Removing M3 Grill Covers?

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DaveWin88

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Re: Removing M3 Grill Covers?
« Reply #20 on: 10 Jun 2022, 10:36 pm »
I’m struggling with the physics of all this. It’s just a thin piece of fabric, acoustically transparent at that. The wavelengths of the frequencies from those woofers are so long that I would love someone to explain how removing the grills can improve detail.


You know Tangram. I unplugged the M100 (tweeter on the M6) and played a track with just the woofers and was pretty shocked at how little? mid range information in my mind was coming out of the two speakers. So with that being said, it wasn't what I was expecting. I figured the grill removal might aid in the mids but maybe not so much?

Alex-San

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« Reply #21 on: 10 Jun 2022, 11:31 pm »
I’m struggling with the physics of all this. It’s just a thin piece of fabric, acoustically transparent at that. The wavelengths of the frequencies from those woofers are so long that I would love someone to explain how removing the grills can improve detail.

As we all know, physics and audiophilia are two very distinct disciplines.

dket

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Re: Removing M3 Grill Covers?
« Reply #22 on: 11 Jun 2022, 01:39 am »
Tangram,
I too thought this could maybe be a placebo effect after removing the grills.  But a day after with more listening I'm hearing a cleaner and more enjoyable sound.
Here is a helpful test.  Hold up a grill and put your hand behind it and blow through it.  Then, blow straight on your hand at the same distance from your mouth without the grill.  You will notice two things. First, the difference in the amount or air reaching your hand and second, the sound of the air blowing on your hand.  The speaker grill is definitely a veil.

Mr. Big

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Re: Removing M3 Grill Covers?
« Reply #23 on: 11 Jun 2022, 02:12 pm »
Tangram,
I too thought this could maybe be a placebo effect after removing the grills.  But a day after with more listening I'm hearing a cleaner and more enjoyable sound.
Here is a helpful test.  Hold up a grill and put your hand behind it and blow through it.  Then, blow straight on your hand at the same distance from your mouth without the grill.  You will notice two things. First, the difference in the amount or air reaching your hand and second, the sound of the air blowing on your hand.  The speaker grill is definitely a veil.

The big question is this, if the speaker was designed and voiced with the grills on, then taking them off will throw the balance off. But then you might like it. I've owned speakers without the grills on your run from the room. I look at the designer knowing what they are doing.

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Re: Removing M3 Grill Covers?
« Reply #24 on: 11 Jun 2022, 05:37 pm »
The big question is this, if the speaker was designed and voiced with the grills on, then taking them off will throw the balance off. But then you might like it. I've owned speakers without the grills on your run from the room. I look at the designer knowing what they are doing.

Most speaker designers I've talked to design their speakers with the grills off.  And offer the grills only as a compromise option for people that cannot have the bare drivers showing (the dreaded WAF).

Tangram

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Re: Removing M3 Grill Covers?
« Reply #25 on: 12 Jun 2022, 01:29 am »
I’d be interested to know if Clayton voices his speakers with the grills on or off. I would think, given that the grills don’t come off easily (a la Harbeth), it’s the former.