PEB (BESL) coming to Denver area again soon

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BradJudy

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« Reply #40 on: 28 Feb 2005, 06:09 pm »
I played a number of different items.  including:

Orlando Cachaito Lopez - Redencion
Blue Rider Trio - Death have no mercy
Harry Belafonte - Jamaica Farewell (Carnegie hall recording)
Bruce Cockburn - We Three Kings (acoustic guitar)
Barenaked Ladies - God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen (KBCO version, not the one with Sarah McLachlan)
WarrenG and Sissel - Prince Igor
Ani DiFranco - Worthy

I think that's everything I played.

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« Reply #41 on: 1 Mar 2005, 01:44 am »
These are the ones I played:

* Jeton Reference - Moonlight Serenade/Round about Midnight
* Jeton Reference - Sicurriada
* Jeton Reference - Memphis Overkill
* Diana Krall - Love Is
* Loreena McKennitt - The Mummer's Dance and Dante's Prayer
* Disney Lilo & Stitch - He Mele No Lilo (opening song from 1st movie) and Burning Love performed by Wynonna
* Kevin Rankin - Berimbau
* Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me

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« Reply #42 on: 2 Mar 2005, 07:24 pm »
Mike,

What about your impressions? Have you had a chance to listen to them some more?

I forgot to comment how much I enjoyed your Vandersteen's. I love speakers that don't draw attention (though they're big and attractive) to themselves and just let the music play with ease.

Al

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« Reply #43 on: 2 Mar 2005, 07:30 pm »
Yeah, both Mike and Jerry haven't said anything yet, it would be good to hear their impressions.  I understand why Wayne and Phil haven't said anything (both being dealers and/or manufacturers of different brands), but it would still be interesting to hear from them as well.

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« Reply #44 on: 3 Mar 2005, 12:22 am »
Yeah, I'm waiting for "all the votes to come in." Plus I've been busy.

But I can say this for now.

I sure enjoyed meeting the fellow audiophiles.  And I was pleasantly surprised at how the afternoon was all about listening to music.  Typically I get cornered right at the door and the shop talk begins for the next 2 hours!

It was also a nice change to allow each song to play to the end.

mgalusha

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« Reply #45 on: 3 Mar 2005, 04:07 am »
I've been pretty busy the past two days and really haven't had time to post, that said, here are some impressions.

First, I want to thank Phil Bamberg for making these available, especially to a crowd who might be a tough sell. :thumb:

Very nice to meet both Al and Phil, both very knowledgeable and genuinely nice guys. A pleasure.

My speakers are Vandy 3A signatures, which I doubt anyone would describe as forward or aggressive. As I've gotten older my tolerance for aggressive or overly forward sound has diminished and my system is geared for my tastes and is pretty laid back. Please take this perspective into account when reading my comments.

BESL Series 2 MT
With the BESL series 2 in their original configuration with the tweeters on the outside I found them too forward and aggressive for my taste. I was only in the sweet spot for 1 song and I felt I was missing some of the harmonic richness I'm used to hearing from this track (Dizzy Gillespie - Swing Low Sweet Cadillac (Tyson was shuddering. Hah!)) and it was just too bright and forward for my tastes. I found this interesting since the same combination of gear with the 3A's is quite detailed but still laid back. I was surprised at how different the presentation was.

Once the BESL speakers were swapped and the tweeters were on the inside I found the sound much more agreeable to my tastes. I wasn't in the sweet spot so I cannot comment on the imaging but from what others said it was much improved. Overall I still found it a little hard for my taste but it was much closer to what I prefer.

Aurum Cantus
With the Aurum Cantus (again from outside the sweet spot) I found them much more relaxed sounding than the BESL but the bass seemed weaker than I thought it should be. I would have liked to hear these without the socks in the ports, running full range and with the subs off. I can't comment at all on the imaging or soundstage since I wasn't ever in the sweet spot. My guess is that these would quite good with some tube amps and in a smaller room.

VMPS 626R
I've heard these many times but not in my system. Once Tyson had them adjusted I preferred the sound of the 626's over both the BESL and Aurum Cantus. I am not a big VMPS fan but the overall sound of the 626's in the system on this day was very good. They also integrated with the subs much better than either of the other two. Note we did no tinkering with the subs other than measure the levels to make sure they were equal to the speakers through the crossover point. All of the speakers were close enough in efficiency that we didn't have to change them. I'm pretty sure that some tweaking of the "Q" and level would have resulted in substantially better sound but we just didn't have the time.

As far as the system, it's pretty much as described in the link below. A much modified Denon 2900, a DIY preamp using a 6SN7 gain stage, a pair of Odyssey Extreme mono amps, DIY IC's, BOLDER Summit IC's between the preamp and amps and 2 pair of 12GA flat braid to the speakers. My room is 24 x 14 and 16 ft. high for most of it's length. Quite a bit of volume to fill.

Mike

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« Reply #46 on: 3 Mar 2005, 04:13 am »
Quote from: Al Garay
Mike,

What about your impressions? Have you had a chance to listen to them some more?

I forgot to comment how much I enjoyed your Vandersteen's. I love speakers that don't draw attention (though they're big and attractive) to themselves and just let the music play with ease.


Al,

Impressions posted (somewhat belatedly, as usual).

I didn't get a chance to listen any more. I did want to hook them up with my SC-150 amps but I ended up working until 11:00 on Monday and I was just too damn tired last night. I looked at the boxes and thought about it but that was as far as I got. Phil came by a few minutes ago and picked them up, so my chances are gone.

I'm glad you enjoyed the Vandies. For me they do a lot of things right, most importantly they just let the music play. Attractive is certainly not a word I would use to describe them. I'm just happy my wife tolerates them in the living room. I remember one friend coming by and asking if there was a problem with my speakers. I said no, why? He said because they're so far out in the room and not shoved in a corner. I had to educate him on the physics of speaker placement. :lol:

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« Reply #47 on: 3 Mar 2005, 04:45 am »
I thought Tyson was the one who is "fashionably late"... not when it comes to postings.

The Vandersteen 2ci used to be one of my favorite speakers in the early 90s. Your 3A signatures brought back good memories.

I can relate with tons of work. My quick little trip has added a bunch of work that I need to do before I return early April.  Hope the grass looks green by then.

Al

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« Reply #48 on: 3 Mar 2005, 05:00 am »
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I would have liked to hear these without the socks in the ports, running full range and with the subs off.


You're welcome whenever you find yourself up north.  :)