Supporting DSD files via BDP-1 or BDP-2

zybar · « **on:** 4 Sep 2013, 08:05 pm »

James or Chris,

Will you be supporting the playing of DSD files anytime soon?

Thanks,

George

ted_b · « **Reply #1 on:** 4 Sep 2013, 10:09 pm »

George,
A workaround may be to see if the players will allow for a DoP-embedded FLAC file, like what some are doing with EDO'd Squeezeboxes.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119364.msg1255283#msg1255283

skunark · « **Reply #2 on:** 4 Sep 2013, 10:26 pm »

Since the BDP allows you to select the MPD 17.0 version, support for DSD is already there, at least beta if it's not officially announce. You just need a DSD DAC that support DoP.

ted_b · « **Reply #3 on:** 4 Sep 2013, 10:58 pm »

Quote from: skunark on 4 Sep 2013, 10:26 pm

Since the BDP allows you to select the MPD 17.0 version, support for DSD is already there, at least beta if it's not officially announce. You just need a DSD DAC that support DoP.

Ah, good point. Yes, I ran MPD 17.0 with Auraliti, and it transported DSD(via DoP) wonderfully.

unincognito · « **Reply #4 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 12:58 am »

Quote from: skunark on 4 Sep 2013, 10:26 pm

Since the BDP allows you to select the MPD 17.0 version, support for DSD is already there, at least beta if it's not officially announce. You just need a DSD DAC that support DoP.

Although MPD 0.17.2 supports DSD, our kernel doesn't; meaning if we do introduce DSD support it won't be until manic moose is released.

Cheers,
Chris

ted_b · « **Reply #5 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 01:07 am »

So what about passing DoP'd FLAC?

skunark · « **Reply #6 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 05:37 am »

Quote from: unincognito on 5 Sep 2013, 12:58 am

Although MPD 0.17.2 supports DSD, our kernel doesn't; meaning if we do introduce DSD support it won't be until manic moose is released.

Cheers,
Chris

Hopefully BDA-3 will be released too?

john1970 · « **Reply #7 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 10:20 am »

Hi James and Chris,

I would be very interested in knowing as well if the BDP-2/BDA-2 will support DSD anytime soon. I know that the DACs in the BDA-2 can decoded DSD so if I remember correctly it was mainly a software development project.

Cheers,
John

zybar · « **Reply #8 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 03:12 pm »

Quote from: ted_b on 5 Sep 2013, 01:07 am

So what about passing DoP'd FLAC?

I don't believe so.

George

James Tanner · « **Reply #9 on:** 6 Sep 2013, 12:11 am »

Hi Folks,

Until we release the new BDP-2 software (Manic Moose) we will not be able to decode DSD.

james

john1970 · « **Reply #10 on:** 6 Sep 2013, 12:26 am »

Quote from: James Tanner on 6 Sep 2013, 12:11 am

Hi Folks,

Until we release the new BDP-2 software (Manic Moose) we will not be able to decode DSD.

james

Hi James,

Thank you for the update. Do you know when you expect the new software to be released? There is no rush on my end because 95+% of my music is non-DSD.

Cheers,
John

James Tanner · « **Reply #11 on:** 6 Sep 2013, 03:47 am »

Quote from: john1970 on 6 Sep 2013, 12:26 am

Hi James,

Thank you for the update. Do you know when you expect the new software to be released? There is no rush on my end because 95+% of my music is non-DSD.

Cheers,
John

Hi John

Chris is working on it now but I am restricted from beating him more than twice a day !

james

Marius · « **Reply #12 on:** 6 Sep 2013, 07:23 am »

Hi James,

Great to see your considering still DSD-support. Still, don't wait too long... http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/high-resolution-audio. Or the Lumin and ExaSound products on http://www.computeraudiophile.com homepage for that matter.

Seems hires multiformat audio and user-experience/convenience finally reached a breakthrough, and competition is getting tougher by the day.

Cheers,
Marius

James Tanner · « **Reply #13 on:** 6 Sep 2013, 01:51 pm »

Quote from: Marius on 6 Sep 2013, 07:23 am

Hi James,

Great to see your considering still DSD-support. Still, don't wait too long... http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/high-resolution-audio. Or the Lumin and ExaSound products on http://www.computeraudiophile.com homepage for that matter.

Seems hires multiformat audio and user-experience/convenience finally reached a breakthrough, and competition is getting tougher by the day.

Cheers,
Marius

Yes it looks like finally products like the BDP are gaining acceptance.

The market has come a long way since we first introduced the idea of the BDP and the playing of high resolution files.

james

James Tanner · « **Reply #14 on:** 6 Sep 2013, 02:00 pm »

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie View Post
There are posted articles on this forum from James re DSD, you may search on DSD, the articles are not that old.

And here is another one...
http://www.audioaficionado.org/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhd-audio.com%2F%3Fp%3D1505

Technically PCM is better, but off course Sony and others interested in making money will market DSD as the audiophile format that people serious about sound should be buying. Unfortunately.

Bryston SP3' Bryston 6b-sst, 3b-sst, BDA-2, Dynaudio Confidence C2 (front), Dynaudio SCX (center), Dynaudio Audience (rears), ocos speaker cables, Vertere USB D-FI DD and most Bryston interconnect cables

Hi Ollie

It is difficult as a manufacturer to try and provide our customers with the latest and greatest but juggling that with the realities of the science vs the power of large companies to affect the buyer is a tough one.

james

klao · « **Reply #15 on:** 6 Sep 2013, 05:46 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 6 Sep 2013, 12:11 am

Hi Folks,

Until we release the new BDP-2 software (Manic Moose) we will not be able to decode DSD.

james

Would the Manic Moose software be able to install in BDP-1 and decode DSD as well, James?

Thanks.

James Tanner · « **Reply #16 on:** 7 Sep 2013, 05:08 am »

Quote from: klao on 6 Sep 2013, 05:46 pm

Would the Manic Moose software be able to install in BDP-1 and decode DSD as well, James?

Thanks.

I think so but I will leave this for Chris to answer.

james

R. Daneel · « **Reply #17 on:** 8 Sep 2013, 02:15 pm »

After the release of Manic Moose for the BDP, how long would we wait for the DSD software upgrade for the BDA2 DAC? It is reasonable to assume that most people with a BDP also own a BDA2 and would like to have DSD-capable system.

Cheers!
Antun

James Tanner · « **Reply #18 on:** 8 Sep 2013, 02:18 pm »

Quote from: R. Daneel on 8 Sep 2013, 02:15 pm

After the release of Manic Moose for the BDP, how long would we wait for the DSD software upgrade for the BDA2 DAC? It is reasonable to assume that most people with a BDP also own a BDA2 and would like to have DSD-capable system.

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

I really do not know as we are still looking at what software is needed to do DSD on the DAC and the licensing issues involved.

james

R. Daneel · « **Reply #19 on:** 8 Sep 2013, 02:40 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 8 Sep 2013, 02:18 pm

Hi Antun

I really do not know as we are still looking at what software is needed to do DSD on the DAC and the licensing issues involved.

james

Hi James!

Perhaps it would help to see which other DSD-capable DACs that use the same or similar hardware are out there.

Fostex HPA-A8 comes to mind because it uses the very same AK4399 converter (just not two of them) and supports DSD from both SD card and over USB. I don't know about the Lynx Hilo converter as it's hardware is undoubtedly different but then, it has an open-source interface and so could be easier to study.

I think DSD is not really so much of a necessity from sound quality perspective but rather the wish of industry to induce yet another cost on us by making us believe it is something we need. I'd much rather they perfect the PCM technique. But if you are going to have a DSD-capable BDP, it would still be nice if both the BDP and BDA had this capability.

Cheers!
Antun