GMOs good or not?

rajacat · « **Reply #220 on:** 4 Jul 2016, 04:39 pm »

Yeah but that's not the point. What if Roundup is destroying the bee population?
We're talking about a bigger issues than just how GMOs affect the health of humans. We're also talking about monocrops and their potential for being subject to mass failure when pests adapt to Roundup. Also is it a good idea for an entire industry to be heading towards a monopoly?.
How many Nobel laureates refused to sign the letter?
Undoubtedly many of signatories are not specialists in GMO so their opinions are just opinions. How many of them are or were employed by the chemical fertilizer industrial complex?

Wayner · « **Reply #221 on:** 4 Jul 2016, 06:02 pm »

Some of you folks don't understand that the world population is putting undue strain on the food chain. The oceans are being fished out. The push for "organically" grown food is also a problem. If we only had organically raised food, about 75% of you are going to have to die. The yield of organically produced food is very low, and hence, is why it costs so much. GMOs are here to increase production of food on a limited acreage of land, so that we can attempt to feed the worlds population. Are there bad side effects? Unknown at this time. The weeds have already genetically modified themselves to become immune to Round-up ready crops. Many insects have done the same.

The destruction of bee-hives is not linked to GMOs, but rather other agricultural spraying practices that are now under review.

So to sum it all up:

Not using GMOs is not the answer.
Practicing birth control is one of the answers.
Fishing the crap out of the oceans is not the answer.
Going all organic is a death sentence for many, and is also not the answer.
Raising cattle that can grass feed is part of the answer. (piss on cow farts).

The world really needs to dial its popluation levels back to pre World War II levels.

Wayner

werd · « **Reply #222 on:** 4 Jul 2016, 06:31 pm »

Wayner the problem facing famine are in a bunch of different countries. Each country needs to address it individually. Which is kind of happening. It can't be summed-up by a campaign coming from industry saying

"We can feed the world with our Tech"

There is no way they can do it. All they are doing is grandstanding and trying to pump up their tech. It's also not realistic to conceive the intentions of multinationals to address the issues with blindness due to famine truthfully. When the reason famine and poverty exists, the entire wealth of the world are in the hands of the same corps that claim they can solve an issue.

They ain't solving anything. They are in the way in fact of hunger. So when I see stuff like Golden Rice and Vitamin A. it makes me wonder what they are really after. Especially when they know their claims are unattainable but a bandaid to real problems.

FullRangeMan · « **Reply #223 on:** 4 Jul 2016, 06:38 pm »

Quote from: fredgarvin on 4 Jul 2016, 04:00 pm

http://m.slashdot.org/story/313193

Now I become very afraid. Last time it happened the smooth and peaceful old man created the atomic era and all that bads things came and until today he is seen as a great respectable man by the world press, no one stands up against him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%E2%80%93Szil%C3%A1rd_letter

Devil Doc · « **Reply #224 on:** 4 Jul 2016, 07:09 pm »

If it's made by Monsanto it can't be good. These are the people who made Agent Orange and told us it was harmless to humans. These are also the people who make vaults for your coffin. Do you really want to trust them with the food supply?

Doc

rajacat · « **Reply #225 on:** 4 Jul 2016, 07:18 pm »

Actually there's no consensus on why the honey bees are dying. Why are the bees dying?

What happens if there's a massive bee die off? Are we next?

Effects of field-realistic doses of glyphosate on honeybee appetitive behaviour
http://jeb.biologists.org/content/217/19/3457

Wayner · « **Reply #226 on:** 4 Jul 2016, 07:37 pm »

Quote from: werd on 4 Jul 2016, 06:31 pm

Wayner the problem facing famine are in a bunch of different countries. Each country needs to address it individually. Which is kind of happening. It can't be summed-up by a campaign coming from industry saying

"We can feed the world with our Tech"

There is no way they can do it. All they are doing is grandstanding and trying to pump up their tech. It's also not realistic to conceive the intentions of multinationals to address the issues with blindness due to famine truthfully. When the reason famine and poverty exists, the entire wealth of the world are in the hands of the same corps that claim they can solve an issue.

They ain't solving anything. They are in the way in fact of hunger. So when I see stuff like Golden Rice and Vitamin A. it makes me wonder what they are really after. Especially when they know their claims are unattainable but a bandaid to real problems.

The major cause of famine in most third world countries is the leadership (which is usually a dictator). I remember stories of the UN sending food to such countries and it sat on ships to rot or the government took all of it to buy military weapons........

'ner

rajacat · « **Reply #227 on:** 4 Jul 2016, 07:56 pm »

We need more local farms, small family owned farms especially in poor countries.
" To solve the food crisis we need to fix the food system. That entails re-regulating the market, reducing the oligopolistic power of the agri-foods corporations, and building agro-ecologically resilient family agriculture. We need to make food affordable by turning the food system into an engine for local economic development in both rural and urban areas. These tasks are not mutually exclusive—we don’t have to wait to fix the food system before making food affordable, marketing fair, or farming viable. In fact, the three need to work in concert, complementing each other. "
http://www.worldhunger.org/holt-gimenez/

OzarkTom · « **Reply #228 on:** 4 Jul 2016, 09:38 pm »

40% of our food is wasted every year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WREXBUZBrS8c

France has made a new law on supermarkets to give much of their food to the needy cuttnig down this waste.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/04/french-law-forbids-food-waste-by-supermarkets

werd · « **Reply #229 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 02:01 am »

Quote from: Wayner on 4 Jul 2016, 07:37 pm

The major cause of famine in most third world countries is the leadership (which is usually a dictator). I remember stories of the UN sending food to such countries and it sat on ships to rot or the government took all of it to buy military weapons........

'ner

That's how it ends up. It starts off by some enterprise or country going in and setting up an industry. The warlords are put there to keep the peace. Its get out of control and becomes non repairable.

werd · « **Reply #230 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 02:08 am »

Quote from: Devil Doc on 4 Jul 2016, 07:09 pm

If it's made by Monsanto it can't be good. These are the people who made Agent Orange and told us it was harmless to humans. These are also the people who make vaults for your coffin. Do you really want to trust them with the food supply?

Doc

If at some point, some leader decides to fly off their lid and go psycho. (Don't tell me It cant happen, it happens all the time.)

They are the exact kind of people you want running a corp and controlling the food supply working for you. Makes it easy for them to wipe a few million people out or control the food to make demands.

They already have in fact with Vietnam using herbicide. So we know they will do it.

weatherman1 · « **Reply #231 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 05:12 am »

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160310111849.htm Colony collapse is a complex world wide problem and many agencies have been collecting data intensely since 2006. Latest data suggests that nectar and pollen quality affect hive health. Moving bees to different locations during the growing season to pollinate a singular crop stresses and causes colonies to be malnourished. Parasites and the pesticides that bee keepers then spray on the hives. Modern farming techniques all contribute to poor bee health and not just honey bees are involved in crop pollination. I live in a valley with vines, fruit tree orchards, worth millions of dollars and the local bees are doing fine. Farmers do not import bees for pollination and most use as little pesticide, herbicide as possible.

werd · « **Reply #232 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 01:22 pm »

Quote from: weatherman1 on 5 Jul 2016, 05:12 am

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160310111849.htm Colony collapse is a complex world wide problem and many agencies have been collecting data intensely since 2006. Latest data suggests that nectar and pollen quality affect hive health. Moving bees to different locations during the growing season to pollinate a singular crop stresses and causes colonies to be malnourished. Parasites and the pesticides that bee keepers then spray on the hives. Modern farming techniques all contribute to poor bee health and not just honey bees are involved in crop pollination. I live in a valley with vines, fruit tree orchards, worth millions of dollars and the local bees are doing fine. Farmers do not import bees for pollination and most use as little pesticide, herbicide as possible.

I like how Monsanto broadcasts Glysophate is safe for humans if kept under the NOAEL. It is there Ace (they use it all the time). Then they claim Bee's are not affected by Glysophate with out any references or knowing what the NOAEL is for exposure to Glysophate by bees.

Guy 13 · « **Reply #233 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 03:06 pm »

For the AudioCircle members like me that did not know the meaning of '' NOAEL '' ? ? ?

No-observed-adverse-effect level - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I hate all those abreviations....

OzarkTom · « **Reply #234 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 03:31 pm »

Chuck Norris Calls Out Monsanto For Killing Food Supply

http://naturalsociety.com/chuck-norris-calls-monsanto-killing-food-supply/

fredgarvin · « **Reply #235 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 04:32 pm »

Much of any problem seems largely due to too much consumption of the not-recreational-drug-marijuana.

Devil Doc · « **Reply #236 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 05:22 pm »

Quote from: fredgarvin on 5 Jul 2016, 04:32 pm

Much of any problem seems largely due to too much consumption of the not-recreational-drug-marijuana.

For your information, he quit on the advice of his physician quite some time ago.

Doc

Wayner · « **Reply #237 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 05:27 pm »

Quote from: fredgarvin on 5 Jul 2016, 04:32 pm

Much of any problem seems largely due to too much consumption of the not-recreational-drug-marijuana.

werd · « **Reply #238 on:** 5 Jul 2016, 05:59 pm »

I guess the paranoia can be boiled down to one of two things

1: Smoke too much weed that brings on irrational paranoia

or

2: Observe past practices of a company drenched in exposing the public to carcinogenic and toxic substances. Then lying about it until a court orders them not too. All while engaging in biological warfare in a overseas country for the purpose of destroying vegetation and food...

Since I don't smoke weed (surprise!) I guess 2 works for me....

OzarkTom · « **Reply #239 on:** 6 Jul 2016, 08:42 pm »

Glyphosate Given Last-Minute Approval Despite Failure to Secure Majority Support(EU)

http://ecowatch.com/2016/06/29/glyphosate-approved-eu/