Audiophile Wall Outlets

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« Reply #40 on: 9 Aug 2010, 04:10 pm »
Does anyone have the latest, up to date chart on which plating types sound better then others? I lost mine and now I feel my next purchase may have the wrong plating materials used. More wasted money.

Wayner

Damn - I'd like to see that as well.

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« Reply #41 on: 9 Aug 2010, 04:13 pm »
Hey Werd this is what I found:

" They are subject to special requirements contained in Medical equipment standards"

  My logic tells me there is some really expensive equipment monitoring the most important thing in the world > our health. So makes sense not to cut corners with cheap contractor grade outlets, etc.

Thanks Berto

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« Reply #42 on: 9 Aug 2010, 04:22 pm »
:scratch: Just wondering why hospitals use hospital grade outlets and not your lowly home depot types?. Because they do.... even in the waiting rooms.

If I understand correctly, the reason is that they don't create a spark when plugging and unplugging.  A spark could be bad news in a room filled with canisters of O2. :bomb:

srb

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« Reply #43 on: 9 Aug 2010, 04:22 pm »
:scratch: Just wondering why hospitals use hospital grade outlets and not your lowly home depot types?. Because they do.... even in the waiting rooms.

The NEC requires hospital grade receptacles be installed in patient bed or procedure locations.  It is classified as hospital grade because of its greater contact tension.  The purpose is to prevent plugs on medical equipment and life support equipment from accidentally being pulled out of the receptacle, as well as to maintain a superior ground connection.
 
There is generally no requirement to have them in other non-patient procedural areas.  If these receptacles are installed in these areas, it is likely due to liability concerns.  It is possible that extreme disasters or catastrophes would necessitate additional patients being located in non-patient designated areas.  In other cases, local codes may add this requirement to the national codes.
 
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Re: Audiophile Wall Outlets
« Reply #44 on: 9 Aug 2010, 05:03 pm »

The NEC requires hospital grade receptacles be installed in patient bed or procedure locations.  It is classified as hospital grade because of its greater contact tension.  The purpose is to prevent plugs on medical equipment and life support equipment from accidentally being pulled out of the receptacle, as well as to maintain a superior ground connection.
 
There is generally no requirement to have them in other non-patient precedural areas.  If these receptacles are installed in these areas, it is likely due to liability concerns.  It is possible that extreme disasters or catastrophes would necessitate additional patients being located in non-patient designated areas.  In other cases, local codes may add this requirement to the national codes.
 
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« Reply #45 on: 9 Aug 2010, 06:00 pm »
Regardless of the audiophile nature of cheap outlets, I would never put the cheap, "contractor grade" outlets in my house, period.  I buy only "pro" grade (or commercial grade) stuff for the house.  There are reasons the "contractor grade" outlets are so cheap -- they're crap. Plus, the pro/commercial grade outlets tend to be easier to connect. 

I do the same with light switches; I only use pro/commercial grade light switches.  Just compare a contractor grade and commercial grade switch, and you can easily see the differences.

I have four sets of cryoed, hospital grade outlets in my house for two different systems.  I have not ever been in a position to test to see if there's a difference between these and pro/commercial outlets, but the cost increase (for the outlets I buy) isn't substantial enough to worry about.

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« Reply #46 on: 9 Aug 2010, 06:13 pm »
"Contractor Grade" and "Builder Grade" products are giving a bad name to Contractors and Builders!
 
I managed a website "planroom" for commercial builders and homebuilders to post their plans and documents.  During this bad economy, I would regularly post cost-reduction documents that enabled them to lower the price of their home models.
 
From doorknobs to doorbells to 1-coat stucco replacing previous 3-coat stucco.  Have you seen the chrome-plated plastic faucet sets?
 
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« Reply #47 on: 9 Aug 2010, 06:30 pm »
I believe the "tweakers choice" on outlets have always been the Pass & Seymore and/or Hubbel hospital grade outlets. There's lots of info on these choices & models if you search over at AudioAsylum. Certain models use nickel, but others are brass, some even brass through and through (these are the ones you want).

All of them come in under $20 and grip like a monkey on steriods.

Enjoy,
Bob

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« Reply #48 on: 10 Aug 2010, 02:33 am »
I spent some considerable time about 8 years ago experimenting with receptacles. I was into cheap tweaks at the time, had young kids and didn't leave the house much :lol:

I experimented with a number of brands: Pass and Seymour, Arrow Hart, Hubbell, Bryant, Leviton just to name a few. It was surprising to me just how much of a sonic signature a receptacle can have.

In the end I setlled on Hubbells (I did pay $55 for a cryoed Hubbell 5362 from Audio Excellence around that time which I still have in use) and the Hubbell 8200H and 5262 would be my recommendation for someone looking at experimenting with a relatively cheap receptacle (ie. under $20).

I have heard recently though that the 8200H is no longer being built to the same specs it was when I acquired mine so all bets may be off on that one. The 8200H's that I have are a slim line hospital grade but with no plating on the contacts. Generally speaking, my preference would be to avoid most hospital grades, at least those with nickel plated contacts (and that is most of them) as the nickel is not particularly conductive and tends to impart a somewhat bright, splashy quality to the sound IMO.

The 8200H was the basis for the "Porter Port" which was/is simply a cryoed version of this receptacle. I did a lot of experimentation with both cryoed and non-cryoed versions when I did it and cryoed is IMO the way to go. I found it interesting that John/The Chair Guy did not hear much difference between the Porter Port and the other receptacle he used; I would probably attribute that to the fact that a cryoed receptacle has a relatively long burn in period (pushing a month) and will not sound partiuclarly great out of the box. John: if you want to do a cheap experiment now, if you are still using the Porter Port (which should be fully broken in), I would take it out and slot in another quality but non-croyed receptacle and see if you still had the same feeling.

With cryoed receptacles in particular I would never even slot them into a system without first running something like a fridge or chest freezer on each half of the receptacle for at least 8-10 days. After that, you'll know what you have and differences should be really (and I mean really) apparent.

The other problem with receptacles is that their effect is cumulative. In other words, if your system runs off more than one recptacle, you won't really hear what any particular brand of receptacle is really doing unless you replace all receptacles (including those in power conditioners, power bars, etc) with the same brand. Not many people do this because it is such a pain in the ass.


In the end, receptacles can be a lot like cables-if you hear differences in cables you may very well hear some significant differences with receptacles if you're up to trying a few. I was no a fan of the Pass and Seymours when I tried them as I found them to be pretty aggressive and hyped; they had a very forward midrange and IMO a splashy treble that might sound like detail to some. But, as I say, they definitely sound different and this is a subjective hobby: what somme feel is "detailed" others feel is aggressive or etched. Then you have system synergies that come into play as well.

I haven't felt a need to change to more expensive receptacles and I know of some users of the Porter Port who have preferred it to some of the more expensive audiophile boutique receptacles, feeling that it sounds more natural. So I'm comfortable sticking with my home made Porter Ports (older model 8200H's that I've had cryoed personally). I wouldn't begrudge anyone buying some of the more expensive models; it's just that it can be somewhat like purchasing cables-what works in one system and for one set of ears may not do it in another and then you're on the receptacle merry go round :icon_lol:

For anyone interested in reading a technical explanation as to why receptacles can make a difference this post from Grant Samuelson of Shunyata at Audiogon (near the bottom of the page) recently caught my eye and seemed to have some merit:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ymisc&1278509098&read&keyw&receptacle+grant&&st0

In the end though, I listen with my ears and make my decisions based on what I hear. I could care less if it is "unexplainable".

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Re: Audiophile Wall Outlets
« Reply #49 on: 12 Aug 2010, 12:00 am »
  It took about 40 days for my porter ports to settle-in really good and sound their best and the way its looking with the.. maestro outlets it might take even longer than that for them to sound their best.

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« Reply #50 on: 12 Aug 2010, 01:24 am »
 I have a porter port and really like it. Found a Jenna (also cryoed) for 1/2 price so fig it was worth a shot. Unfotunatley unlike tubes and cables, my outlets are not very accessible, so rolling outlets is not a simple task.

 At first I told myself I made a mistake, but the Jenna is growing on me in leaps and bounds. Without switching back to the porter I can without hesitation sat they both have there own sound/strengths. Porter seems more live sounding, closer to the stage, more visceral, esp on flatter recordings. The jenna is more laid back, but more natural sounding and more open sounding.

  Im gonna live w/the jenna for a few more days and then switch back to the porter for final conclusions. I think I could be happy with either since my recordings vary so much and both outlets shine on different music.

 My take so far between the two would be: on very good recordings , nod would go to Jenna. On some good recordings I thought my phone was ringing or there was something outside my room, I was def impressed.  But since im a big live music guy the porter did seem to bring the band more into the room and provided more energy. Hard to put this into words and depending upon taste they are both very good!

 I will draw my final conclusions over the weekend.

Berto

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« Reply #51 on: 16 Aug 2010, 11:54 pm »
Fast fwd lil bit and the Porter is back in. Not to say its better as the Jenna is definitely more revealing IMO. The porter has a more forward sounding/you are there presentation IMO, that fwd sound puts me much closer to the music. Jenna although spooky transparent is more laid back in my system, a lil too much for my taste.

Im keeping the Jenna as perhaps one day I can put the source on it and amps on the porter for best of both worlds (or visa versa)

If anyone has an extra Tesla plex they would like to sell , please contact me as that is the next outlet I would love to hear. Amazing how much an outlet can change the sound of ones system.

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Re: Audiophile Wall Outlets
« Reply #52 on: 17 Aug 2010, 12:23 am »
For all my grouching I went ahead and bought a pair of Pass & Seymour 8300wMRI cryo'ed. I just could no longer stand the tidal wave of pressure from my inner Audiophile.
So I got them (the pair) for $68 shipped. I have them in my hot little hands...
Maybe I'll stick one in and see if the sky splits open...
They actually feel heavier than a normal outlet. 'Heavier' is always a good sign.

srb

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« Reply #53 on: 17 Aug 2010, 12:56 am »
They actually feel heavier than a normal outlet. 'Heavier' is always a good sign.

Unless the copper or brass contacts have been replaced with lead contacts.
 
Steve