Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator

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Tyson

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Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« on: 8 Sep 2009, 05:19 pm »
I posted this in my recent update to my Elsinore Speaker build thread, but I felt it warranted it's own post:

The speakers have been assembled for a long time, but I've not done any finishing work on them because I've been have a very, very difficult time getting them to sound good.

I simply could not get the highs to sound right.  Even got what sounded like distortion coming through them semi-regularly.  I tried everything, from changing amps, upgrading amps, getting a tube preamp, getting a tubed source, getting a BPT 2.5 balanced power conditioner, having a few Felix power conditioner built, and getting Jensen Iso-Max XLR-RCA converters to replace my Cardas XLR-RCA converters (for my DCX, which is XLR only, to/from my other equipment which is all RCA based).  Nothing really helped.

Finally, I focused on the tweeter, the Peerless HDS.  Maybe they were damaged.  Called Madisound, they felt it was very unlikely they were damaged, as those are very robust tweeters.  But they commented that they were very, very, very transparent, leaning to analytical and dry sounding.  Basically said that they sound almost exactly like the Scan-Speak Revelator 9700's. 

I asked if I should upgrade to something like the Scan-Speak 6600 Illuminator, to get good transparency with better sweetness and musicality (even if it cost $220 per tweeter!!)  But they said no, a better match for the Peerless HDS mid-woofers I have would be the new SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator tweeter.  How often does a company direct you away from the $220 item and advise you get the $50 one instead?  Props to Madisound!

I was skeptical that a $50 tweeter would solve my problem and maintain the level of performance I wanted.  But I figured for $100 total, I couldn't really lose (and I could resell them if they didn't).  They were a perfect size to be a drop in replacement for the HDS tweeters.  After a bit of unscrewing and swapping, they were firmly seated in my elsinores.

Right out of the box they sounded far better than the HDS ever did, even after months of tweaking the DCX active crossover.  Smooth, musical, detailed, transparent, and very well integrated.  I dropped the crossover from 2.3khz to 1.6khz and it just got better and better.  It was the HDS tweeters that were causing the poor sound all along. 

I've had them in for several days and they are breaking in more and more, and the overall sound continues to improve.  I've heard a lot of different tweeters and this is probably the best dome tweeter I've ever heard.  It's got a flat response from below 1khz all the way out past 20khz, its off axis performance is excellent, it's detail is exceptional, and it's tonality is beautiful.  At $50, it's a screaming bargain.  Here's a pic of the tweeter.  It looks like the center is pushed in because there is a small pole in the center, under the tweeter dome, that the tweeter attaches to.  This is a "dimple" approach to the ring-radiator application, as opposed to the "nipple" approach that Scan Speak and Vifa use. 




One other thing to note - the guys that started SB Acoustics were all senior engineers from Scan-Speak, most of whom were responsible for designing the Revelator and Illuminator lines for them.  They formed SB Acoustics after Tymphany bought out Scan Speak and Vifa and Peerless.  This is their first offering to the market.  My opinion is that they are deliberately putting out a tweeter this good and this inexpensive as a way to thumb their nose at Scan Speak and "show off" to the industry how good they are at building speaker drivers. 

All I know for sure is that I'm finally getting world class sound in my home again.  Thanks again to Madisound for steering me correctly to this gem of a tweeter.

JoshK

Re: Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« Reply #1 on: 8 Sep 2009, 10:36 pm »
Great to hear, Tyson.  Those are suppose to be great tweeters, but so were HDS.  Sounds like they just weren't a good match. 

I suggest taking your Peerless HDS tweeters over to Thomas's and have him test them out.  Might be something wrong with them.  But never-the-less, at least you got a good pair of tweeters in your speaks.

Pez

Re: Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« Reply #2 on: 8 Sep 2009, 11:11 pm »
I heard the Peerless HDS and the SB accoustics and have become very familiar with their sound in Tysons system. I can say that the peerless just always sounded somewhat sterile and analytic at best. Distorted and harsh at worse.

The SB on the other hand sounded sweet and silky. Much more the sound Tyson is after nowadays. It was also very detailed and had pretty decent transients as well. I found the imaging to be on par with the peerless which was the one area that it was really good. The SB is vastly superior on par with the best dome speaker I've ever heard. 

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Re: Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« Reply #3 on: 11 Jun 2010, 02:27 am »
Just an update, I still had a bit of problems with things sounding a bit hollow and echo-ey, even with the SB29's in there.  I found a killer deal on a pair of mids that would fit my midrange cutouts exactly - the SEAS W18NX Nextels.  I wanted to also give the Peerless HDS (now re-labeled to a Scan Speak tweeter) another try.  First off, the Nextel is a far better midrange driver than the Peerless Nomex driver is.  Almost perfect tonal balance and nicely dense sound.  But the HDS tweeter is a poor match for it.  Don't get me wrong, the mids are much better, so the system as a whole sounds better, but the tweeters are just a bit too forward for me.  Time to put the SB29 back in...

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Re: Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« Reply #4 on: 11 Jun 2010, 02:37 am »
So is hole size your only consideration?  Box?

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Re: Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« Reply #5 on: 11 Jun 2010, 07:53 am »
I have active speakers with a DEQX digital crossover, and the mids are not sealed off from the rest of the drivers (yet) internally.  That means I can drop in pretty much any driver as long as it physically fits, measure it from several locations, do the FR correction and phase correction, dial in a steep slope crossover and do some final verification measurements of the end result.  So, I suppose the answer is 'yes', getting a midrange driver that can actually fit is a primary consideration.  Plus, I've heard most other high end mid-woofers on the market and I wanted to give the SEAS Nextels a shot.  I was hoping they'd be in the same class as the Revelator/Illuminators from Scan Speak.  So far, I think that they are.

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Re: Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« Reply #6 on: 24 Nov 2012, 06:13 am »
Tyson, did you ever try the Elsinores with their passive crossover?  And, could you point me to the thread where you mentioned switching to RS28 tweeters from the SB Acoustics?  (I think that's what you said, but it's been a while since I asked and I lost track of the thread...)

Pez

Re: Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« Reply #7 on: 24 Nov 2012, 07:32 am »
Tyson never used a passive crossover with the Elsinores. From the get go we wired them strictly for active x-over. As far as the RS28 I may be mistaken, but I don't think Tyson ever did anything with that.

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Re: Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« Reply #8 on: 24 Nov 2012, 05:56 pm »
I did use the RS28, I still have it in my closet (along with the SB29 and my old cabinet and the Peerless drivers and the SEAS drivers). 

Of all the tweeters I used, the SB29 was overall my favorite.

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Re: Killer Tweeter - SB Acoustics SB29 Ring Radiator
« Reply #9 on: 5 Apr 2025, 10:34 pm »
Hi tyson, excuse me if the post is very old, but i want to ask you  when you heve mounted the SB29 ring radiator, you mount it in the waveguide for HDS tweeter ?, because in the original project it has the waveguide.