Stupid me ! Careless me !

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Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #20 on: 4 May 2013, 12:56 pm »
Do not fear the Vista!     :lol:

I'm a hardcore tube guy myself, and I happily listened to the Vista for several years.  It is EXCELLENT!       :thumb:  It's not shouty, hard, edgy, bright or like typical cheap SS in any way.  Dynamic and fast, smooth and musical, good inner detail.

Never heard the Bellari, but I'd still bet the Vista beats it.  I believe I've come across that comparo several times on the audio boards, and Vista comes out ahead.

Hi sunnydaze and all Audio Circle members.
I went to Vista website and I have to admit that this tiny little thing is surprising
with all it's features and configurations.
On top of that:
Made in USA and affordable.
I did not see on Vista website any thing about 15-30 days in home trial period ? ? ?
Of course if I can re-tip my Rega Exact for 150 USD or find a similar cartridge (Maybe Grado Black) for less than 100 USD, I might go that way, since I have now reduce revenues.
But, I keep in mind that Vista option.
I might switch from tubes to ss.
Like they say: Only crazy people don't change their mind.

Guy 13

Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #21 on: 4 May 2013, 01:02 pm »
Guy:

Let me get this straight: the TT is packed away until next year? You'll be spinning records again next year?

Paul

Hi Paul and all Audio Circle members.
Yes, you are wright.
My Rega turntable, my Bellari phono and my Decware amplifier are all well packed
and ready to go.
And yes, I will be spinning LP only next year
or maybe even this year if I can win the lottery to accelerate my return home process.
For now, I am using my Niteshade Audio amplifier with my Rega Apollo CD player
and my V1 and V2 GR Research speakers.
So, it's not like I cannot enjoy anymore hi-fidelity music.

Guy 13

Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #22 on: 4 May 2013, 01:13 pm »
Guy 13

I am basically a tube guy myself, except in phono stages.  The only quiet tube phono stage I have found are the ones by Music Reference.  I currently run the Vista into a SS preamp and then to a tube amp and get the best of both worlds.  From my experience too many tube units stacked one after the other  can lead to a lot of unwanted noise.  The Vista gives you almost limitless flexibility for loading and gain and if you need lower capacitance have Boris build your unit with lower values like I did. 

As to the Grado's, I would just order a basic Black unit and then order the 8MZ stylus, which is superior to the stylus in the Gold.  Needle Doctor and LP Gear are the only dealers for the 8MZ stylus.   This way you have a great cartridge stylus combo and a spare stylus for less than your budget.

Jack


Hi JackD (Jr Member) and all Audio Circle members.
Yes, the Jr member is to tease you…
The two amplifiers that I can and may use with my turntable are integrate, but they both needs 2 volts to squeeze the full potential out of them.
I can do it with my Rega Exact (5-7mv) and the Bellari, minds you, my Bellari (VP-129) is dialed between two and three O’clock, but I am satisfied with the sound.
The Vista can be configured for many different type of cartridge, which is an advantage, since I still have my brand new Benz Micro Gold, if something ever happen again to the cartridge that I will have.
I am gathering information to take a wise decision, because that might be my last audio purchase for a long time or even for the last time.
What is the 8MZ stylus?
I’ve look everywhere and did not see/find any information on that stylus.
Can you give me a link?
Thanks for your information and comments, it’s highly appreciated.

Guy 13
 

sunnydaze

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #23 on: 4 May 2013, 02:14 pm »
Vista Audio has a circle here.  See all the comments, and comparos to other budget phono stages.  Boris lives local to me, been to his house a few times.  One of the nicer guys in audio.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=123.0

tomytoons

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Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #24 on: 4 May 2013, 02:20 pm »
Well your Benz Micro Gold could be configured on the Vista and would sound excellent I'm sure of it.
Everything I have thrown at the Vista Phono is nice, nice, nice!
I doubt very much you would be sending it back.

I have read the Bellari is prone to noise too, and we all know Grado's humm.
The Bellari is not exactly the "tube" sound.
I had a Grado Platinum Ref on my P5, and yup it hummed.
It sounded pretty much exactly like an SAE 1000e that was completely quiet.
Grado's hum is so bad there is a data base on Audio Karma that list the tables Grado cartridge combinations that do hum.

Oh, ALWAYS use the stylus covers :thumb:

Wayner

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #25 on: 4 May 2013, 03:50 pm »
Don't worry, most all of us have done something stupid with a cartridge.  They're so delicate it's easy to make a mistake in handling.

I would suggest one of the Grado Prestige models.  You can pick any price you want to, they just go up in refinement as the price goes up, the basic sound is the same.  And you can upgrade at any time by purchasing a stylus assembly a few models higher, they're interchangeable.

It will hum on a P3.

Wayner

WireNut

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #26 on: 4 May 2013, 07:17 pm »
Grado hum database on Audio Karma. No registration needed to view it.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=209233




Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #27 on: 5 May 2013, 12:19 am »
Vista Audio has a circle here.  See all the comments, and comparos to other budget phono stages.  Boris lives local to me, been to his house a few times.  One of the nicer guys in audio.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=123.0
Hi sunnydaze and all Audio Circle members.
Thanks for the link,
it's just to show how much information there is within the
Audio Circle forum.
I have some reading to do, should keep me busy.

Guy 13

Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #28 on: 5 May 2013, 12:29 am »
Well your Benz Micro Gold could be configured on the Vista and would sound excellent I'm sure of it.
Everything I have thrown at the Vista Phono is nice, nice, nice!
I doubt very much you would be sending it back.

I have read the Bellari is prone to noise too, and we all know Grado's humm.
The Bellari is not exactly the "tube" sound.
I had a Grado Platinum Ref on my P5, and yup it hummed.
It sounded pretty much exactly like an SAE 1000e that was completely quiet.
Grado's hum is so bad there is a data base on Audio Karma that list the tables Grado cartridge combinations that do hum.

Oh, ALWAYS use the stylus covers :thumb:

Hi tomytoons and all Audio Circle members.
I want to keep my Benz Micro Gold cartridge as a spare,
because if I sell it, I would only get maybe 50% of what I paid for it.
I also think that it's not a bad cartridge
and if I use it with the Vista it should be a great combo.
With my Rega Exact mm cartridge at 5-7mv, I have no Hum problem
what so ever.
That's why I will investigate on the price of re-tipping it.
As for the inexpensive Grado Black, if there is a hum problem with the P3,
I will forget about that purchase.
Now !
First, once back in Canada, I will found out about re-tipping my Rega Exact.
If too expensive or not possible, I might go with the combo Benz Micro Gold and the Vista phono pre-amp.
My budget would be between 150 USD and 300 USD (Maximum.)
Thanks for your advice, I have now a better idea of what I want to do.
Now, it's less depressing...

Guy 13

 

Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #29 on: 5 May 2013, 12:31 am »
Grado hum database on Audio Karma. No registration needed to view it.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=209233

Hi WireNut and all Audio Circle members.
Regardless of how good and how inexpensive the Grado Black is,
if you have hum, that's not a good investment.
Thanks for the link, it's very informative.

Guy 13

Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #30 on: 5 May 2013, 12:39 am »
It will hum on a P3.

Wayner
Hi Wayner and all Audio Circle members.
I hate hum...
I have a ground problem in our new house
and my wife cannot ask the contractor to come back
and fix it, because she's sue him for something he did not do and he was supposed to do when he built the house
and that's worth about 25,000 USD.
Also, it's very difficult to fix any electrical problem,
since all the wires are buried in concrete walls.
That means they would have to break the wall...
With all the inconvenient it brings.
Therefore, I have to live with that hum problem,
until I go back to Canada.

Guy 13

Wayner

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #31 on: 5 May 2013, 05:07 pm »
Guy,

The hum is caused by the unshielded motor of the P3. I know because I owned one and the combo just does not work. I too hate hum. I suggest you look at a Ortofon red or blue or maybe even an AT440MLa. they will work nicely with the RB300 arm and not hum at all.

Of course Rega sells their own branded cartridges like the Bias or Elys 2.

The Ortofon 2M red is only $99 and has gotten some good press/awards.

Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #32 on: 6 May 2013, 08:53 am »
Guy,

The hum is caused by the unshielded motor of the P3. I know because I owned one and the combo just does not work. I too hate hum. I suggest you look at a Ortofon red or blue or maybe even an AT440MLa. they will work nicely with the RB300 arm and not hum at all.

Of course Rega sells their own branded cartridges like the Bias or Elys 2.

The Ortofon 2M red is only $99 and has gotten some good press/awards.


Hi Wayner and all Audio Circle members.
With my Rega P3 and the Rega Exact MM cartridge,
I don’t have/did not have any hum.
On the Rega P3 turntable there is no ground connector or wire.
I don’t have hum, but I do have a very faint radio station when all volume controls are turned to maximum, but at normal listening level, nothing.
When I had the original PS-12 (220V – 12VAC) dedicated wall wart adaptor from Bellari, I did not have the radio interference problem, but now I have a cheap transformer in a DIY wooden box.
(Lost the original adaptor in one of my several moving around the world.).
When I will be back in Canada, I will order the original adaptor from the local Bellari dealer, it’s only 25 USD.
Now, for your suggestion for the Ortofon 2M Red at 99$
(Needle Doctor Price) that’s a good suggestion, because the output is 5.5mv and this is compatible with the Bellari.
(Rega Exact is/was 5-7mv.)
However, the replacement stylus is 83 USD, that’s a little high, but if I stop packing and unpacking, nothing should happen to the cartridge and it should last until I pass away…
Now, for the Ortofon Blue 2M at 225 USD, that’s a budget breaker for me and the replacement stylus, is 194 USD (86% of the total price of a new cartridge) I will pass for the 2M blue.
The AT440MLa is not within my budget.
Too bad, look like a nice cartridge.
I still have the option of re-tipping the Rega Exact, I will enquire to see how much they will charge me, if it’s 150 USD; I might go for that option.
I also have the option of my Benz Micro Gold that I have somewhere in one of my zillion boxes.
For the Vista phono pre-amp, that look like a good up-grade,
but for now, I will have to keep that option in the back of my head.
I might up-grade the vacuum tube of the Bellari.
I have now the stock tube that came with the unit,
since it’s not a very expensive up-grade,
I might go for a Tung Sol or Mullard 12AX7,
but I will see when times come.
Well that’s about all, thanks for all the suggestions,
I think my stupid mistake won’t cost me as much as I first thought.
What a relief, but still have to reach for the bottom of my pocket.

Guy 13

 
 


Wayner

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #33 on: 6 May 2013, 11:43 am »
The P3 actually does have a grounding wire, It's built into one of the interconnect cables (I remember it on the left one). Anyway if you examine your interconnect cable, you will notice that one of them has another, thin wire along side of it. That is the ground wire and it attaches internally to the RCA shield connector.

Wayner

Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #34 on: 6 May 2013, 11:56 am »
The P3 actually does have a grounding wire, It's built into one of the interconnect cables (I remember it on the left one). Anyway if you examine your interconnect cable, you will notice that one of them has another, thin wire along side of it. That is the ground wire and it attaches internally to the RCA shield connector.

Wayner
Hi Wayner and all Audio Circle members.
I will put on my reading glasses and look very carefully
and I will confirm about my findings, not that I don't believe you,
but... :roll:

Guy 13

Wayner

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #35 on: 6 May 2013, 12:32 pm »
I just looked at my RB-300 arm. The arm is grounded in the arm structure, so you will not see a wire (I confused it with a couple of other tables), but nonetheless if you take a DMM to the arm metal and your preamp, you will get ground continuity, as the ground is connected to one of the channels RCA shields (like an AR table).

Wayner

Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #36 on: 6 May 2013, 01:32 pm »
I just looked at my RB-300 arm. The arm is grounded in the arm structure, so you will not see a wire (I confused it with a couple of other tables), but nonetheless if you take a DMM to the arm metal and your preamp, you will get ground continuity, as the ground is connected to one of the channels RCA shields (like an AR table).

Wayner
Hi Wayner and all Audio Circle members.
The more I look at my Rega P3, the more I think I did not get my money's worth with that turntable.
Everything with that turntable look like Rega only wanted to cut corners to make as much as possible profit.
It's definitely not worth the 695 USD (+595 USD for the Exact MM cartridge)
I paid for.
But, now I have it, so I will keep it, if I sell it, I will loose too much money.
Thanks for the info on the ground wire,
I am still looking for my reading glasses. :lol:

Guy 13

Guy 13

Re: Stupid me ! Careless me !
« Reply #37 on: 7 May 2013, 10:46 am »
I just looked at my RB-300 arm. The arm is grounded in the arm structure, so you will not see a wire (I confused it with a couple of other tables), but nonetheless if you take a DMM to the arm metal and your preamp, you will get ground continuity, as the ground is connected to one of the channels RCA shields (like an AR table).

Wayner
Hi Wayner and all Audio Circle members.
I finally found my reading glasses and had a look at my Rega tonearm.
It's clearly written on it: RB301 not a RB300.
No (Small or big) ground wire to be found anywhere on the arm and on the interconnects.
I am really disapointed with that Rega P3 turntable.
If I had to buy a new turntable, I would buy the VPI Scout.
But I have no (Big) money (For now) to invest in audio stuff.

Guy 13