[Peter J]

Humm...this thread has taken an unexpected turn.

Thanks to everyone who offered your advice! Greatly appreciated. I was leaning towards the A/V3's with the matching center. That is until Danny put those CST-1's up. humm...

But then shipping would kill my budget on those.

Peter,

Are you designing flats for the A/V3's by any chance?

It did go off course, and I'm partially responsible for which I'm sorry.
Sadly, I'm not designing flat packs for the AV-3. I'll never say never, but for viability from a business perspective, volume needs to be at a fairly high level to make sense. It's that or higher pricing that effectively takes it out of target market. Coincidentally that speaks to some points made earlier to Witch Doctor.

[Test4echo]

It did go off course, and I'm partially responsible for which I'm sorry.
Sadly, I'm not designing flat packs for the AV-3. I'll never say never, but for viability from a business perspective, volume needs to be at a fairly high level to make sense. It's that or higher pricing that effectively takes it out of target market. Coincidentally that speaks to some points made earlier to Witch Doctor.

No Worries Peter! I am Loving your Videos! Great Job! 

You have me seriously considering a new hobby! I have No tools and no woodworking skills, but hey, I have Big Garage and time!

I wonder, have you made a set of those X-LS encores without the CNC ?

[charmerci]

This is "Audiocircle" not "McSpeaker" circle. You can't open a direct sales website for a restaurant, you can for speakers.
So can anyone else answer my question?

Easy because the majority of people don't have high tastes and simply don't care.
To make the same speaker are Danny, Paradigms will cost a lot more. And just because people have a lot more money doesn't mean that people care about quality. People will buy multi-million dollar Picassos to own them, not because they care about art. The Kardashians buy Ferraris - they don't care about it's road handling limits, they like to show off and occasionally press the pedal on a straight stretch of highway for fun.

[Peter J]

No Worries Peter! I am Loving your Videos! Great Job! 

You have me seriously considering a new hobby! I have No tools and no woodworking skills, but hey, I have Big Garage and time!

I wonder, have you made a set of those X-LS encores without the CNC ?

Yes, I have. The first few pairs in the "X-LS Extravaganza" thread were done pre-CNC. Many have done it even more simply with butt joints.  Very possible to build with minimal tool up as many here can attest.
FWIW, if I had to choose addictions to introduce people too, woodworking would seem a better choice than some others I've adopted.

[witchdoctor]

Easy because the majority of people don't have high tastes and simply don't care.
To make the same speaker are Danny, Paradigms will cost a lot more. And just because people have a lot more money doesn't mean that people care about quality. People will buy multi-million dollar Picassos to own them, not because they care about art. The Kardashians buy Ferraris - they don't care about it's road handling limits, they like to show off and occasionally press the pedal on a straight stretch of highway for fun.

I call BS, people do care and while tastes may differ on music everyone can appreciate quality.
Quick, what is the fastest growing category in music sales??


https://uproxx.com/music/vinyl-record-sales-beat-cd-sales/

I think this is a legitimate question, and it isn't limited to GR Research or Paradigm. Why do high value products sometimes lag in revenue? Marketing? Business acumen?

[Test4echo]

I call BS, people do care and while tastes may differ on music everyone can appreciate quality.
Quick, what is the fastest growing category in music sales??


https://uproxx.com/music/vinyl-record-sales-beat-cd-sales/

I think this is a legitimate question, and it isn't limited to GR Research or Paradigm. Why do high value products sometimes lag in revenue? Marketing? Business acumen?

While I appreciate your views and understand what your trying to say, please don't hijack my thread. All I wanted was some information on Upgrading my Paradigm's and if it was worth it. Plus some other avanues I could take.

I think that you have some good points, but you should create another thread to discuss it. That way, when people see what a troll you are, the Mods can delete your thread and not mine.

Otherwise, MODS feel free to delete my thread.

To everyone else, Thanks a bunch for your input! Appreciated.

[roscoe65]

One option to cabinet building is to start with a Parts Express Denovo 0.56 cubic foot cabinet.  It is $39 at PE.  Add port tubes to the order and you’re still at $100 shipped.  A local shop can cut the baffles with a router.

[roscoe65]

Why don’t we discuss the relative merits of upgrading Paradigm loudspeakers vs. building/buying from GR Research?  May I note that we are discussing this in the GR Research industry circle.

This poster has unfortunately firebombed yet another post.  My Advice:  want to know why Danny doesn’t decide take on Paradigm?  Who cares?  Go start your own speaker company.

[Danny Richie]

To answer some of the questions.

Here is the measured on axis response of the Paradigm Studio 60's.



Looks great huh.

Want to see what the crossover response looks like? The drivers aren't even in phase.



How about that spectral decay?



And I don't need to say anything about the crossover. It speaks for itself.



Then there was the diffraction issue from the way the tweeter was mounted. I threw on a few stripes of felt and took care of that problem.



Here are the measurements before and after the simple felt fix. Want to take a guess as to which measurement was with the felt and which one was without?

[Test4echo]

To answer some of the questions.

Here is the measured on axis response of the Paradigm Studio 60's.



Looks great huh.

Want to see what the crossover response looks like? The drivers aren't even in phase.



How about that spectral decay?



And I don't need to say anything about the crossover. It speaks for itself.



Then there was the diffraction issue from the way the tweeter was mounted. I threw on a few stripes of felt and took care of that problem.



Here are the measurements before and after the simple felt fix. Want to take a guess as to which measurement was with the felt and which one was without?

Hi Danny,

Thank you very much! I appreciate you taking the time to post those measurements and Photo's!

Those are Paradigm V5's which were leaps and bounds better designed and better measured than the older V1's (which I have). So..any ideas I had about upgrading or keeping these V1's are gone.

Those results and your "displeasure" with them, led me to do some serious investigating.

It was very eye opening to say the least in some ways. 

I searched out some of the bigger reviews from reputable reviewers (Kal R. , John A, etc..)

They ALL found the same issues (and posted them) in their measurements with the V5's as your measurements showed. Pretty much identical results.

Yet....for what ever reason, they didn't really shine a light on the diffraction issues, phase issues etc. Nope, they praised them.

How does a speaker measure so poorly so consistently (by that I mean, everyone saw the same issues in their graphs) , yet report they sound fantastic for the price tag?

Very interesting.

The power of hype and marketing really does shine bright!

[Sonicjoy]

The power of hype and marketing really does shine bright!

That is it! You nailed it.

[Danny Richie]

Sometimes those reviewers can't give anything but praises for a company that is spending a lot of money in advertising.

Some of those magazines offer advertising packages that will included X number of ads and a review for thousands of dollars. Do you really think they are going to buy a bad review? And some of those "reviewers" are really creative writers. Notice too how there is rarely ever any comparisons?

Now that is not a blanket that can be thrown over the entire industry. There are good reviewers our there. But that blanket can cover more than you think.

[Test4echo]

Sometimes those reviewers can't give anything but praises for a company that is spending a lot of money in advertising.

Some of those magazines offer advertising packages that will included X number of ads and a review for thousands of dollars. Do you really think they are going to buy a bad review? And some of those "reviewers" are really creative writers. Notice too how there is rarely ever any comparisons?

Now that is not a blanket that can be thrown over the entire industry. There are good reviewers our there. But that blanket can cover more than you think.

Thanks Danny 

[witchdoctor]

While I appreciate your views and understand what your trying to say, please don't hijack my thread. All I wanted was some information on Upgrading my Paradigm's and if it was worth it. Plus some other avanues I could take.

I think that you have some good points, but you should create another thread to discuss it. That way, when people see what a troll you are, the Mods can delete your thread and not mine.

Otherwise, MODS feel free to delete my thread.

To everyone else, Thanks a bunch for your input! Appreciated.

No disrespect intended and I created another thread as you suggested:

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=169810.new#new