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After being diagnosed with leukemia in September, I was shocked to learn the price of the pills to treat the cancer. One month supply of 30 tablets $5000.
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While I cannot venture a guess on the specific pills you are talking about ( I don't know what they are ) the main reason given by the giant
pharmaceutical companies is the cost that goes into the research and development of the drugs they make. Cancer drugs require the most R&D. I wish you well and hope that you beat this my friend... I have seen people that have.
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Sorry to hear about the diagnosis. Here is an article that is a few years old but may explain some of it - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/business/15pill.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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This medication was developed in the 90's for CML. CML is the type of leukemia that I have. I believe they're are now three different meds similar to each other now being used to treat CML.
My white blood cell count has come down, a good sign but I will not know until March how the cancer is actually being effected.
The meds do give quite the rash and some large red bumps on my face and body.
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The article is very interesting. It even mentions my type of cancer; CML. They also mention Gleevec. I take the drug Sprycel similar to Gleevec but one only needs one tablet a day of Spycel compared to multiple dosing of Gleevec.
I'm lucky that my insurance covers 80% percent and the remainder is covered by an assistance program provided by the makers of Sprycel.
According to the article oral pills for cancer seems to be the way of the future for cancer but insurance companies have to catch up.
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My prayers are with you, my friend.
Try to learn all you can about CML. The internet is your friend in this case. If you can be your own research professional, it can only help you get informed, and help you ask the best questions about your ongoing prognosis and treatment. You may also find out all that is being done with regards to your type of cancer.
Self-education might also help you find a resource for help getting these expensive pills. Also let friends and family help too.
Lastly, get the best doctor you can for your course of treatment.
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Insurance companies, medical or otherwise, always seem to be a bit behind the curve
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Thanks for the advice.
I should know more in March, hopefully it will be good news, if so I'll post it here.
In the mean time I'll will try and keep working and search for information via the net. If I find interesting info maybe I will post that here also.
Tks
Ray
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It appears Sprycel is a Bcr-Abl tyrosine kinase inhibitor. It is a second-generation drug relative to Gleevec and was developed for individuals whose CML was resistant to Gleevec.
Ten years ago I was diagnosed with polycythemia vera, a distantly related myeloproliferative illness. I was tested and I am positive for the Jak2 tyrosine kinase mutation. After failing an 18 month trial of recombinant interferon I was placed on hydroxyurea, a drug discovered in the late 1800's with a side effect profile that is not nearly as problematic as the interferon and available at dirt cheap generic prices.
I am here to tell you to do TONS of research on the internet and learn to tell the difference between reliable and reputable information versus hearsay and rumor. Do not assume your physician will be aware of every single piece of information relating to your disease since CML is one of the "orphan" leukemias and is not common. I have run into several hematology/oncology specialists who were not at all well-versed in polycythemia, the patients who convert to acute myeloid leukemia, or side effects of medications they prescribe. You alone are your own best friend.
Do your research, ask questions, and don't be afraid to change physicians if you don't feel you are being well cared for!
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Phoenixtears
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I am just learning so much "detox" and pH of your body and keeping your body more alkaline / less acidic ...
Good health to all
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More and more people are turning to the Paleodiet to cure their cancer instead of using the high dollar and dangerous medical treatments. This diet also helps keep the body PH balanced.
http://www.myhealthblog.org/2012/05/09/cancer-is-curable-now-movie-review-from-a-fellow-cancer-healer/
Also look up Dr. Otto Warburg. In 1931 he won a Nobel Peace prize on his studies on how sugar feeds cancer cells. The Paleo diet gets rid of the sugars and grains that feeds cancer.
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Youtube now has the Cancer is Curable full documentary video.
http://youtu.be/zSobxKv4Umk
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I'd spend less money to go see people (http://www.generativemedicine.org/pr.shtml) that can help you have a fighting chance.
There are things you can do to help prevent the spreading. Anti-cancer things that help remove pre-cancerous sugars from cells for example. Anything that improve the immune system (proper gut flora) is going to be beneficial. Etc etc. Feel free to PM me but I'll tell you upfront I follow the information that the link above is about.
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Our prayers are with you. Investigate the Cancer Treatment Center. Check out the book "Eating for your Blood Type" by Dr. Peter Adamo. It will keep you alkaline. The CTC uses this diet. They cured two of our friends.
Going through Cancer in our home we learned a lot. Stay strong with a positive attitude. Helps you more than you think.
charles
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LiveStrong is also a great resource, despite the issues around the founder. Friends have used this extensively and there is a wealth of support and information available.
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HI.
After being diagnosed with leukemia in September, I was shocked to learn the price of the pills to treat the cancer. One month supply of 30 tablets $5000.
Sorry to learn this very sad news of yours.
Do you think cancer is curable????? :duh: not even you sell yr house to finance the medication.
My wife & me have already planned in case of getting cancer - no drugs - eat vegie & do excercise to fight
the deadly disease naturally with our mind & determination.
c-J
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I would think the meds, if they are priced like the other meds I've purchased there, are 1/10 of the cost if bought in Mexico or some other country outside the US. It's here that the price is insanely inflated to get the dollars from insurance companies who then inflate our premiums.
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Now when I read support for alternative ways to fight cancer I think of Steve Jobs comments to his good friend. His friend also had cancer and was told to follow the regimen his oncologist recommended. Jobs had taken alternative routes and felt he made a mistake doing so which cost him his life.
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A local firefighter had melanoma and my wife was "treating" him. He would try everything he could alternatively because the standard medical industry meds were so nasty to his insides.
I gave him and his dad 100,000 frequent flyer miles so they could fly here:
http://www.oasisofhope.com/
It was $8000 for a couple of weeks and he felt fantabulous when he came back from there. Detoxed the body and fed it nothing but good stuff including isobaric chamber time.
Good luck to you Ray.
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Thanks for the advice.
I should know more in March, hopefully it will be good news, if so I'll post it here.
In the mean time I'll will try and keep working and search for information via the net. If I find interesting info maybe I will post that here also.
Tks
Ray
Ray,
That video on cancer is very powerful and informative. You will probably learn more in two hours watching the video than a whole month's worth of searching the net. I would highly recommend it to anyone over 20 years old that wants to stay away from or cure their cancer.
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I gave him and his dad 100,000 frequent flyer miles so they could fly here:
http://www.oasisofhope.com/
That gift alone was good for his cancer :thumb:
Good Karma!
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I am just learning so much "detox" and pH of your body and keeping your body more alkaline / less acidic ...
Good health to all
You hit the point. Acid blood is a paradise for cancer.
Fact= All sodas and most bottled water are acid, Coke Ph is 2,5 =incredlible acid, it is a slow poison.
Fact: On alkaline blood there is no cancer.
Fact: The blood normal pH is 7,35 - 7,45 (neutral), remember Coke pH is so low as 2,5 ...
Fact: The body of a newborn is 85% water, very alkaline.
Fact: The body of an elderly man has only 60% water(acid, bad water).
Practice your Portuguese here, this video changed my life for better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ZTSbNErJI
This medical had 65 y/o at the time of this congress to doctors, but he looks 45/50 y/o.
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Hi.
You hit the point. Acid blood is a paradise for cancer.
Fact= All sodas and most bottled water are acid, Coke Ph is 2,5 =incredlible acid, it is a slow poison.
Fact: On alkaline blood there is no cancer.
Fact: The blood normal pH is 7,35 - 7,45 (neutral), remember Coke pH is so low as 2,5 ...
Fact: The body of a newborn is 85% water, very alkaline.
Fact: The body of an elderly man has only 60% water(acid, bad water).
Practice your Portuguese here, this video changed my life for better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ZTSbNErJI
This medical had 65 y/o at the time of this congress to doctors, but he looks 45/50 y/o.
Yes, keeping our body AKALINE is the basic way to kick out cancer from our body.
One best way to keep our body from acidic is eat LESS meat, which makes our body acidic.
No coffee, no alcohol, no pops (no SUGAR), only GREEN tea is another effective way to stop cancers from growing inside our body. That's why I only drink GREEN tea any day!
Cancer cells feed on sugars. Less pops, less sweets help bigtime in cancer immunity.
Cancer cells which always exist in our body, which grows rapidly in non-oxygen environment. So to stop them from growing simply doing exercises - Oxygen bearing exercises - best OUTdoor - like jogging, hiking & outdoor workouts which take in fresh oxgyen.
Another simple recipe to stop cancer growing in our body is - honey+cinnamon powder (per a published medical paper). I use it as my toast spread for my breakfast DAILY instead of jam which is another processed food, should be avoided as much as possible.
I can carry on & on healthy food recommendation against cancer...
c-J
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Gee, I guess I must have taken the wrong physiology classes.
Doc
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Hi.
Gee, I guess I must have taken the wrong physiology classes.
Doc
How "wrong" you think are those classes?
c-J
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Cancer cells feed on sugars.
Another simple recipe to stop cancer growing in our body is honey+cinnamon powder
doesn't honey have sugars in it?
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Fact: The body of an elderly man has only 60% water(acid, bad water).
I think this is not fact and actually 60% is the avg for a healthy adult.
Arthur Guyton 's Textbook of Medical Physiology states that "the total amount of water in a man of average weight (70 kilograms) is approximately 40 litres, averaging 57 percent of his total body weight. In a newborn infant, this may be as high as 75 percent of the body weight, but it progressively decreases from birth to old age, most of the decrease occurring during the first 10 years of life. Also, obesity decreases the percentage of water in the body, sometimes to as low as 45 percent".[1][2] These figures are statistical averages, so are illustrative, and like all biostatistics, will vary with things like type of population, age and number of people sampled, and methodology. So there is not, and cannot be, a figure that is exactly the same for all people, for this or any other physiological measure. For example, Jackson's (1985) Anatomy & Physiology for Nurses gives a figure of 60% for the proportion of body-weight attributable to water, which approximates Guyton's 57%.
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Hi.
doesn't honey have sugars in it?
Honey is supersaturarted with natural sugar, not those synthetic sugars used in pops & sweets.
It is probably the only food on this planet that does not go bad leaving on the shelf without refrigeration.
c-J
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Synthetic, is probably not the word to use. Refined would be more appropriate.
Honey is a very simple sugar, mostly fructose and glucose. The same sugar your body produces from more complex carbohydrates. It isn't, however as benign as you may think. Sugar is sugar as far as the body is concerned.
Doc
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Doc is right - sugar is sugar. Glucose is metabolized by every cell in your body, while fructose hits your liver in much the same way that alcohol does.
Since the liver is your primary means of detoxing substances, and the fact that dislipidemia start in the liver, probably best to avoid stuff that puts a strain on the liver. Which means honey, alcohol, table sugar, agave nectar, high fructose corn syrup.
On the other hand, stuff that has glucose but not a lot of fructose seems to be fairly benign. Potatoes, rice, root veggies, all can be metabolized without hitting the liver. As long as you are not insulin resistant or some form of diabetic, I am pretty certain that most starches are perfectly healthy.
Getting back to cancer, I do think eating processed foods (grains and sugars), does promote disease in humans, and that avoiding grains and sugar can help prevent developing something in the first place. BUT, there's a big difference between preventing and TREATING something once you have it. Please don't shun modern medicine if you have a serious disease like cancer. That's a mistake that Steve Jobs made, and I believe he paid for it with his life.
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Hi.
quote author=Tyson link=topic=113442.msg1181559#msg1181559 date=1358964080]
... Please don't shun modern medicine if you have a serious disease like cancer. That's a mistake that Steve Jobs made, and I believe he paid for it with his life. [/quote]
I am yet to read any curable cancer cases.
Is cancer curable???? My eye-witnessed the nitemare torture suffered by my youngest brother who died of final stage of skin cancer spread all over to his lungs. He took different latest cancer curing study medications in my city's specialty cancer hospital for a whole year. Still he passed away after suffering big bigtime. I feel extremely sorry for him.
Steve Jobs did not make such a fatal mistake as many think so. He knew too well his cancer was incurable which I fully agree to. He only wanted to spend his limited time of his life to do what he wanted to do. I think he had achieved.
I still recalled Jobs said the only thing he regretted he did not do was he did not spend enough time for his family. I fully agreed.
c-J
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I think the data show that we are clearly getting better at treating cancer over time.
(http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/prod_consump/groups/cr_common/@nre/@sta/documents/image/crukmig_1000img-12647.jpg)
Not perfect, and certainly we don't have a "cure", but given how much worse we are as a population in other health areas such as obesity, diabetes, and heart disease, it makes the improvements in cancer survival even more remarkable.
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I think the data show that we are clearly getting better at treating cancer over time.
Not perfect, and certainly we don't have a "cure", but given how much worse we are as a population in other health areas such as obesity, diabetes, and heart disease, it makes the improvements in cancer survival even more remarkable.
Data is only a statistic.
Wait until you get cancer one day (everyone will get it depending how sooner or later)...... I am NOT cursing, I am stating a fact.
The key question is: how can we handle cancer once we get it - medically & emotionally.
c-J
PS: believe it or not, I read a poster on life killing diseases in a public hospital - blood clot is the worst disease which kills lives more than heart attacks, cancers & HIV add together!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ya gotta die of something and everyone I know goes away in the end.
Doc
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Data is only a statistic.
Wait until you get cancer one day (everyone will get it depending how sooner or later)...... I am NOT cursing, I am stating a fact.
The key question is: how can we handle cancer once we get it - medically & emotionally.
c-J
So you're saying that people aren't living longer nowadays after getting cancer than they did in the past? That's my only point, that they are, because modern treatments are better. The data supports my point.
I'm not saying that it wouldn't suck to come down with pancreatic, brain, lung, or stomach cancer, because those are pretty much death sentences. But testicle, prostate, lymphoma, breast cancer, all seem pretty manageable.
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Hi.
I'm not saying that it wouldn't suck to come down with pancreatic, brain, lung, or stomach cancer, because those are pretty much death sentences. But testicle, prostate, lymphoma, breast cancer, all seem pretty manageable.
All depends how 'lucky' or unlucky one is when he/she gets cancer. It might be manageable if discovered
at very very initial stage.
Take prostate cancer as an example, my brother-in-law discoverd his postate level jumped a big too high.
He got check-up & found out it was very initial postate cancer. So he has had his postates removed 100%, It was only a few months back. So far so good. God bless him. Amen.
Another friend's husband got the same postate level getting a big too high. So he kept on checking periodically but he was diagnosed of having postate cancer. He fought his fatal disease for 3 years after
treated with the best study medications & finally passed away, leaving behind his young wife.
We never know. Hopefully, Warren Buffett knows better with his tons of wealth back him up.
c-J
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Obviously statistical odds are just that - statistical odds. But I'd much rather get cancer now, where the overall 10 year survival rate is 50% (averaging together all cancers), rather than in 1971, where it was about 20%. A 50% chance of surviving is a hell of a lot better than an 80% likelihood of dying.
In a sense, anyone surviving cancer is lucky. We just have more people surviving (and therefore "lucky") than we did in 1971.
As for me, I probably won't die of cancer, since I had a heart attack at 34 years old. Far more likely that I'll die of heart disease. No surprise there - Heart Disease kills 25% of the population, and cancer kills 25% also. That's half of all deaths between them. Every other cause of death is small potatoes compared to these 2.
Source of the info is page 9 of this document - http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_07.pdf
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Tyson, I remember following your posts after your heart attack. As I recall you talked about needing to go on a very strict diet. My doctor is a big proponent of the diet set out by Dr. Esselstyn in this book and has used it with success for both his patients and himself.
http://www.amazon.com/Prevent-Reverse-Heart-Disease-Nutrition-Based/dp/1583333002/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358974783&sr=8-1&keywords=cure+and+prevent+heart+disease
Do you follow something similar?
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Gee, I guess I must have taken the wrong physiology classes.
Doc
Right...
Green Tea helps removal sugars from cells, that are per-cancerous. Essentially when cancer breaks off from the localized area and spreads it may choose areas with the attached sugars, or rather be attracted to it. That is the interesting thing, when localized it appears to grow predictably, but when it breaks off and spreads it is a randomized processes. This is actually a great time to deal with in a sense (but that is a new area of exploration in science). These sugars are not dietary sugars such as glucose and sucrose (table sugar), but rather metabolic left-overs and such (advanced glycation end-products is one example).
What can you do?
First get your gut flora in order to keep your immune system up. The best way to do this is a combination of blood type and phenotype (or rather mostly phenotype, but blood type determines phenotype possibilities).
Treat your cells to encourage them to have proper function (cancer is essentially mis-scribed DNA). There are a lot of things that encourage better cellular metabolism and function. For example keeping things like programmed cell death functioning, as well as general metabolism is, well as you may imagine, important. The only thing we have that can actively do this is known as Trehalose.
Everything else is a bit more complicated with trying to convince proper cellular function and somewhat person specific. Histones, methylation, etc. But there are good modifiers (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19009557) such as Quercetin (http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP031)(NAP makes the best vitamins out there, people report taking significantly less dosages for same benefits).
That link I gave, the visit, supplements, etc, wouldn't even come close to one month worth of pills. We are talking hundreds of dollars, not thousands. All the information given would be something similar to what people are suggesting on the board here.
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Hi.
Yes, keeping our body AKALINE is the basic way to kick out cancer from our body.
One best way to keep our body from acidic is eat LESS meat, which makes our body acidic.
No coffee, no alcohol, no pops (no SUGAR), only GREEN tea is another effective way to stop cancers from growing inside our body. That's why I only drink GREEN tea any day!
Cancer cells feed on sugars. Less pops, less sweets help bigtime in cancer immunity.
Cancer cells which always exist in our body, which grows rapidly in non-oxygen environment. So to stop them from growing simply doing exercises - Oxygen bearing exercises - best OUTdoor - like jogging, hiking & outdoor workouts which take in fresh oxgyen.
Another simple recipe to stop cancer growing in our body is - honey+cinnamon powder (per a published medical paper). I use it as my toast spread for my breakfast DAILY instead of jam which is another processed food, should be avoided as much as possible.
I can carry on & on healthy food recommendation against cancer...
c-J
I feel coffee is good in small quantities per day but I not sure.
As it let the blood alkaline by the cafeine.
I would like to clear this coffee info. :scratch:
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I think this is not fact and actually 60% is the avg for a healthy adult.
Arthur Guyton 's Textbook of Medical Physiology states that "the total amount of water in a man of average weight (70 kilograms) is approximately 40 litres, averaging 57 percent of his total body weight. In a newborn infant, this may be as high as 75 percent of the body weight, but it progressively decreases from birth to old age, most of the decrease occurring during the first 10 years of life. Also, obesity decreases the percentage of water in the body, sometimes to as low as 45 percent".[1][2] These figures are statistical averages, so are illustrative, and like all biostatistics, will vary with things like type of population, age and number of people sampled, and methodology. So there is not, and cannot be, a figure that is exactly the same for all people, for this or any other physiological measure. For example, Jackson's (1985) Anatomy & Physiology for Nurses gives a figure of 60% for the proportion of body-weight attributable to water, which approximates Guyton's 57%.
This info I mention are new, from Dr.Lair Ribeiro in this lecture in 2010.
He also state it is a avarage(for babies and elderly) statistics.
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Tyson, I remember following your posts after your heart attack. As I recall you talked about needing to go on a very strict diet. My doctor is a big proponent of the diet set out by Dr. Esselstyn in this book and has used it with success for both his patients and himself.
http://www.amazon.com/Prevent-Reverse-Heart-Disease-Nutrition-Based/dp/1583333002/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358974783&sr=8-1&keywords=cure+and+prevent+heart+disease
Do you follow something similar?
Yes, I tried that for the first year or so after my heart attack. It was CERTAINLY better than the standard American diet I'd been eating before my heart attack. My results, as measured by HbA1C (a measure of 3 month rolling blood sugar levels), HDL, LDL, Triglycerides, blood pressure, were definitely improved. But they did not become optimal. Particularly HbA1C and low HDL's continued to be a problem, along with high-normal blood pressure (despite being on beta blockers).
So I tried a low carb "Paleo" diet to try to address these lingering issues. It did the trick, my HDL went up, my blood sugar came down, and my blood pressure dropped a lot, all while continuing to have excellent triglycerides and excellent LDL.
But I gotta tell you, doing low carb all the time is freaking hard. So this past year I added back in plant type starches in the form of potatoes, root veggies, even bananas. But I cut out all grains and way back on the sugar after watching/reading Dr. Lusting and Dr. Davis.
Net result? I maintained all my previous "excellent" results without having to be low carb. It's pretty much convinced me that "carbs" are not the problem, and they never were. The problem is (and always has been) grains and sugar. Ruthlessly excise them from your diet and you'll usually see the weight fall off, blood pressure drop, blood sugar drop, HDL go up, LDL go down, and triglycerides fall. In other words, give up the grains and sugar and you more or less cure "metabolic syndrome".
Of course, people are so addicted to grains and sugar, they cannot even fathom giving them up. "What will I eat?" and "I will NEVER give up wheat" are 2 common responses I hear when I suggest people give it a try. The few people I have managed to convince have all had pretty spectacular results.
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Sweet potato > potato
Your health will always be better.
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Tks for all these links.
I tried to look at them. This weekend should give me time to watch and read them in their entirety.
One note. my cancer was caught in an early stage, so hopefully this is a plus.
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I lost 100 lbs on pure low carb but my research over the last couple years has caused me to pivot towards the Paleo aspect a bit more.
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I lost 100 lbs on pure low carb but my research over the last couple years has caused me to pivot towards the Paleo aspect a bit more.
Low carb doesn't designate necessity for high meat, always. In fact some proponents of this died of colon cancer (even after writing books). One size fits all is dangerous.
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Hi.
Honey is supersaturarted with natural sugar, not those synthetic sugars used in pops & sweets.
It is probably the only food on this planet that does not go bad leaving on the shelf without refrigeration.
c-J
Peanut butter will stay "good" sans refrigeration for years. Many food items that are very low in water content can last for a long while at room temps.
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Tyson, pardon my ignorance, but by avoiding what foods will enable you to cut down on "grains" in your diet, other than, I suppose, bread?
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http://www.choosemyplate.gov/food-groups/grains.html
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Low carb doesn't designate necessity for high meat, always. In fact some proponents of this died of colon cancer (even after writing books). One size fits all is dangerous.
People that stick to low carb eating styles (like me) probably eat two or three times the veggies that you see in the SAD.
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Hi.
I feel coffee is good in small quantities per day but I not sure.
As it let the blood alkaline by the cafeine.
I would like to clear this coffee info. :scratch:
Yes, one can drink one & only one cup of coffee (preferrably with skimmed milk, very little or no sugar added) a day. It can keep our heart healthier, it is so reported. That's is what my wife doing daily though I seldom touch coffee, not for health reason. I hate the roasted coffee bean taste, that's all. Likewise, I don't like whisky as I hate the taste of roasted barley. I go for grape wines instead, on occasions only.
c-J
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Hi.
People that stick to low carb eating styles (like me) probably eat two or three times the veggies that you see in the SAD.
Yes, that's what a medical journal recommended which I follow loyally.
I used to have a fresh green salad side dish once everyday in the past years. Now being so busy, I only have 2 - 3 lunches every week with green salad.
Per that medical paper, veggie releases certain enzimes that will protect our healthy cells from cancer cells invasion. It must be fresh made green salad.
I don't go for any commercial salad dressings which are NOT healthy at all, IMO. I make my own salad dressing:- half an apple, half a tomato, an inch or so carrot (NO baby carrot 'fingers', please, which are kept 'fresh looking' with chlorine treatment - toxic!!!!!!!!!!!! :nono:). Also adding a bit of walnut & almond. All blended & mashed up in a grinder to form an all natural home-made salad dressing, fresh made for every salad meal. NO oil added, please.
My annual body checkup reports come up with flying colours year after year. I think I have done something right.
c-J
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Tyson, pardon my ignorance, but by avoiding what foods will enable you to cut down on "grains" in your diet, other than, I suppose, bread?
All types of bread - cupcakes, donuts, multigrain bagels, white bread, wheat bread, pasta, couscous, tortillas, crackers, wheat thins, croutons, soups or chili's thickened with flour (or started with a roux), gravies thickened with flour, cereal (and and all cereal), hamburger buns, hot dog buns, even soy sauce. Once you get serious about getting rid of it, you'll be shocked how many things it's actually in. Same with sugar - once you start cutting down on it, you'll be shocked to see how high it is in soooo many things.
Just with these two changes, you'll find that basically the entire middle portion of the grocery store is a place you never go into because it's ALL just some form of processed grains and/or sugar. Whole wheat vs refined, brown vs white, it does not matter, it is all quite bad for you.
As Rob noted, once you cut this stuff out, you end up eating WAY more veggies than the average American does, because that's all that's left TO eat. Veggies and eggs. Veggies and steak. Veggies and chicken. Veggies with fish. Asparagus wrapped in bacon! Salads with walnuts and shrimp. Fruit and nuts. Bunless hamburger with sweet potato oven fries. Talapia with a creamy saffron sauce with a side of mashed potatoes. Whole roasted chicken with a side of salted/roasted brussel sprouts. So, not boring stuff. Just no bread. Or pasta.
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I lost 100 lbs on pure low carb but my research over the last couple years has caused me to pivot towards the Paleo aspect a bit more.
100lbs!!!! That is Awesome man, congrats!
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Tyson,
Thanks to Mike G's advice/example and your comments here in the other thread, along with Dr. Davis' book, I've dropped about 60lbs since October and have never felt better.
Basically nothing derived from wheat/grains (a LOT of stuff) and refined sugars and pasta. Just a lot of meat/fish, leafy everything, nuts, berries, eggs for me. I quickly learned to shop the outside aisles of the market and the meat/fish counter. I haven't been hungry a single day like you would with various fad diets. My wife is a registered dietitian so it makes her crazy, but she's very happy just to see me lose the weight.
Labs and annual physical are in March so hopefully I'll see some improvement there too.
Tom
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low carb is not just for losing weight. I've always been underweight, but I went low carb 2 years ago, and sure feel a lot better.
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One of the things I find interesting about "low carb" is the possible link between insulin and cancer-cell growth. I don't have a weight problem, but I do have quite a bit of cancer in my family. Anything I can do within reason to improve my chances of not developing kidney or esophageal cancer is a plus. Of course, my GP is a little concerned about my cholesterol numbers since I switched to a diet that consists mainly of lots of fat and protein. But then again, there is no heart disease among my relations.
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Tyson,
Thanks to Mike G's advice/example and your comments here in the other thread, along with Dr. Davis' book, I've dropped about 60lbs since October and have never felt better.
Basically nothing derived from wheat/grains (a LOT of stuff) and refined sugars and pasta. Just a lot of meat/fish, leafy everything, nuts, berries, eggs for me. I quickly learned to shop the outside aisles of the market and the meat/fish counter. I haven't been hungry a single day like you would with various fad diets. My wife is a registered dietitian so it makes her crazy, but she's very happy just to see me lose the weight.
Labs and annual physical are in March so hopefully I'll see some improvement there too.
Tom
60lbs! Between you at 60, MikeG at 105, and Rob at 100, I'm starting to feel inadequate at my piddly little 40lbs :P But at 170lbs, I don't think there's much left I even want to lose at this point. The cool thing (that you will discover before long), is that keeping the weight off after you've lost it is relatively easy.
One other thing - while you are still actively losing weight, it can cause your lipid numbers to be out of whack. The best thing to do is make sure you are weight stable for about 3 months before you take any of your cholesterol numbers seriously. LDL in particular tends to spike during active weight loss. Just an FYI from my own experience.
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Hi.
low carb is not just for losing weight. I've always been underweight, but I went low carb 2 years ago, and sure feel a lot better.
It is a blessing to be underweight. :angel: as long as one is still healthy & enegetic!
I am underweight too. Yet I still work 70 hours a week, eat healthy (zero junk food!) & sleep well. I work out twice every week to maintain my vitality like a young man though I am not young any more.
It is a matter of mind determination to achieve what you intend to. Age is not in my equation of healthy life.
c-J
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Gut flora is the best way to keep the immune system up and cancer-seeking. There is nothing better to prevent cancer than a very healthy immune system. But we are all different; so needs are different (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/5774105/reload=0%3bjsessionid=2109683427FDDA3E947D28A84BF7BC3B). In fact we can be very different (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11578255?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum).
As far as red meat consumption goes there are reasons note to eat it depending on who you are. Also I wouldn't bother with pork (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8882406?dopt=Abstract). In fact if you are blood type A you don't even have the ability to digest (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7449139) saturated fats and cholesterol properly; so red meat wouldn't be so advisable.
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Hi.
As far as red meat consumption goes there are reasons note to eat it depending on who you are. Also I wouldn't bother with pork (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8882406?dopt=Abstract). so red meat wouldn't be so advisable.
I work out twice every week with weight. So some white meat, like chicken breast, is good for me.
BTW, I think the world still believes milk is a very wholesome food for everybody. After reading a medical paper on milk, with enzimes that may grow cancer cells in our intestines, I have given up dairy milk for a few years now, replacing it with soy milk plus calcium supplements for my breakfast.
To my surprise, I feel better with more energy than drinking milk.
As one Ph.D. nutritionist mentioned if animals all stop drinking milk after they grow up, so why not human beings??? :scratch:
c-J
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Yeah I never recommend milk. A friend is a school nurse person and tells parents to take their kids of milk to curb the massive flatulence. They are skeptical, most don't do it, but the ones that do say the blasts from their kids stop.
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Hi.
Yes, one can drink one & only one cup of coffee (preferrably with skimmed milk, very little or no sugar added) a day. It can keep our heart healthier, it is so reported. That's is what my wife doing daily though I seldom touch coffee, not for health reason. I hate the roasted coffee bean taste, that's all. Likewise, I don't like whisky as I hate the taste of roasted barley. I go for grape wines instead, on occasions only.
c-J
Thanks Bro.
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Tomoxifen causes cancer.
http://youtu.be/w3DFWdm_olM
Chemotherapy can inadvertently trigger cancer resistance
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/08/06/chemotherapy-can-inadvertently-trigger-cancer-resistance-and-growth/
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After being diagnosed with leukemia in September, I was shocked to learn the price of the pills to treat the cancer. One month supply of 30 tablets $5000.
Hi Prokennnex,
Just know today how important is the ozone therepy for the blood, ozone is O3(oxigene x 3).
Ozone is an antiviral, antimicrobial and antifungal agent as well. It has enormous power in slowing the aging process. Practically all bacteria are sensitive to ozone!
I aware only two types of oz therapy, but may be more:
1) In the jacuzzi bath water.
2) A machine that injects ozone into the blood, that looks good for you, this is a hospital procedure.
Some remarks:
"Ozone therapy has been successfully tested on 262 diseases." (Saul Pressman, Ph.D.)
"Ozone is the greatest discovery of modern chemistry" (Enrico Fermi - Italian, Nobel Prize for physics in 1938, was the greatest exponent of the physical world, having worked in the development of the largest power generator in the world of atomic particles).
In 1933 with the advancement and development of large multinational pharmaceutical companies worldwide, "American Medical Association issued a decision: That Eliminated all medical treatments were competitive to drug therapy(Headed by Morris Fishbein, 1933).
Dr. Otto Warburg, the only doctor to win a Medicine Nobel Prize twice in 1931/1944, published in his first prize work that ''THE CAUSE OF CANCER IS A DECREASE OF USE OXYGEN BY THE MITOCHONDRIA''.
Lance Armstrong used ozone therapy for his prostatic cancer.
Countries where this therapy is widely used:
Germany, France, Japan, Bulgaria, Hungary, Mexico, Canada, Cuba, Italy, Israel, Egypt, Poland, it is used in all government hospitals in Russia and Cuba for free.
Hope this help
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Ketogenic Diet May Be Key to Cancer Recovery
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/03/10/ketogenic-diet.aspx?e_cid=20130310_SNL_Art_1&utm_source=snl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130310
I keep watch on Mercola for any new discoveries to improve your health.
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Ketogenic Diet May Be Key to Cancer Recovery
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/03/10/ketogenic-diet.aspx?e_cid=20130310_SNL_Art_1&utm_source=snl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130310
I keep watch on Mercola for any new discoveries to improve your health.
Thanks, Tom, you the man.
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Thanks Jim, that is a very powerful article on cancer. A quote from the article,
"CBN News recently published an article on the ketogenic diet.2 Clearly, many people are realizing that what we have been doing in terms of fighting cancer is simply not working, and we cannot afford to continue in the same way. Prevention must be addressed if we ever want to turn the tide on the growing incidence of cancer across all age groups. But even more astounding, in terms of treatment, is that cancer may respond to diet alone.
“Dr. Fred Hatfield is an impressive guy: a power-lifting champion, author of dozens of books, a millionaire businessman with a beautiful wife. But he'll tell you his greatest accomplishment is killing his cancer just in the nick of time,” CBN News writes. "The doctors gave me three months to live because of widespread metastatic cancer in my skeletal structure," he recalled. "Three months; three different doctors told me that same thing."
Dr. Hatfield was preparing to die when he heard of metabolic therapy, also known as the ketogenic diet. He had nothing to lose so he gave it a try, and... it worked. The cancer disappeared completely, and at the time of his interview (above), he’d been cancer-free for over a year."
See the article for the interview.
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All I I know is if cancer comes to someone I know it's going to be talked to my doc about canabinoids and hemp oil.
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Hi.
....The cancer disappeared completely, and at the time of his interview (above), he’d been cancer-free for over a year."See the article for the interview.
Don't hold your breath yet, my friend.
Per a radiologist friend, who said medically 8-year period is the time to call a cancer cured. Like I had a 'minor' skin cancer on my right temple - basal cell which was discovered & removed some 9 years back. Thanks the Almighty it is a 'locallized' cancer which normally does not spread out. I think I can call my skin cancer cured.
One thing I don't understand, I seldom exposed myself to the sun.
Well, we never know!
c-J
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Hi.
Don't hold your breath yet, my friend.
Per a radiologist friend, who said medically 8-year period is the time to call a cancer cured. Like I had a 'minor' skin cancer on my right temple - basal cell which was discovered & removed some 9 years back. Thanks the Almighty it is a 'locallized' cancer which normally does not spread out. I think I can call my skin cancer cured.
One thing I don't understand, I seldom exposed myself to the sun.
Well, we never know!
c-J
And three doctors said he had no hope at all.
if you want to avoid skin cancer, get plenty of vitamin D from the sun. Roofers has the lowest cases of skin cancer than any profession, and they are in the sun all day. search on Mercola.com to find out.
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And three doctors said he had no hope at all.
if you want to avoid skin cancer, get plenty of vitamin D from the sun. Roofers has the lowest cases of skin cancer than any profession, and they are in the sun all day. search on Mercola.com to find out.
Of course, one should also be aware of alternative opinions. Australia, which is a very sunny country, has the highest rate of ski cancer in the world.
Actually I think it's very bad advice to recommend that you should roast yourself in the sun to help build up a resistance to skin cancer, especially if you have a light complexion. There are other ways of getting your dose of vitamin D.
http://top5ofanything.com/index.php?h=fb672e42
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Ketogenic Diet May Be Key to Cancer Recovery
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/03/10/ketogenic-diet.aspx?e_cid=20130310_SNL_Art_1&utm_source=snl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130310
I keep watch on Mercola for any new discoveries to improve your health.
Mercola has problems with honesty. Also he has displayed very clear misunderstandings of cancer, and energy use.
The body uses glucose to make ATP. When the body uses fats or protein, it is also still only making ATP. The Ketogenic diet having success has nothing to do with what he is suggesting (when and if it does work).
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Mercola has problems with honesty. Also he has displayed very clear misunderstandings of cancer, and energy use.
The body uses glucose to make ATP. When the body uses fats or protein, it is also still only making ATP. The Ketogenic diet having success has nothing to do with what he is suggesting (when and if it does work).
So what have you seen Mercola lie about?
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So what have you seen Mercola lie about?
For example (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/09/13/california-gmo-labeling.aspx), he should understand cancer as a doctor, but he actually displays that he has no clue in that link. Fungus? No.
Hes made strange claims for his Diabetes, about consuming high grain recommended by Dr. D'Adamo (which doesn't condone anything high grain by any means, just says some people are more tolerant).
Here is another article (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/06/08/dramatically-effective-new-natural-way-to-starve-cancer-and-obesity.aspx), talking about too many blood vessels?
He just repeatedly shows clear misunderstandings of serious stuff like cancer. Restrictive blood flow to tumors that already exist would work, but other things work on these small blood vessels too; you can't localize or make it healthy, the cancer could spread easier. Thing is, he should know and understand these things - and likely does.
Hes a total trendster.
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More on sunscreens and skin cancer. with video
http://www.healthy-holistic-living.com/sunscreens-exposed-9-surprising-truths.html?utm_source=MAM&utm_content=8170-SHJ7
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:D. You never see an old roofer anyway. They are all young and strong.
My old buddy roofed for years and he looks twice his age on his face.
BS all over the place .. :D
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RSO, Rick Simpson oil,,,,cannibus oil.
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Interesting tid bit...
My father goes to doctor here in Washington. They give him 1 pill he needed for something. $300
My father goes to doctor in Arkansas while visiting his brother, because no one seems to be able to help him in Washington (or willing to, and all appointments are months between). They give him the same pills. $6.43
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5 Illnesses Linked to Vitamin D Deficiency
https://www.everydayhealth.com/news/illnesses-linked-vitamin-d-deficiency/
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That is how big pharma makes there billions by over charging and making money off of peoples illnesses. Chemo therapy treatments is what makes them money, some doctors even get a cut if they push it on there patients. Ever wonder why cancer is more prevalent today then ever before? Billions of dollars into Cancer research and still no cure. Anyone trying to claim that herbal supplements can cure/treat cancer will be prosecuted by Big Pharma. Someone I know was diagnosed with TERMINAL CANCER meaning there is no cure or treatment that would change the fact that she is going to die YET they still kept on giving her Chemo treatments after the fact. Its all about the $$$$$$$$ There is so much Cancer now in the world that everyone knows of someone who had Cancer.
Before Cancer treatments one of the most expensive treatments were people who had the AIDS virus...Average AIDS patient meds are around 5k a month.
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That is how big pharma makes there billions by over charging and making money off of peoples illnesses. Chemo therapy treatments is what makes them money, some doctors even get a cut if they push it on there patients. Ever wonder why cancer is more prevalent today then ever before? Billions of dollars into Cancer research and still no cure. Anyone trying to claim that herbal supplements can cure/treat cancer will be prosecuted by Big Pharma. Someone I know was diagnosed with TERMINAL CANCER meaning there is no cure or treatment that would change the fact that she is going to die YET they still kept on giving her Chemo treatments after the fact. Its all about the $$$$$$$$ There is so much Cancer now in the world that everyone knows of someone who had Cancer.
Before Cancer treatments one of the most expensive treatments were people who had the AIDS virus...Average AIDS patient meds are around 5k a month.
I am an EM physician. While I agree that Pharm. Co's way over charge, especially in this country, you do not take into account the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars that go into R&D of drugs. In addition, the Co's have to put money away for product liability. Do the math, if a company spends two hundred million on R&D, they want to recoup their money quickly because there is a limited time window due to generics and the fact that new treatments may come along and displace their drug. Also, cancer drugs are not like antibiotics or blood pressure medication. They have limited roles and a limited patient population. They are not given every day to hundreds of millions of people. Please bear in mind, that I am not taking Big Pharma's side.
As far as herbal remedies for cancer, they have helped accelerate dying as they are bogus.
As far as finding a cure for cancer, there is no one cure as there are many different types of cancer with many different causes. They all have different treatments. And lets not forget that most cancer drugs are poisons and kill healthy cells. If a break though happens in cancer treatment it will not be for all cancers.
Yes, many patients undergo chemo for terminal cancer. Many terminal patients agree to undergo treatment as a last ditch effort to save or at least extend their lives, even if it is for just a few months. Many family members play a role in this because they can't let go. Unfortunately, many Oncologist's do a poor job of convincing patients not to do treatment. They are in a tough position because you are taking away a patients or families last bit of hope. You try being in that position and try living with it. It takes a special type of person. I have been in that position in the emergency dept. I have had many terminal patients come into the ER dying due to their disease or of a complication of their disease. Most of these patients have legal DNR's (do not resuscitate) on file, only to have them beg or family members beg to save their lives. Of course I always do what the patient wants and deal with the consequences later. Either way, you feel like crap afterwards.
Aids drugs are very similar, expensive R&D, high liability due to their myriad of side effects. They also have a very limited window for usability due to resistance and being displaced by newer and more effective drugs.
Just my 2 cents worth from a doctors point of view. I understand Big Pharma, but don't agree with the price gouging of most drugs, especially in the U.S..
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Tomoxifen causes cancer.
http://youtu.be/w3DFWdm_olM
Chemotherapy can inadvertently trigger cancer resistance
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/08/06/chemotherapy-can-inadvertently-trigger-cancer-resistance-and-growth/
Did you really post a FoxNews article and expect it to be true? :duh:
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I am an EM physician. While I agree that Pharm. Co's way over charge, especially in this country, you do not take into account the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars that go into R&D of drugs. In addition, the Co's have to put money away for product liability. Do the math, if a company spends two hundred million on R&D, they want to recoup their money quickly because there is a limited time window due to generics and the fact that new treatments may come along and displace their drug. Also, cancer drugs are not like antibiotics or blood pressure medication. They have limited roles and a limited patient population. They are not given every day to hundreds of millions of people. Please bear in mind, that I am not taking Big Pharma's side.
As far as herbal remedies for cancer, they have helped accelerate dying as they are bogus.
As far as finding a cure for cancer, there is no one cure as there are many different types of cancer with many different causes. They all have different treatments. And lets not forget that most cancer drugs are poisons and kill healthy cells. If a break though happens in cancer treatment it will not be for all cancers.
Yes, many patients undergo chemo for terminal cancer. Many terminal patients agree to undergo treatment as a last ditch effort to save or at least extend their lives, even if it is for just a few months. Many family members play a role in this because they can't let go. Unfortunately, many Oncologist's do a poor job of convincing patients not to do treatment. They are in a tough position because you are taking away a patients or families last bit of hope. You try being in that position and try living with it. It takes a special type of person. I have been in that position in the emergency dept. I have had many terminal patients come into the ER dying due to their disease or of a complication of their disease. Most of these patients have legal DNR's (do not resuscitate) on file, only to have them beg or family members beg to save their lives. Of course I always do what the patient wants and deal with the consequences later. Either way, you feel like crap afterwards.
Aids drugs are very similar, expensive R&D, high liability due to their myriad of side effects. They also have a very limited window for usability due to resistance and being displaced by newer and more effective drugs.
Just my 2 cents worth from a doctors point of view. I understand Big Pharma, but don't agree with the price gouging of most drugs, especially in the U.S..
That is hard stuff to deal with.
But I can say my dad is in his 70's. The average live span between his parents is 90. When he goes to a doctor (not for life threatening things) and they act like he'll be dead tomorrow and do nothing for him, who worked his whole life and is a veteran... That's not ok. The "what's the point" attitude runs a little too deep, probably spawned from all these situations where you literally can do nothing.
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That is hard stuff to deal with.
But I can say my dad is in his 70's. The average live span between his parents is 90. When he goes to a doctor (not for life threatening things) and they act like he'll be dead tomorrow and do nothing for him, who worked his whole life and is a veteran... That's not ok. The "what's the point" attitude runs a little too deep, probably spawned from all these situations where you literally can do nothing.
Sorry to hear that your dad has a crappy doctor. He should find a better one (one who listens and takes time) or a gerontologist (usually an Internal Medicine doctor who specialized in taking care of geriatric patients). Taking care of older patients is a difficult task. Many of the issues with aging are not treatable and many patients and family members don't want to accept this. I have to deal with this almost daily in my practice. I am turning a young 60 this year and while I don't consider myself old and I am in excellent health, I do feel my body aging and can relate to older patients, but I know what to expect.
Tell you dad to find another doctor or at least get a second opinion. Also, doctors today work for corporations and are scheduled to see patients every 12-15 minutes. Not enough time to sit and counsel your patient. To make things worse, we have to deal with an electronic medical record which slows things down and many doctors are looking at a computer screen as they talk to patients (I almost never open up the computer in a patients room). Therefore I suggest that your dad make a double appointment if has has some issues or concerns that he wants to discuss. Most doctors will do this.
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I think 'Cancer' is over-diagnosed.
Remember when in the 50's every kid had to have tonsils out?
Now? hardly.
Fads.
The over-diagnosis and over treatment of stuff only slightly like precancer gets the whole enchilada.
Particularly breast 'cancer' colon cancer, and skin cancer.
Then the treatment of terminal cancer.. Over the top attempts to extend life for even a few months, cost? millions.
I knew two folks who when their cancer returned, said NO to any more aggressive stuff being done. They were able to have a HAPPY final few months, Instead of a living hell.
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I think 'Cancer' is over-diagnosed.
Remember when in the 50's every kid had to have tonsils out?
Now? hardly.
Fads.
The over-diagnosis and over treatment of stuff only slightly like precancer gets the whole enchilada.
Particularly breast 'cancer' colon cancer, and skin cancer.
Then the treatment of terminal cancer.. Over the top attempts to extend life for even a few months, cost? millions.
I knew two folks who when their cancer returned, said NO to any more aggressive stuff being done. They were able to have a HAPPY final few months, Instead of a living hell.
Unfortunately, most people are afraid of death and will do anything to try and extend their life. The largest cost of healthcare in this country is in the last 6 months of life. Other countries are much better at dealing with end of life or near end of life care. However, it would never go over well in the good old USA. We are too afraid of death in this country and people think that there would be death squads or panels. Families are also unrealistic and can't let go.
I certainly do not agree that cancer is over diagnosed. Early detection is the best way to treat cancer, before it spreads to the lymph nodes. Skin, colon and breast cancer if diagnosed early can be cured 100%, many times with just surgery alone.
I do agree that we treat over aggressively but thats what the majority of the population wants (see my first post)
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I am an EM physician. While I agree that Pharm. Co's way over charge, especially in this country, you do not take into account the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars that go into R&D of drugs. In addition, the Co's have to put money away for product liability. Do the math, if a company spends two hundred million on R&D, they want to recoup their money quickly because there is a limited time window due to generics and the fact that new treatments may come along and displace their drug. Also, cancer drugs are not like antibiotics or blood pressure medication. They have limited roles and a limited patient population. They are not given every day to hundreds of millions of people. Please bear in mind, that I am not taking Big Pharma's side.
As far as herbal remedies for cancer, they have helped accelerate dying as they are bogus.
As far as finding a cure for cancer, there is no one cure as there are many different types of cancer with many different causes. They all have different treatments. And lets not forget that most cancer drugs are poisons and kill healthy cells. If a break though happens in cancer treatment it will not be for all cancers.
Yes, many patients undergo chemo for terminal cancer. Many terminal patients agree to undergo treatment as a last ditch effort to save or at least extend their lives, even if it is for just a few months. Many family members play a role in this because they can't let go. Unfortunately, many Oncologist's do a poor job of convincing patients not to do treatment. They are in a tough position because you are taking away a patients or families last bit of hope. You try being in that position and try living with it. It takes a special type of person. I have been in that position in the emergency dept. I have had many terminal patients come into the ER dying due to their disease or of a complication of their disease. Most of these patients have legal DNR's (do not resuscitate) on file, only to have them beg or family members beg to save their lives. Of course I always do what the patient wants and deal with the consequences later. Either way, you feel like crap afterwards.
Aids drugs are very similar, expensive R&D, high liability due to their myriad of side effects. They also have a very limited window for usability due to resistance and being displaced by newer and more effective drugs.
Just my 2 cents worth from a doctors point of view. I understand Big Pharma, but don't agree with the price gouging of most drugs, especially in the U.S..
What makes you think I did not take R&D into account? It cost millions for R&D but that is chump change for one bringing in the BILLIONS. They usually win product liability and or no one challenges them because majority of people don't have the funds....Generics and new treatments are still under big pharma. Cancer drugs like Chemo and radiation are the worst type of drugs as it kills off a persons immune system. The population of Cancer patients is growing more and more everyday. Maybe not hundreds of millions but around 30 million people world wide are diagnosed with cancer which is still a profitable amount and growing.
What you said about herbal supplements I find to be bogus as there are some that have proven without a doubt to help treat and cure people of there cancer.
I agree there is no one cure but it seems as if you think only Big Pharma has these so called cures while claiming holistic meds are bogus. Not only are chemo/radiation treatments poisoinous and kill healthy cells but they also kill off a persons IMMUNE SYSTEM which is the most important function in our body that keeps us alive. If there is a TRUE cure for Cancer it would be for all Cancers its just the delivery method will be different.
Now I will call bullshit on that as most Dr.s recommend Chemo treatment as the main or only type of treatment as you seem to have it backwards....Patients considered terminally ill have already done and gone through the treatments to no avail. Once labeled as terminally ill all medical treatments should stop and the patient can go to HOSPICE to DIE in peace.....But most doctors are in cahoots with big pharma and will keep on giving chemo to the patient regardless if the patient is terminally ill just to make $$$$$$$....I also think that DNR is flawed....unless one is terminally ill everyone should be resisitated. Organ recipients cant wait for a organ donor to die. LOL
Actually it should be from your point of view as not all doctors feel the same even if majority of them do.
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I think 'Cancer' is over-diagnosed.
Remember when in the 50's every kid had to have tonsils out?
Now? hardly.
Fads.
The over-diagnosis and over treatment of stuff only slightly like precancer gets the whole enchilada.
Particularly breast 'cancer' colon cancer, and skin cancer.
Then the treatment of terminal cancer.. Over the top attempts to extend life for even a few months, cost? millions.
I knew two folks who when their cancer returned, said NO to any more aggressive stuff being done. They were able to have a HAPPY final few months, Instead of a living hell.
Wow. Now I have heard it all. “Cancer” is over diagnosed. I don’t even know what to say.
The anti science sentiments on this website fit very well with audio foolery.
Doctors are crooks and cables should cost $5000. 🤣
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Saying you should not have pre cancerous conditions treated is like saying the dentist is only needed to fill cavities and pull teeth. Except you die.
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Sorry to hear that your dad has a crappy doctor. He should find a better one (one who listens and takes time) or a gerontologist (usually an Internal Medicine doctor who specialized in taking care of geriatric patients). Taking care of older patients is a difficult task. Many of the issues with aging are not treatable and many patients and family members don't want to accept this. I have to deal with this almost daily in my practice. I am turning a young 60 this year and while I don't consider myself old and I am in excellent health, I do feel my body aging and can relate to older patients, but I know what to expect.
Tell you dad to find another doctor or at least get a second opinion. Also, doctors today work for corporations and are scheduled to see patients every 12-15 minutes. Not enough time to sit and counsel your patient. To make things worse, we have to deal with an electronic medical record which slows things down and many doctors are looking at a computer screen as they talk to patients (I almost never open up the computer in a patients room). Therefore I suggest that your dad make a double appointment if has has some issues or concerns that he wants to discuss. Most doctors will do this.
He has requested different ones locally, and has been vocal about not being charged to see a specialist when he sees a PA. The VA isn't any better. He had lethal blood pressure and they didn't even tell him. It's down now through some changes in diet alone.
He has to drive 60 miles to see anyone else, including the VA.
So I totally understand... what I don't get is how pathetic diagnosis are these days. IMO first you look at the physical side to check if there are any clear abnormalities this includes scans. Then you check a comprehensive IGG/IGE/IGA (whatever you can get) and nutritional profile from blood work & urine. Ideally a stool test too, to examine the makeup. From there you can rule things out or modulate to correct things that are off, and see if problems that show no physical signs can be warded off. If you still got nothing you have to check the mental side. If you got nothing nothing and nothing, you need specialist help or a re-examine of the physical.
What you get is... "Hmm that's interesting" and a few pills. Doesn't work, try a few more pills. Ok obviously need different pills. OK we'll have someone look at the physical side. Right now we need to look at it with a scan of sorts. Ok we can't see anything, sorry, come back again so we can start all new pills. All spaced months apart.
Btw... he went down to Arkansas to see his brother. His sister in law worked many years with a doctor at a huge we-have-literally-everything facility. They got him in, and asked him questions. They drew blood, checked a few things. Then they did some kind of scan. What they found was some weaker arthritis that can be dealt with, with a little medication, but his spine was out of line around the neck and the arthritis was influencing it to stay out of alignment. He has a neckbrace and some medication for now. It's been 3 fucking years he had a headache because no one has been smart enough to look at his alignment (despite him asking for them to) or read scans well enough to see a single god damn thing on them... Everything was taken care of in a week down there. Now he can live his presumably next 15-20 years without a headache. I'm sure other things will bother him that we have no answer for, as getting old is getting old... but it doesn't have to be completely miserable.
I'll tell you that he has Crohns, and that probably won't go away unless he leaves the US for treatment, but the thing is... it blows me mind that when someone has a major digestive issue and is in their 70's, that the doctors in his home town don't even consider to look at nutritional balance.
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What makes you think I did not take R&D into account? It cost millions for R&D but that is chump change for one bringing in the BILLIONS. They usually win product liability and or no one challenges them because majority of people don't have the funds....Generics and new treatments are still under big pharma. Cancer drugs like Chemo and radiation are the worst type of drugs as it kills off a persons immune system. The population of Cancer patients is growing more and more everyday. Maybe not hundreds of millions but around 30 million people world wide are diagnosed with cancer which is still a profitable amount and growing.
What you said about herbal supplements I find to be bogus as there are some that have proven without a doubt to help treat and cure people of there cancer.
I agree there is no one cure but it seems as if you think only Big Pharma has these so called cures while claiming holistic meds are bogus. Not only are chemo/radiation treatments poisoinous and kill healthy cells but they also kill off a persons IMMUNE SYSTEM which is the most important function in our body that keeps us alive. If there is a TRUE cure for Cancer it would be for all Cancers its just the delivery method will be different.
Now I will call bullshit on that as most Dr.s recommend Chemo treatment as the main or only type of treatment as you seem to have it backwards....Patients considered terminally ill have already done and gone through the treatments to no avail. Once labeled as terminally ill all medical treatments should stop and the patient can go to HOSPICE to DIE in peace.....But most doctors are in cahoots with big pharma and will keep on giving chemo to the patient regardless if the patient is terminally ill just to make $$$$$$$....I also think that DNR is flawed....unless one is terminally ill everyone should be resisitated. Organ recipients cant wait for a organ donor to die. LOL
Actually it should be from your point of view as not all doctors feel the same even if majority of them do.
Show me evidence of herbal remedies that work. Post them here for every one to see. Do you really think that doctors and the National Institute of Health would hide the fact that they work? Make me a believer. I have seen so many patients that have gone the herbal route and died much sooner. False hope.
Of course radiation and drugs know off the immune system, that is the way the work. They target rapidly reproducing cells. How else do you think you kill rapidly dividing cancer cells. The next big thing in cancer treatment is immunotherapy, taking parts of cancer cells and making vaccines or antibodies to attack the cells.
Most doctors are not in cahoots with big pharma. I don't know any that are. Most doctors work for hospitals and most hospitals don't let pharm reps in any more. And many terminal patients seek out other Oncologists as a last ditch effort to save themselves. I saw it weekly when I still worked in the ER. (I retired from the ER after 25 years and now work in an Urgent Care) Now I see it a few times a year.
Of course there is more cancer today. People are living longer and there are over 7.5 billion people on the earth as we speak. People have poor diets and our environment sucks with all the chemicals we are exposed to.
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Here's some interesting data re: cancer deaths. You can see that death rates from cancers is actually falling over time.
(https://d33wubrfki0l68.cloudfront.net/3afdaaf61c81fbec0093fb6d11e3a3625b4b2a06/409c5/exports/cancer-death-rates-by-type_v1_850x600.svg)
BUT, the big caveat is you must correct for a few factors, not least of which is an aging population. Once you do, you can see that we are, in fact, getting better at treating it. Here's a LOT more detail on the statistics and overall methodology:
https://ourworldindata.org/cancer
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Show me evidence of herbal remedies that work. Post them here for every one to see. Do you really think that doctors and the National Institute of Health would hide the fact that they work? Make me a believer. I have seen so many patients that have gone the herbal route and died much sooner. False hope.
Of course radiation and drugs know off the immune system, that is the way the work. They target rapidly reproducing cells. How else do you think you kill rapidly dividing cancer cells. The next big thing in cancer treatment is immunotherapy, taking parts of cancer cells and making vaccines or antibodies to attack the cells.
Most doctors are not in cahoots with big pharma. I don't know any that are. Most doctors work for hospitals and most hospitals don't let pharm reps in any more. And many terminal patients seek out other Oncologists as a last ditch effort to save themselves. I saw it weekly when I still worked in the ER. (I retired from the ER after 25 years and now work in an Urgent Care) Now I see it a few times a year.
Of course there is more cancer today. People are living longer and there are over 7.5 billion people on the earth as we speak. People have poor diets and our environment sucks with all the chemicals we are exposed to.
You can find the info on your own but I will list one that was already discussed on here called ALKALINE DIET. Yes I really do believe most doctors and most national institutes funded by the companies with billions of dollars would hide any fact that does not make them any money.
Its ironic for you to see so many patients go the herbal/natural route when majority of main stream doctors do not even consider NOR recommmend the holistic approach at all..The main treatment majority of Dr.s prescribe is chemo/radiation...Only a holistic Dr. would recommend such a thing, maybe you are holistic doctor?
At least you know radiation treatment kills ones immune system..... After receiving radiation treatment from there doctors FAIL most cancer patients turn to holistic approach as the last resort. The problem with that is once the radiation had destroyed most of your immune system no holistic approach can cure you. Most people don't realize that ones immune system is plays the most important role in healing of ones body then any known medicine out there and without a immune system we die. Immunotherapy is using or enhancing ones own immune system to fight off the cancer. BUT if the chemo therapy already decimated most of your immune system then it wont work. SMDH
Most Doctors are in cahoots with anything that has to do with money in there field including big pharma/insurance companies etc etc.... I know a lot that are in the field. Most don't let them in "anymore"? LOL SURE THEY DO. :lol: most seek a oncologist as a last resort??? more like first resort as that is whats pushed on them from the start by there PCP as its standard procedure for one with Cancer.
Percentage wise there is more cancer today then before....I do agree with you about the DIET and Pollutants/chemicals causing cancer.
Doctor says Ive got some good news and some bad news which one do you want to hear first....I said good news.....doc said well the good news is you have cancer and you have only 6 months to live......I was dumb founded and shocked and said if that's the good news what is the bad news....the doc replied that bad news is I forgot to tell you this 6 months ago. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Do you know what a doctor will never forget? He wont ever forget to mail you his BILL. LMAO
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You can find the info on your own but I will list one that was already discussed on here called ALKALINE DIET. Yes I really do believe most doctors and most national institutes funded by the companies with billions of dollars would hide any fact that does not make them any money.
Its ironic for you to see so many patients go the herbal/natural route when majority of main stream doctors do not even consider NOR recommmend the holistic approach at all..The main treatment majority of Dr.s prescribe is chemo/radiation...Only a holistic Dr. would recommend such a thing, maybe you are holistic doctor?
At least you know radiation treatment kills ones immune system..... After receiving radiation treatment from there doctors FAIL most cancer patients turn to holistic approach as the last resort. The problem with that is once the radiation had destroyed most of your immune system no holistic approach can cure you. Most people don't realize that ones immune system is plays the most important role in healing of ones body then any known medicine out there and without a immune system we die. Immunotherapy is using or enhancing ones own immune system to fight off the cancer. BUT if the chemo therapy already decimated most of your immune system then it wont work. SMDH
Most Doctors are in cahoots with anything that has to do with money in there field including big pharma/insurance companies etc etc.... I know a lot that are in the field. Most don't let them in "anymore"? LOL SURE THEY DO. :lol: most seek a oncologist as a last resort??? more like first resort as that is whats pushed on them from the start by there PCP as its standard procedure for one with Cancer.
Percentage wise there is more cancer today then before....I do agree with you about the DIET and Pollutants/chemicals causing cancer.
Doctor says Ive got some good news and some bad news which one do you want to hear first....I said good news.....doc said well the good news is you have cancer and you have only 6 months to live......I was dumb founded and shocked and said if that's the good news what is the bad news....the doc replied that bad news is I forgot to tell you this 6 months ago. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Do you know what a doctor will never forget? He wont ever forget to mail you his BILL. LMAO
You are nuts to think that doctors are in cahoots and take money. There may be a few but most are honest hard working people trying to help people. You probably are the type to believe in conspiracies. I have dealt with many patients like you who glean their misguided and mostly incorrect info from the internet. Google knows all. You are probably one of those people who believe that vaccines are bad and the flu vaccine does not work and is just a conspiracy by the drug companies.
I am done here as there is nothing that anyone can say that can convince you or to prevent your childish responses that can't be backed up with real information except for hearsay evidence as opposed to evidenced based medicine
Have a nice life. I am going to buy an Island from all the money I get from the drug companies.
By the way Tyson, thanks for posting the graph. We are saving more people than ever from dying from cancer and new and better treatments are on the horizon.
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You are nuts to think that doctors are in cahoots and take money. There may be a few but most are honest hard working people trying to help people. You probably are the type to believe in conspiracies. I have dealt with many patients like you who glean their misguided and mostly incorrect info from the internet. Google knows all. You are probably one of those people who believe that vaccines are bad and the flu vaccine does not work and is just a conspiracy by the drug companies.
I am done here as there is nothing that anyone can say that can convince you or to prevent your childish responses that can't be backed up with real information except for hearsay evidence as opposed to evidenced based medicine
Have a nice life. I am going to buy an Island from all the money I get from the drug companies.
Doctors are in cahoots its just facts you want to deny. Honest doctors are the ones that really actually care for there patients by going above and beyond which are a far and few inbetween. Most doctors dont really give a shit about there patients. To most its just a JOB....Ask any one who wants to become a doctor and ask them if they are doing it just because they care about peoples health/life and or are they just doing it for money and status...You are the type to believe what ever is main stream. My info does not come from the internet or google but actual experience of many many people including myself, family members and friends that have all experienced all that bullshit from Doctors main stream bullshit practices. My uncle (godfather uncle not real uncle) is a Doctor IM for over 50 years and is close to 80 and still working.
No not all vaccines are bad as some benefits out weight the negative side effects.....Flu Vaccines efficacy is very questionable....I know 3 people in my family and 2 other people not related to me that went to the Dr. and the Dr. said oh you just have the flu and then they tell the doctor how can that be when I just got the flu shot 3-7 months ago and the Dr. either tries to make a excuse, change the subject or just compeletely ingores them...one of the doc said oh you know the flu changes so you must not have gotten the recent one and she said no you told me yourself that this is the newest vaccine on the market SMDH LMAO she said you could hear the crickets in the room :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:...its funny how you think there is no conspiracy with drugs companies as if they have never ever done anything wrong. SMDH
The Dr.s oath use to be responsible for curing ones patient now days the Dr.s oath is its not there responsibility to cure anyone.
Childish responses? pssshhhh LOL I can back it up easily with real information based on real scientific studies and actual testimonies
I never said the drug companies will make doctors rich but enjoy your complementary stay at the bahamas or hawaii courtesy of Big Pharma. LMAO
Here is a fairly recent true story that happend within the past couple months of one of my family members.....talked with the doc to do minor same day surgery and it was set up for the next day.....we go down there to get the surgery and the nurses told us the attending doc for the surgery called in sick and we said we were never notified so they apologized....I talked to my Uncle who actually KNOWS that dr. who was suppose to do the surgery that day if he was really sick , he said no its bullshit as its common practice for Dr.s to take off for social meetings that can boost there social status....We seen him the following day and he apologized saying he was sick and feeling nasious but I know for a fact he was fricking lying as my uncle was there at this so called social {GOLF) meeting. SMDH....My uncle says even Drs have there code of silence meaning Drs. dont squeal on other doctors just like cops dont squeal on the bad cops...BUT when someones loved ones LIFE is on the line they should be exposed.
My dads doctor is the typical I do it because its a job mentality as he does not go above and beyond for anyone but somehow he won best Dr. of the year award in our state, can you believe that shit as if it werent RIGGED??? LMAO.... his status has been boosted and he will now get a shit load of new patients/clients to soak dry. SMDH
I have hundreds of peoples/patients real life experiences/testimonies that I have heard personally including DRs , nurses or anyone working in the ER/Hospitals/Clinics etc.
Doctors and clinics are now charging patients $20.00 for no shows to there appoinment....but if a doctor does not show up can I charge him $20.00 for wasting my time on my only day off a week?
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Bendingwave,
Time for you to take a rest. :nono:
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Bendingwave,
Time for you to take a rest. :nono:
Why do you make it seem like I am the ONLY one that is wrong/at fault or involved????? Maybe you are biased?
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No more post in this topic for a while,
it has been very informative for years.
Thanks for understanding.
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Moderator: Please specify what you want admin to do with this thread that you moved to Quarantine?
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If possible lock it and return to the Health and Fitness Circle.
It will be a good source of info on the subject. Thanks