Does it Matter?

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bprice2

Does it Matter?
« on: 29 Mar 2008, 04:37 pm »
I have a pair of Omega Super 3 Bipoles which I use in dipole configuration.  I also have a modded SB which causes phase to be inverted.  Given this set up, does it matter whether or not I correct for phase inversion?

hmen

Re: Does it Matter?
« Reply #1 on: 29 Mar 2008, 05:19 pm »
I'm sure it would matter to somebody but I'd just try it both ways and go with what sounds best to me.

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Re: Does it Matter?
« Reply #2 on: 29 Mar 2008, 05:39 pm »
I,too, have the Hemp Di/Bipoles which I run in the dipole configuration. What I do is play an album in which the instruments have recognized standard positions such as a string quartet. I then adjust the speaker or interconnect cables so that the standard instrument placements are correct.

-Roy

bprice2

Re: Does it Matter?
« Reply #3 on: 29 Mar 2008, 06:18 pm »
I may have failed in posing my question and will give it another shot.

I've got a source with inverted phase.  I have speakers that by design have a forward driver and a rear driver that are out of phase with one another.  Given this set of circumstances, does it matter one way or another whether or not my source's phase is inverted?  My thingking is that it does not, because if I had a source that was phase-correct, then my forward firing drivers would also be phase correct and the rears inverted.  But, if my source's phase was inverted, then so would be my forward drivers and the rears would then be phase-correct.  The dipole effect is still there, because my drivers are still out of phase with one another.  So, it shouldn't matter whether or not my source phase is inverted.  Am I right in thinking this?

I'm not looking for help in setting up my speakers.  I just want to know if my assumption is correct in theory.


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Re: Does it Matter?
« Reply #4 on: 29 Mar 2008, 06:34 pm »
I think that the forward facing drivers are the ones that are most important when trying to find the correct phase. I just go by what sounds best and is correct as far as instrument placement. So phase is important. Sure you could say that it doesn't matter with dipoles but if instrument placement is off at your normal listening position then something is obviously something is out of whack. I can walk around to the rear of the speakers and the instrument placement is still correct. Of course, this is just empirical. Someone else may be able to get theoretical for you.

So it shouldn't matter if your source is inverted as long as you correct it at the drivers. The rear speakers will go ahead and do there own thing ie., create ambiance,space and somehow it all comes together to portray the holographic sound stage that the Omega dipoles are particularly adept at. :)

-Roy
« Last Edit: 29 Mar 2008, 07:08 pm by rajacat »

bprice2

Re: Does it Matter?
« Reply #5 on: 29 Mar 2008, 07:33 pm »
Thanks, Roy.  I think you are probably right about the forward driver needing to be the one with correct phase.  Your statement on this is theoretical enough for me and makes sense.  :D

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Re: Does it Matter?
« Reply #6 on: 29 Mar 2008, 07:54 pm »
No maybe about it, Roy.  Just did the experiment and the difference is immediately obvious.  With the forward drivers phase inverted the soundstage dies.  Probably made even worse by the fact that I'm using DRC.  :duh:  I hadn't even thought of the affect phase and DRC might have on one another.

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Re: Does it Matter?
« Reply #7 on: 2 Apr 2008, 11:38 pm »
Hi bprice2,

I would make it so the front driver is in phase. This is always the best way to go.

Thanks,
Louis