Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #20 on: 22 Aug 2012, 02:13 pm »
I agree with you, Danny. I didn't intend the term 'decouple' in the absolute sense (and I seriously doubt ASC does either), but trapping does help. Doing nothing, well...does nothing. Getting smooth bass is a challenge, but it's worth the effort and expense (to me, anyway). The SubTraps are just one piece of the puzzle.

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #21 on: 22 Aug 2012, 02:54 pm »
Yep, trapping the bass is a big deal.

Here is a link to some coverage of some tube traps I made many years ago. Be sure and catch the funny story at the end.

http://gr-research.com/foam.htm

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #22 on: 22 Aug 2012, 05:30 pm »
I agree with Kevin, I think the term "decouple" is sales speak to some extent. I also agree with Danny that bass creates its own energy in each particular room.  Bass Iso's seem to tame the beast for me.

Jim

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #23 on: 24 Aug 2012, 01:36 pm »
Hello all and if you don't mind I'll add a thought or two.  As I developed and co-hold the patent on the Auralex Isolation Platform devices, I do have a bit of experience on this topic.  Jim, glad you like the device...always great to hear.

The isolation platform is dealing with structure-bourne elements but not the air-bourne.  The air-bourne is how the sub couples to room modes, etc...The structure-bourne is in fact very important because sound travels ~ 3x faster (at least) through materials like wood than the speed of sound in air.  Secondly, all materials that vibrate in connection with the sub's output are filters (even the isolation platform).  The goal is to have the combination of sub to surface be a positive one (as close to linear as possible). 

Some of the variables at play are the subs composition and build, the isolation platform's composition (resonant freq, deflection) and the floor's composition.

Not all subs would benefit from such a device, not all floors would benefit either.

The R&D process of the device was anchored around my pro bass playing career and the frustration of my rig's tone changing from stage to stage.  It didn't take long to find other applications for the Auralex GRAMMA (which is the core product...renamed SubDude for this market).

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #24 on: 24 Aug 2012, 04:47 pm »
See that's what I thought, and why subs like the Legend don't need an ISO platform. It simply doesn't interact with the floor at all due to its design. I would think all single driver types could.

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« Reply #25 on: 24 Aug 2012, 09:11 pm »
Rclark, a better test for vibration is to put a soup bowl of water on top of the enclosure and see how big the vibrations appear to be when playing your favorite bass heavy piece of music.
With this test you may find that no enclosure is truly inert.
Scotty

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #26 on: 24 Aug 2012, 10:04 pm »
Already done it. And feels like it's off when it's playing. Isn't super built or massively braced, it's just a superior design.

You can YouTube vids of the larger Empire pumping some hard bass with coins set upright on the enclosure, glasses of water, and the box simply does not vibrate.

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #27 on: 25 Aug 2012, 01:21 am »
And everything you see on YouTube is real :P

Jim

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #28 on: 25 Aug 2012, 02:32 am »
well I can film a demo no problem I just need to take the sub outside to really crank it hard.

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #29 on: 25 Aug 2012, 03:46 am »
well I can film a demo no problem I just need to take the sub outside to really crank it hard.

Sure, if it make you feel better.  The good thing is that you finally figured out that those MMG's needed some support in the bottom octaves.

Jim

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #30 on: 25 Aug 2012, 03:59 am »
I gotta admit, it's pretty damn sweet. Almost done with my review.

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Re: Subwoofer Bass Isolation Platforms
« Reply #31 on: 25 Aug 2012, 04:13 am »
Got to love Rclark and his youthful enthousiasm!

Jim