Which Web TV interface device?

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Which Web TV interface device?
« on: 4 Nov 2011, 08:39 pm »
Looking to get into a web device for my living room system. 

Finalists

WD TV Live - seems easy to use, has a lot of good services available. Option to do the Live Hub with storage and stream to other WD TV boxes

Boxee - compatible with Amazon. Not as many service choices - slick remote.  Can stream from iPad.  No Hulu support

Roku Box - Motion remote for gaming, lots of positive reviews as the best interface (outside apple but I'm not considering apple due to channel restrictions)  Good selection of services.

Anyone have experience with one or more of these care to share? 

TIA

Bryan

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #1 on: 4 Nov 2011, 09:46 pm »
There are another couple of options to consider. Firstly googletv. This comes with a bluray player.
The second is Sonys SMP-N200. I have no experience with either but the Sony looks like it has some neat features.

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #2 on: 4 Nov 2011, 10:17 pm »
Look at any new blu-ray player, most have several options for services.   

Folks have actually purchased a google TV?  I thought the reviews helped Google and Sony realize it wasn't ready.

Still a ways off, but expect your tablet/computers to have the ability to mirror it's display wireless to your TV. ATV w/airplay is cute, but nothing more than that.

If you mean Web TV as a TV to view webpages, just use a computer, web moves too fast for web-enabled devices to properly display a webpage... 

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #3 on: 4 Nov 2011, 10:28 pm »
A few questions to get some more info -

1) Do you need netflix streaming?
2) Will you need to stream stuff off of your home network?
3) Do you need hulu, amazon on demand, Vudu
4) Do you have a price range

Some comparison charts -
http://thedigitalmediazone.com/2011/06/08/media-streaming-device-comparison/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000618671
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_set-top_boxes

Like mentioned alot of DVD Players support alot of the on line stuff just depends on what you are after. I believe the Roku offers the most streaming options http://www.roku.com/roku-channel-store

To even add more you could buy say the wdtv live and buy Playon software for your PC which even would add more channels.

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #4 on: 4 Nov 2011, 10:36 pm »
I use my HDMI connections from laptop to Samgung TV for video. Then use my laptop/USB to my DAC for audio..it's just for general everyday stuff.

If I want a better pic I go with my Sony Blue-ray player for movies.


Not the most awesome setup, but works pretty good..

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #5 on: 4 Nov 2011, 11:17 pm »
Bryan,

Come on over to my place and check out the Logitech Revue (cards tomorrow?). Last I heard it is under $100 at BB. Does everything you are looking for and then some.

Gimme a buzz :thumb:

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #6 on: 5 Nov 2011, 01:14 pm »
A few questions to get some more info -

1) Do you need netflix streaming?
2) Will you need to stream stuff off of your home network?
3) Do you need hulu, amazon on demand, Vudu
4) Do you have a price range

Some comparison charts -
http://thedigitalmediazone.com/2011/06/08/media-streaming-device-comparison/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000618671
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_set-top_boxes

Like mentioned alot of DVD Players support alot of the on line stuff just depends on what you are after. I believe the Roku offers the most streaming options http://www.roku.com/roku-channel-store

To even add more you could buy say the wdtv live and buy Playon software for your PC which even would add more channels.

Thanks for the comparison links

1) Do you need netflix streaming? - YES
2) Will you need to stream stuff off of your home network? - POSSIBLY
3) Do you need hulu, amazon on demand, Vudu - YES
4) Do you have a price range - Not really but for what I can get for a couple hundred, would have to be pretty slick to spend much more


I really don't want another player. Already have an Oppo BDP 83.  Can't see spending $500 on a 93 or $1k on a 95 when all I really want to add is the network streaming, Netflix, hulu, etc.  And for those thinking "gee, just move that to another room and get a new one" - I already have a 971 and 2 983's

Keep it coming!

Bryan

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #7 on: 5 Nov 2011, 01:16 pm »
Bryan,

Come on over to my place and check out the Logitech Revue (cards tomorrow?). Last I heard it is under $100 at BB. Does everything you are looking for and then some.

Gimme a buzz :thumb:

Maybe next week some time.  Sue is out at the craft fairs all day and I have a date with some honey-dos today and Alabama vs LSU tonight at Joes....

I'll check into it though.

Bryan

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #8 on: 5 Nov 2011, 01:22 pm »
We have the newer Apple TV which is extremely user friendly but as it doesn't do Hulu , my wife sent me out to get a Roku. Best Buy was out of the Rokus so I bought a Sony SMP-N100. While it does everything my wife wanted, it's not as user friendly as the Apple.
For features, the nod goes to Sony. For user ease, the Apple hands down. Don't ask about picture quality because they are used on different monitors and I don't pay attention.

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #9 on: 5 Nov 2011, 03:16 pm »
A few things off the top of my head -
Appletv - only 720p, only plays certain formats unless you jailbreak it(hack it).

WDTV Life Plus - I give this as an example as I use it. Can be hacked to give it a better layout with video etc. Handles almost any file format you throw at it. Does Netflix, Pandora etc. No vudu, hulu on the hacked side as of right now.

You may want to think about the Boxee Box - you could give it a test run ahead of time by installed the software on your PC to see ifyou like it.

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #10 on: 5 Nov 2011, 03:35 pm »
The one other 'app' I'd like to have is Flingo (I think). There are some past TV shows that only are available on PC that I'd like to be able to 'fling' to the TV.

The WD box supports it.

Seems like the Logitech Revue via Google.TV would allow it.

The Roku doesn't list it - not sure if there's a way around it.

Boxee - not sure on this one.

Thanks for all the input.

Bryan

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #12 on: 6 Nov 2011, 02:00 pm »
This is the unit I have on my wish list! Once I get my new projector in, I'll be buying one!
This unit is loaded with features and plays pretty much any format! Not affiliated with the company.
There's another retailer in the UK http://www.futeko.com/products/MP00031.php .

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Himedia-HD900B-3D-Full-HD-1080p-HDMI-1-4-Blu-Ray-ISO-Media-Player-Realtek-1186-/250911344193?pt=Home_Theater_in_a_Box&hash=item3a6b7b4641




Realtek 1186DD-3D Chipset The HiMedia 900B uses the latest Realtek media chipset, released in October 2011. The '1186DD-3D' chipset is an upgrade to the succesful '1185' as used in the HiMedia 600B. The 1186 offers a clock speed increase of 750Mhz vs 500Mhz, HDMI 1.4, the ability to display 1080p frame-packed 3D, and Android dual-boot.
Format Support
Video
RM/RMVB, H.264, VC1, WMV, MPEG 1/2/4, DIVX, XVID, BDMV, BD-ISO, MKV, TS, M2TS, MTS, FLV, AVI, DVD-ISO, VOB, MPG, DAT, ASF, TP, TRP, SWF, 3D-SBS, VCD, DVD, AVCHD, MINIBD, RBD, BD-3D, 3D BD-ISO, FRAME PACKED 3D
Audio
FLAC, APE, LC-AAC, HE-AAC, MP3, OGG, WMA, WAV, AC3, DTS, DTS-HD MA, TRUEHD, CD
Image
JPG, HD JPEG, TIFF, PNG, BMP, GIF
Subtitle
SRT, SUB, IDX+SUB, SSA, SMI

Top Quality Hardware The 900B uses the same brushed aluminium shell as the highly acclaimed 600B. The player looks fantastic and is constructed to a very high standard. The front panel is glass with a VFD display and touch buttons. The player body is brushed aluminium and the internal HDD is accessed by an innovative top hatch.

HDMI 1.4 The latest HDMI 1.4a interface is used, providing the neccesary bandwidth for the delivery of 1080p frame-packed 3D video.

3D. Including Exclusive Frame-Packed Blu-Ray 3D. The HiMedia 900B supports side-by-side (SBS) 3D, top and bottom 3D, and frame-packed (real image size 1920x2160) 3D. The last of these is particularly important as it is used for Blu-Ray video. The 900B can play Blu-Ray ISOs in full 3D exactly as you would get from a Blu-Ray player (BD-Profile 1.0 menus / BD-Lite only). Note that all equipment must be HDMI 1.4 for frame-packed 3D. The HiMedia 900B is currently the only Media Player in the world to support 3D Blu-Ray ISOs.

Android Dual Boot As well as being the most complete Media Player available anywhere, the 900B is equipped to dual boot into the Android operating system. This feature opens up a whole world of new uses via Android Apps. There are 100,000s of Android Apps, covering every possible application. The range and quality of Apps available for Android is a huge improvement on the limited Apps available for some other Media Players.

Extensive Firmware Development HiMedia are a large company with the resources to develop their firmware. Previous player generations have shown that HiMedia consistently offer a higher degree of firmware support than other manufacturers. For example, the HiMedia 900B supports 3D BD-ISO where no other 1186 based player does. Check out our Knowledgebase for a list of official firmware updates.

Massive Connectivity Two USB ports are mounted on the left side, along with an SD card port and and an external SATA port. At the back you have an HDMI 1.4a socket, USB 3.0 slave port, composite video out, component video out, Gigabit LAN port, and both TOSLINK and coaxial S/PDIF digital audio out. Whatever your setup, the 900B will connect to it.

Gigabit LAN The 900B supports 10/100/1000 Gigabit networking. In practical terms this means that you can transfer large file between your network and the player at lightening speeds. The 900B is capable of streaming all video files over the network and sustained transfer rates of at least 14 MB/s.

Internal 300mbps Wi-Fi(n) The 900B comes complete with internal fast Wi-Fi(n), complete with an external antenna for great signal strength.

Comprehensive Networking Support Samba is fully supported both as a client (so you can access Windows networks) and as a host (so you can use the player as a NAS). Performance is much improved on the previous generation and, combined with the lower power usage of the 1185 chipset and the Gigabit LAN, make the 900B a very viable option as a NAS. NFS networking is also supported. The 900B will connect easily to your iPhone, iPad, or Android device by DLNA to allow streaming of your media to your HDTV. UPnP support allows you to stream content easily from popular PC / MAC applications like Windows Media Player + Hulu.

7.1 Channel HD Audio and Lossless FLAC The 900B offers total support for all HD-Audio standards. The 900B will downmix or bitstream DTS, DTS-HD MA, True-HD, AC3/Dolby Digital as either RAW or LPCM, and with 7.1 audio selectively downmixed to 5.1 or left alone. Virtually every digital audio format is supported including very high end audio such as 24bit 192Khz FLAC. The ability to bitstream ultra high quality formats make the 900B comparable in audio performance to audio Media Players costing £1,000s.

Mouse and Keyboard The 900B supports nearly all USB mice and keyboards as well as most Bluetooth mice and keyboards (USB bluetooth dongle required).

DVD and Blu-Ray ISO DVD ISO files (DVD backups) will play exactly the same as the original disc with full menus. Blu-Ray ISO images will play as the original disc for Blu-Ray profile 1.0 discs (those without BD-Live) or will play with a custom internal menu (BD Lite) for all the rest. The custom menu gives full access to all subtitle / language / chapter options.

External DVD and Blu-Ray Drive The HiMedia 900B supports an attached SATA DVD or Blu-Ray drive and will allow original discs to be played. DVD discs or ISOs will play with full original menus as if you were using a DVD player, whilst Blu-Ray discs or ISOs will play with either BD Profile 1.0 menus if supported or a custom internal menu (BD Lite) for all other discs.

HDD Spindown You can optionally set the internal HDD to power down after a defined number of minutes. This saves power and prolongs the life of your drive.

Web Services, Youtube XL, Web Browser Web services include Youtube XL, Youtube, Picasa, Yahoo Weather, Flikr, Facebook, Yahoo Finance, video podcasts. etc. The web browser is quick to access and in loading pages. It is good for browsing simple websites like Facebook, Twitter, and news sites on your TV. The browser currently requires the use of a mouse and preferably a keyboard.

Comprehensive Subtitle Options Subtitle options are vast, with the 900B adding an auto subtitle language detection mode as well as custom subtitle fonts. The rest of the subtitle system is based on the Casablanca interface so you get comprehensive subtitle size, colour, positioning, and delay settings. All European languages are fully supported including the special characters used in Danish, Norwegian, Portuguese, French, Swedish, Greek, Romanian, Bulgarian, Russian, Hebrew.. etc.

Photo Browser You can browse photos according to directory or let the player index for sort/search. All popular formats are supported with no practical limit to images size. There are a huge range of photo transitions, music can be selected to play in the background of a slideshow, and zoom/pan are smooth and fast.
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Model   HD900B
Release Date   October 2011
Brand Country   China
Max Resolution   1080p [Full-HD]
Chipset Manufacturer   Realtek
Chipset Family   Realtek 1xx6 (2011)
Chipset Model   Realtek 1186
Chipset Mhz   750
Memory    512MB DDR 4Gbit Flash
Operating System   Realtek / Android
User Interface   
Internal HDD   3.5" SATA
HDD Num   1
USB (Host)   2
USB (Slave)   1
USB Version   2.0 / 3.0
SD   1
eSATA   
Other Storage   External SATA
File Systems   FAT, EXT3, NTFS
UPnP   Yes
DLNA   Yes
Network Protocols   Samba, NFS
Wired Network   Gigabit Ethernet
Wireless Network   Wi-Fi(n)
HDMI   1
Component Video   1
Composite Video   1
HDMI Version   1.4a
Audio/Video Other   
Stereo L/R Audio   1
S/PDIF TOSLink   1
S/PDIF Coaxial   1
AV Recording   
AV Inputs   
Video Formats (Codecs)   RM/RMVB, H.264, VC1, WMV, MPEG 1/2/4, DIVX, XVID
Video Extensions (Containers)   BD-ISO, MKV, TS, M2TS, MTS, FLV, AVI, DVD-ISO, VOB, MPG, DAT, ASF, TP, TRP
Audio Formats (Codecs)   LPCM, APE, FLAC, MP3, OGG, WMA, WAV
Audio Extensions (Containers)   
Image Formats   JPG, TIFF, PNG, BMP, GIF
Subtitle Formats   PGS, SRT, SUB, IDX+SUB, SSA, SMI
3D SBS   Yes
3D Top Bottom   Yes
3D Frame Packing   Yes
3D Frame Sequential   No
Blu-Ray 3D   Yes
DVD ISO   Yes (original menus)
Blu-Ray ISO   Yes. BD Profile 1 + BD-Lite
Dolby Digital Downmix   Yes
Dolby Digital Passthrough   Yes
Dolby Digital Plus Downmix   Yes
Dolby Digital Plus Passthrough   Yes
Dolby TrueHD Downmix   Yes
Dolby TrueHD Passthrough   Yes
DTS Downmix   Yes
DTS Passthrough   Yes
DTS-HD HR Downmix   Yes
DTS-HD HR Passthrough   Yes
DTS-HD MA Downmix   Yes
DTS-HD MA Passthrough   Yes
Internet Radio   Shoutcast
Web Services   Loads
On-Demand USA   
On-Demand UK   
On-Demand Other   
Bittorrent   Yes
Web Browser   Yes
Browser Detail   HTML 5, Flash
Flash   Yes
DVB-T   
DVB-T2   
Fan   Yes
Front LCD   Yes
Power   12V 3A
Power Usage Standby   
W (mm)   226
D (mm)   180
H (mm)   50
Weight (kg)   1.50
W (inches)   8.9
D (inches)   7.1
H (inches)   2.0
Weight (lb)   3.30




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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #13 on: 7 Nov 2011, 01:18 pm »
That certainly looks interesting though not a lot of 'layman' information as far as what it will do out of the box. I'm pretty good with computers and networking though a novice with streaming devices like this (video) and all of the add-ins, formats for ripping, etc.

Bryan

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #14 on: 14 Nov 2011, 01:07 am »
I've become pretty addicted to streaming over the last year. I LOVE my little Roku box...I use it all the time. My only complaint about it is that it doesn't have what has become my new favorite streaming service - Vudu. That's okay, though, because my Oppo 93 streams VUDU just fine. I'm very impressed with both the image and sound quality of my vudu streams over my 12meg cable modem.

I have also had great success with Amazon streams. It's been very hard for me, cause I literally have been a 100% loyal Netflix customer since 2001, but they have forced me to look elsewhere for 1080p streaming and new releases. They are a sinking ship, as far as I'm concerned, so I'm getting out ahead of the capsizing.

But I think for $50 or whatever they charge for the Roku, there's no WAY  you won't get your money out of it. The thing has a wonderfully simple interface, it has never had any trouble staying connected to my wireless network (both with DSL and the cable modem), and the quality of the streams is very good.

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Re: Which Web TV interface device?
« Reply #15 on: 14 Jan 2012, 10:42 pm »
Hi Bryan,

Hope you are doing well.  I haven't seen you since the last AK Fest.  Plan on seeing you at this one!

I am curious to know what you decided and how it is working out for you.

I am in the same boat and want to try do as much research as possible before deciding.

Take care,

Nick