most of the competion.  Very different approach that I really appreciate.

I don't begrudge Bryston's price hikes at all.  They do not seem like gouging the consumer to me.  More like an appropriate response to a diminishing market.   :)

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Re: Bryston circa 2005...talk about a bargain!
« Reply #4 on: 4 Nov 2011, 11:42 pm »
Interesting reply.  My post was more about what a bargain Bryston was offering back then and less about the cost now.  But I guess it does beg the question.  The cost of high end audio is a function of supply and demand like everything else.   We have less demand now.  I don't want to see Bryston go away.  And their prices are still on the very reasonable end of the high end category of electronics.  Unlike much of their competition, they don't make any $20k preamps or worse.  They also don't engage in "good, better, best" pricing which is another sign of corporate integrity.  Meaning they don't attempt to lure you to the next level.  When you buy a bryston amp, you are getting their best effort at that power level.  When you buy any bryston preamp you are getting their best effot at that feature level.  Compare that to most of the competion.  Very different approach that I really appreciate.

I don't begrudge Bryston's price hikes at all.  They do not seem like gouging the consumer to me.  More like an appropriate response to a diminishing market.   :)
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Yeah in 2005 $3200 would have been a sweet deal, at least by today's standards.  But adjusted inflationary dollars would still make it only around $3700 at around 2.2% / yr compounded.  If there really haven't been any technological enhancements then really the difference would come down to Goodwill the company has built into it's name...Bryston is just better known now and is a bigger company.  I'm doubtful if their sales are less than 2005.  I'd expect given their expansion into the U.S. that they are still growing in sales yr to yr.

jaxwired

Re: Bryston circa 2005...talk about a bargain!
« Reply #5 on: 5 Nov 2011, 01:03 am »
Most high end companies have had similar prices jumps during the last decade.  The KEF Reference Model 3's I'm listening to right now cost $3700 new in 1998.   Today's version of this speaker would be the Reference 205/2 which run $14k.   Pretty steep climb.

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« Reply #6 on: 5 Nov 2011, 01:50 am »
Most high end companies have had similar prices jumps during the last decade.  The KEF Reference Model 3's I'm listening to right now cost $3700 new in 1998.   Today's version of this speaker would be the Reference 205/2 which run $14k.   Pretty steep climb.

Another real world frame of reference:  I still have my circa 1990 Infinity 9 Kappas in my system. They listed at $3,300.00 in 1990.  After extensive auditioning I'm convinced I would have to spend in the $15K range or better just to equal or marginally surpass their performance.  BTW, the 7B ST in 2001 listed for $5,100.00 a pair.  Today's 7B SST2's are at $10,200.00.  I paid $6,750.00 new from an authorized dealer for the same amps in June of '09.

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Re: Bryston circa 2005...talk about a bargain!
« Reply #7 on: 5 Nov 2011, 02:00 am »
I might not care for the price increases but you still can't beat the 20 year analog warranty.

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Re: Bryston circa 2005...talk about a bargain!
« Reply #8 on: 5 Nov 2011, 02:09 am »
Another real world frame of reference:  I still have my circa 1990 Infinity 9 Kappas in my system. They listed at $3,300.00 in 1990.  After extensive auditioning I'm convinced I would have to spend in the $15K range or better just to equal or marginally surpass their performance.  BTW, the 7B ST in 2001 listed for $5,100.00 a pair.  Today's 7B SST2's are at $10,200.00.  I paid $6,750.00 new from an authorized dealer for the same amps in June of '09.
I had a pair of Infinity RS 8 Kappas purchased around that same time, I believe I paid $2,000 for them. That was the beginning of me getting into hi-end audio because my receiver was running real hot trying to drive them. It was time to move on to seperates.
I later purchased a pair of Dunlavy SC-IV's $6,800. I can't imagine what they would sell for now if purchased brand new. I gave my Kappa 8's to a friend...a very nice speaker. When I picked up the Dunlavy's I was also choosing between the Infinity IRS Sigma, B&W 801's and I believe the Thiel CS7.2's. It sure was fun auditioning all those and more at the time. I believe they were all in the $6-10k range.

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« Reply #9 on: 5 Nov 2011, 08:31 am »
Funny how electronics are priced. Advancement in technology has allowed computer prices to fall but hi end audio equipment keeps going up, up, up.

I think, one aspect regarding the "electronics" market is that it is not a single market. Even if you look at consumer electronics, there are at least two segments, namely volume vs. high end market.

To play in the volume market, you have to focus on meeting certain price points and your products have to meet certain expectations feature wise. Otherwise you won't be able to reach the economies of scale you need to meet the price points. The volume market is also dominated by the internet and discount stores. They drive prices down so that they majority of consumers believe that one does not need to spend more than a couple of hundred bucks to get a decent x.1 surround sound package. My personal experience with the dropping prices in audio equipment is that there appears to be nothing that you can't make cheaper and an even lower quality. A number of those volume oriented companies barely survived the storm and the formerly strong mid-fi market has thinned.

On the other side of the spectrum, there are the high end companies. They have to survive on lower quantities. Therefore development cost per sold unit cannot be driven down a lot and you have to focus on products, where experience and attention to detail are more important than huge numbers of engineers that tackle the most recent DTS, Dolby, THX, Audyssey or whatever idea to be the first with the new feature, no matter if the feature is worth it. One way to cope with new technology is to outsource things to a supplier that can acchieve the scales needed. Bryston has done so with its surround processors by using the digital audio engines from Momentum Data Systems and having them modified or with the "sound card" in the BDP-1.

Another Bryston specific aspect is they way they build the equipment. Having each component built by hand in Canada doesn't give you the freedom to move from country to country, wherever labor is cheapest.

These might only be a select number of reasons why the price gap between the mass market and high end gear has been increasing over the years and will do so in the future. The price drop in the mass market has all too often been accompanied by a drop of sound quality which isn't an option for Bryston, thank God.

The survival of Bryston in turbulent times shows that their business model works - or would you want a Bryston amp on a single chip...  :wink:

Cheers

Markus

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Re: Bryston circa 2005...talk about a bargain!
« Reply #10 on: 5 Nov 2011, 11:24 am »
  Well said........... :thankyou:

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« Reply #11 on: 6 Nov 2011, 05:03 pm »
good input, Markus! :wink:

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