Magneplanar .7

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kelecoleman

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Magneplanar .7
« on: 15 Aug 2024, 02:43 am »
Hello, new member here.  Just got the Magnepan .7 upgrade kit. Can’t wait to get into it.

I’ll post something about it, eventually.

AK-Grwn_v2

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Re: Magneplanar .7
« Reply #1 on: 18 Aug 2024, 05:08 am »
Good luck!

Danny Richie

Re: Magneplanar .7
« Reply #2 on: 20 Aug 2024, 03:49 am »
That's great. Let me know if you need anything during the build.

kelecoleman

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Re: Magneplanar .7
« Reply #3 on: 8 Sep 2024, 04:33 pm »
Very interesting going so far.  Opened my left speaker to start the documentation process and found a large crack in the mdf frame of the speaker.  I never heard anything to indicate that this was the case.  So I glued and screwed it back into place. 

Another interesting find that I sought Danny's counsel on yesterday (yes, he did reply very quickly on a Saturday).  Thanks again Danny.  The crossovers of the L and R speaker are identical and have the same color wire coming from the crossover; coming from the same point in the crossover but not going to the same driver terminals.  G R Research supplies you with a drawing of the crossover you are going to build (of course) but they also supplied me with a very well done drawing of the wiring as it came from the factory, making it very easy to see what is going where.

Danny told me it was due to the mirror-image design of the speakers that the speakers were wired opposite to one another from the crossover to the driver terminals.  Because I am a naturally curious guy, I swapped the right speaker driver wiring to match the left and, of course, they now played out of phase.

I will be using 1/4" plywood for the new crossover board and putting the crossovers in a spouse-approved bamboo box. I'll glue and zip-tie the components to the board and all connections will be soldered.  Of course I will be using the tube connectors supplied with the kit.  I will be using brass terminal connectors at the drivers until I can test and verify my build and install. 

I won't be submitting any pictures of the drawings or parts I got with the G R Research upgrade kit I bought unless Danny expressly responds that it would be okay.  But I will say that the capacitor has been tested and the actual capacitance is written on the cap; nice touch.









David A

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Re: Magneplanar .7
« Reply #4 on: 8 Sep 2024, 06:21 pm »
Thank you for sharing the details of your Maggie .7 crossover upgrade with the GR Research kit!  I am thinking about the LRS Plus upgrade.  I will be very interested to learn your impressions of the .7's sonic characteristics before and after the GR Research upgrade.

kelecoleman

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Re: Magneplanar .7
« Reply #5 on: 13 Sep 2024, 05:15 pm »
I should have my brass terminals next week.  I should be able to get the majority of the over build done this weekend save for some crimping.  I would love to plug them in next weekend and see what happens.  I'll let you know.

kelecoleman

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Re: Magneplanar .7
« Reply #6 on: 15 Sep 2024, 03:01 am »
Danny, can I solder the mid-panel negative lead to the bottom of the tweeter inductor?  The bottom of the tweeter inductor is getting signal from the negative input.

To me, the novice, it looks like this would feed the tweeter circuit to the mid-panel.

Thank you

Hobbsmeerkat

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Re: Magneplanar .7
« Reply #7 on: 16 Sep 2024, 03:48 pm »
Danny, can I solder the mid-panel negative lead to the bottom of the tweeter inductor?  The bottom of the tweeter inductor is getting signal from the negative input.

To me, the novice, it looks like this would feed the tweeter circuit to the mid-panel.

Thank you

The negative return of the mid panel can either go direct to the white tube connector, or connect to the inductor on the circuit tweeter, namely to the side of the coil with Tweeter+ and input -
(not the same side as the capacitor & tweeter-)

The cap in the tweeter circuit prevents any mid/bass signal from passing through the tweeter panel.

kelecoleman

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Re: Magneplanar .7
« Reply #8 on: 22 Sep 2024, 02:25 pm »
So the x-overs are built and hooked up and the speakers play!  After testing the phase of the drivers individually (I disconnected the tweeter and then in turn the mid-panels); I can say that everything worked as it should.  What did I hear?

The first night right after connecting the new x-overs I only had a few minutes to listen as it was a school night and I still work.  The speakers weren't in the same position I had them in before the project so I was really just listening to hear that everyone sounded in phase.  I found them to sound a little bright. Of course, this was immediately after connecting them.  If a break in period was necessary for the new crossover components it certainly hadn't happened yet.  The next night I moved the speakers where they were before, a location that gave me a great, often 3 dimensional soundstage.

I played with them for a couple of days, played with my NAD M 3 tone controls to tone down the 8-10Khz treble bump, moved them around a little bit, and I found they sounded better after a couple of hours of playing and fiddling. 

Then, Friday night I had time to really listen to them.  The bottom line is that the sound had improved remarkably.  The before and after graph shown on the G R Research web site tells the whole story.  The midrange was always a little recessed from the factory.  You would have to turn them up quite a bit to get some life in the vocals, for example.  Now, from the lower midrange to the mid treble the detail heard is amazing.  Everything is "lit" up but not edgy or strident.  Sounds that were buried because they were 10 decibels below the mid bass are now easily heard. The frequency balance is much better. 

Bass lines are easier to hear, presumably because the woofer plays flatter through a greater range of frequencies.  Of course I turned off the REL T5x sub and listened to Papa Legba from Talking Heads. The drum at the beginning had much more weight than previously.  If you haven't heard this cut check it out.  It is recorded to sound like a binary recording, its great fun. The tweeter, unburdened by playing below 500 hz, reproduces more of the shimmer of cymbals and the envelope of sound around bells and the like. They don't sound very "different" but to my ears the result of creating a more flattened freq response in the middle of the freq response does wonders for the sound. 

Some recordings have a little sizzle to them.  But, even though I haven't listened for more than about 3 hours, good recordings sound so much more alive and small details like cymbals in the back of the soundstage are easily heard.  I have done the majority of my listening with the tone controls set to defeated; this after playing with the tone controls for a couple of nights.

I'm early on in the evaluation of this x-over change.  I am very happy with what I have heard thus far.  What I described above is exactly what I hoped to hear after looking at the before and after graph.  I loved doing this project and educating myself, with GR Research's help, on reading, planning and executing a passive crossover.

In the interest of giving you all some context, I can't hear anything above 5 Khz in my right ear.  With my left ear I can hear to about 10 K.  I'm 64 years old.  I have never been a detail hound, preferring a warmer tone and a realistic soundstage.  This crossover change only added to the positive characteristics of the .7.  You don't know what you are missing until it is there.

I say go for it......

Danny Richie

Re: Magneplanar .7
« Reply #9 on: 25 Sep 2024, 01:56 pm »
Thanks for the great feedback.