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We can't have an intelligent conversation if you disregard state and national laws that are firmly rooted in the Constitution. It's like talking with someone who swears unicorns are real, but when you correct them with facts and science, they demand more proof when they have no evidence whatsoever to support their claim that unicorns exist.
...Most of the vaccinated don't want to go, the un-vaccinated just want to be included, and the rest here are people who just jumped to this thread to insult people and trash this thread.
Obviously you weren't near a Florida hospital in August or September
Apparently you don't understand what you read; the unvaccinated are free to go, they merely have to wear a mask (just like the vaccinated) and provide a negative COVID test.
Then, why would you fire doctors and nurses if it is that bad?Again: heroes last year, garbage this year.
... So what makes certain parts of the hotel special?
I'm still (patiently) waiting for an answer to my question. It touches on constitutional rights, which I figured you'd be pretty comfortable answering. I'll re-post it here, in case you forgot:So as best I can tell you either:a) Don't think that this is true that your rights end when they result in harm to othersorb) You don't think staying un-vaxxed puts others in harm's waySo which is it? Or is it both?
Do you think getting the vax will protect you from spreading Covid? Natural immunity has no defense on ones health?1. One person get's vaccinated - picks up Covid and brings it to CAF.2. One person dosn't get vaccinated but has natural immunity - picks up Covid and brings it to CAFExplain how the non-vaccinated is the bad guy?
Nope, simply good medicine. If you can't understand the reasoning that is your problem.
..2. One person dosn't get vaccinated but has natural immunity
It is "good medicine" to reduce the amount of qualified medical personnel? it is not like you can replace these professionals like that. They are not cheap labor. What about the emergency room over-runs?
Before we get to the vax specific questions, can we at least establish (firmly) that you are free to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't result in harm to others? Do you agree with that?
implicit in this question is how does one demonstrate natural immunity?
The answer to this complicated, but boils down to not putting patients at increased risk. If you have education in virology, infectious disease and immunology you will understand the logical steps leading to this conclusion.
Of course. I said that to the other guy. If I am sick, I will not attend CAF. I have to rest. You guys seem to think that just because people don't want to be vaccinated, our intent is intentionally harm people. It is not. Can you answer my latest question: does being vaccinated ensure that you don't spread Covid?
Let's make it simple: one does not get sick or die.And can we keep responses together?Those same medical personnel risk their lives for a year and a half. Aren't the patients the risk since they are the ones with Covid?The medical personnel should be the ones worried.
Hey, we agree on something, see that's great! So, we agree that you are free to do what you want as long as you don't put others in harm's way. I will answer your question in a bit, I promise. But I feel like we haven't established enough basic common ground yet. We've made headway so far (and even come to an agreement!), so let's continue. Now, how about that vaccine. Do you think it actually works? If people get the shot, does it actually reduce their chance to get sick by 10x? What's your thoughts?
Do you think you actually responded to either of these issues?Not everyone in the hospital or ER has COVID, and those patients should not have to risk getting it from hospital workers. "Not getting sick or dying" has no correlation with immunity to COVID19.