A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?

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Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #40 on: 21 Apr 2012, 07:45 pm »
Greg
similar siutation to me that led to the 14Bsst2. BTW - how do you like the CJ preamp paired with the 14bsst2? I am looking for a new pre amp to go with my new Bryston amp.
Your thoughts appreciated

David C

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Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #41 on: 21 Apr 2012, 08:48 pm »
Greg
similar siutation to me that led to the 14Bsst2. BTW - how do you like the CJ preamp paired with the 14bsst2? I am looking for a new pre amp to go with my new Bryston amp.
Your thoughts appreciated

David C

I really am curious about this pre amp piece into a 14B. One of the advantages of the 14 over the 7s is a passive pre can sit right at the amp where it needs to be. They come now in 12db gain which is high for a passive. Includes dual transformers for improved dynamics i imagine.

http://www.audio-zone.ca/pre-T1.html

MOZ

Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #42 on: 3 May 2012, 07:49 am »
Hi all, hi James,

I'm looking to get more power for my system.
I own Revel Studio 1 (and Voice, Embrace, sub30 aso) + 4B SST2 & 9B SST2.
I also have ML 326S (pre) + ML 390S (CDP) for 2ch and Lexicon MC12B for HT.
I need two mono amplifiers for my Studios.
I plan to bridge my 4B SST2 for the Voice.
I 'm looking for a used pair of Mark Levinson 436 (but quite hard to find here in Europe).
I also have a good deal on 2x 7B SST2 (2 years old)...

Who has ever tried/compared Bryston 7B SST2 vs ML 436 ?
The ML 436 seems to be more refined amp but the Bryston are here...
I would really like to get an advice here...  8)

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Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #43 on: 3 May 2012, 01:01 pm »
Hi all, hi James,

I'm looking to get more power for my system.
I own Revel Studio 1 (and Voice, Embrace, sub30 aso) + 4B SST2 & 9B SST2.
I also have ML 326S (pre) + ML 390S (CDP) for 2ch and Lexicon MC12B for HT.
I need two mono amplifiers for my Studios.
I plan to bridge my 4B SST2 for the Voice.
I 'm looking for a used pair of Mark Levinson 436 (but quite hard to find here in Europe).
I also have a good deal on 2x 7B SST2 (2 years old)...

Who has ever tried/compared Bryston 7B SST2 vs ML 436 ?
The ML 436 seems to be more refined amp but the Bryston are here...
I would really like to get an advice here...  8)

This is not an advice since I did not do the direct and extensive comparison of the ML amp in question to 7B SST2 in my system, rather a rant about my experience and my opinion I consequently formed about the gear in question.
Out of the gear you have mentioned I have heard ML 326S pre (quite extensive audition in familiar system), 7B SST2 and 4B SST (again very extensive auditions in familiar system), ML 53 (compared to other amps in not so familiar system) and ML 531 or 532 (do not recall exactly which one, I guess they would sort of match the level of 436, and compared them to other amps in not so familiar system).
A summary description of each, with more focus on negatives, which does not imply negative opinion but rather describes potential difficulties in achieving transparent sound with specific component in a specific system.
If you want me to be more elaborate on any let me know.
4B SST is very good but not a match for any of mentioned ML amps in terms of capability to drive difficult loads.
7B SST2 (and SST version as well) is my preference especially when considering cost. I find it more open than ML amps I have heard.
ML 53 drives well almost anything but I still find it less involving than 7B, sounds somewhat dark and sort of slow when compared not only to 7B (based on memory) but some class A amps in direct comparison at the time.
ML 531/532 (whichever it may have been) was sort of between 4B and 53.
So in terms of amplification I was not too enthusiastic about ML and I found no reason to consider it as an upgrade to 7B SST2 despite great reviews and higher price.
I paid close attention to ML 326S in comparison to BP26 because I do not find BP26 transparent enough (when compared to capable DAC driving amps directly, note that very few DACs are capable of it), and I did not find any pre I heard till that point transparent enough.
ML 326S was noticeably more transparent than BP26 but only with 0dB gain setting, with 6dB it already exhibited loss in transparency. However even with 0dB the impression was mixed, because it did sound transparent (and good in other aspects) only on some recordings, but on some there were some significant omissions in upper midrange, especially with brass/horns, it was too bleached out and thin, as if it had no driving power to reproduce the intensity of trumpet blare for example. Not match to BDA-1 driving amps directly for example.

MOZ

Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #44 on: 3 May 2012, 01:53 pm »
Tx for the input.
I don't want to argue concerning the pre, as i already made up my mind long time ago (had SP1.7 and SP2 + BCD1 in my system before and used them on 2ch)... For me, there is nothing comparable between Bryston and ML. Bryston is doing well, best products on analog for reasonnable price but ML is another level. The 326S is what i heard best, before the Ref 32 (that i plan to buy next)... and so for the CDplayer 390S compared to BCD1.

I was more wondering between 7B SST2 and ML 436...
Anyway, i'm gona have the 7B's home to give them a try...

PS : i lived with each Bryston and ML staff for several years, so my input is based on long time living...

Daniel Datchev

Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #45 on: 3 May 2012, 03:17 pm »
Hi, I bought 14B-SST a year ago as it was a great deal.
If I have to choose I would go for 7B, but there is a saying better a sparrow in the hand, than an eagle in the sky.
Actually I was hunting for 3B or 4B, as possible upgrade to my B100-SST.

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Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #46 on: 10 May 2012, 09:37 pm »
Greg
similar siutation to me that led to the 14Bsst2. BTW - how do you like the CJ preamp paired with the 14bsst2? I am looking for a new pre amp to go with my new Bryston amp.
Your thoughts appreciated

David C

David,

I really do like the CJ paired with the 14B, but haven't had the opportunity to compare any other preamps in our system since we added the Bryston amp. Unfortunately, it is tough to rate the CJ against other preamps that I have heard in the past, but this is the best my system has sounded.

Since our CJ is SS, I have to admit that I am curious what a "tubed" CJ preamp would sound like. Then again, I am curious what a Bryston preamp would sound like in our setup.

Hmmm.. don't think I was much help...

-Greg

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Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #47 on: 12 May 2012, 03:10 am »
I never liked Levinson...it's always dark and dull sounding to me.

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Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #48 on: 12 May 2012, 12:44 pm »
I never liked Levinson...it's always dark and dull sounding to me.
Interesting that we share the same perception, that is how I described my experience with ML amplification, what is very puzzling considering that ML has almost cult following.
What ML gear did you hear with what components?

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Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #49 on: 12 May 2012, 01:59 pm »
Interesting that we share the same perception, that is how I described my experience with ML amplification, what is very puzzling considering that ML has almost cult following.
What ML gear did you hear with what components?



Old and new Levinson. The old I had over 20 years ago, no. 26 pre and no. 23 power with Accuphase cd player and B&W 801 speakers. New Levinson was @ the 2011 CES. I can't remember the model #s, but they were driving JBL 1400 Array speakers.

MOZ

Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #50 on: 14 May 2012, 11:42 am »
Ok guys,

I've tried the 7B SST2 and it's a HUGE improvement in my system, no way back !
I came from a 4B SST2 driving my Revel Studio 1 to 2 x 7B SST2 and the difference is just drastic and phenomenal !
My Studio's now give me hard sustained deep bass, highs get clearer and the stage moved to more tridimentionnal !!!
I'm just amazed... what a move !

I couldn't do a direct comparison between the ML 436 (heard the 436 on another system, amps are a bit slower i would say) and the 7B's, but, well, i go for the Bryston no matter  8)

We also bridged my 4B SST2 for the central speaker and my HT performance has also increased in a maner i wasn't expecting... So much better, so much clearer and punchier.

Well, what i can say is don't underestimate the need of power for your central speaker...  :duh:

I'm glad Bryston is doing so nice products...
 :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #51 on: 14 May 2012, 01:09 pm »
Ok guys,

I've tried the 7B SST2 and it's a HUGE improvement in my system, no way back !
I came from a 4B SST2 driving my Revel Studio 1 to 2 x 7B SST2 and the difference is just drastic and phenomenal !
My Studio's now give me hard sustained deep bass, highs get clearer and the stage moved to more tridimentionnal !!!
I'm just amazed... what a move !

I couldn't do a direct comparison between the ML 436 (heard the 436 on another system, amps are a bit slower i would say) and the 7B's, but, well, i go for the Bryston no matter  8)

We also bridged my 4B SST2 for the central speaker and my HT performance has also increased in a maner i wasn't expecting... So much better, so much clearer and punchier.

Well, what i can say is don't underestimate the need of power for your central speaker...  :duh:

I'm glad Bryston is doing so nice products...
 :thumb: :thumb:

Hi Moz,

My experience is very similar.  I was driving my 22 year old Infinity 9 Kappas bi-amped with a pair of Adcom GFA-555's.  When I replaced the amps with a pair of 7B SST2's a couple years ago it was like I bought a new pair of speakers.  I figure the 7's saved me about $15K :).  Sticking with the subject, however, I feel certain a similar result would have occured with the 14B SST2.

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Re: A pair of 7Bs or one 14B?
« Reply #52 on: 15 May 2012, 08:41 am »
Cool deal. The 7Bs sound like very special amps.