Vanguard cdm-12 transport

Vic Trola · « **Reply #40 on:** 17 Dec 2008, 02:55 pm »

They are in stock.

We have about 3 left -
It takes about 2 weeks to get these in since we are having trouble getting the 1ppm clock.

mr_bill · « **Reply #41 on:** 17 Dec 2008, 07:31 pm »

Thanks Vic,
Is the price the same as is listed on the website ~ $559?
Thanks.

Vic Trola · « **Reply #42 on:** 17 Dec 2008, 07:35 pm »

Yes - the price on the site reflect the CDM 12 PRO - we have not updated the pictures or the site to reflect the upgrade, just the short description.

jaspal kallar · « **Reply #43 on:** 18 Dec 2008, 02:34 pm »

Quote from: jrebman on 17 Dec 2008, 12:18 am

Well, pretty damned good, I'd say. Tons more bass -- deeper and better controlled, same with the high end, and the PRAT is out of this world compared to the stock Oppo.

Jim, if you get the time could you also compare the Vanguard to your macbook (?) transport.

Also what digtal cable are you using between the Vanguard and the RWA Dac?

Cheers

jaspal

jrebman · « **Reply #44 on:** 18 Dec 2008, 03:23 pm »

Jaspal,

I will do that, but I'd be using an Acer Aspire One netbook with XP Home and Foobar. The digital cable is a KCI Falcon with RCA on the transport end and a BNC on the DAC end. I'll be using a 4 meter Locus Design Polestar USB cable.

I want to let things run in a bit before doing any real comparisons.

Right now, I don't feel any real need to upgrade the clock as this is really going to be the backup transport after the PC/USB, and it's doing quite well as it is.

P.S. -- I should say that I'm also using the Ah! Audio De Mat black rubber CD mat. It helps the sonics in various ways -- sometimes a little, quite often a very noticeable amount, and sometimes, very infrequently, worse. I used this a lot when I had my Capitole, and as far as I can tell, the effects are parallel in the Vanguard.

-- Jim

markC · « **Reply #45 on:** 29 Dec 2008, 07:12 pm »

Any further thoughts on the Vanguard now that you've had it for a while?

jrebman · « **Reply #46 on:** 29 Dec 2008, 07:19 pm »

Mark,

Yes. I very much like it and will definitely be keeping it around for quite a while. I don't want to say too much more than that as my experience with dedicated transports is limited, but I will say that it in combination with the KCI Falcon digital cable and the RWA Isabellina, and with nothing fancier than an old version Volex PC, the sound is wonderful no matter what am I use it with. Light years ahead of any other stand alone player I had with the possible exception of the Capitole Mk. II 24/192 SE.

It feels rock solid and hasn't even hiccupped once. It does like better isolation than the standard feet though -- I'm currently using HRS Nimbuses, but may also try Nordost Pulsar Points.

HTH,

Jim

markC · « **Reply #47 on:** 29 Dec 2008, 07:33 pm »

Thanks, Jim. I'm thinking of getting one to relieve my Jolida JD 100 from tranport duty into my diy heavily modded Dac-60. If it offers an improvement I can try and sell the Jolida.

markC · « **Reply #48 on:** 13 Jan 2009, 03:25 am »

So, Vic, any update on the Vanguard? Clock supply, stock, etc.?

Vic Trola · « **Reply #49 on:** 14 Jan 2009, 03:08 am »

They sold out.

We are expecting 10 more around January 26th. Our web site now has stock status as well as a wait queue.

markC · « **Reply #50 on:** 14 Jan 2009, 04:48 am »

And what about the clock upgrade? No mention of that on the site. Still states 3 ppm. Although I'm sure even a dog couldn't tell the diff beteen 3 ppm and 1 ppm.
Is there also a new cd clamp/puck?

Vic Trola · « **Reply #51 on:** 15 Jan 2009, 03:08 am »

Yes, 1PPM clock and new puck. We will update the site - so sorry for being slovenly.

HungryEars · « **Reply #52 on:** 12 Feb 2009, 07:27 am »

Hello, I'm new at this so please be patient.
Could someone clear up for me: if the digital output of the Vanguard CDM 12 or any transport will or will not able to pass 24 bit info from an original disk (if the disk is recorded in 24 bit). I am using an old first generation Sony dvd as a transport right now, feeding a 24/96 tube DAC. I notice that in general, DVD player specifications some time stated the bit rate of its digital output capability as 24 bits, but I have not seen it on a cd player. I do understand that red book cd is limited to 16 bit only. So should I assume that the Vanguard is limited to 16 bit output only? Thank you.

marvda1 · « **Reply #53 on:** 2 Mar 2009, 09:46 pm »

hello jim, any updates?

jrebman · « **Reply #54 on:** 2 Mar 2009, 10:13 pm »

No real updates except that it has still been a very solid performer. I have now used it with the Isabellina dac, the Havana, and it is currently feeding an Audio Sector sp/dif dac.

The only real update is that I'm going to be selling it and the Audio Sector dac for no other reason than I am getting a preamp for the system that this goes with and there is no room for both the preamp and transport. There is no room in the living room system either as there is already a dac and transport up there. Down here I use the computer 99% of the time anyway.

So, I still say it is a really good transport at a really good price. It has never failed to read anything, has never skipped and just plays rock solid all the time.

-- Jim

kyrill · « **Reply #55 on:** 2 Mar 2009, 10:22 pm »

Quote from: HungryEars on 12 Feb 2009, 07:27 am

Hello, I'm new at this so please be patient.
Could someone clear up for me: if the digital output of the Vanguard CDM 12 or any transport will or will not able to pass 24 bit info from an original disk (if the disk is recorded in 24 bit). I am using an old first generation Sony dvd as a transport right now, feeding a 24/96 tube DAC. I notice that in general, DVD player specifications some time stated the bit rate of its digital output capability as 24 bits, but I have not seen it on a cd player. I do understand that red book cd is limited to 16 bit only. So should I assume that the Vanguard is limited to 16 bit output only? Thank you.

Welcome to Audio Circles HungryEars

I belief any transport which is a pure transport of CD redbook will output 16 bit only at 44.1khz

HungryEars · « **Reply #56 on:** 3 Mar 2009, 07:17 am »

Thanks Kyrill for your response.

jrebman · « **Reply #57 on:** 4 Mar 2009, 12:15 pm »

Folks, my transport is sold and there is aline of folks waiting, so please don't contact me asking me to sell it to you. I want to reiterate that I really love this transport, but I just have no room for it anymore as I'm pretty much sticking with my USB dac.

Shameless plug: there is a very nice Audio Sector Sp/dif dac in the for sale section that went with this transport and that I also don't need anymore.

Thanks,

Jim

Speedball · « **Reply #58 on:** 7 Mar 2009, 12:05 pm »

There is some nice looking audio gear on that Pacific Valve & Electric website. One thing I don't understand is the preamps have some really, really nice looking tubes of different shapes and sizes. I just bought (used) a juicy music preamp and the tubes are inside the cabinet and very small.

Is it just the difference between makers, sort of like the difference between automobile makers? Could the large tubes or the small tubes be beneficial in some way?

Just curious.

bacobits1 · « **Reply #59 on:** 8 Mar 2009, 12:42 am »

Circuit design dictates what tubes the designer likes and uses.
You have solid state rectification and tube rectification in these designs.
Tube rectification can come in a few sizes and shapes.
For example a 6X4 series is a small 9 pin and a 5U4GB is coke bottle and 5 pin large base.
There are simpler designs, complicated designs and the use of PCB's and also point to point wiring.
All dictating different size and shapes of chassis.
Last thing is cost figured in of course.

D