I imagine they can do it. However, it is likely that their current space and expertise/manpower/tooling would need to increase if it was done in-house.
That's all part of the plan for Bryston to take over the world....of audio..... :icon_twisted:
Hi Folks - odd you should ask as I am in the middle of building some reference speakers for myself:
Its going to be a 3-way Active speaker - about 4 feet tall with two 8 inch woofers - two 3.5 cone mids and 1- tweeter.
Using a DSP electronic crossover and comparing that to a modified 10B analog crossover :thumb:
james
Wow James - that's so interesting. Could you perhaps give us some pictures as you make you way through the process and share the challenges and the learnings. I think this would be great for the forum and who knows - perhaps this will get the wheels turning to have Bryston officially take on the challenge - perhaps with some prototype studio monitors to start?
The picture on the left is the early version.When you say "early version" do you mean a prototype of what you're building currently? It looks very professional. How did you get the panels curved and how was it finished?
james
When you say "early version" do you mean a prototype of what you're building currently? It looks very professional. How did you get the panels curved and how was it finished?
Yes a prototype of the current version.
james
Hi Folks - odd you should ask as I am in the middle of building some reference speakers for myself:
Its going to be a 3-way Active speaker - about 4 feet tall with two 8 inch woofers - two 3.5 cone mids and 1- tweeter.
Using a DSP electronic crossover and comparing that to a modified 10B analog crossover :thumb:
james
time & phase coherent ????
always had a strong liking for Thiel, Dunlavy, & Vandersteen.
Hi
The nice thing about a DSP Active crossover is you can adjust the phase and time on the drivers without having to stagger or use the cabinet in a sloped configuration.
James
Very cool, James. Sounds good. So, when is this gonna hit the market again? :D
Designing, producing, and selling speakers would take a very serious investment on Bryston's part. Re-tooling, factory floor space, R&D costs, etc. It could work out, but as James said, there's so many great speaker companies out there. I'm not sure that it'll be worth their time and resources to get into this end of it. I think very few non-Bryston owners would seek them out. Kind of like McIntosh, Krell, Naim, Linn, and Rega. Those companies probably do well enough in the speakers department, but it's probably more or less a break-even thing than anything else. Maybe not though, as most of them have been making speakers for a long time in relation to their electronics.
How about a turntable, James?
Hi Vipers
Yes I have spent many years in this industry at many different levels and I think i finally know what works for me in a reference speaker so it will certainly be a labour of love :thumb:
James
No turntables Stu - boy speakers are easy after turntables. :duh:
I am working with an engineer now and a speaker company that already exists so if I were to make the speaker available I do not have to create a speaker company (floor space, tooling etc.) . :thumb:
james
A Canadian company?
Looks like it could be a mod to a PSB speaker. :scratch:
Tony
Nope not PSB- and no mods - this is a ground up Active design :thumb:
james
Nope not PSB- and no mods - this is a ground up Active design :thumb:This is a ground up active design :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
james
Nope not PSB- and no mods - this is a ground up Active design :thumb:
james
I've just spent today at Meridian James learning all about their Active speakers, after today I'm really starting to think that Active is the only way to go tbh, it just seem to make so much sense.
Nope not PSB- and no mods - this is a ground up Active design :thumb:
james
time & phase coherent ????
always had a strong liking for Thiel, Dunlavy, & Vandersteen.
"Phase" is the scientific term for time. All good speakers should be reasonably phase correct. Outstanding speakers are more phase correct and this allows them to image better. Vandersteen's time aligned baffling/driver techniques generally cause more problems than they solve.
be careful James. Active speakers take away the nervous audiophiles abilitiy to choose there own amps...
Correct - I will use external Bryston amps with the speakers. The speakers will come with an external balanced DSP electronic crossover where all the good stuff happens.
james
Correct - I will use external Bryston amps with the speakers. The speakers will come with an external balanced DSP electronic crossover where all the good stuff happens.
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49840)
JT-1 Active speaker project so far.
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49840)Hi James,
JT-1 Active speaker project so far.
james
Striking similarity to PSB :)
Hi James,
Looks like you are geting closer to see the result and I really want to hear it from you that which crossover you will like more,the digital or Bryston.
Have you decided which amp you will use? I would say a pair 7Bs and two 4Bs would be perfect.
Good luck. :thumb:
Hi prelude
The other option I am thinking of is maybe a dedicated custom 3 channel amp with each channel custom to each separate driver ( woofer mid tweet) with the appropriate power per driver?
James
X-over Frequency (Hz) Power to Bass (%) Power to Mid+High (%)
250 40 60
350 50 50
500 60 40
1,200 65 35
3,000 85 15
5,000 90 10
Now this would be very interesting. An amp with a 100 Watt section for low, a 50 Watt amp for mid and a 20 Watt amp for high.
One small challenge here: The power division for L, M and H kinda varies with the cross-over points.Code: [Select]X-over Frequency (Hz) Power to Bass (%) Power to Mid+High (%)
250 40 60
350 50 50
500 60 40
1,200 65 35
3,000 85 15
5,000 90 10
So the moment you kinda "set" the Wattages you also set the cross-over frequenties to a certain level. It might be better to have a decicated cross-over handle this. There are many excellent cross-overs available.
Hi Anonamemouse
The crossover would be DSP based and we have tested each driver and it's specific power capabilities so it should not be too difficult to design a dedicated amp for each driver to optimize playback.
James
The drivers remind me of Canton's Vento models. They are well made ,in house German units.The enclosure is similar as well. Are they bottom ported James? :peek:
James : So your previously professed love for PMC...( sniff ) it was just...(sob)...a lie ??? :bawl:
Oh the humanity...
D.D.
I still have a pair of IB2's :thumb:
James
I still have a pair of IB2's :thumb:
James
Hi James, what's your opinion on ATC active speakers?? An example...http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/scm20slat.php (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/scm20slat.php) :)
So James, will this be sold as a complete system? Amps, speakers, crossovers, cd, bdp, etc?
If I was to market them they would be sold with the crossover as a package allowing you to use Bryston (my preference of course) or your own amps as long as the gains of the amps matched.
James
Oh alright. Thanks for the info. Sounds good. I take it these will be over 12k, true?
Really not sure yet on price but I am hoping without amps around 8000
James
James,
Based on your experience,if I ask you which speaker would be your choice for life time active or electrostatics? What would be your answer?
Yes of course - we all know Canadians build the best speakers :lol:
james
Would it perhaps be a little speaker company located on HWY 60 near the west side of Algonquin park?
You got it!
james
You got it!
james
Hello James. Will your speakers be available through my Bryston dealer ? I don't beleive I would buy anything on line without hearing ,seeing and smelling. lol :thumb:
I would still like to know more about their drivers and crossovers. :dunno:
hi rmurrayWho designed the cabinet James? Anything special regarding bracing, damping etc?
The drivers are designed and custom made by Axiom. The crossover at this point is a DSP and I am comparing that to our analog 10B electronic crossover.
James
Who designed the cabinet James? Anything special regarding bracing, damping etc?
Cheers,
The Axiom drivers are all excellent in design and are all custom to Axiom speakers. I looked around a lot for a partner on this and I was mighty impressed with the Axiom company and the science behind there loudspeakers (they even have their own Anechoic Chamber in the factory). Also the engineer behind a lot of the Mirage products (API) is now one of the designers at Axiom and I am working with him on this project.
The comments are indicative though of how people just dismiss a product like Axiom because it does not appear to cost enough. I can tell you the M80 - which I have in my room now is one hell of a speaker. :thumb:
james
James, the pictures on your signature doesn't look the picture of the M80 on the Axiom website?
The comments are indicative though of how people just dismiss a product like Axiom because it does not appear to cost enough. I can tell you the M80 - which I have in my room now is one hell of a speaker. :thumb:
james
Speaking for myself James, I wasn't dissing Axiom's products but rather noting that they are not known for offering products at the price point you were discussing for the "JT-1" as I'm sure you will agree. They may well be capable of making speakers which justify an ask that is multiples of what their current top of the line product goes for. It's just not a market that Axiom is known for catering to.
D.D.
Also I am a little biased as I was involved many years ago in the blind listening tests at the Canadian research facility in Ottawa when Floyd Toole was running all the speaker tests (as was Ian) and I learned a lot about what matters when it comes good sounding loudspeakers.
james
James: Curious - any pictures with the grills on ?
D.D.
Here's what the JT-1's would look like in Black Gloss and WalnutI would take the Walnut :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49959)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49960)
james
Are the JT-1 drivers the same and the M80 drivers with the exception of the second tweeter?
I like the black gloss JT-1.
James, you might be interested in to hear this one.Long time ago my friend came over and droped 4 12" drivers by my house and told me he hates them he does not need them and he do not want any money for it and left.Well I started fooling around with them and this is story back to ST amps and SST was not in the market yet.I could not get the sound right even one time I gave up and put them in the garbage but I quickly changed my mind and brought them back in.After a year I was reading a book and striked to the word ISOBARIC and they said it could be used in speaker design.To make long story short I build a three way active but I used this drivers as ISOBARIC configuration and drived the with a pair 7Bst.ohhhh
I made a cover because I did not want him to see the driver and called him up for listening. We sit down and start a music after 15 min of classical music he told me that he could live with it forever and I took the cover panels off.When he saw the drivers he almost droped his phone that was in his hand and ask me that what happend? I told him a lot of things happened.
And the driver was a $20 paper cone SONY.
The Axiom drivers are all excellent in design and are all custom to Axiom speakers. I looked around a lot for a partner on this and I was mighty impressed with the Axiom company and the science behind there loudspeakers (they even have their own Anechoic Chamber in the factory). Also the engineer behind a lot of the Mirage products (API) is now one of the designers at Axiom and I am working with him on this project.
The comments are indicative though of how people just dismiss a product like Axiom because it does not appear to cost enough. I can tell you the M80 - which I have in my room now is one hell of a speaker. :thumb:
james
That's the part that caught my interest when I was researching this. Here is a company that for 30 years has been designing loudspeakers and have probably forgot more than I know. I ordered a pair of the 80's and was really surprised at the performance level. I spoke with the owner Ian and realized that expensive does not necessarily mean high performance.
Also I am a little biased as I was involved many years ago in the blind listening tests at the Canadian research facility in Ottawa when Floyd Toole was running all the speaker tests (as was Ian) and I learned a lot about what matters when it comes good sounding loudspeakers.
james
Here's what the JT-1's would look like in Black Gloss and Walnut
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49959)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49960)
james
James ,in the last pix is that other panel with the holes a plinth or a brace? :scratch:
Beautiful,love that. Who would appreciate this by just looking at the surface of things. Keep up the great work. By the way(silly question),if these ever go into production would they be available as regular non active models? Oh yeh ,one more query , if these are acoustic suspension how do these drivers work from the Axiom : which are reflex? :scratch:
James, while I realize the designs/price points are completely different, how do the JT-1's sound compared to the PMC MB2's you have owned in the past?
I have been thinking about new speakers in the next year or two. The MB2's were on the top of my list, and the used ones in good shape are currently around $6-8k.
Cheers,
They're good, but on second glance the woofers aren't big enough for me. I'm not talkin' about the JT-1s but the M80s.
Yes Axiom has its own company in China that manufactures the drivers. All the other manufacturing is done at the Canadian facility.
james
Hi James,
It been a while since I posted something, but I think we all want to get a sense of how these speakers compare to other speakers like the following:
1) IB2
2) JBL 1400 array
3) S8 signatures from Paradigm
I know it early in the developments, but it is nice to get a reference point from your vast experiences over the years :o?
Ciao, Luigi
Bryston JT-1 Speaker Wish List
1. Active speaker
2. Lack of Dynamic Compression
3. Excellent transient response
4. Good total room power response
5. Good even polar response well off axis – 30- 60 degrees
6. Excellent frequency response – flat to 1 dB 20-20K
7. Excellent phase response
8. Excellent group delay response
9. Sealed Box
10. Active crossover and direct connection to each driver with separate amplifiers
Reasonable efficiency - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better
Reasonable SENSITIVITY - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better
efficiency and sensitivity are not the same thing.
Reasonable SENSITIVITY - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better
efficiency and sensitivity are not the same thing.
Hi James - looking at your list, a couple key elements I thought that are missing from your list would be the following (though I'm sure you've considered them in one way or another in the design):
Very low distortion, including minimal cabinet vibrations
Reasonable efficiency - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better
Reasonable resistance / load - 4 to 8 ohms, without dipping below 3 ohms
I take it you will be using 28Bs?
Hi Dave
Probably not as each driver gets its own power and so far a 7B looks great on the woofers - although a 28B might be worth a listen. - everyone knows the 28B is the worlds best tweeter amp :lol:
james
Hi Dave
Probably not as each driver gets its own power and so far a 7B looks great on the woofers - although a 28B might be worth a listen. - everyone knows the 28B is the worlds best tweeter amp :lol:
James
Hi Dave
Probably not as each driver gets its own power and so far a 7B looks great on the woofers - although a 28B might be worth a listen. - everyone knows the 28B is the worlds best tweeter amp :lol:
james
No they are not the same thing, but your first line makes no sense as the units are wrong.Agree. :thumb:
Hi Luigi12. Must be three way
Yes it is a little early in the exercise but thinking about it I guess my best answer would be to give you my wish list for a speaker and hope the JT-1 comes close. The Active speaker concept was my start point so that eliminates a lot of other speakers out of the gate.
Bryston JT-1 Speaker Wish List
1. Active speaker
2. Lack of Dynamic Compression
3. Excellent transient response
4. Good total room power response
5. Good even polar response well off axis – 30- 60 degrees
6. Excellent frequency response – flat to 1 dB 20-20K
7. Excellent phase response
8. Excellent group delay response
9. Sealed Box
10. Active crossover and direct connection to each driver with separate amplifiers
11. Low distortion
james
but your first line makes no sense as the units are wrong.
Well, given the goals I would say CHEAP is definitely out of the question.I would like to see it with it's own dedicated active crossover which is equalized specifically for the speaker (and not just a one size fits all crossover). Build this with good drivers and they will come.
It is typically not possible to combine high efficiency (especially at low frequencies) with compact enclosure size and adequate low frequency response
Above from previous post. Atlantic Technology speakers might beg to differ from what's written I would love to hear Jame,s opinion on those, I,ll throw on a teaser forhim by saying that Atlantic Technology probably isn't high end enough for you .Whatyou say James
Some ideas?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50185)
Some ideas?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50185)
Yes magnetic grill mounts
james
Hi James:
I'm thinking that this design could be set apart from your partnering company's house look and Brystonized, as it were if you took a little different direction with the front baffle that would likely be also a potential functional improvement.
Have you considered going with a:
1/2 thick solid aluminum front baffle with Bryston styling cues?
The baffle could be made in...black or silver. A number of the high-end speaker seem to be adopting aluminum structural designs to increase structural rigidity and reduce cabinet vibrations. I'm thinking this could improve the structure but also clearly link to the Bryston line of products.
Hi,
You have to be careful with the materials used. Different materials resonate at different frequencies of course and metal resonates at a much higher frequency than wood. So based on what resonance you want to deal with the material chosen will reflect that (this is also very true of driver material). So lets assume the panel of wood on your speaker resonates at 150Hz and a piece of equal dimensional aluminium resonates at 800Hz - which resonance would you rather deal with? In the JT-1 case with the speaker in an anechoic chamber and an accelerometer the panel resonance can be measured and the bracing applied to reduce the resonance. So far in the listening tests the ear appears to be more tolerant of a damped resonance at 150Hz than at 800Hz.
Anyway I am learning a lot about speaker design these days :thumb:
james
Hi,
Sorry not sure I understand the question - are you saying good low end response is not possible given small woofers and small enclosures relatively speaking? So an 8 inch can not compete with a 12 regardless of type of enclosure and engineering differences?
james
Basically, that is correct. For a good (natural, without all sorts of boosting) low end you will need volume (as in liters inside the cabinet) and surface (of the woofer used, the bigger the better).
It is possible to boost the low end, but that also comes with a lot of distortion and a punch effect. I doubt that this is where you want to go.
Hi,
I am not the expert but the engineer working on the JT=1's tells me that the low end response has much more to do with the woofer throw design and power handling. In other words a long-throw 8 inch with adequate power and design can out perform a 10. we shall see.
james
Yes an optimised 8 inch setup will beat a non-optimised 10 inch setup but that's not comparing apples to apples. Every speaker design is a selection of compromises! IMHO.
Good point - but what about keeping the front baffle as thin as possible for off axis polar response considerations as well as the crossover point and slope required to the mids being part of the criteria when designing the loudspeakers?Absolutely ,,the baffle should be a narrow as possible for good imaging. These considerations have spawned designs including side firing woofers and separate bass modules.(sub woofers anyone??)
james
James do you have the complete specs on your Active Axiom M80 v3 look-alikes yet or partial specs?
Good point - but what about keeping the front baffle as thin as possible for off axis polar response considerations as well as the crossover point and slope required to the mids being part of the criteria when designing the loudspeakers?
james
Personally , I think off axis response is way over rated. Us audiophiles usually listen alone and so are always in the sweet spot.
Good off axis response is critical even in the sweetspot....
It is typically not possible to combine high efficiency (especially at low frequencies) with compact enclosure size and adequate low frequency responseYes according to Hoffman's Iron law but by doubling up on woofers voltage sensitivity is increased by 6 db,volume displacement effectively doubles and excursion required by each woofer is reduced to have the amount needed by a single driver for the same SPL.Add to this the fact that they are actively crossed over so there are no large power robbing inductors in series with the woofers so none of that voltage sensitivity is lost in the DCR resistance of the passive crossover.
Personally , I think off axis response is way over rated. Us audiophiles usually listen alone and so are always in the sweet spot.If off axis response is not uniform (the emphasis is on uniform) speakers cannot sound good under any circumstances, in any room and any position, other that anechoic chamber.
Hi -they are not Active M80's - they are a complete redesign from the ground up - much bigger box - acoustic suspension etc.
james
Wonderful....so do you have any specs yet?
Nothing in stone yet but it looks like we can get a good 17Hz to 24kHz within a DB or so and very very low distortion.
james
James : There are some pretty clever and successful speaker designers who maintain that sealed-cabinet design and "very very low distortion" are mutually-exclusive terms due to the additional work load which that design places upon the drivers especially as the volume goes up. You stated earlier that these speakers incorporate a sealed-cabinet design so how have you managed to get around that issue?
D.D.
Hi Volks,
Nothing in stone yet but it looks like we can get a good 17Hz to 24kHz within a DB or so and very very low distortion.
james
Very good specs.!
James,,any thought of dsp room correction,,,perhaps in the Mark II version??
No way - hate room correction and so does the speaker designer I am working with - screws everything up. :duh:
james
Yeah, that's almost the spec of PMC's towering BB5XBD-A with twin 15" LF units /each channel and a BIG cabinet full of Bryston 7B,4B and crossovers, and i always thought that's simply not possible on smaller diameter LF units and especially sealed cabinets.....
i was lucky enough to demo the hundred thousand dollar setup and it... was.. soul.... enlightening..i even had an epiphany---- I need a better paid job. :duh: or rob an armed bank escort
That was my experience as well, the end result is terrible sound, but I wonder why, what gets screwed up in the process?
....room correction,,,perhaps in the Mark II version??
James : There are some pretty clever and successful speaker designers who maintain that sealed-cabinet design and "very very low distortion" are mutually-exclusive terms due to the additional work load which that design places upon the drivers especially as the volume goes up. You stated earlier that these speakers incorporate a sealed-cabinet design so how have you managed to get around that issue?There are also many a sucessful designer that will claim superiority for the sealed alignment vs ported in such areas as improved transient response(lower group delay) resulting in tighter more detailed bass.Using multiple drivers with long excursion low distortion motors will go a long way towards ameliorating excursion related distortion.
D.D.
any thought of dsp room correction
Now this is interesting.indeed very nice speakers :thumb:
I didn't know this concept was already done and using a Bryston crossover no less.
http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/697waveform/index.html
They look pretty cool. But they're probably an arm and a leg here in the US.
Hi James,
A new challenger to the JT1 maybe :wink:
Now this is interesting.
I didn't know this concept was already done and using a Bryston crossover no less.
http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/697waveform/index.html
Already done, indeed, and done well. Now they are being re-introduced as though a new idea by one of the larger players in pro audio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwkUKnF1lG8
"Some credit should go to John Otvos"
*********
I'm still p*ssed at John Otvos. After doing research for >6 month, I was ready to order Mach 17s and John suddenly stopped production. Not all was lost; researching the 17s led me to a new to me electronics brand, Bryston.
Steve
Hi Stevewell said. :thumb: :thumb:
I know John did not quit because he wanted too. It just proves that building a better mouse trap does not always work out as you think it will. A great speaker and a great guy :thumb:
James
Not sure that is fair :nono: Some credit should go to John Otvos. :thumb:
James
James, have you made any further progress on your speaker project?
Where are you along the path? I'm sure there is a development plan. I've heard that where technology and computer modeling currently sits today - it's possible to get a speaker design substantially finalized before even building a physical prototype (to paraphrase Paul Barton).
I'm assuming then if you are in the physical prototype stages, you may be just a few months away from a finalized product - if all things are lining up. What is left to do? :whip:
Hi
We have done all kinds of testing in the anechoic chamber and the factory listening room as well as many tweeks to the electronic crossover (boy DSP allows you a lot of fine tuning) and I should be able to take them home next week for in home assessment. :thumb:
james
Hi
I should be able to take them home next week for in home assessment. :thumb:
James
Hi
We have done all kinds of testing in the anechoic chamber and the factory listening room as well as many tweeks to the electronic crossover (boy DSP allows you a lot of fine tuning) and I should be able to take them home next week for in home assessment. :thumb:
james
Hi James, have you had anytime to assess them at home? what are your impressions?
... I should be able to take them home next week for in home assessment. :thumb:
james
Hi James, have you had anytime to assess them at home? what are your impressions?
Hi James. I've always wanted to play with active speakers, so I've been following this thread with interest.
I may have missed it, but what crossover are you planning on using? The best info I saw was your quote that it was an "external balanced DSP electronic crossover".
(I assume this is more likely to be impedance balanced via transformers on the outputs, rather than fully differential?)
Thanks!
Looks good :thumb:
What's the target retail price?
Do not know yet as a lot will depend on crossover design choosen.
James
Hi James,
Since they are active, will my 28's and 10b sub still be of any use? Hope I don't have to find them another place...
Marius
Hi Folks,Looks great James. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Bryston Active speakers now installed in soundroom one:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=52608)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=52609)
Very nice James. When are you visiting us in Vancouver and bringing a pair to sample (at the new "Commercial" location) ? :P
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes using 7B on the 2 woofers and a 4B on the mids and tweeter :thumb:
James
Hey James - I get the 7Bs on the woofers - with the 4Bs - is one 4B driving the mids running in stereo and then the other 4B driving the tweeters alone? Just curious as to the hookup. This would make it a tri-amplified setup, right?
From the looks of them can I conclude that they are to be used with magnetic grills or is this truly a grilless design. If with magnetic grills, I assume the preferred method to listen to them is with grills off? :icon_lol:
Hi James
How is new speakers?Did you try the 10b yet or still working on DSP?
Really like the esthetic of the speaker, but not sure about the white driver! Any chance that black driver could be use.
Gil
Hi PRELUDEThat is a good news to go with Bryston crossover and cannot wait to see it. :thumb:
Yes - I think I have decided to go DSP on this project - there is just so much you can do with DSP in terms of tailoring the speaker requirements to the crossover network. I am unhappy with the current version of the crossover though as it is just a prototype and using generic chips and IC's. I find it does not have the transient speed and dynamics I was after.
So I am building a Bryston crossover using our Crystal Dacs and fully discrete Class-A operational amplifiers and fully balanced circuitry before I make a final decision.
James
Hi Volks,
Nothing in stone yet but it looks like we can get a good 17Hz to 24kHz within a DB or so and very very low distortion.
james
Anymore news on when the speakers will be completed and if they will be for sale as a Bryston product and how much?
Hi Volks,
Sorry no idea yet as I am waiting for the Bryston DSP crossover to be built before I go further with the idea.
james
Thanks James......................if all goes well......will this be for sale in the Bryston Lineup?
Hi James,
I see you've updated your forum photo with what appears to be another iteration / latest version of your project active speaker. Could you share some larger, closer shots? Could you share where you are on this interesting journey?
I believe the last prototype was lacking in dynamics and transient speed - have you made progress on this? Thanks.
Hi SoundGame,
It has been an interesting journey so far.
I have always felt that the main problem I have experienced with the many speakers I have owned has been 'dynamic compression' . When you hear a gun shot or a back fire in the real world the dynamics are huge. Most speakers I have owned (other than horns) always seem to lack the ability to recreate the dynamics of real life or real music. So my quest with this speaker was to produce a speaker capable of real world performance. I have played with double woofer single mid and tweeter, then double woofer, double mids, single tweeter. Was not happy so decided, screw it, lets go all out with a triple woofer, double mid and double tweeter and see what happens. This arrangement is heresy in the audiophile world I know but it really does seem to work well. :scratch:
Also we are just about finished with a Bryston version of the DSP electronic crossover I want to use with this speaker. Up till now I have been just using a generic chip based version of the crossover. The Bryston will be a full Class A circuit, Balanced inputs and outputs, will operate at 96/24 and have terrific power supply integrity and excellent noise and distortion g\figures on the order of 100 times better than the distortion of the generic chip version I was using.
james
Oh and James - in your experience, what is the most dynamic, fastest speaker you've come across that uses conventional drivers? I'm assuming it's an active one. :o
PMC - BB5 Active stack
james
Your aspirations for your speaker...is the intention to surpass the BB5 at a lower cost and more manageable size or to get near there...say 90%??
Get near at 'Model T' prices in comparison.
james
Get near at 'Model T' prices in comparison.
james
James,
Do you need a horn speaker with high efficiency to accomplish the instantaneous type of dynamics you are searching for? I agree with you on this goal and that is one big aspect of making music sound real.
Really like the esthetic of the speaker, but not sure about the white driver! Any chance that black driver could be use.
Gil
May I respectfully suggest an option for dark coloured woofers?
James,
Have you guys at Bryston ever thought about a single solution pre crossover in one box and out board power supply to minimize the wire from pre to crossover and space?
Or it is not a good idea.
James,,,this was the first request for dark woofers!! Maybe include a can of satin black paint from "Crappy Tire"??
Given that there are now 7 drivers, I'm assuming the height of the speaker is perhaps about 8 inches higher than the Axiom v80, which measures at around 40 inches - so is the design now around 48 inches in height. Given typical seated ear level of around 34 inches, does this present a problem with tweeter position and phase? Is phase coherence handled by the DSP or would it make sense to time align the drivers with an angled front baffle, thus attempting to get a broad frequency dynamic wave to the listener in propper phase?
Get near at 'Model T' prices in comparison.
james
Hi SoundGame,
It has been an interesting journey so far.
I have always felt that the main problem I have experienced with the many speakers I have owned has been 'dynamic compression' . When you hear a gun shot or a back fire in the real world the dynamics are huge. Most speakers I have owned (other than horns) always seem to lack the ability to recreate the dynamics of real life or real music. So my quest with this speaker was to produce a speaker capable of real world performance. I have played with double woofer single mid and tweeter, then double woofer, double mids, single tweeter. Was not happy so decided, screw it, lets go all out with a triple woofer, double mid and double tweeter and see what happens. This arrangement is heresy in the audiophile world I know but it really does seem to work well. :scratch:
Also we are just about finished with a Bryston version of the DSP electronic crossover I want to use with this speaker. Up till now I have been just using a generic chip based version of the crossover. The Bryston will be a full Class A circuit, Balanced inputs and outputs, will operate at 96/24 and have terrific power supply integrity and excellent noise and distortion figures on the order of 100 times better than the distortion of the generic chip version I was using.
james
Hey just thought maybe we should call the speaker the 'Bryston Model T' :thumb:
james
Hi Folks,
Prototype DSP crossover ready for testing :thumb:
Hi Folks,Very nice. :thumb: :thumb:
Prototype DSP crossover ready for testing :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57677)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57678)
Very nice! Do tell ...+1
Latest version of Bryston Model T
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Hi
No we have done a lot of research on resonance and controlling it and a thick MDF properly braced seems like the best solution. One of the advantages of having an anachoic chamber to test things in is you can try and test very quickly and not waste time going in the wrong direction. For instance we found you can actually have too much bracing in a side panel or front baffle as the frequency that it resonates at moves up in frequency as you add more bracing.
I am learning a lot through this extercise :thumb:
James
This is interesting. So James - it's an all MDF cabinet utilizing MDF internal bracing then? Was any testing done with LDF and does your explanation apply for that as well i.e. it would result in higher-frequency resonances dominating? How thick are you currently with your MDF panels - front, back, sides, top & bottom? Are you using the same thickness for internal bracing?
What type of internal sound dampening materials are being used? Is it just poly-fill, foam, sound fabric eg. dynamat, borocilicate, or natural wool?
Hi
I can not get into details as we are still experimenting due to the cabinet getting larger but I am having the speaker designed by engineers that have over 30 plus years of experience with these issues and I am leaving many of those decisions to them. I am just the listener and the pain in the ass question guy.
James
..... and the pain in the ass question guy.
James
Latest:Looking good James :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57859)
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Hi James,
I know this thread is about the Model T; however, it has drawn my attention to Axiom lodspekaers, specifically the M80. Recognizing those are passive and would not provide results that you are seeking with your acctive design, but given that the engineers, techniques, testing are Axiom based, I would be interested in your trained ear perspectives on the M80 with Bryston amplification? I assume you have tried them and if so, how would you describe/characterize them?
Hi Soundgame,
When I was looking around for someone to help me with the Bryston Model T idea there were only a hand full of companies that had the testing facilities (anachoic chamber) and test gear I wanted so it narrowed the field a lot. I phone Ian at Axiom because I knew he had great facilities and testing gear and had been heavily involved in the listening tests I was involved in years ago at the National Research Council in Ottawa - (boy that brings back a flood of memories) :D I also knew that Andrew Welker (whom I respected) a design engineer from Canadian company Audio Products days had joined Axiom as well.
Anyway I asked him to send me a pair of the 80's for evaluation and it was a revelation - I have had some serious speakers in my day but the M80 really surprised me. Being the skeptic I am I asked a few friends to come over and audition the system setup in room 3 - see attached. Well everyone thought it sounded terrific and when I told them the price ($1400) it was 'disbelief Squared' :duh:
So I decided if this company can get this kind of performance at this price range I found my guy. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
James
PS - if the Model T sounds bad I will only have suicide as an alternative :duh:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57866)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57867)
Those Model T's are sure evolving , James - quite an oddysey. Are your listening rooms untreated ?
D.D.
Some are like in room 3 above I have tube traps in the corners and in room 1 I have the smaller on wall absorbers to cut down on room splash. In room 2 I have use RPG diffusers covering the front wall.
I have mixed feelings about absorption and have experimented over the years but fine most people over do it and it ends up sounding too dead.
James
. . . Well everyone thought it sounded terrific and when I told them the price ($1400) it was 'disbelief Squared' :duh:Hi James,
Hi James,
Can you let us know what brand of speakers your friends who auditioned the Axiom M80v3 are currently running in their system ?
Hi Soundgame,
When I was looking around for someone to help me with the Bryston Model T idea there were only a hand full of companies that had the testing facilities (anachoic chamber) and test gear I wanted so it narrowed the field a lot. I phone Ian at Axiom because I knew he had great facilities and testing gear and had been heavily involved in the listening tests I was involved in years ago at the National Research Council in Ottawa - (boy that brings back a flood of memories) :D I also knew that Andrew Welker (whom I respected) a design engineer from Canadian company Audio Products days had joined Axiom as well.
Anyway I asked him to send me a pair of the 80's for evaluation and it was a revelation - I have had some serious speakers in my day but the M80 really surprised me. Being the skeptic I am I asked a few friends to come over and audition the system setup in room 3 - see attached. Well everyone thought it sounded terrific and when I told them the price ($1400) it was 'disbelief Squared' :duh:
So I decided if this company can get this kind of performance at this price range I found my guy. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
James
PS - if the Model T sounds bad I will only have suicide as an alternative :duh:
Hi James, the Andrew Welker from Audio Products you mention in your note above. Is that Audio Products International (API) that was located in north Scarborough on McNicol Drive about a decade or so ago? I know them well, they were the mother company of Energy, Mirage, Sound Dynamics, Athena, Paisley and dB Plus as I know. It was a sad shame to have them bought our by a U.S. company i.e. Klipsch, who moved production to China and turned focused their products on big-box store placement - the famous Energy Pro22 were my first introduction to studio/audiophile speakers. My father still owns them.
If your smart, you won't be listening to them tonight :wink:
James, for those of us who already have enough amplification as well as channels. Do you know if the option will be made available to buy the speakers and crossover without the amps? I have 3 channel krell amps that are rated for 250W @8ohm and 500W @4ohm on all 3 channels... they are the KAV-250a/3's. I currently have Axiom speakers and have been buggin Ian to build a speaker like the one you are building for a couple years now to no avail...
Thank you for your time, Alex
Crap :duh:
Hi Alex
I just realized you asked about using other amps - yes as long as the amps are of equal Gain on all channels.
James
Hi Alex
No sorry there is no way to design the speaker to be passive as the electronic crossover is designed to control and equalize the driver compliment. The active approach gives us so much more control over all the areas of performance that a passive network could not do.
As a matter of fact we have found that the active DSP electronic crossover approach allows us to tailor each crossover to each speaker. I am thinking about placing each speaker in the anachoic chamber and adjusting the crossover to exactly match the specific speaker. That way we can even adjust for slight variations in the speaker drivers themselves :thumb:
James
So James, you're at the point where this is looking like a viable prototype for an actual product? What are the significant milestones you need to achieve now to be able to begin to draw a line in the sand as to when a production model will first be built?
We are still working on the 3 woofer, double mid, and double tweeter version so maybe another month and I will be able to give some real answers. It really has to outperform my current speakers to make any of this make sense to go forward with.
james
We are still working on the 3 woofer, double mid, and double tweeter version so maybe another month and I will be able to give some real answers. It really has to outperform my current speakers to make any of this make sense to go forward with.
james
....outperform my current speakers.........
would that be the maggie 3.7s you will be comparing against?
James,
I think we both should forget about speakers.It would never be efficient. :o :o :o :o :o :o
http://www.royaldevice.com/custom.htm
PMC - BB5 Active stack
james
James,
Just wondering if you've thought of a maple finish. My own Spendors look terrific, as I imagine the Model Ts would in that style... and wouldn't maple look swell on a big tall Canadian speaker.
(http://www.bigsale.ru/pics/big/spendor_s8e.jpg)
James, do you have any updates on your speakers?
Just thought i would ask.... :)
I think you should.. I am in the market for a pair of stereo speakers... Full range.. My current brand of choice is Wilson... However, i currently have Axiom's, and your speakers use Axiom drivers, so they would fit in perfectly with my other speakers.. Ian will be unavailing his new speaker on the 24th as well.... I would be quite interested in yours as well. I think that your speakers are more of what i am looking for, with the dual/tripple 8" woofers, i don't think Ian chose larger woofers, i have a feeling that they are using the 6 1/2's... The Wilsons that i am looking at are either the Sasha's or Sophia's, you'r speaker is comparable to the Sasha in driver configuration.
I am hopeful that it will be worth it for you to bring your speakers to market. I think that there will be a significant demand for them, if you are able to do it for the right price.
Good luck!
Yes if I can get them finished in time I will bring them along. What price point do you think a 'stereo full-range active speaker system with dedicated crossover' should sell for??Hi James,
james
"What price point do you think a 'stereo full-range active speaker system with dedicated crossover' should sell for??"
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MSRP at or less than a pair of B & W 802s??? However, with the Bryston set up, there is the additional cost of tri-amplification so it's getting into serious money territory at an 802 price.
Steve
This is a true enjoyable passion of sound reproduction of all the time and won't be cheap for sure.
Less then 10000 would not be fair price IMO. :D
Serious System = Serious Money :thumb:
A pair of Brystons speakers at 802 price driven by a pair of 6Bs would be about $30,000 or 7Bs for the bottom end and a pair of 4Bs or...or...or....somebody asked me if I could make a pair monitor speakers for his office and I told him I don't have a time right now to do it how about we buy a good one for you and this was about 5 months ago.I could not believe 50% of monitors are close to $9000 if not $18000.
Steve
My take on this is that I understand all companies, including Bryston are in the business of making money on their products - so adding a profit margin is necessary.
There come a balance point of volume sales with a smaller profit vs. lower sales with a higher profit.
Aiming for the later requires catering to desires of those seeking something exclusive. Though I don't think Bryston is a company which designs / sells products on exclusivity, it comes with the territory as prices get higher and higher.
I totally recognize that there is effort, money and resources as well as recovery of R&D that comes into play here.
I would like to see and would hope that Bryston would come to the party with a net new product - priced agressively rather than competitively. And, priced in a manner that doesn't push for exclusivity.
To name another manufacturer - though build is in a foreign country and that needs to be considered in the price as well - Golden Ear has taken an aggressive stance with the pricing of it's product - comparing what you get in that speaker along with the raving reviews - the product could demand a much higher price but that's not what Sandy is after.
In summation, take the cost of the product, factor in recovery of R&D over a reasonable timeframe, and price with a smaller profit margin the first year. Get some sales and demand going and then consider raising the price in the following year.
This speaker is a Bryston product but it's based on Axiom technologies and engineering and manufacturing techniques, as I understand it. So you start with the Axiom M80 v3 (a very aggressively priced product) $1500, add an additional driver, some improvements to the drivers and throw in an active design. Take the $1500 add in $500 for the additional driver, gives you $2000, triple that cost for the active design (excluding amplification) and what do you get - roughly $6000. Pad it with $1000 for R&D and other ancillary costs and you get to $7000.
If $7000 results in a profit - then why not sell it at that price. You would draw new customers to Bryston who will then be interested in buying Bryston amps. For the first year - well you could even run with no-profit and just work off the profits related to additional sales of amplfiers that people will naturally be drawn to as they were used in the development of the speakers.
My take.
My take on this is that I understand all companies, including Bryston are in the business of making money on their products - so adding a profit margin is necessary.
There come a balance point of volume sales with a smaller profit vs. lower sales with a higher profit.
Aiming for the later requires catering to desires of those seeking something exclusive. Though I don't think Bryston is a company which designs / sells products on exclusivity, it comes with the territory as prices get higher and higher.
I totally recognize that there is effort, money and resources as well as recovery of R&D that comes into play here.
I would like to see and would hope that Bryston would come to the party with a net new product - priced agressively rather than competitively. And, priced in a manner that doesn't push for exclusivity.
To name another manufacturer - though build is in a foreign country and that needs to be considered in the price as well - Golden Ear has taken an aggressive stance with the pricing of it's product - comparing what you get in that speaker along with the raving reviews - the product could demand a much higher price but that's not what Sandy is after.
In summation, take the cost of the product, factor in recovery of R&D over a reasonable timeframe, and price with a smaller profit margin the first year. Get some sales and demand going and then consider raising the price in the following year.
This speaker is a Bryston product but it's based on Axiom technologies and engineering and manufacturing techniques, as I understand it. So you start with the Axiom M80 v3 (a very aggressively priced product) $1500, add an additional driver, some improvements to the drivers and throw in an active design. Take the $1500 add in $500 for the additional driver, gives you $2000, triple that cost for the active design (excluding amplification) and what do you get - roughly $6000. Pad it with $1000 for R&D and other ancillary costs and you get to $7000.
If $7000 results in a profit - then why not sell it at that price. You would draw new customers to Bryston who will then be interested in buying Bryston amps. For the first year - well you could even run with no-profit and just work off the profits related to additional sales of amplfiers that people will naturally be drawn to as they were used in the development of the speakers.
My take.
Don't forget the cost of support, sparing and warranty. A big part of Bryston's appeal is your warranty and customer service.
It will be hard to escape comparisons with the M80's I expect. ( and perhaps axiom's new project speakers?). Being that the M80 seems to be an excellent speaker, and is sold with factory direct pricing, and is a passive design, a M80 Model T comparison has all the ear marks of a great discussion!
Hi,
I think you are probably right.... but the Model T is way beyond the performance level of the M80 - assuming we are talking about the performance that most serious audiophiles would wish for. I think it may come down to whether an Active speaker with all the costs involved warrants the difference. There are some great passive speakers out there.
As a listening tool though it certainly meets the criteria for me.
james
James, do you have enough listening time yet to give us a detailed report?
I really kicking myself for not being able to make it to the show in Montreal and see/hear them 1st hand (a Rum and Whatever on a beach in Jamaica is not a bad alternative I guess). The Model T attributes sound like they would be right up my alley!
Hi
No sadly I have only had time to listened to the prototypes up to this point. We are making some changes and I hope the final version will be ready for Montreal but can not guarantee it. :duh:
We are changing the voice coil design in the woofers and the mass of the woofer driver as well (I'm a stickler for transient response). After that I should be able to report back a better assessment of the speakers overall performance in more detail for you.
James
Does it look like you will be unveiling a Bryston Model T at the Son & Image show next week? If so, it would be interesting to know the setup it will be plugged into.
In terms of amplifier demands. Given these will be used with an active crossover and DSP, what nominal impendence load will connected amplifiers be faced with? Will the Model T be easy to drive - say with three 2B's, going to LF, MF, HF or would 7B's on LF, 3B on MF and 2B on HF be the minimum? Have you experimented with different amplifier arrangements, yet?
Hi Soundgame
I will have the prototypes there but it will probably be a static display as the newer woofers have not showed up yet.
As for drive I would say minimum would be a 3-channel 9B per side and option would be a 6B per side - all out if one has a huge room and listens loudly I would say a 7B on the bass drivers and a 4B on the mid/tweets.
james
Latest:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57859)
Thanks for sharing these differences james. I thought the new Axiom Omni was an active crossover DSp design with a separate box active crossover? Why would it have passive crossover parts?
Hi folks
No the Model T is a lot different than Axioms new speaker. I admire where they are doing though as they are pushing the boundaries of optimzing power response into a normal listening room.
The Model T is different in a number of ways:
1. Acoustic suspension not ported
2. 8 inch woofers not 6.5
3. No rear drivers
4. No passive crossovers
James
Hi James, all combined four points below would make a huge diff particular point 1 and 4. :thumb:
On rear drivers... wouldn't it help throw a bigger soundstage/image?
It looks very similar too... :?
(http://www.soundstage.com/images/stories/news/201203_axiom.jpg)
Where can you see the vc's?
James - looking close at the drivers in these images - apart from the size of the LF drivers, which you mentioned were 8" vs. 6.5" in the Axiom, I do see that the voicecoils in both the MF and LF drivers appear to be larger in diameter in the Model T vs the standard Axiom drivers. Would you know and be able to explain what a larger diameter voicecoil provides vs. a smaller one? I would guess the larger diameter would have also have a longer wire length in the coil, thus increasing the potential power capacity but am not sure.
You can not really tell from the dust cap the type of coil used.
For instance one of the concerns I had with the earlier version of the Model T was I did not feel the bass response had the transient speed I felt it should have. At the time we were using the 8 inch woofer cones from the Axiom subs. So we redesigned the voice coils and also reduced the mass of the cone by 1/2 and all seems better now.
This Model T really is starting to look like a custom speaker in many ways and one of the advantages of working with Axiom is they manufacture their own drivers so off the shelf restrictions are not a problem.
james
Okay James - so you now have a working model you're testing with the lighter cones (modified sub-woofer drivers)? Do you think you've got what you were looking for or are there still some further tweaks you're planning next? How close are you to your vision for this speaker?
The big question is - what is it going to take to put something like this in production?
Are the pics on this thread and at the recent Son&Image show the latest version - with the 1/2 mass drivers?
"Offer them for sale"...
initiating a production run or selling the current "one of" pair?
"Offer them for sale"...
initiating a production run or selling the current "one of" pair?
Hi Ron,
Offering them for sale with some limited production might be something to consider - not sure I want to get into the speaker business :duh:
james
I'm sensing that the value was in the learning experience not in it being a profitable venture - a labour of love, as well?
Yes good point and knowing I have a speaker that does not lie given current technologies. Also there may be a more universal Bryston DSP based - electronic crossover that could evolve out of this.
james
Hi Ron,
Offering them for sale with some limited production might be something to consider - not sure I want to get into the speaker business :duh:
james
James,
Are those Axiom subs?
Would love to hear your speakers with just one EP800v3 sub.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/ep800
Hi Folks,
The quest continues - latest setup with the Model T and the latest woofers and DSP crossover. :duh:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62238)
james
Would love to hear your speakers with just one EP800v3 sub.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/ep800
HiJames, It would be nice if you could compare them with LFR1100 to see which one would give you the best response in the room.I think the model T would be a better choice.
I prefer 2 subs each with a 12 inch woofer vs 1 sub with two 12 inch woofers as it loads the room better.
James
Yes the 6B's are perfect - probably a little overkill on the tweets.Sounds great :thumb:
I wanted to try them in a smaller room (12/18 - long wall). The nice thing about acoustic suspension speakers (sealed box - no ports) is they are really well controlled so it does not overload even a small room with low end which is usually the case with big speakers in small rooms.
I am getting abour 25Hz at the low end so with the M80's I liked having the subs engaged but with the Model T - not needed!!!
Having fun :thumb:
james
Hi James,
If I'm reading correctly, it looks liKe 30 Hz to 17 KHz +/- 3db is the frequency response. In room, you would probably loose 2Kz or so off the top, due to absorbtion, so how does that impact their airiness, if it does, at all?
Hi SoundGame,
Yes the nice thing about the DSP crossover is you can really fine tune the frequency response to a much greater degree than with passive networks and so far this result sounds the most balanced.
james
I think measurments are idicative of performance :thumb:
james
..."The Demo IS Everything" :thumb:
I think measurments are idicative of performance :thumb:
james
Very much in line with my experience, for this reason I do demo of components that measure well and more or less ignore those that do not.
Hi Folks,I have to ask why? Just curiosity or DSP cross-over did not fully meet the expectations?
So we are going to build a Passive version of the Model T and do some listening comparisons.
james
I have to ask why? Just curiosity or DSP cross-over did not fully meet the expectations?
Hi James,
How about use passive crossover for highs and keep the bass drivers active?
I know how people are when you tell them you need extra amp they runaway.
But you did try the best you could. :thumb:
Hi preludePerfect,then we could call it T-A1 and T-P1. :thumb:
I think I would offer both models - fully active or passive. :thumb: - customer can decide what works best for them.
James
Looks great, more traditional I think is the term I am looking for . Likely look wicked in bleached maple veneer wrap. James any changes to the drivers other than the colour?
Cheers,
They really do look the business James, I would love to have a listen, will they have covers to keep enquisitive fingers away from all those drivers, maybe magnetic like the new PMC Twenty range so that you can keep the clean lines when the covers come off?
Hi Vipers,
Yes we are working on a 2 piece magnetic grill.
james
James,
Is this going to be marketed and did you ditch the active idea? I think the active speaker will be too costly and complicated for the average audiophile.
They do look nice,
Bill
there are those that will appreciate what an active system can do.Very much so :thumb:
May I respectfully suggest an option for dark coloured woofers?
Hi Bill,
I think the Active version is something I would still do - there are those that will appreciate what an active system can do. I agree though that the 'complication factor' in an active setup can be very confusing and the chances of getting it wrong are certainly common.
So I was thinking that a Passive version may be viable given all this work we have done. It would certainly be easier to market and if I can get the passive version to sound close to the Active I think it could be a great product. I am having a pair built now and will give it a listen in comparison.
james
James, are you considering the possibility of doing the passive version and using Axiom's DSP?
Dave
Hey James, are you really going to put these out on the market?
WOW,
These speakers look nice.
I would Definitely be interested in a passive pair. I would love to hear them with my 28b's.
Where do i sign up.
James, how many binding posts on the passive. One for low, one for mid , one for high?
Hmm, those look like Visaton TIW 200XS bass drivers, one of the best 8inch subwoofers on the market ... what are the other drivers?
Hi Dave,
It looks that way - I am getting lots of interest.
james
James, I have a couple of questions about the Model P I hope you can answer.
One of the thiings I like about the Axiom M80 is that it does not let any frequency range dominate.
It would appear that the Model P, like the M80 will have two tweeters and midrange drivers, but three, instead of two, woofers, each of which is larger than those used in the M80.
My questions are:
1. Does the Model P have a low end bias because of the larger and extra woofer?
2. If it doesn't have a low end bias, how is this achieved.
Many thanks.
Hi Dave,
Correction - I am back to calling it the Model T :duh: - which will come in 3 versions 1. Passive, 2 Passive Signature and 3. Active.
1. No the extra woofer really helps with power handling and lower distortion and efficiency. I want these to be capable of huge dynamics - like in real life!!!
2. Bigger box therefore can go lower.
james
Thanks, James. I'm glad you've gone back to the Model T name. It has overtones of getting back to basics (like Ford's Model T), while giving you well deserved credit for the speaker's creation.
The Passive Signature needs explaining, I believe, to readers of this thread who may not have heard about it before.
Here's a pic of it with the new Black Drivers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64964)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64965)
DaveNote, you are one astute listener when it comes the the M80v3's.
The model T, when it is available, will tell the audio world how good Axiom drivers are.
Are these pictures of the Passive version? If so, for some reason I thought it would be ported front and back like the M80. Is it ported or closed box?
BTW, I think the black drivers look the best of what you've shown so far.
Another question, James.
Based on its testing of its speakers, Axiom finds that its speakers perform the same with or without spikes. I have found no difference in the sound of mine without spikes. Is this true as well for the Model T?
Are the new black drivers Axiom or did you go for another brand like Scanspeak? :) Will the Bryston dealers , (Vancouver) be handling these?
James ,what do you think the price will be approximately ( especially the passive version)? :thumb:
Hi,
Initially $6,495 US/Canadian suggested list per pair - passive version.
james
Hi,
Initially $6,495 US/Canadian suggested list per pair - passive version.
james
James, will the passive versions need more than a 4BSST2 to drive them fully?
Cheers
hi James,
What would be the advised setup, already owning 2 28b's? Active, passive, and what configuration. Stereo that is?
(and a 10bsub with a single subwoofer...)
Marius
I would go with the Signature version and use the 28s. No need for a sub - these go to 25Hz in my room.
James
Hi James.
Thanks, got the brochure. If I go for the signatures, and use the 28b's, how would I have to use the crossover? I see separate in-and outputs. Do they need separate amps?
Marius
btw,
my sub goes a bit further than the 25hz model T delivers. Would it still be possible to use it with the 10bsub?
I would go with the Signature version and use the 28s. No need for a sub - these go to 25Hz in my room.
James
The Axiom M80 specs are:
Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz):
34 Hz – 20 kHz
And
Freq Resp +3dB- 9dB (Hz):
25 Hz – 20 kHz
James, using the same +/- 3dB, and +3dB - 9dB, what at the Model T Passive specs?
Hi Dave
I will have to ask Ian - I just know in my room I get 25 Hz without a problem. I do not think the specs though tell the difference as so much of the differences are in dynamic capability through the same frequency range.
james
Ok, I am not sure whether I understand this correctly.
I am not knowledgeable about crossovers. Or am I making this way too complicated.
So for the signature series each speaker would come with a separate crossover box.
I have the 28b's.
Could I hook it up this way. Or is there a better way.
For each speaker
Put one output from the 28b to the external passive crossover input woofer.
Put the other output from the 28b to the external passive crossover input Midrange.
In this case where would I put the bridge between the Mid and tweeter on the external passive crossover.
Do i put the bridge on the external passive crossover input, or the output.
Then I could put the speaker cable from the external passive crossover output woofer to the speaker woofer.
Then I could put the speaker cable from the external passive crossover output Midrange to the speaker
midrange.
Then do one of the following for the tweeter.
A third cable from the external passive crossover output tweeter to the speaker tweeter.
Or, a bridge from the midrange to the tweeter on the speaker itself.
HI James,
Could you please explain some more about the differences between crossovers in
2. Passive 3-way with external crossover
3. Active 3-way with external Bryston DSP Electronic crossover ?
And what the latter DSP Electronic does differently from the 'standard' external crossover?
Thanks,
Marius
Hi Marius,
The 3 way Signature version external crossover is PASSIVE but the DSP is Active - so the DSP goes in between the preamp and the 3 amplifiers whereas the Passive outboard crossover goes between the single Amplifier and the Speaker.
james
O right, that's very clear :duh:
sorry for that...
since we're on this topic: there are no other 'tone control' or crossover-settings options/differences between them? A la 10bsub, to taylor them to the auditorium? That would be a rather important aspect for selection on this side..
Marius
Wow, James you have certianly been a busy boy :)
So it is official, the Model T is definately coming to retail?
When are we likely to see them? Will they be coming to the UK? I'd be very keen to grab a pair for demo :wink:
James,,I'm sure you will not regret it. I think we're witnessing the birth of ANOTHER fantastic Bryston product.
p.s.Will there be a piano black??
Hi James,
Congratulation on a new product. :thumb:
So,if I am not wrong.Is this year Bryston will be the only brand in the room at Toronto show and the passive one will be in display?
Boy my trigger finger is itchy...
What color are the speakers on page 21 of this thread, Natural Cherry or Boston Cherry.
Hi Marius,
A 10B would not work as the new Bryston DSP crossover is designed specifically for the Model T Active. When you design a speaker the Crossover whether Passive or Active has to be considered as a part of the whole - assuming excellent Power response (smooth and predictable ''on and off' axis polar response) from the speaker is your goal.
james
Boy my trigger finger is itchy...
What color are the speakers on page 21 of this thread, Natural Cherry or Boston Cherry.
Is the cherry color going to be available in the first batch you produce.
If these were to be used in a 5.1 systems, what center speaker would closely match these.
Would the axiom VP180 be a good match.
I have to say, that intrigued me, what is the difference between Natural and Boston Cherry? I would love to see the Gloss black though, over here PMC do gloss black on their new twenty series for an extra 10% which is very fair and is proving extremely popular.
Thanks James,
So if i get it right, the Signature passive with the crossover allows me to still use the 10bsub/subwoofer, and the active version does not.
What would be the configuration (amp wise) in the active version? And do you have a pricing already for those versions?
Marius
Hi Marius
So far I have used a 6B per channel and tried a 7B and 4B combo as well.
The price of the Active speaker is the same but you have to add the DSP crossover which is 3000 and 6 channels of amplification.
James
Wow, that's some heavy amping...
And the price of the signature setup is how much?
Marius
Signature is the same price for the speaker and 1000 extra for the outboard Passive crossovers. Then you can upgrade to the Actice system going foward if you want by replacing the Passive crossovers with the DSP Active crossover and 4 more amplifier channels :thumb:
James
James, will the speakers be @ CES?
Signature is the same price for the speaker and 1000 extra for the outboard Passive crossovers. Then you can upgrade to the Actice system going foward if you want by replacing the Passive crossovers with the DSP Active crossover and 4 more amplifier channels :thumb:
James
Hi James,
Please allow me just this: is the only difference between the Signature and the standard 'passive' version the outboard crossover? The standard version T's have them inside. They would be of the same quality with the same specs I gather? Making upgradability the only reason to go for the Signature?
Greets,
Marius
No because we share the room with Thiel
James
SUB,James is that correct.
If so what size transducer,what size amp,what type warranty ect.
Most subs you see have 1-3 yr warranty(excluding Thiel...10yrs).
It is going to be three 8 inch woofers - not sure on the power rating yet. Will look like the bottom 1/2 of the Model T's
James
James,
Considering your earlier remarks about the impossibility to use the 10bsub and subwoofer with the active dsp crossover, how would this setup work? Active, passive?
And do you have the freq response specs of your Sub?
Marius
James what is the plinth made from? :scratch:
Hi James,
Congratulations on the progress on this product and I'm very excited to be able to experience their launch at the upcoming TAVES in Toronto this September - will be on the top of my rooms to visit! :thumb:
Do these speakers need room to breath? In other words, could they work in a small (11 X 13 X 8 ft) room as well as a moderate sized (13 X 19 X 8ft) room? I'm sure they are capable of pressurizing larger rooms but just wondering if they might overpower a smaller room, say when driven by a 4B? Any thoughts?
Hi Marius,
Still working on the powered Sub but aiming for 18 to 200 HZ range.
I think I know where the confusion is --- The 10B Sub crossover could still be used if you wanted to add a Sub to an existing Active Model T but now you would have a 4-way Active system instead of a 3-way system. The Active version can not use the 10B on its drivers because the Active Crossover (AX-1) that goes with the Model T Active is programmed specifically for the Model T Active speakers.
james
James,
That's indeed what I wanted to know, adding it instead of replacing the dsp Xover. Good to know for certain now.
How would one adjust the sub to the T1's? Do they have a separate Xover, or would we have to resort to the Sp3....
Seems to be a 10bsub in this picture though ..
Marius
I am thinking of two versions of the Sub - one with internal crossover and power amp and one without so you could use it with the SP3 or with a 10B and a power amp. I was even thinking a 6 woofer tall version and a 7B would be a great Sub???
james
could only dream of that combo.... (6woofer, 7b)
a sub without internal crossover would make the owners of a 10bsub very happy. Much easier to setup. In my setup most difficult was the power difference between both amps. and we had to insert a power adjustment in the interlink to line them up properly. After that, dialing in the 10bsub was a joy and never touched them again....
just because I'm curious: could I use the 28b's for this amp-less woofer too? I mean together with them powering the main speakers?
MArius
and one without so you could use it with the SP3 or with a 10B and a power amp. I was even thinking a 6 woofer tall version and a 7B would be a great Sub???
james
James,
Have you had the chance to compare the Model T, against say, a PMC IBI2.
Can you comment on the differences, or will this type of information be released at a later date.
James, will Bryston dealers carry these speakers or will it be a special order from Bryston?
Only select Bryston dealers - not all.
james
...Also the bottom Plinth will be an option...
Hi James - in all the testing, does the "plinth" add anything to the resonance and therefore, improve or degrade the sonic performance in any manner? What effect - regardless of how small, does the plinth have on the sound / measurements and in what situations might it actually be a "recommended" option. Thanks.
James,
Have you had the chance to compare the Model T, against say, a PMC IBI2.
Can you comment on the differences, or will this type of information be released at a later date.
James,
what is the brown color in the bottom picture of the custom finishes post - is that a walnut finish?
Also, are you doing black drivers or silver drivers? Your bedroom set up shows silver drivers.
Thanks,
Are the two tweeters running in parallel?
Hi John - yes - all the drivers are handling the appropriate frequency range in parallel. I know we are going to get into major discussions about comb filtering etc. but believe me we have research this for many years now and implemented correctly and given our design goals of no dynamic compression and excellent power response this solution worked best.
Ultimately people will have to listen for themselves but I have always felt that real world dynamics was something lacking in many speakers I have owned.
Hah, you read my mind :D I have no cards to play. But I'm interested in learning, and this seems to be one of those strangely-contentious areas in audio. A simple thought experiment says that, if one were to play a mono signal though a pair of loudspeakers, just the simple and unavoidable fact that there is a certain distance between your ears will result in "comb filtering". I've never heard anyone complain about that... or put an earplug in one ear to avoid it - that would of course make no sense at all. More here than meets the microphone then? I look forward to reading more.
HI James,
real world dynamics is indeed what we always strive to hear, but never do, other than in real life...
If this is going to work, i'm in for Model T. Cant wait to hear a life size orchestra in my auditorium. Have you tested classical music too? A grand scale orchestra is not only about dynamics, but also about size and proximity. WOuld love to have that finally.
Is there any difference in this real world dynamics aspect between the active and passive modelT? (maybe some specs could help me, cause I've always thought that active speakers included their own amps, and your active model T needs outboard amps?. Just like the passive model T?)
Marius
Hi Marius
The main limitation on the passive or the active is the amount of level the drivers can play at with low distortion. So the advantage of the active has more to do with the control factor on the drivers because the amplifier is connected directly to the driver and does not have to deal with coils and caps etc like in a passive system
Warning though :duh: - active systems are ruthless at revealing the source material and are not for everyone :nono:
James
Hi Marius
The main limitation on the passive or the active is the amount of level the drivers can play at with low distortion. So the advantage of the active has more to do with the control factor on the drivers because the amplifier is connected directly to the driver and does not have to deal with coils and caps etc like in a passive system
Warning though :duh: - active systems are ruthless at revealing the source material and are not for everyone :nono:
James
Hi John - yes - all the drivers are handling the appropriate frequency range in parallel. I know we are going to get into major discussions about comb filtering etc. but believe me we have research this for many years now and implemented correctly and given our design goals of no dynamic compression and excellent power response this solution worked best.
Ultimately people will have to listen for themselves but I have always felt that real world dynamics was something lacking in many speakers I have owned.
james
that's one reason extra for me to try the active Model T. Transparency, air and revealing the 'sense of being there is what I've always looked for in a n audio system, being a professional classical musician comparing to what i've always around me in real orchestral life.
Hope it's the kind of electrostat transparency you, (we) 're on to here, with the power of the regular drivers. Might just be the end of a longtime quest, and a real big winner :thumb:....
can i start trying those T's with only the 28b's bridged over the drivers (and maybe going upward from that, or do they really need separate amps per driver(set) to begin with?
Marius
James - what does real world dynamics mean to you?
The ability to play really loud?
What it means to me is the jump factor - quick rise time, and the ability to play differences in loudness, not just loud but the micro differences.
I've always interpreted that when people use the word dynamics they are usually referring to how loud the system will play which is just one aspect of the definition.
Model T Home Theater Surround System:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65692)
james
James, cool looking speakers! What is the advantage of two tweeters (or dual tweeters)? I've not seen many other manufactures use this design. Did you experiment with a single tweeter version to compare? thanks!
James, a couple more questions:
What is the price to add the bottom Plinth to each speaker.
Does it get bolted on?
Do you have the prices on the center and surround speakers.
Hi James. Hard to see the HT speakers that are not Model T. Do you have separate pictures for the others?
Dave
James you mentioned there my be a metal plinth. Is that still a possibility? :scratch:
Hi James,It is great to see interest in active T model. :thumb:
As usual, you are introducing another great Bryston product. I can not wait to hear them and see if I need to upgrade again...
I do have a question about the active setup on these speakers. Can it be arranged with 4 channels of amplification - 1 channel for the lows and 2nd channel for the mid's and highs?
Ciao,
Luigi
Hi James. Hard to see the HT speakers that are not Model T. Do you have separate pictures for the others?
Dave
Thanks James for the improved pictures of the HT speakers.
Like the Model T, they look similar in outward appearance to Axiom speakers. The size and innards of the Model T of course differ. For example, where the Model T has 8" woofers, the M80 has 6" and is substantially larger.
Do you have any details on these speakers?
Dave
Hi Dave,
No details other than to keep all the drivers and polar responses the same when assembling a surround system and therefore the driver compliment must match as close as possible.
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65702)
Home Theater Matching Set
Not only haeve you designed outstanding speakers James, but the added ability for the center and surrounds to levitate will really help with mounting problems too!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65702)
Home Theater Matching Set
Yes all he models have optional anti-gravity adjustments. :lol:
James
Lookin' good. Are the tweeters Titanium (I hope) :thumb:
Thanks James. I have JBL Ti 044 tweeters and regardless of what some think they are a good choice in my book. Are those the 8 inch woofers in the pix? I think we are on the same page in many old and proven ways.. Cheers... :thumb:
Yes- 3 eights which equals a 15.
james
I believe PMC's top-of-the line BB5 speaker has a 15 inch woofer.
James, could you explian how 3 eights equals 15.
Dave
7.1 fully active ... T'ease
===3==1
3=====3
2=====2
=2===2=
... 18 channels of amplification and 4 digital X-overs : )
James what an absolutely brilliant marketing strategy .
Seriously ... I could envision an active center channel to timbre match the mains. It will be very interesting to do a side by side comparison of the passive and active X-overs.
Question ...
Does the Tri-center technique also apply to the T's or is it strictly a Maggie thing?
Shawn
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65702)
Home Theater Matching Set
I've been following this thread since the beginning, and have one question. How can these speakers sound good? They break so many audiocircle "rules" ...
- they use metal tweeters
- they don't have waveguides
- they don't have OB bass
- they don't have ribbon tweeters
- they aren't open baffle design
- they don't have exotic drivers
- they don't use exotic caps and inductors
- they don't use mega-buck binding posts
- they don't have external crossover boxes
- they are not encased in ego-stroking humidor-like exotic veneers
- the cabinets are not made of stacked Baltic birch
- the internal cables aren't made of silver or expensive/exotic metal
I've spent a lot of time on this site, and others for that matter, and have major concerns about a speaker that only relies on solid engineering in a relatively conventional design. Okay, it has twin tweeters which is relatively uncommon, but otherwise it appears to be a carefully designed speaker in a conventional enclosure.
Other than the sound, what ego-stroking features do you plan to offer with this speaker line? You know, things that may not actually contribute to the sound but allow the owners to brag about when their friends come over for a listen or when they post on audio forums? These speakers only seem to focus on good sound and accurate measurements. In my experience, this only accounts for approximately 40-45% of the average audiofool's decision making criteria.
How is the guy with a preamp that has a two inch thick CNC'd aluminum face and huge, albeit half empty case, going to brag about these speakers when the only thing you seem to have focused on is great sound? These speakers don't fill the "audio jewelry" requirement of so many audiophiles. Would you consider a special addition to target this segment?
How do you plan to address the other"important" features most audio "expert" consumers clamor?
Hi,
I think a Maggie thing as it appears to work best with Dipole type speakers.
james
When I ventured into multi-channel, HT because it was a progressive upgrade path. I just used my previous front direct radiating speakers for surrounds. I've always been curious if dipoles for surrounds would have been better. I heard dipoles in surround mode at dealer show room and it sounded pretty good. Actually that is partly where I got the idea to use the long wall for multi-channel, HT application.
So the question is, did your tests determine which is better for surround duty, direct radiating speakers or dipole?
I've been following this thread since the beginning, and have one question. How can these speakers sound good? They break so many audiocircle "rules" ...
- they use metal tweeters
- they don't have waveguides
- they don't have OB bass
- they don't have ribbon tweeters
- they aren't open baffle design
- they don't have exotic drivers
- they don't use exotic caps and inductors
- they don't use mega-buck binding posts
- they don't have external crossover boxes
- they are not encased in ego-stroking humidor-like exotic veneers
- the cabinets are not made of stacked Baltic birch
- the internal cables aren't made of silver or expensive/exotic metal
I've spent a lot of time on this site, and others for that matter, and have major concerns about a speaker that only relies on solid engineering in a relatively conventional design. Okay, it has twin tweeters which is relatively uncommon, but otherwise it appears to be a carefully designed speaker in a conventional enclosure.
Other than the sound, what ego-stroking features do you plan to offer with this speaker line? You know, things that may not actually contribute to the sound but allow the owners to brag about when their friends come over for a listen or when they post on audio forums? These speakers only seem to focus on good sound and accurate measurements. In my experience, this only accounts for approximately 40-45% of the average audiofool's decision making criteria.
How is the guy with a preamp that has a two inch thick CNC'd aluminum face and huge, albeit half empty case, going to brag about these speakers when the only thing you seem to have focused on is great sound? These speakers don't fill the "audio jewelry" requirement of so many audiophiles. Would you consider a special addition to target this segment?
How do you plan to address the other"important" features most audio "expert" consumers clamor?
Hi jackman,
At Bryston we sell PERFORMANCE not FURNITURE :thumb:
james
James,
Thanks! So you are going to try to introduce speakers based on solid design and performance? Can you at least offer a special edition with cabinets made out of three inch thick CNC'd aluminum and Cryo the whole thing? I know of more than a few audio "enthusiasts" who would fall...I mean go for it.
You guys know I'm kidding, right? Compliments to James for the gimmick-free, fundamental approach to this design.
Glad to hear about the real wood thing. For me plastic outer coverings are a cheap look robbing much of the class you have built in to your efforts. This is not " furniture" but something I have always expected from a fine product. :thumb: Oh and another thing. I would like to see a more substantial plinth like black granite or a cement based material. IMO
James,
As you are developing the surround sound speakers, can I ask if the design of these speakers are at a minimum size. If you take for example the size of centre speakers from some manufacturers, it is as large as the main speakers and is difficult to position between the mains- often looks odd too. We do want the best performance, but space is challenge for placement of these speakers. Just some thoughts..
Ciao,
Luigi
I agree with you Redbook. $6K + speakers should not be vinyl clad.
Tony
With real wood they are no longer a 6K speaker --- they are a 7K speaker. If you want real wood at 6K what should I leave out ?
James
James, That is just my opinion. I personally would not be interested in the 6K vinyl version but I may well be interested in the 7K wood veneer. I think you have come up with a great speaker concept. It will be interesting to learn how the sales go - vinyl vs. wood veneer.
Tony
I think the great thing James is doing is to let the customer decide what he wants: lower price and vinyl or higher price and wood. Best of both worlds. It looks like a sensible solution that let's everyone have what they want.
Dave
Instead of an vinyl option (haven't seen it), I would instead like a Studio finish where it is just painted matte black like the PMC stuff. If this is the same cost as vinyl, I'd opt for the studio finish.
Matt black is good for me. The simple finish would go with any decor. :thumb: Will there be grills for the final model? :scratch:
Yes, I would be more apt to buy a matt pro type finish if this keeps the cost down .Then again, all things being equal, what's another 1000$ at this point to get a bit more class? :wink:
Is vinyl actually classier than studio black??
Ah,,,might we expect studio black vinyl??
James is it safe to assume.
The center speaker will have 2 x 8" woofer 2 x 5.5" mid and 2 x 1" tweeter and tri-wireable.
The surround 2 x 5.5" mid 2 x 1" tweeter and bi-wireable.
The surround is to be put on a speaker stand, or will it be wall mountable.
Will that be a matt or shiny finish James. To me a flatter look seems more austere and serious . :thumb:
James what are the cone materials of the black drivers? :scratch:
I just seen a picture of thiel 3.7 "Burst" speakers....wow are they some gorgeous.
The cabinets were made at the Gibson guitar factory. Google them, they are something else.
James,
What amps were you using on the active speakers, for the audition.
Excellent review James, you must be extremely happy but equally excited as the Model T begins it's journey out of your demo room into the great wide open.
Which begs the question, do you think there is any chance of the Model T showings it's drivers on this side of the pond? I'd love to hear the passives but it's the actives that really appeal, if they are not going to make it over here maybe it's time for a trip over for a Bryston factory tour to sneak a quick listen :wink:
Hi Folks,
I decided to let a few people in the industry that I respect over to hear the new Bryston Model T loudspeakers. Got this today.
james
From: Mark Jones
Sent: August-11-12 3:57 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Bryston Model T Loudspeaker
"Hi James,
Thanks for the invite to audition the new Bryston Model T loudspeaker.
So, as I look at this tower, with a million drivers in it, I think OK just another speaker, how boring is this gonna be?
What I was not prepared for, was what I heard.
Top to bottom coherence like no tomorrow. A tonal balance to die for. Not surprising being developed by JT, fantastic imaging and sound-staging, what a disappearing act.
I had the luxury of hearing both active and passive versions. The passive being one of the best values in audio, and the active maybe the best I have heard at any price.
Well done James."
Mark Jones
Whitby Audio Video.
James, based on what you've written about the Model T's development, the role of Axiom (and my experience with its M80), and your work on it, I'm not the least bit surprised by this reaction. My guess is that the Model T will cause quite a stir in the audio world.
Bryston seems to be on an incredible roll with its product introductions. The hits just keep on coming.
Dave
Hi Dave
Thanks - although speakers are probably the most subjective component in any system I think many of our customers will appreciate the Model T.
James
Hi Vipers
It will be up to the individual distributors as to whether they carry the speakers in their market. It will obviously be a difficult choice for some as many have other obligations to a speaker line.
James
Hi Folks,Hi James,
Sneak Peek!
Bryston Model T Bookshelf Speaker.
It is essentially a “MINI ME” version of the full Model T.
No pricing as of yet ( hoping less than $3000 the pair suggest list US) and I am going to use a Black Bryston Logo instead of the Silver shown.
Available at the end of October.
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67027)
Hi James,
Is this available in active also?
What size woofer are you using?
Looks very nice indeed. :thumb:
That is nice.
It is bi or tri wire?
Also, have you set a price for the center speaker yet..
Hi Folks,
Sneak Peek!
Bryston Model T Bookshelf Speaker.
It is essentially a “MINI ME” version of the full Model T.
No pricing as of yet ( hoping less than $3000 the pair suggest list US) and I am going to use a Black Bryston Logo instead of the Silver shown.
Available at the end of October.
james
Very nice James. Could be a interesting double-blind listening test down the road with Axiom's M22V3.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67047)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67027)
Hi James,
Are going to let the magazines have a listen to these and as well as the larger model T ? Anything lined up to introduce them upon mankind? :D
Mark
Hi James,
A few questions on the new Bryston loudspeakers:
1) Rough dimensions both the centre and surround speakers?
2) Will the speakers be shown at the TAVES show in Toronto :o?
3) When will the speakers be available to be purchased :thumb:?
4) Any specifications that you can provide on the subwoofer?
Ciao, Luigi
James,
I am confused.
You said the first production run is sold out, I was not aware that any of the speakers could be pre-ordered.
Also which speaker was made during the first production run, that was sold out.
MEMO: To All Bryston CustomersJames,
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Loudspeakers Feedback
DATE: September 2012
Hi Folks – David is a professional sound engineer who has won many awards for his work in Movies and TV sound.
“Hi James,
Thanks again for making the time this afternoon for a first listening session with Bryston's new passive and active T1 speaker systems. Comparing the subtle differences between the two setups was a lot of fun and I love the flexibility you've built in for your customers. We've had many conversations about the relative merits of active vs passive speaker designs, and with a few simple choices you've managed to address them all.
From a performance point of view, both systems are top notch. I've always loved the sound of your listening rooms, and these new combinations are as good as I've heard. While I loved both systems and don't think they differ too much, the active system with the three Bryston power amps truly was one of the best sounding Hi-Fi systems I've had the pleasure to hear.
I'm looking forward to more time with them at TAVES and perhaps down the road if you are able to send a review sample our way at The Inner Ear. I'd also love to try the smaller pair at the studio in my new sound design suite.
Thanks again and well done.”
David McCallum
Partner / Supervising Sound Editor
Tattersall Sound & Picture
James,
Which power amp did you use to demo the active?
He is taking about three amps.Did you use a pair of 7BSST2 and two 4BSST2?
HiThat is the Way to go James. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Yes - 2-7's and 2-4's with new DSP crossover on the Active and a pair of 28B's on the Passives..
James
That is the Way to go James. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Just out of curiosity!!!!
As far I always been very satisfied with the 7s for bass in number of active systems and never asked for more but did you try the 28s to drive the bass and see if really would change performance or not.
I think it would be too much.What would you think?
Thanks
You keep posting pictures just to drive us crazy.. right :lol:
Have you set a date as to when we will be able to place an order through our dealer.
Now that I'm home, listening to my own system and speakers, with similar Bryston amps, preamps, processors and players, I hear flaws in my speakers that I have not perceived before.
Exhagerated highs, mids that don't join seemlessly with the lower and upper frequencies, and that gracefulness that I described with you when listening in your sound room.
It's an interesting discovery. /quote]
Too bad he doesn't name the speakers he owns to draw a comparison and add weight to his story. :wink:
Hi
I know what they are are (name with-held) and they are a very well respected product.
james
James,
Is it possiblel for me to audition the Model T's in the Netherlands? Does Mavico have a pair?
Marius
Hi James,
I had to ask because before you mentioned not all dealers will have Model T's. Hope you will give us the opportunity. Some way or another.
Spoke to numerous audiophile colleagues, and they were interested to say the least. I'd be ready to buy them unheard, but believe an audition would help your case greatly.
Marius
Hi James, I admit I don't know about testing and meaurements, especially the finer points, but I do at least look at graphs, like the ones you posted on the Model T, when they are made, such as in Stereophile reviews.
These seem to show a degree and level of flatness that I don't recall having seen before.
Is my memory worse than I thought? Am I misunderstanding something?
Dave
What is "Ratio vs Freq"?
Hi James,
Could you comment on the graphs below 50hz, they all seem to deviate from "flatness". Does this indicate the need for a dedicated Sub, or, on the contrary, would you say these graphs show/prove how flat Model T is, in comparison to other Speakers.
Marius
Good question :thumb:
Most Anechoic chambers will not allow for an accurate measurement below about 50-80Hz (otherwise their size becomes unrealistic) so what is done in our case is the bass response measurement is made on a pole outside the factory 100 feet in the air and then that measurement is used and over-layed with the anechoic response to get an accurate response below 50Hz.
So you can ignore the response below 80 on the graphs. I will try to get you a much more technical answer from Ian as well.
james
Hi
I assume Mafico would be interested as they do not distribute a speaker as far as I know.
James
Hi James,
any sign from Mafico yet? october 1st Vat rises again this side.... :cry:
Marius
Hi Marius
I will check but the first 40 pairs are pre-sold in North America so I do not think our export manager has assigned any overseas sales yet.
james
Hi James,
What sort of amplification would one need to drive the active version of the model T?
Would a BHA1 do the trick by any chance? :roll:
Could be a naive idea, but would complement my lineup quite nicely.
Always wanted to try active speakers.
Heard some active ATC's that were stunning.
Cheers,
Bob
Hello James,
Are the Bryston subwoofer' cabinets with port or sealed-box design. Any detailed spec/measurements you can disclose?
How much is their MSRP?
Thank you,
Klao
James ,are the mini's stands available as well from Bryston?
The stands seem to be similar to these: http://www.axiomaudio.com/fms-qs-full-metal-stand.html [which would be fantastic because those are great!]
From: Audio Ideas Guide
Sent: October-03
To: James Tanner
Subject: The New Bryston Speakers
Hi James,
It was good to see you at the show, and I was delighted to hear the fruits of your collaboration with AXIOM, pretty much the best sound that I heard in any of the TAVES rooms.
The frequency balance, bass extension, and dynamic capability are superb on first listening, very akin to what I heard when I went home to my own Veritas/ads hybrids that I've developed over the past year or so.
I think you've gone somewhat beyond the best AXIOM designs that I've heard to date, so CONGRATULATIONS!
Andrew
James,
What are the specs for the model T's? Thanks, Pete
Dome midrange drivers?
Sorry,
Not paying attention.
What are the Model T tweeters? Dome I assume, metal, fabric,.....?
Axiom doesn't seem to have the brochure :scratch:
It was just a thought, sorry :duh:
It seems the Model T needs a classy plinth to give a finish to the entire look. I would like to see an inch thick aluminum base with spikes or rubber feet options. "Bryston" could be laser cut into the plinth to match the other Bryston components. This would add some stability to the rather tall cabinet as well. What do other members think? :idea:
James is there a closer pic of those outriggers? Are they available from Bryston?
I had a pair done up for the show so people could compare it to the plinth.
I will see if I can find a close up from the show pics.
James
Hi Folks - I hate grills but need some input - of the 2 Model T shown any preferences?I would say this one is nicer for this floorstanding speaker.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69206)
Hi James,
Are you showing the model T this year at RMAF or no?
HI James,
Do you have any other colors in mind? I know that I am still disappointed with my own black ESL's though I was very sure at the time i ordered them from the folder..... Real black holes in my room, especially now they are accompanying my flatscreen tv.
I would think something in the line of the aluminum Bryston look would be very stylish and have the industrial Pro look, just like your alu line of electronics. Anything like that in the options?
other than that, I always feel that formfactor should not prevail/distract, so no pyramid for me...
Marius
Hi Marius
We can do exotic colors but to get started I figured we would start with 3. Of the 43 pairs ordered 23 are Black, 6 are Natural Cherry and 14 are Boston Cherry. Any other color would be special order
James
Hi James,
I meant the grills..... sorry for not being clear about that. Cherry or black, with aluminum grills, a great combination?
Marius
Hi Folks - I hate grills but need some input - of the 2 Model T shown any preferences?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69206)
James,
The one piece look is far sleeker. It would be nice to do as some others have done and put the same magnets or retaining posts in the rear of the speaker to hold the grills when removed from the front while listening. Maybe you've already thought of that but it's very convenient.
Sorry these didn't make it to RMAF :(
Tom
James,
There were too many highlights to list as it was a great show :thumb: I would love to go to the Toronto show one of these days as well.
I listened to a German 3-way speaker I'd never seen in the US, the Elac FS 249BE, and really enjoyed it. Apparently they're well known in Canada these days. At about $8k US, it would be a direct competitor to the T's so that would have certainly been interesting to compare. No active options, but very well executed with their own custom drivers. Based on the sound, I suspect it has similar design goals to your new speakers. By the way, they had a top rear port that was "pluggable" and the grills hung on the back right below that :wink:
Tom
The Canton Vento series would be another competitor from Germany .
Cherry or black, with aluminum grills/quote]
I'll second that request. If not, then the first one works. :thumb:
Mark
Hi Folks - I hate grills but need some input - of the 2 Model T shown any preferences?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69206)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69207)
Thanks Steve, not certain I follow the math, but very helpfull nevertheless.
James,
Great demo of the Model T at Audio-One today. Nicely balanced, good bass and incredible dynamics. Physically bigger than I thought they would be, I liked the outriggers.
I could really tell the difference when you played a song with some (not even a huge amount of) compression, I do not recall hearing a speaker that had the same dynamics. For future demos you may what to have a few tracks that are heavily compressed to highlight how bad some of the recordings are today and to show off the dynamics when you switch to a song with less compression.
I was impressed.
In order to understand your comments better, how are you defining dynamics - the ability to play really loud or ....................
In order to understand your comments better, how are you defining dynamics - the ability to play really loud or ....................
I can second JeffO's comments concerning the Model T demo at Audio-One. I appreciated the fact that James let the speakers do the "talking", no hi-res material, no mega$ speaker cables, he kept it nice and simple (pair of 7BSST2) and I must say the Model Ts sounded very detailed and clean - a bargain for speakers of this size against some of the other classic hi-end speaker giants in the market today. Well done James! :thumb:
P.S. Can't wait to get my SP3 (17" Black) :drool:
Excellent explanation James and yes, that is what I was shooting for. A speaker that can handle transients at ANY loudness level, especially at low to moderate levels. It is not often that I listen real loud, but that is what I find common in most explanations of dynamics.
What I am after (and it appears you too with this design) is the difference between high and low sounds and accurate transient response without compression - at any volume level - correct? That is what makes music sound real.
True!
When there is live music playing at a house nearby you instantly know its not reproduced but produced.
Would be the biggest complement for a sound system if it sounds like live music from a distance.
Cheers,
Bob
James, I am curious about the Mini T. Is it a sealed box or ported design? If ported is it designed for flat frequency response or is there +-db bump in the 60-80 hz region to accentuate mid bass?
Thanks, Al
James,,question about the dsp crossover version,,would you consider making a dsp crossover with a digital input and integrated volume control?? With all do respect..would there some theoritical loss of performance from the Dac 2 into the dsp crossover? Also you're adding another step of transcoding even though done very well!
Hey James,
Great, this was one complaint I had about the centre speaker. Do you have the new dimensions of this speaker?
I believe the surrounds are 24" in length and wonder if there is a chance to reduce size to 18"? Also, can these speakers be oriented on their longest side on a shelf?
On the subwoofer, has there been any developments - active or passive unit? If passive, what kind of amplification would be required - 5b st enough?
Just a general question about impedance of speakers(4 or 8 ohms), can you use both types in a surround configuration without concerns of timber or impedance matching issues?
Ciao, Luigi
Hi James,
I was referring to the Bryston mini t speaker, which I believe measure approximately 24" inches in length(height). What I was asking is if dealers are asking for something smaller in length(height), 18" inches would be great and keep the same performance of this 3 way speaker.
On the passive sub question, 300-600 watts of power is from one or more channels of amplification?
Ciao, Luigi
Hi James,
Now I got it too....
Just wondering as you have reduced the size of the centre speaker by mounting the tweeter and midrange above each other. Could this work for the Mini T speaker as well? This would standardize the speakers and possibility reduce manufacturing costs as well... As you can tell I have space constraints with my present shelves that hold my surround speakers, so it height is reduced than Mini T speaker is an option in future... :thumb:
Ciao, Luigi
Hi James,
Have you ever thought to add the model T active to this list?
I think it would be a great competitor to the rest as price/value active package.
I see that Linkwitz just added his new LX521 to the list.So I assume you could do it.
http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/HW/ActiveSpeakers.htm
Hi Folks
We have about 20 pairs of Model T passive speakers out there now so should be able to provide some feedback for you soon.
James
Wow...I haven't been around in a while and looked what I missed :)
James, what is the MSRP of these things with the real wood veneer upgrade?
Keith
$6495 per pair in vinyl finish and $1000 per pair more in real wood finish US suggested list.
james
$6495 per pair in vinyl finish and $1000 per pair more in real wood finish US suggested list.
james
James,
What are the real wood finishes available and have you made any yet (do not want to be the first and would like some pictures)?
Jeff
I think it would be impossible to tell in a picture vinyl from real wood.
james
That may be true but I still like to :drool: while looking at the monitor :o.
Where can I find the real wood finishes available?
Email me and I will send you the brochure - jamestanner@bryston.com
Is it a different brochure than is posted on the Bryston website?
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_PASSIVE_BROCHURE.pdf (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_PASSIVE_BROCHURE.pdf)
Steve
Email me and I will send you the brochure - jamestanner@bryston.com
Standard finish is Black Ash, Natural Cherry and Boston Cherry.
james
It's Monday so I am a little slow. Are the 3 colours available in vinyl and real wood or is the Black Ash vinyl and the cherry real wood?
Great James,
Can't wait to hear them on our side of the pond! Any idea when that could be. Would buy them unseen and undemo'd but guess you would not approve of that...
Cheers Marius
Hi Marius
We have sold all we can make so far in NAmerica but our Export manager is talking to a few distributors now and hope to have some avaiable in January.
James
I'm already broke/broken, so the Model T's.
I'm the(PITA) Located in Winnipeg, Bill M. has aided me with my addiction.
James,
Will Bryston loudspeakers be exhibited at either CES or T.H.E. Show in January?
No Sorry Don - this happened at a faster pace than I assumed (in fact it happened when I had no intention that it would) so we had already made arrangements to share rooms with Thiel and Magnepan.
james
James,
Thank you for the prompt response. I am curious. What other things are you "not intending" to do? :lol:
Great writeup. I was almost convinced about the Model T without even listening. But, I don't even know DaveNote?!? Who is he affiliated with?
James,
Was the Model T passive always supposed to be only bi-wireable, or was it originally going to be Tri-wireable.
Also is the Large Centre still an option. If so, can my dealer order one, and what would be the expected delivery time.
James....the Model T were delivered today and I like to say well done :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71536)
I was thinking the same thing.....your thoughts?
Thanks - looks like we need some outrigger stands for the Model T 's in that terrific room. :thumb:
James
James,
Who are the outrigger stands made by. Link?
Hmmm, I don't see them on your site. Maybe i am blind.
Do you have any pics, prices.
James,
Are the large center's going to be available in the Signature Series or Active Series?
Or, are the Signature series and Active series going to be dedicated just to the Model T.
The Bryston Model T
A Daring Venture:
Bryston's new Model T speaker is not only something new on the horizon, it's also something of a daring initiative undertaken by a company that has established a world-wide reputation by making highly regarded audio equipment for the professional and residential markets.
The company has taken a leap - especially a leap of faith - by entering the intensely competitive speaker market in a challenging price range and at challenging time for audio makers and sellers. The basic passive cross-over Model T retails for $6495 US.
With diminishing numbers of specialty stores catering to customers in this price range, particularly ones willing to keep products on hand, Bryston would appear to have made another daring leap, namely to clad its basic model in vinyl, something that I don't think other manufacturers have attempted for products set at this price level. It would appear Bryston may be ahead of the curve by recognizing that most customers going to one of its dealers are most likely to order the Model T, and those who want real wood laminate finishes will order these at an extra $1000. Others will see the vinyl finish is top notch. My Model T, even up close, and side-by-side, is indistinguishable from the wood veneer on my $24,000 PMC MB2i speakers. If would-be customers have demoed the Model T carefully, they will conclude, as I have, that the critical real thing about the Model T is how it performs.
So Bryston, long believed to be a conservative company, would seem to be taking something of a gamble in this new venture, and in the way it's doing it.
But Bryston is also a smart firm, so it has hedged its bets by collaborating with a well-established speaker maker, Axiom Audio, which also is based in Ontario, Canada. Not only has Axiom proved itself in its field, but it also shares key common engineering and corporate values with Bryston.
Both Bryston and Axiom believe strongly in designing products that produce the highest possible accuracy in sound reproduction, and in the process of developing them they test, test, test. The goal is to make audio components produce music that is as close to the real thing as possible. In effect, what these companies want is to have what they make to disappear from the listener's perspective. They want me to get caught up in Miles Davis' playing, not in how the gear sounds.
Axiom has rich experience and depth in designing, engineering and testing speakers. Bryston, because it wants its electronic equipment to bring out the best in all speakers, has had to know how speakers sound, which means that it has depth and knowledge about speaker performance.
The Bryston/Axiom match sure looks like one made in heaven to me.
Biases and Preferences:
Before getting down to the nitty gritty of the Model T, it's only fair to state my biases and preferences.
• First, I love Bryston equipment. I've been using its audio products for over 30 years. They invariably have exceeded my expectations, and this was one of the reasons that bet my money on its speaker gamble.
• Second, my own bet on the Model T, admittedly, like Bryson's bet, was a hedged one.
I own an Axiom M80 tower speakers. Readers and members of the AudioCircle may recall that I wrote a lengthy assessment of these speakers as compared to my PMC MB2i speakers. My startling conclusion was that the M80s are more linear, meaning tonally balanced, and accurate. It was psychologically, and financially, painful to find that the $1500 M80s, to my ear, sounded better than my great PMCs that carry a price tag that is more than 15 time higher. It was a bittersweet revelation, but I learned a lot from it.
• First, I never again will fall into the trap of assuming, as many audiophiles do, that price equals performance.
• Second, I discovered that Axiom is, like Bryston, dedicated more to the performance of its product than to a desired price-point.
• Third, I learned that Axiom makes terrific speakers on par with some of the best in the business.
• Fourth, I was dramtically pulled back to my roots in assessing and owning speakers.
All speakers have some kind of sound signature. The MB2is are, still, in my mind, wonderful, but their signature includes a very full, rich bottom end, and somewhat recessed and rounded-off high end. But given those two traits, my perception is that they are tilted to the low end. For this reason, they seem less tonally balanced to me than the M80s that are not biased toward any frequency range.
That bias may be just what some listeners want. But it wasn't what I was looking for when I started buying audio equipment seriously well over 40 years ago. I looked for tonally balanced speakers. I shied away from JBLs because they seemed biased to the mid range. I briefly owned Boston speakers. I returned them when I found them much too boomy.
I've owned Epicure Quads, way back, two different Mission models, the highly praised Hales Revelation III, PMC IB2s, MB2s, B&W 685w, and as I have said, the MB2is. Over that time, I gradually developed a taste for less than tonally balanced speakers.
The M80 grabbed me by the ears and brought me back to my original preference and goal, making it, overall, the most satisfying speaker I owned. Until now.
When I heard that Bryston and Axiom were teaming up on a new speaker, I just knew it eventually would be sitting in my sound room, if I could afford them.
The Model T:
I am not a believer of the breaking-in of speakers in the sense that the speakers, in and of themselves, have to be broken in. My experience with speakers has made me a member of the school of thought that breaking in has more to do with the listener becoming accustomed to a new sound signature over a period of time.
I knew before I received the Model T that this kind of breaking in period would be greatly foreshortened. I did not expect the sound signature to be dramatically different than that of the M80. I already was "broken-in" to the sound signature.
With a larger box, as well as larger and more numerous bass drivers (3 eight inch ones), I expected there to be much more bass with the Model T. But I was concerned that in making the Model T more of a powerhouse in the bass end, the excellent tonal balance of the M80 might have been sacrificed. For me, the question was this: Will the Model T have the tonal imbalance I found in the MB2i?
Quick answer: No way. These are superbly balanced speakers.
Appearance:
Not surprisingly, the Model T looks very much like the Model T, only taller. A lot taller at 52 inches. And they are heavy. At 108 pounds they are the same weight as my MB2is, which cannot be moved by a single person with less than extraordinary strength. I suspect that the size of the box as well as the bass drivers are what do the most to separate the Model T from its smaller cousin, the M80.
I like my speakers black, to match my equipment. The vinyl cover on my Model Ts look just fine to me. I happen to like plain, unobtrusive designs in audio equipment. I was surprised to see that each speaker has four dust covers. When they are used, the divisions between them add a small touch of elegance and distinction. But my dust covers are off. I learned that my M80s sound a tad better without dust covers.
Like all Axiom and Bryston equipment, there is nothing glitzy about the overall design. For those who are looking for marvellous furniture (yes, Wilson is what I have in mind) or theatrical curves and configurations, look elsewhere. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I haven't a clue what others might think of the look of the Model T. My guess is that most users, especially audiophiles who will be using them often with their eyes closed, will find their appearance more than acceptable.
Listening:
Equipment used: Bryston 7BSST Squared monoblocks, Bryston BP preamp, Bryston BDA-1 DAC, Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player, Transparent Wave speaker cable, all other interconnects, good basic cable. All music sources are files ripped from CDs. Volume, just above 9:00.
My favourite test cuts:
• Dave Brubeck, Take Five: The music fills the room. Paul Desmond's opening alto sax is well-centred on the soundstage and the sax has the patented Desmond smoothness. The acoustic bass is full and rich without the least bit of flab or boominess. The drum work is what I like the most on this cut. Played from the centre to the left, it has lots of slam (more than the M80) - visceral. The cymbals are bright and clear. The snare drum tucks up in the corner of the room, and has the hard strike I look for. Lots of depth, and the imaging is very, very precise and stable.
• Roy Brown, Starbucks Blues: Roy Brown's always rich acoustic bass is very much on display on this cut. It shows off what a speaker can do in the bass end. In the opening passages, at this modest volume, the room shakes with the Model T. The M80 and MB2i are very good. This is much better.
• Max Roach, Max's Variations: A drum set solo from one of the best ever. He uses everything at his disposal in a stunning performance. If you like drums, cymbals and cow bells, all played to perfection, this is the cut to use. And the Model T reproduces it to perfection. The drum set "is in the room."
• Fleetwood Max, Dreams. Great crashing cymbals in the opening passages. I like the crystal breaking sound of this opening cymbal work. The M80 does this well. The
Model T does it better - more controlled, more life-like.
• Miles Davis, So What (from Kinda of Blue): My only reservation about the M80 is that on some program material, its very accurate tweeters reproduce some cuts and sounds in a way that I hear a rasp that sounds like distortion. It isn't, but it is not a pleasant sound. It is especially irritating in the opening passages of So What. At this volume, a volume that fills the room, it is barely detectable, and even then only because, I suspect, because I'm looking for it. Miles never sounded better. The brassiness of his trumpet comes across with an edge I haven't heard before.
• Paul Bley & Jimmy Guiffre, Owl Eyes. The low end of the opening piano passage makes the instrument sound "in the room" with the MB2i, but not so much with the M80. That marvellous effect is back with the Model T, but with greater authority in the higher registers.
• Dave Grusin, Theme from St. Elsewhere: I have been using this cut to test new speakers for decades. It is electronic music. I look for the piston-like sound of the bass section, but I don't want it to overwhelm the other parts of the piece. If speakers don't send a chill through me when listening to this, then they may be good, but not what I'm looking for. With the Model T, St. Elsewhere is now pretty much all chills. Fabulous! (Ditto Special EFX, Dancing with a Ghost - especially hard drum strikes.)
• Airto Moreira & The Gods of Jazz, Nevermind (from a Stereophile Test disc): Great acoustic bass on this one. On the Model T it is full, rich, very powerful, and excellently controlled.
• Pink Floyd, High Hopes: The birds in the opening passage sound as if they have been released into my room. Never heard this better. The vocals are clearer than they ever have been. This is especially satisfying given that the near-overproduction of this song can make it hard to hear the lyrics. I love the bell at the end of the piece. I look for it to move gradually to the right until it fades backward into the far corner. With the Model T it is walked back brilliantly.
• Bonnie Raitt, I Can't Make You Love Me, Eric Clapton, Old Love, James Taylor, Mexico, Sara K. If I Could Sing Your Blues(High Resolution), Renee Fleming, River Songs (Great piece from the Grusin/Ritenour Two Worlds album): The Model T handles singers markedly better than does the M80. The slight edge on voices of the M80 is almost entirely gone. Their voices are fuller and sweeter. Not as sweet as on the MB2is, but they are more life-like.
• Internet Radio: I often listen to Dinner Jazz Excursion (128kbs), an Internet radio station which I play over the BDP-1. This is not the highest quality for a source. It probably is MP3. But the jazz mix is just what I like, and the overall sound is somewhat smoother than my CD-based sources. This makes for excellent background music when I am reading. Still, if the music is engaging, and the audio is right, even this poorer source will have the effect of forcing me to turn from my reading and pay attention. Both the M80 and the Model T have this effect, which is another sign to me of special speakers. My guess is that the Model T will have me doing more listening and less reading in the days ahead.
Summing Up:
Taken my listening experience altogether, I find the Model T to be extraordinary.
I was told by its builders that the Model T was like the M80, but on steroids. I disagree to this extent. It is powerful, filling my room to be sure, but it does more than that just make the Model T sound more muscular. It makes it more refined. More authoritative.
The bass extension truly makes a significant difference, without losing the great balance/linearity of the M80 This adds to the M80 an important sound characteristic I missed in moving from my PMC MB2is, namely weight. Excellent.
But this bass is a refined bass. Not boomy, flabby, "brassy". Very controlled, but with guts.
The added bass extension, I believe, gives the speaker this refinement over the M80: in a way it's even more balanced - the mid range and treble, while not being overwhelmed by the terrific bass, are better defined, and more attractive. Human voices are sweeter. They, too, have greater weight and sound more authentic.
The Model T has is great depth to the soundstage, and its imaging is even more pin-point accurate than the excellent imaging of the M80.
The Model T has not eliminated the occasional high-end harshness I find on the M80 altogether, but it is greatly reduced, perhaps because the tweeters now sit well above ear level. On the other hand, because I've sensitized myself to this issue, the detection of this sound just might be a quirk of mine rather than that of the speaker's. I wouldn't doubt that I might be among a very few to even notice its presence.
The Model T, in my opinion is not just a good speaker. It is outstanding. I think it is a great one. The greatest? My Passive version is supposed to be trumped by the higher priced Active model, which also requires a considerable investment in additional amplification, cabling, etc. If the Model T is an indication of how good the Model T can be, then perhaps the Active version just might be the greatest. Since I am of the age when I no longer have the prospect of a rich uncle dying and leaving me a bundle, I'll never know.
But this I do know. Through the years I've spent a fortune on speakers and this indisputably is the best one I've owned.
The Axiom M80 comes in a strong second place, and for that reason is well worth considering for a main audio system by the budge conscious buyers who want accuracy in sound reproduction. But the Model T, greatest or not, most certainly is the best speaker I've ever owned.
I see the level of its performance as being all summed up in the name.
It reproduces music to a T.
DaveNote
ADDENDUM
From: Davenote
Sent: November-30-12 8:34 AM
Subject: Addendum to My Review
These are impossibly great rock speakers. I spent the day listening to my old favourites, which date me a lot. They hark back to the days before Rock died. Some are quite ancient. They include early Fleetwood Mac, the Doobie Brothers, Chicago, Simon and Garfunkel, James Taylor, Steely Dan, Foreigner, Carly Simon, Supertramp and, yes, even Gary Wright (OMG!). And many more.
A number of these cuts weren't recorded very well. Hearing them through the Model T is, I swear, as if they have all been skillfully remastered over night. Listening to U2's Joshua Tree, for instance, with these speakers makes its great songs come alive in a way they never were for me before.
Third, I noticed in my original review how well the Model T handles lower quality material like Internet radio. This presents a new opportunity for me, and perhaps others.
As an audiophile, I have been reluctant to go downscale in the quality of source material. But buying CDs is becoming more difficult: finding fewer in the stores of interest to me or waiting for delivery from online stores. And High Resolution is no where near prime time for me. The selection of music is too limited for my tastes in music, the albums are expensive, and doing hi rez is not simple. Hey, I got into digital music to end disc flipping, to make listening to music easy, not to become a computer geek.
Anyway, after all these years, last week, I bought my first iTunes album. I couldn't resist Philippe Saisse's cover of Steely Dan's Do It Again. With the Model T this ordinary downloaded MP3 recording is over-the-top good.
Conclusion: after years of slowing my acquisition of music, these speakers will get me back to lower cost, easy music purchasing. With the marvelous "T" I'm going to be adding many more iTunes albums to my collection. I'm thinking - Dave, you now can get the Stanley Jordan, Lyle Lovett and Tord Gustavsen CD albums that I put on my Amazon wish lists but hesitated to buy, all with a click. Gratification is terrific, bested only by instant gratification.
In many ways, then, this has been for me, after 40 years of buying audio gear, one of my much sought-after events as an audiophile - a breakthrough purchase that makes not incremental, but dramatic changes.
Some have asked what the "T" stands for.
If you hear these speakers, the answer will be obvious - "Thrilling".
Davenote
James,
A few questions on the External Active crossover.
Is it 1 box for each speaker, or 1 box for both speakers?
Do you Have pictures of the Current Active crossover? Or pictures of it connected?
If Someone purchased the Signature Series and upgraded to Active, would they trade in the External
Passive crossover, for the Active and pay 2000.00 difference?
Hi James
The speakers you have now look really good especially in your non black finishes.
Compared with some of the older proto models you posted, there are added drivers to the final speaker. What was wrong with the older less driver driven speakers? I have to admit I am bit worried by the amount of drivers I see on the model-Ts. Mind you this comes from a point of view of not hearing them yet. But I am worried that there is going to be a ton of high treble frequency at lower volumes.
Hi Werd,
Yes the final version is the 5th version of the speaker over a 2 year design period.
Given the 'design parameters' of 'very wide power response' and 'lack of dynamic compression' it turned out with this array of drivers. I know we will take some hits from the "this can not possible work group" - (of which I was one prior to this exercise) - but all I ask is listen and decide for yourself if it works or not. :thumb:
james
Thanks :thumb:
I am looking forward to hearing them as soon as pulsworks gets their demo shipped in. He has a pair now but they are spoken for... :o. They are being sold blind just because of your reputation which is cool.
One other thing, did the bda2 play apart in voicing your new soeaker. Did it play a part at all in getting your midrange and treble presentation?
James,
Will the active crossover have any user adjustments. If so it would be a giant killer.
Werd,
I really like how the Model T's fill the room. In stereo mode the sound stage is so good that at one point I actually got up and checked to see if my center speaker was on
"But I am worried that there is going to be a ton of high treble frequency at lower volumes"
Not that I have noticed
If you are in my city, I would let you hear them....
James,
Will the active crossover have any user adjustments. If so it would be a giant killer.
Werd,
I really like how the Model T's fill the room. In stereo mode the sound stage is so good that at one point I actually got up and checked to see if my center speaker was on
"But I am worried that there is going to be a ton of high treble frequency at lower volumes"
Not that I have noticed
If you are in my city, I would let you hear them....
Yes in that the original Model T's were a custom pair of Active speakers for me and I use them now for all my listening tests.
james
Here's a really tough question. Would your model-Ts be different in speaker config if the bda1 was used. Or would there have been any differences in the final speaker.
P.s
You got your bda2 priced too cheap. At 2300 you are almost giving it away...lol.
No the speakers would be what they are regardless - I was just looking for a speaker that would be as neutral as possible.
james
That's good to hear. :thumb:
ATM your Mini Ts have my interest also. Not to mention I know I can get them on trial from pulseworks due to move ability. Are you selling stands with them?
The stands look nice. Do you get the outboard passive xover with Mini-Ts also?
Hi James,
Yesterday you've sent us mail about the external Crossover in the signature modelT. Not yet on this board? Please could you explain how to connect this crossover to the amps? How to connect Hi, mid, and lows on the crossover to the single outs on the amps?
Adding to that, if I want to keep the 10b sub crossover for my Rel B1 ( model t's don't go that deep don't they?) would that make any difference in hooking up?
Thanks,
Marius
Hi Marius
On previous page (39) there is a picture of the cable setup for you.
The Model T measures flat to 25 Hz but you can still use a 10B and Sub if you wish.
James
So can you use a 10b in place of the outboard xover? Or do o have to use both when using the 10B?
Hi Marius
On previous page (39) there is a picture of the cable setup for you.
The Model T measures flat to 25 Hz but you can still use a 10B and Sub if you wish.
James
HI James,
You mailed this pic of the crossover
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71870)
and it has 3 l and r (tweeter, midrange and woofer) in - and outputs.... My amps only have 1 left and right. On page 39 i do see several cable go into the crossover, but how are they connected to the amps?
Thanks!
Marius
ps crossover looks amazingly Bryston :thumb:
Marius,
Yes you get 2 crossovers 1 for each speaker.
On the output from each 28b you would use the 2 cables james showed in post 791. See the right side of the picture. the four connectors would plug into the +/- and +/- on the back of the amp(you have 2 outputs on the back of the 28b). The six connectors would plug into the INPUT on the crossover +/- low, +/- Mid, +/- high. Then another 3 cables are required to connect the six OUTPUTS of each crossover to the low,mid,high on the speaker.
Ok, hadn't thought of the double outs on the 28s, great!
And James, it wouldn't by any chance be possible to have the active crossover built with an active/passive selectorswitch, thus preventing customers to have to buy 2 crossovers, once in passive for the signature Model T, and once when upgrading to active Model T's?
And please, will the active crossover have a 10bsub built in, or, in other words, will the active crossover enablemthenuse of a sub, for the sub-bass...?
Thanks,
Marius
Yes we are going to do a Custom Stand for the Mini t's.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71792)
james
Ernie Fisher – INNER EAR REPORT+1 :thumb:
My listening test so far — that is with 7B SST Squared, Aesthetix and Allnic amplifiers — has shown to me that the Model Ts are one of the very rare designs that, because of it's own high rating of neutrality, lets one hear all backup components.
In addition, they sound better than some of the mega-buck brands we all know.
Price/performance is way out of whack — something like 20/100%.
Be proud Bryston . . .
My Rosewood Model T's - almost ready!!!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72258)
james
My Rosewood Model T's - almost ready!!!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72258)
james
James, I have been watching this thread for a while but had to sign up just so I could say how stunning these are!!! Absolutely beautiful.
I hope there will be a pair coming to New Zealand, as I am very interested in these.
I will get hold of the distributor in NZ early next year to see what they can arrange.
Cheers and keep up the great work,
Paul
My Rosewood Model T's - almost ready!!!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72258)
james
Ernie Fisher – INNER EAR REPORT
My listening test so far — that is with 7B SST Squared, Aesthetix and Allnic amplifiers — has shown to me that the Model Ts are one of the very rare designs that, because of it's own high rating of neutrality, lets one hear all backup components.
In addition, they sound better than some of the mega-buck brands we all know.
Price/performance is way out of whack — something like 20/100%.
Be proud Bryston . . .
Been thinking about new speaks to replace my 22 year old Infinity 9 Kappas since buying my 7B SST2's a couple years ago and these sound like an ideal choice to retain the big dynamic sound of the Kappas while improving upon their balance and slightly congested midrange.
In my situation it looks like the external active alternative is a stretch as I would have to spend at least another $10 or $12K to provide six Bryston quality channels of amplification. The Inner Ear snippet above is encouraging but it doesn't say whether he's using the passive external or internal crossover with the 7's. Anyway, what I'm in need of at this point is a comparative analysis of what improvements would be experienced using the external passive over the internal passive as well as what I am missing by not selling the 7's and buying a pair of 6's and going the active route.
James, in addition to the great job you have done with these you have created the need for a matrix to figure out the optimal permutation of amplification, cabling and crossover in a given situation. Perhaps you could develop a variation of the JL Audio Sound Analyzer Kit iPhone app and expand upon its amp calculator function :lol:.
MODEL T AMPLIFIERS
Matching Bryston Amplifiers For Active Model T Loudspeakers
MODEL PAIRS
9B SST-3-Channel 9B SST-3-Channel x TWO
6B SST2 6B SST2 x TWO
7B SST-2 /3B SST2 7B SST2 x TWO with 3B SST2 x TWO
7B SST-2 /4B SST2 7B SST2 x TWO with 4B SST2 x TWO
What does holding $5 bucks and having a big grin using a 14B get ya in your new speaks?
Anything under the Xmas tree from James Tanner this year? :thumb: :lol:
Yes the Rosewoods are going to Vegas for the show in January and then I plan to hi-jack them for home.
james
James,
Stop playing with my emotions. In reply 744 you said the Model-Ts would not be at CES or T.H.E. Show. Now you say they will be. In reply 745 I specifically asked you "What other things are you "not intending" to do?". :lol:
Details please:
location?
active or static display?
which crossovers?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Hi James,
MODEL T AMPLIFIERS
Matching Bryston Amplifiers For Active Model T Loudspeakers
MODEL PAIRS
9B SST-3-Channel 9B SST-3-Channel x TWO
6B SST2 6B SST2 x TWO
7B SST-2 /3B SST2 7B SST2 x TWO with 3B SST2 x TWO
7B SST-2 /4B SST2 7B SST2 x TWO with 4B SST2 x TWO
Hi James,
Just my thought beside your list which I always recommended the same to so many people.
If we look at the entry level for any of this folks who would like to go active in the future but keep the cost low and use less space, then how about a set up with 4BSST2 and a 9BSST2@4channel.It would encourage more people for few reasons and the benefit of having more power to drive the woofers.2x9BSS2@3-channel would take a same space as 4BSST2 and one 9BSST2@4-channel and would cost same also but would be better to have more power for woofers+more people have the 4b already and it would make it easier to switch to active by adding a9BSST2 instead of changing the whole setup.
Hi James,
Just my thought beside your list which I always recommended the same to so many people.
If we look at the entry level for any of this folks who would like to go active in the future but keep the cost low and use less space, then how about a set up with 4BSST2 and a 9BSST2@4channel.It would encourage more people for few reasons and the benefit of having more power to drive the woofers.2x9BSS2@3-channel would take a same space as 4BSST2 and one 9BSST2@4-channel and would cost same also but would be better to have more power for woofers+more people have the 4b already and it would make it easier to switch to active by adding a9BSST2 instead of changing the whole setup.
On that note what about a pair of 7's on the woofers and a 4 channel 9 for the mid and high for those of us who now have a pair of 7's. Would that be too much diparity in power or would 140 per side be fine for the mids and highs? James, you sly dog, you gotta be lovin' this. Everyone trying to figure out how many more Bryston amps to buy. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy :thumb:.My main idea was to keep the entry level and space in mind but you would not be happier if you could use a pair of 7s or 14 instead of 4.
Hi
The external crossover has a few improvements over the internal. The external uses air core inductors as well as high tolerance Bryston Capacitors.
If you see yourself moving towards an all Active system in the future then I would recommend purchasing the Model T SIGNATURE version (which includes the external crossover). That way you simply replace the outboard passive crossover that goes between your power amp and speaker with the Active Crossover that goes between your Preamp and Amps.
I will list the current Bryston amp options as well in a few minutes.
james
Is there an audible difference between the internal crossover and the Signature version? Is it worth getting the Signature even if I do not see myself moving towards an all active system?
Hi JeffO,
That's a great question because I'm beginning to see this proposition as two way with a major cost difference between the two as opposed to a three way unless, as yoiur question begs, there is a discernable difference between the inboard and outboard passives. The active is far more expensve than the $2-$3K for the active crossover itself. You are looking at no less than $7-$8K and potentially twice that for 6 amp channels depending on the situation. Additionally you have more cabling to deal with etc. In my situation I have to view the active Model T as a $16-20K speaker having to add either a 4 channel 9B, (2) 4Bs or (2) 3Bs to my existing 7's (although the dual 3B's is not making sense when compared pricewise to a 4 channel 9-somebody correct me if I'm wrong).
The big difficulty is it wiill be impossible for most of us without Bryston dealers nearby to demo the three side by side. Alot to think about because "the demo is everything". Hmm, where have I head that before :scratch:.
Hi Paul
Yes I believe our Australian Distributor is planning on bringing in the speakers soon. We are currently sold out but should have more available come Feb.
james
Hey Dyna
Long time no talk to. I have been lucky to be able to sit infront of a pair of model-Ts at the local dealer. These are the internal xover ones. They are pretty nice and definitely worth consideration. The outboard xover gives a three way while the internal are bi wire. I would get the external for sure only because the internal model are good and external xovers will just give you less distortion or more resolution, which ever way you look at it.
WERD! Dude, how are things up yonder in Saskatoon? Getting a little nippy this time of year I bet. Do you still have your Zen Adagios? If so how do the Model T internal passives compare (not looking for good or bad, just how they sound). Before I became aware of the Model T's I had it boiled down to the Marten Design Djangos, ML Summits, Thiel 3.7, Maggie 3.7's w/JL F110s leaninng toward the Djangos. The Model T's w/outboard passive are at an attractive price point compared to that bunch so they have caught my attention. As I recall you have one of the better sets of ears among the Bryston AC buds so I always appreciate your thoughts. Hoping you get to hear the external passive and active so you can report back.
Cheers!
FIRST OFFICIAL REVIEW - Bryston Model TVery nice James. :thumb: :thumb:
http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_T.shtml
james
Very nice James. :thumb: :thumb:
Yes the Rosewoods are going to Vegas for the show in January and then I plan to hi-jack them for home.
james
Will they be on active display?
No - we had already contracted last year to share a room with Thiel in the Vegas Audio Show.
james
Model t mini added to website :thumb:
Model t mini added to website :thumb:
http://bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_T_Mini.html
james
I was looking for the dimensions and weight but don't see either spec or a document in the Browse Technical Documents link in the specifications section.
Steve
Hi James,
Hope the next run of the model T's will produce 500 pairs, so there will be one or two pairs available for europe. Guess the succes took even you by surprise. Great way to finish the year I should think. For now I am perfectly happy listening to Puccini's Messa di Gloria on your stupendously good BHA.
All the best wishes for christmas and far beyond,
Bob
Merry Christmas, James! You did say all the early reviews we're seeing were done with the internal passive x-over, right?
:duh: forgot to ask when you will have a matching center coming, and maybe a price point on that?
maybe 2 8"midwoofers, 2 5.5" midrange and a single 1" tweeter. ooooooh sounds so nice.
:thumb: so cool! i was that close.
looks like the model t center would make an awesome vertical surround pair. just turn the 2 tweeters.
sorry to re-ask, but what is the price per pair for the mini t bookshelves?
Can someone tell me how the model Ts hook up in back, ie bi-wire, tri-wire, single? I looked but couldnt find info
hi James,
what is the minimum/maximum watts to drive the standard Model T Center in regular wiring, not bi or tri?
are those 8" and 5.5" drivers? what is dimensions of Model T Center?
thank you for your time.
good morning James,
thank you for quick replies. :thumb:
would the 6bsst2 be overkill to run the Model T's and Model T Center? i would also purchase the SP3 for first purchase.
later in the year i would like to then purchase 4 more Model T Centers for a 7.1 surround home theater, (i have some cheaper speakers for 7.1 for now) just because the Model T Centers look so awesome. here's a question for the 4 Model T Centers.....can i run the 2 pair with 2 4BSST2's @ 500watts into 4ohms, or can i get away with the less powered 9BSST2 @ 200watts into 4ohms? is it ok to have one unused channel in the 9BSST2?
sorry to ask so many questions. i am just trying to figure out a great sounding Bryston home theatre.
Model t mini added to website :thumb:
http://bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_T_Mini.html
james
Hi James,
Which Bryston amp would you recommend, as a minimum, to drive the Bryston Mini-T speakers?
Quick question on the active version of the Model T's. I am thinking ahead and if I like what I hear I may opt on the active Model T's. Is the active crossover before the amps or after? Will I have to have 6 seperate channel of amplification and if so could I use say 2 14B SST's to drive the 4 channels of bass and mids and then get maybe a 4B SSTS for the tweets? This would be a mix of horizontal and vertical biamping...but would it work? In other words I would have a 14B SST on each speaker vertically biamped one channel going to bass one to mids. Then one 4B SST2 horizontally amping the tweets only...what say James?
A lot would depend on room size and the levels you listen at etc. They are 89dB so I would say a 3B or 4B would be a good choice.
James
Any development progress on the subwoofer design, James?
Thanks.
Would the new B135 handle the Mini-T's?
James,
Would a late 4B-ST do a good job of driving the model T's, with the 4B-ST driving the Model T's in stereo mode?
HsvHeelFan
Hi James, we were just discussing on this side of the Pond, we have assumed that PMC will not bring your speakers into the UK, does that mean we will never see them, or can there be another route?
Cheers
It's a good question an something I will have to discuss with PMC. It would be nice if we could work something out :thumb:
Open for suggestions :scratch:
James
It would be nice to think PMC would, making distribution easy for you. However, given what they have done to us with the recent BIT pricing I am not sure they would give you a fair fight for sales. The obvious thing to do would choose one or a few specialist retailers who could be your conduit.
Cheers
Hi Folks,
The official mini t's production version have landed in my soundroom 1 - doing some listening tonight :thumb:
As tall as those stands appear to be and the resulting height of the tweeter and midrange, do you watch movies standing up, or am I seeing just a distorted perspective in the photos? ;)
Steve
Yes I was thinking with recent introduction of the Specialty Bryston dealer in the UK maybe only those few select dealers handle the speakers if they want?
James
Good Day James,
Any idea what the Canadian retail price will be for a pair of stands (black) for the new Mini-T speakers?
James,
Will the Model T or Mini T be sold individually?
When I rebuild my new Home Theatre, it will have an accoustically transparent screen. Ideally, I want all three front speakers to be identical.
James,
Would it be possible to post a pic of the back of the T-Mini loudspeaker that shows the binding posts?
Also, can the T-Mini be either bi-wired or bi-amped?
Thanks!
Hi James,I'm interested.
#1 what are the pricing of Bryston subs.
#2 What type of warranty will they have,a lot are 1-2 yr,an exception is Thiel subs which are 10yr.
Is BRYSTON the exception also :green:....................hope I didn't put you on the spot :lol:..
Hey Werd,no not as yet still pondering Maggie 3.7's.
I'm sure they sound really good.
For now curious about the subs,hopefully James will respond.
Hi James
With the out board xovers. Do you jumper on the input to achieve all three woofer mid and tweeter?
Yes will try - it is bi-wire-able.
james
James,
Any chance you can post the pic of the rear of the T Mini so that we can see the binding posts?
Although i never owned Bryston,i think here is a example of just plain different thing,and yes i could be very wrong.Ok you hear the word sub and you or at least i do square cube somewhere in room.Then Bryston comes out with this and the first thing you notice is no cube,and then i look at the pic and i see Bryston again coming out with thier own way of doing things instead of the cube.So simple yet its looks like a heck of a way to pound out some lows.
Hey James,
We still lookin at March before the next shipment of Model T's?
Good looking subs, James. :thumb:
Are they sealed-box design? Can the subs' internal crossovers be set to run at 30Hz or 25Hz & below?
I'm thinking of maybe adding a pair of subs to my Maggies 20.7, but I guess I might have to try various cutoff points (down where the subs should be active) in order to blend with the planars. Most subs in the market offer down to only 40Hz cut points.
Thanks.
Front and Back shot for you of Mini T Boston Cherry finish
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73845)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73846)
James
Thanks for the pics James, it's greatly appreciated! That's one gorgeous speaker! :thumb:
Hi James,
It's my first post on this fab site. Say all the details are available from you, on the JT Towers' crossover, might you elaborate on the details of the Mini T crossover, pretty please :thumb:
Richard, at the Audio Agency :beer:
Can you post a pic in
natural
Thanks
Can you post a pic in
natural
Thanks
Wow and I thought a beautiful blonde was ... :duh: ... what is her name, cause a just fell in love again! Hey James, which type of wood is 'natural' and is it semi-gloss or ? She's a beauty! :icon_lol:[/font]
Looking from far away at The Audio Agency :thumb:
Thanks for the reply "... natural cherry" wood but is it a Satin, Semi-gloss or Gloss finish?
James, the cost of the model T ACTIVE in hardwood is?
Hi
$7495 a Pair plus $3000 for the dedicated Active Crossover.
james
Hi James,
is that one six channel crossover unit?
If so might it be developed for other speaker designs?
A pair of 10Bs come out rather pricey for normal triamp setups.
They look lovely by the way!
Tim
For the Bryston Mini T speakers, would you have the dimensions?
James,
Also, what height are the speaker stands for these?
You know what $2500 typically gets you now?
Hi James,
Do you have any news on whether we will ever see your speakers in the UK?
Cheers
hiya James,
okay someone has to ask......can you please post the prices for the 2 centers, the sub, and the new middle T's?
also, is the sub self powered?
thanks James.
What sub? Have any pics been posted? :scratch:
« Reply #894 on: 16 Jan 2013, 06:23 pm »this thread
Steve
Hi Folks,
Shot of the new Bryston floor standing ....."MIDDLE T" speaker.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74922)
james
Beautiful! :thumb:
What are the dimensions of the Middle T and what will be their Canadian retail price (black finish)?
Also, will the Middle T be bi-wireable or bi-ampable?
Last, do they have a rear port?
Hi James,
When do you expect that the Subwoofer will make it's appearance on the Bryston website?
HsvHeelFan
James,
I was interested in what kinds of inputs it has and if it has built-in bass management.
Hmm, Bryston sub with my KEF's or just spring for a set of Model-T's? It's an interesting dilemma.
HsvHeelFan
very nice looking sub. Good thing you didn't place a passive version beside it - don't think the table would hold it given the bend I see with just 1 sub on it :wink:
8) nice sub amp. are these 600 watts rms? do you think you will sell them seperately somewhere down the road?
Rear of Model T Sub
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75032)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75040)
Hi Kloa,
They are ported.
james
Hi James,
The sub looks sealed; a change in design or is it front ported?
Thanks,
Klao
C'mon guys a lighted power switch costs only a few cents more..... and the "purists" camp please refrain from posting BS on how an LED "would add noise to the audio signal".....
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75151)
There is a Power LED near the top at the volume control that indicates power on or off.
james
Speaking User Interface design, if it's indicating presence of power it should be located near the power button not the volume one?
James, audiocircle members -
would you be so kind and provide little bit of clarity on THD+Noise measurements of the Model T speakers posted earlier ?
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=97007.msg1130499#msg1130499
From what I understand those 2 charts show energy level of THD+Noise of the speakers relative to the output power. 2 test cases - 90db and 95db while THD+Noise hovers around 60db. Which would indicate 2 things - distortion of the speakers is not power dependant and is very linear (i.e. THD+Noise) remains the at same level though power level increased from 90db to 95db. however, delta between the two is only about 30-35db which would indicate distortion in the range of several 1.7% or 3% respectively which seems to be way too much ...
Have seen simmilar measurements of other speakers (i.e. Axiom M80 @ http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/axiom_m80v2/) but their measurements were done at 2m distance so it would not be comparing apples and apples, but most of the speakers exhibit delta of more then 50db through out the 50hz-10khz range.
Thanks in advance for your explanation !!!
Gaha
Hi Gaha
OK - will ask engineering for you.
james
I have a 10 year old 14 BST. Will this power the model Ts satisfactorily?
It would be interesting to read some comparison between the two beasts.
Hi folks!
Just noticed Axiom has released their new flagship speakers LFR1100 which seem pretty similar to Model T, rear firing drivers aside.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/omnidirectional-speaker
It would be interesting to read some comparison between the two beasts.
T
It becomes obvious what the LED is indicating.
Otherwise you may want to silkscreen "Power" under it, as not to be confused with "Clipping", "Signal in nominal range" or some other indication related to Volume (not power).
I may have missed a detail in my quick review of this thread , but have the Bryston Mini T started shipping to dealers in Ontario - looking for an audition and a purchase . Price point for spec and early reviews are very positive . The medium size units , pricing around the 4000.00 dollar mark - as per James , what is the scheduled release date on those units ?
Thanks so much ! Great forum !
Hi KingstonMoon
Yes the mini t is available now - they are $2550 a pair list - where are you located??
james
Hi James !
Here in Kingston ! Looking at the black finish . Excited to give these a try !
Shawn
OK great - contact Mark at Whitby Audio 905 668 0787
James
Excellent ! Mark it is , Whitby Audio ! This is the start of another complete kit of hifi . A SimAudio Moon/ PMC setup at present and is a keeper but a dedicated Bryston top to bottom commences real soon . Got to give the Mini T a serious look and listen - love what i see so far ! Fall - winter 2013-2014 is a dive into the gear !
Is the local kingston fella , Larry , still a dealer on the Bryston ?
Thanks James !
Hi
No Larry is not a dealer for the speakers.
james
That's a 10-4 ! Im down GTA very often , will call Mark as soon as tomorrow - im off to Autoshow friday and may pitstop - but back the next friday for a couple concerts over the weekend . Ears may not be good for detailed listening lol .
Great - let me know what you think.
James
Comparing the 108 lb. Bryston Model T with 3 x 8" woofers and the 66 lb. Axiom LFR 1100 with 3 x 6.5" woofers, I would expect the Bryston to be "beastier".
The LFR 1100 has passive crossovers, as the two sets of speaker posts are for the front and rear drivers. I didn't see any details on the included external DSP processor, but I would assume there would be some provision for attenuation of the rear drivers to dial in the preferred effect?
Steve
It becomes obvious what the LED is indicating.Give it a rest.
Otherwise you may want to silkscreen "Power" under it, as not to be confused with "Clipping", "Signal in nominal range" or some other indication related to Volume (not power).
Nice cones on that LFR, reminds me of Yamaha NS-F700 :P
Why are you such a negative person????
james
Why negative, did I say NS10? :nono:
Maybe its me Mapalm, and forgive me if I am misinterpreting, but it just seems most of your comments are based on "the glass is half emptyl" most of the time. ???
james
Give it a rest.
Napalm, pay attention please!
The divine Vegasdave has commanded! OBEY!
James you're "profiling" me now.... if I'm black, wear a hoodie and have a bulge in my pants doesn't necessarily mean that I'm up to mugging you.
OTOH if the glass is not full, why should everyone talk only about the full side? Is there some conspiracy here and I'm breaking the rules? Initiate me.....
James what will the warranty be on the model T's and the subs.
Will both model subs have 8" drivers,thx.
Hi Folks,
First 'official' review on the Bryston mini t speaker:
http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_mini-T.shtml
james
I think you want people to spend some more coin as even 5yr warranty is good,but 10 yr,That's Bryston all over it.
Have to say two other very well known sub companies which I used their warranty was 1-2 yr and all those subs I had, had amp trouble or they just died.4 of them I bought used(only 1.5 yr. old,new well over 3000)not impressed.
I recall reading an article in Stereophile way back when (at least 10+ years) written by Russ Herschelmann where he recommended using passive subs for a variety of reasons. My first sub was powered but then I replaced them with very well regarded passive subs. I found this very beneficial because:
1. I just needed to run speaker cable to the passive sub vs running a line level cable and power cable if there was no outlet nearby.
2. I could choose my amps. Yes this an expensive proposition. The amps generally found in subs are not exactly high quality as per the quote above.
3. it made running multiple subs easier (some amps have daisy chaining capabilities and or have the one mono signal sent to both channels without the use of a splitter)
4. In addition to the amps, I had to add my own PEQ - again more $ but more flexible
Subs will generally come in these flavours
A. self powered (majority of the market)
B. passive but accompanied by an external power amp
C. passive
Maybe Bryston should consider option B or even C so servicing could be easier and provide more flexibility. If option B, then the woofer and cabinet can also be warranted differently / seperately from the amplifer. If the Bryston sub is servo controlled C is probably not an option. If mating the amp with the sub is critical maybe a combination of A and B. Design the sub so the amp can be integrated as part of the sub eg sits on top of the sub so it is essentially A but the self contained amp section can be placed in a different location essentially B.
James has the model T active sub been compared to other subs such as the SS-2,F-113,DD-15 ect perchance.
Wondering where it sits in the sub domain as far as performance(which I'm sure is very good).
I imagine you have compared to your SS-2's.
Hopefully your allowed to answer.
Also when will dealers(Alberta)be getting their hands on these,thx.
I remember a thread somewhere(think it was JL audio)where they were testing their subs outside,the F-113 I believe.
So James when are these subs out and what's the MSRP and when does Audio Ark get one so I can demo :green:..
Also as an aside - in our testing I found that if you need more sound pressure and low distortion Sub playback you are far better off adding a second Sub rather than purchasing a larger single Sub. The 2nd Sub really helps reduce room resonances.
This is interesting. A little OT maybe, but in your opinion, would two decent 8" 'budget' subs be better than a single, slightly-less 'budget' 12" sub, based on your research?
James as the Model T sub is a plate amp and she delivers 600w,how does it compare to say the 7Bsst2 or are the amps totally different beasts.
Just thinking as they both do 600w,course no heat sinks on the model T sub so maybe a lot more efficient.
Also as an aside - in our testing I found that if you need more sound pressure and low distortion Sub playback you are far better off adding a second Sub rather than purchasing a larger single Sub. The 2nd Sub really helps reduce room resonances.
Any chance there'll also be "Mini T Sub", so I can afford to get 2 of them? :wink:
Hi Folks,
Some pics of the 600 watt amp module in the Model T Subwoofer
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75163)
Does it have a shield that was intentionally not installed for the photo session, or will Marius have some cell phone trouble with this one too?
:P
James,I'm curious for the model T sub as to the 8" drivers even though there are three of em.
Was there any thought say using 10, or 12's.Course if the T sub surpasses some well known 15's I think I'm in.
I'm old school where I think and still do a bigger driver will move more air but maybe harder to control.
I don't care how big the sub is or the drivers it's the bass quality,lowend,mid bass punch ect.that count.
Have to audition 1-2 of these just to see and compare to my _ _ _ _as I have not heard anything like it yet.
Have to light a fire under Roberts butt to get a few in at AA.
Mhhh James it seems you're quite selective with your answers, but inquisitive minds really want to know - is the Bryston sub amplifier shielded or not?
Isn't that an european certification? BTW I just realized that the one in the pics is marked CE but no UL/ULC, and there's no 110/220V switch visible, will you have different makes for the north american / european markets?
Any pics?
Some recent shots of the new center, sub and Model T
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75970)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75971)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75974)
Hi James,
Forgive me if this has been asked before, but the sub looks like the bottom half of the full Model T. If this is true, do I really need the Sub then, if playing the Model T?
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius,
You would not need a Sub with the Model T's - they are good down to 25 Hz. The External Sub would go a little lower (17 Hz) but would be more suited to a Surround .1 channel or to augment the mini t's. The Model T Sub is actually a little larger than the bottom of the Model T because we needed the larger internal volume.
james
Great - let me know what you think.
James
Mini T ! Absolutely Awesome lol ! Bryston has a huge new category of excellence with the Model T line . Listened well and long with the mini T last friday . I am fully impressed - blown away ! This is the start of something real good !
Great work James !
Well thanks - much appreciated :thumb:
Absolutely - I would say a 4B and above is ample power for the Model T.
James
How about for the Mini T and Middle T? Would a 3BST be ample amplification?+
And how would a 2B-LP do with the on-wall/in-wall speakers as surrounds?
Thanks!
-Matt
+
Hi Matt
A lot depends on the levels you listen at and the room size but under normal circumstances the 3B would be fine with either the mini t or the soon to be Middle T. 2B-LP will be fine on the onwalls.
Folks I have to say the mini t is just one of the best speakers I know of - they continue to surprise me :thumb:
james
Email sent to dealer ! Mini T on order ! :D
any specifics and details , lead time on the made for Mini T stands ?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76101)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76102)
Dunno James, too much gear, no comfy place where to sit.... I'll trade it any day with the esthetics of a shisha room... belly dancers are welcome too....
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76101)Nice. :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76102)
mini t's with mini T Center
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76164)
:thumb: Now we're talkin'..... can you do them in bleached maple???
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76169)
Sure as a special order :thumb:
James
Hi Folks,
For those that have been asking for a shot of the model T's with grills.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76177)
An exercise for James and audio gear designers in general. Here's a more generously sized room, can you try to hide the previous setup here so it doesn't distract/disturb visually.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76232)
We build performance speakers not furniture or hidden speakers - in-wall speakers are horrendous sounding :thumb:
james
I agree up to a certain point. Those Mini-Ts would eventually fit in there (note that I made it easier for you through color choice) *if* the stands would be less obtrusive and in a more matching color. The center speaker is a no go but for a stereo setup we don't need it. Amps can visually disappear unless you insist in having an "equipment rack" (IMHO they're just ugly glorified storage shelves). This leaves the subwoofer very proud and visible, maybe this vertical arrangement of 3 drivers isn't the best from an esthetic pov?
C'mon James we can do better if we design for living (or shisha :icon_twisted:) rooms not for man caves. Help the audiophiles with a high wife acceptance factor and sales will go up through the roof.
i have a hunch in that room if the Model T's were in that room that you would get the belly dancers back and the hookas would be smouldering again..........Party for one :wine:.
Na I am bored with trying to pretend that great sound is possible with speakers in walls or tucked away in cavities. Great three dimensional sound has specific speaker placement requirements needed if you want state of the art.
I realize it is not for everyone but pretending that great sound is possible with no attention to proper setup is a myth in my opinion. It is intended to satisfy the casual listen and not for me. :thumb:
james
In a studio they always have nearfields and/or midfields as well as the in wall monitors. I have done many recordings with people like Jack Renner from Telarc as well as sat in on many movie scores while they were being recorded and mastered and they always use quality mid or near fields for serious recordings.
james
Are we talking control room/recording or mastering?
OTOH, how exactly would you fit a near field system in the shisha room previously pictured? Installing the speakers in the center of the room? Moving the couch there? :scratch:
Is that what Bryston had in mind with the Mini_T? Near field?
I've browsed the "Systems photo galleries" here on Audicircle, except for some very cramped rooms and man caves, everyone else is set for far field.
Generally in Mastering the mid fields are used and yes they are 'in the room'. :thumb:
James
Napalm I am not saying 'most' people will do what I do in ringing as much performance as I can from my system but to tell people sure go ahead stick those speakers in the corner or install those ceiling speakers and you will get great sound is just an outright falsehood.
Ya but this is my passion and I can not think of a better way to spend my life. :thumb:
james
:lol:
Poor napalm hasn't figured out the that recording and playback are two entirely different hobbies. Or animals.
Yes the recording industry uses an even number of working tweeters. While certain playback folks are mesmerized by the sound of odd numbers.
Try and make 1 tweeter work. Dare ya. I got it to work in mono and excellent too. At the very least you will learn a lot about tweeter cohesion and harmonic balance. Until then I will let you continue stumbling around with your photos of studio set ups. Trying to make comparisons of recording practices vs playback preferences.
Sure Werd whatever you say. Next time don't forget to mention the CABLES cohesion and harmonic balance too. :lol:
Hey Napalm I like your avatar. It's perfect, demonstrates how you destroy your own hobby. Under that pile of flames lies your poor stereo I am sure. :lol:
Looks to me more like a pair of Acoustic Zen Adagios blowing their tweeters.........
Sharp looking system. any dealers on radar for BC.
James, I noticed the passive Model T's have 2 sets of inputs, I would have thought a 3 way speaker would have 3 sets, or, just one, what is the reason this?
I plan on using your speaker wire, my 6B is much closer to one speaker than the other, 4ft vs. 8ft is there a performance issue if the wires are different lengths?
Thanks
found this interesting read:
Will active speakers finally get the kind of attention from audiophiles they deserve?
http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php/features-menu/general-interest-interviews-menu/343-active-loudspeaker-systems-on-the-rise-peter-roth-talks-with-andy-payor-laurence-dickie-and-richard-vandersteen
Cheers!
Marius
Hi James,
Any ideas as to the price roughly? Is the second picture Walnut w/ real vaneer
Mark
Still working on final prices on the Centers but looks like about $3000 for the Model T Center and $2200 for the mini t Center. Hope the Middle T will be about $4000 the pair.
The Sub is $4195 and has a 600 watt internal amplifier.
james
Quote from Feb 7? Darn the Middle T's went up $600 :)
James,
Do you have approximate pricing and dimensions for the on walls? Don't recall seeing this. I won't hold you to it :green: May I suggest modifying the first post or create a new locked thread so for all the speakers, have the following listed:
- official MSRPs
- dimensions and weight
- Frequency response
- max spl
- power handling
This will give a quick snapshot of the speakers. I know this would help me greatly since I am looking at the Model T (passive), Middle T and Mini T's for the three fronts and the on walls for the sides. These factors will determine which speakers will best fit physically (and budget) in my setup (in construction) then I can audition appropriately.
Quote from Feb 7? Darn the Middle T's went up $600 :)
James,
Do you have approximate pricing and dimensions for the on walls? Don't recall seeing this. I won't hold you to it :green: May I suggest modifying the first post or create a new locked thread so for all the speakers, have the following listed:
- official MSRPs
- dimensions and weight
- Frequency response
- max spl
- power handling
This will give a quick snapshot of the speakers. I know this would help me greatly since I am looking at the Model T (passive), Middle T and Mini T's for the three fronts and the on walls for the sides. These factors will determine which speakers will best fit physically (and budget) in my setup (in construction) then I can audition appropriately.
James,
Thanks for posting the url links (has the MSRPs) and specs so they can be easily compared. The on walls have a different driver complement (thought it would be the same as the Mini-T). I guess trade offs had to be made to make the on wall speaker that size. The 3.5" depth is amazingly thin. You stated in a previous post, that the Model T, Mid T and Mini T can be purchased as a single (vs pair) so that I could run three identical speakers in the front. Is it safe to assume the single speaker price is half of the price per pair?
Bigalsworth
Junior Member
Mr. Tanner,
I was able to listen to a set of passive Model T's @ Pulsworks in Saskatoon SK and they sounded ridiculously awesome! I sat and listened to them with David Puls, the owner of the store, for about 45 minutes and he had a ton of great things to say about Bryston.
Right before I listened to the Model T's I was listening to a set of Martin Logan Ethos and in my opinion they didn't hold a candle to the Model T's. David put on "Flight of the Cosmic Hippo" by Bella Fleck and Fleckstones and my jaw dropped at the bass coming out of those speakers.
I am more of a home theater fan and am building my basement at the moment, what would recommend as surrounds to match the Model T's?
Scott
Bigalsworth
Junior Member
Mr. Tanner,
I was able to listen to a set of passive Model T's @ Pulsworks in Saskatoon SK and they sounded ridiculously awesome! I sat and listened to them with David Puls, the owner of the store, for about 45 minutes and he had a ton of great things to say about Bryston.
Right before I listened to the Model T's I was listening to a set of Martin Logan Ethos and in my opinion they didn't hold a candle to the Model T's. David put on "Flight of the Cosmic Hippo" by Bella Fleck and Fleckstones and my jaw dropped at the bass coming out of those speakers.
I am more of a home theater fan and am building my basement at the moment, what would recommend as surrounds to match the Model T's?
Scott
I should stop by at Pulsworks for a listen. That's the thing about Dave that I like doing business there is he makes you feel welcome.
I stopped by at a new audio store on the east side. Mostly entry level gear, but nice stuff. The salesman played one song for me on a cd then shut it off. I had like an hour to kill while I was working. Maybe it was the way I look, I dress like a bum. I will never walk into that store again as that little gesture of shutting off the cd made me feel unwanted. :cry:
Hi Folks,
Factory shot of the Bryston Model T speaker in a special Zebra Wood finish.
James
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77300)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77301)
Hi Rick,
The standard stocking colours are Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry and Black Ask and now Walnut. Rosewood has been popular but I thought something a bit more stricking might be fun to show.
We can really do most finishes as a Special Order so no official list as such.
james
Do you have a pic. of the Model T in the standard walnut finish?
Thanks
Hi James, is gloss black an option ?
Hi Rick,
The standard stocking colours are Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry and Black Ask and now Walnut. Rosewood has been popular but I thought something a bit more stricking might be fun to show.
We can really do most finishes as a Special Order so no official list as such.
james
Thanks James, the walnut is a standard vinyl finish, is this correct?
Hi Rick,
The standard stocking colours are Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry and Black Ask and now Walnut. Rosewood has been popular but I thought something a bit more stricking might be fun to show.
We can really do most finishes as a Special Order so no official list as such.
james
Thanks for clarifying that, I thought from the first sentence that walnut had been added to the other 3 vinyl finishes.
James,
I love the Zebrawood finish. I know the standard veneers are $1K extra. What would be the price for this option?
James,
FYI I noticed the specs you posted on reply 1093 are different than the pdf listed here: ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/brochures/HT_SPEAKER.pdf
I haven't looked at all the specs but just the ones from the model, middle and mini T's. More specifically the freq response(s). The specs on reply 1093 look like the correct ones especially for low end extension on the mini and middle T's.
Hi James,
Any chance of the model T crossing the atlantic any time soon?
Cheers,
Bob
Did not realise that this was the issue. mafico does have the vastly expensive (and rather hideous) Avantgarde speakers in their lineup. Will let them know there would be real interest in the speaker. In fact I am waiting for this as I want to hear the model T's before committing to a similarly priced PMC. My current dream system would be the BHA 14bsst2 model T combination.
Thanks for the info,
Bob
Looking good Rich! Is the grill 1 or 4 pieces ?
LOOKING GOOD :thumb:
The TC1 Center speaker looks awesome!
Great products James!
In all your speakers, which one do you think will be a match to the PMC-EB1i as far as bass goes? I am a fan off full-range speakers that is why.
Hi Folks,
Introducing the Bryston Middle T speaker at Audio One's CANADA NIGHT in Toronto :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79442)
System consisted of Bryston B135 Integrated Amplifier, Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player, Bryston BDA-2 DAC and Bryston Middle T speaker – it sounded superb!!!
I was their last night! I don't post very often on AC anymore but this morning I am compelled to do so.
Hi James: This is Sam (you called me Joe a few times but that's OK!) - it was pleasure meeting you again last night.
"sounded superb" is bang on. I was really floored by these gems. Absolutely smooth as silk with a bass bottom to die for, the voices were sounding like the artists were in the room, and a smooth and clear top end and midrange.
A very well know brand of speakers that retail for $20,000 were in the next room, and these at one quarter the price were better - hands down! I didn't get a chance to hear the big brother Model T but I can imagine that they would be incredible.
And while I am writing....
For those of you who have never met James, what a real gentleman! He took the time to talk "audio" with me for about half an hour and I got a chance to understand the Bryston philosophy.
This is a company that builds products to the best that technology offers and then sets a fair price to make a fair profit. This is unlike many other companies that sell inferior products at insane prices to cater to the "Audio Jewelry" crowd. If James and his engineers could build a better sounding product, they would.
The R&D that went into the speakers took 2 years of effort to develop custom drivers and cabinets and the results are sublime.
I came away realizing that I will never be sorry buying a Bryston product! The products are built with passion and HONESTY and I know that this company will stand behind it for a lifetime.
Congrats James!
Your last paragraph is especially apt, Joe (Sam). I admire Bryston's product philosophy and execution, and James is an excellent representative of their dedication to quality and to customers.
Bryston reminds me of the best days of Apple in the sense that, once you buy one of their products, you can't help but desire others. I started with a 6BSST(C) and two 4BSST(C) amps a few years ago and recently purchased an SP3, BDP-2, and BDA-2. The sound is, of course, glorious. And now Bryston has to get into speakers . . . jeez, these guys are dangerous!
Speaking of Toronto, go, Leafs!
Rich
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Whinier Napa Valley
I couldn't believe this ad! Wink2
You Brystonites are really getting annoying with all these SOTA products earning rave after rave, award after award. Now that you're tempting us with superb speakers, maybe you can assist your loyal clientele through the Bank of James. I can believe in that. :D
Suspendedly,
Rich
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Unbelievable Napa Valley
I really like the fact that I can now offer a complete Stereo or Home Theater system with a known predictable performance. :thumb::thumb: :thumb:
james
As for the ad, loose the old fashioned font for "Suspension of disbelief"
Hi Rich,
Yes I am really pleased with the positive feedback so far on the speakers and I have a number of great reviews on the way - I really like the fact that I can now offer a complete Stereo or Home Theater system with a known predictable performance. :thumb:
james
...not for those who live on the other side of the pond...?!?! the speakers seem to be a North American joy?
al.
...ok, thanks. is there a chance to experience a Bryston speaker in Munich??
al.
But an effort to reach us nevertheless!
Hope you will be able to convince the european distributors.
Is it somehow bound, or tied up? Or did you mean to say "Lose"? :green:
Yes LOL
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Subwoofer Measurements
Hi Folks:
I have been asked how we get accurate measurements for our Bryston Subwoofers given that anechoic chambers (which we also have) have measurement limitations at very low frequencies.
Here is our outdoor Subwoofer Measuring Tower!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79633)
One of the limitations of an anechoic chamber comes from measuring very low frequencies. Even very large anechoic chambers have limited accuracy below about 85 Hz.
In order to obtain completely accurate measurements of the very long sound waves that come from low notes, we utilize a 90 foot tower upon which we hoist subwoofer prototypes.
In order to obtain 4-pi 360-degree measurements, the tower must be used in early morning or evening, when the wind is still.
James Tanner
Bryston
I know the general area where that tower is located.Great deer stand with excellent sight lines over looking the park.
Great deer stand with excellent sight lines over looking the park.
How does one get a 100lbs worth of speaker up there?
Hi Folks,
Finally got my Center Channel Model T today - installed and ready to go :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79702)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79703)
james
Hello James,
I noticed the Model T Sub MSRP is $4,195 each. (Did you try them with the Maggie 20.7 yet, btw?)
How about the smaller Bryston sub's MSRP? Also how did it performed/measured up on that 90-feet tower?
Cheers,
Klao
James,
now that the Hi End show in Munich is over...are the Bryston speakers now available in Europe?
thanks,
al.
Hi Al,
We certainly had a lot of interest and Holland has come on board immediately.
james
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Signature Speakers – WOOD ONLY
Hi Folks:
IMPORTANT:
Please be advised that going forward the Bryston Model T ‘Signature’ Speakers will only be available in real WOOD finishes (no vinyl)
The ‘Passive’ version of the Model T will continue to be available in both Vinyl or Wood finishes.
We still have a few Vinyl Signature series units available so please let me know if you have any interest in these last few.
Regards,
James Tanner
Bryston Ltd.
Hi James,
What will be the choice of the basic wood finishes and price for the Model T signature and is the external crossover included in the price. Thank you
Gilles
My living room is 11' x 13' with an 8-foot ceiling. It's a typical living room with furniture and no room treatment.
I'm looking for a pair of speakers with good, powerful bass that will not sound boomy in this room. Would I be able to use a pair of the Bryston Middle T floor standing speakers or should I be looking at the Bryston Mini T bookshelf speakers instead?
My current music system is a Linn Akurate system with the Linn Akurate 4200 power amp which is 4 channels at 200W into 4 Ohms (111W in 8 Ohms).
Hi Samurai
I think the Middle T would work well. It goes deeper than the mini t - or the mini t and a Sub would be the option. It really depends on how low you want the low frequencies - the mini t has superb bass down to 40Hz.
james
James,
Can the Bryston Middle T speakers be bi-amped?
Yes bi-amped or bi-wired. :thumb:
james
Only select Bryston dealers - not all.
james
James,
Do you have any new info on availability of Model-T Active in the US (I live in VA but could travel to WashDC/Maryland/North Carolina to audition them since I live mid-state).
Thanks
Jay
Hi Jay
I am still working on the Active crossover - doing the final blind listening tests. I would say we are still about 3 months off. I am recommending that customers interested in the Active Model T purchase the Signature version and we will trade out the passive external crossover for the Active crossover when they are ready.
james
Hi Jay
I have not opened anymore US dealers in the 2 months as we are selling all we can make. The closest dealer for you for audition would be :
Audio Emporium
8766 N. Deerwood Dr. Brown Deer, WI 53209
Ph: 414-354-5082
Ask for Dave
Wow, you must carry like ten mobile devices given the speed you respond :D Pretty impressive given I've read you have a 'day job'.
Will have to wait until you start selling on the east coast--Wisconsin is like 1,000 miles away (I live in Richmond VA). Maybe the release of the active signatures will dove tail with the setting up of someone in Virginia and/or North Carolina or Maryland.
BTW: Own an 4BSSTsq, BP26 and Bryston BD1 (DAC)--love my stuff. It is wired to Maggie 3.7s and two Rel Subs--even my wife loves the setup (looks) and sound (what really matters). This is saying a lot re: her original shock has now given in to bragging about my system when we have family and friends over!!!!
Jay
Well you are obviously a very intelligent guy with superb taste!!!!
james
Hi Folks,Hi James,
A number of people have asked me how the Signature Model T speaker external PASSIVE crossover hookup works.
Below is the hookup:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81444)
jkames
Hi James,
Thanks for this info. How would two 28b mono's hookup?
And, why would you have the external crossover have 6 inputs, while we only have two outputs on the amps? And you designed the crossover to internally connect the inputs high, mid and sub?
Marius
Hi marius,
What we do now is bridge the 3 sets of INPUTS ( with external links which can be removed) ) so the customer can use his current set of cables to connect to the input on the Signature crossover. Then we sell a cable kit for the Sig crossover output or the customer can use 3 sets of his own cable.
So with the 28B's - which I use - I just have the single set of cables from the 28B to the crossover input. Sometimes at shows I will use the 2 sets of 28B outputs.
James, thank you!
Still, im a bit in limbo. Could you post a diagram of connections using 2 mono amps?
Hopin Mafico will be able to have us, me, test your active and passive T's...
Marius
Bryston Amplifiers Options For 'Active' Model T Loudspeaker
9B SST-3-Channel X TWO
6B SST2 x TWO
7B SST2 x TWO with 3B SST2 x TWO
7B SST2 x TWO with 4B SST2 x TWO
James,
How about 7B SST2 X 2 and 9B SST2 4 Channel X 1 or is that too much of a power mismatch?
Excellent review. Had to take this from the review:
After thoroughly exploring his options, Tanner enlisted speaker engineer Andrew Welker, of Canada’s Axiom Audio. Tanner knew Welker, and that Axiom is one of the few Canadian audio companies that had on-site its own anechoic chamber and the required measurement equipment for such an undertaking. Tanner, Welker, and Axiom's founder, Ian Colquhoun, worked together for two years before Tanner was satisfied enough with the results to install a prototype in his home listening room.
Great partnership with Axiom :thumb: James. You have a real winner on your hands with the Model T.
Kudos James from Buffalo on your most successful venture. I was fortunate enough to attend Axiom's 30th bash for their forum members (and others) and came away most impressed. Ian, Amie, Andrew , Brent, Alan and JC welcomed us so graciously. Got to attend a few work shops, participate in a double-blind listening test and most important socialize with the Axiom group. Their hospitality is just as great as their products; their manufacturing and testing resources now reach a little further.
Another very impressive achievement, James. Congratulations on the new speaker line.
Any chance in the future of an HT surround speaker for wall placement, something like this?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81533)
Cheerio,
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
Andrew Welker is a very well respected and engineer who did the , Si series and the OM series at Mirage. A top notch
engineer right up there with Voecks and the late Jim Thiel.
Pardon my stupid question (:oops:) but can someone please explain to me, in plain English, what the difference is between the Bryston Model T Signature and the Bryston Model T Passive?
What's the advantage to having crossovers inside vs outside of the cabinet?
James any dealer in the GA, SC, NC or north east Fla have your speakers on hand for a demo ?
No I am sorry we have not opened any dealers in that area as we are having difficulty supplying the dealers we have already. They are all hand built and tested.Hi James,
Plus remember most dealers need another speaker like a hole in the head :duh: I think the Bryston speaker success will be driven by the customers who purchase them rather than relying on dealer interest.
James
Hi James,
I was wondering if Audio Advisor would be interested in Bryston speakers!!!! The price, quality and the support would fit exactly in their catalog.
No I am sorry we have not opened any dealers in that area as we are having difficulty supplying the dealers we have already. They are all hand built and tested.
Plus remember most dealers need another speaker like a hole in the head :duh: I think the Bryston speaker success will be driven by the customers who purchase them rather than relying on dealer interest.
James
Wow I would have thought Audio Advice in Charlotte (Pineville) and Raleigh being Bryston dealers would have them.. or Atlanta Audio & Automation
Atlanta, GA , Well I guess getting a demo is pretty much out of the question..
Sadly yes a demo is a long shot from an established dealer. Most dealers want to sell what people are already predisposed too and breaking a new speaker is not something that interests them.
James
James do you have the info on which dealers in the South US has these speakers....
I am a dealer located in the South. I am located in Mobile, AL if anyone would like to contact me to give a listen to the Bryston Mini Ts send a message me a pm or contact me at sales@engulfaudio.com...they are simply astounding!
The full sound, super wide sound stage, depth and clarity that you have to hear to believe. From Arman van Buuran, to Diana Krall, to ZZ Top, it handles any genre. Effortless, musical, eager to perform.
Now that you've heard my personal opinion, please contact me and I will gladly share what my ears have discovered. I'm sure you will agree once you hear them. I couldn't stop smiling. Oh, BTW, they look great too!
Thank you for the offer, but your a long way from Orlando and Kiawah Island SC.
My son lives in Tampa so the next visit I will send you a pm and bring them.
Hope to pick a pair up soon to compare to the 207/2 I bought from James.
James,
Is there a dealer anywhere in the Philadelphia, Maryland, DC/Virginia, Dealaware, New Jersey area that carrys the Model T's for demo? As my new K-05 breaks in it is creating an urgency to upgrade my speakers. Here we go again, another case of audio ad infinitus, the financial crippler of young and old alike :lol:.
Wisconsin would be the closest for Model T.
james
Wow, I could drive to Peterborough and back in the time it would take me to get to the southeastern border of Wisky. Guess I could pick up a cheese head hat while I'm there :lol: There must be a method to your madness having dealers in AL and WS and non in the northeast.
James,
I considering getting a pair of Bryston Middle T speakers for my 11' x 13' living room.
Since these are rear ported, how much minimum room (in inches) should be left between the reqar of the speaker and the wall behind it?
Hi
Based on the testing we have done about 4 inches.
James
James,
What would be the maximum recommended distance from rear and side walls for Model T?
BTW, I was just pullin' your chain above. I understand the difficulties that distribution and logistics present to a business :thumb:
Really good question :thumb:
One of the main parameters in the design of the Bryston speakers was to have as wide and as smooth OFF AND ON AXIS frequency response as possible. The reason for that is when you get a reflection from a nearby surface as long as the reflection has a tonal balance similar to the direct on axis response it will add spaciousness and not affect the overall tonal balance in the room. If the response OFF axis is ragged it does not matter how accurate the direct on axis is the sound quality will suffer especially if placed close to a surface. There has been a lot of research done on this and the LISTENING WINDOW and the SOUND POWER have a lot (in fact everything) to do with how a speaker will sound in a real room with normal surfaces and dimensions.
Remember you are never listening to the directsound specifically you are listening to the combination of the direct sound and the off axis sound striking all the surfaces in the room multiple times.
I just realized I'm rambling and did not answer your question :duh: - I would say a couple of feet from the back wall and at least 18 inches from the side wall will give you a good overall balance and soundstage presentation.
james
Developing this further........the Audio Physic website has an excellent page on speaker placement in a room and they seem to favor firing from the long wall which would most often leave lots of empty space to the side walls. They don't mention long wall by name but by recommending a 1:1.3 ratio between rear wall and side wall distances it would require the long wall in many rooms if you like your speakers 3-4 feet from the rear to optimize low frequency response. I don't know if this approach is relative to the dispersion characteristics of the Audio Physic speakers or if it applies to all types of speakers. I have used this approach for some time now with great results in my room (not Audio Physics). All that being said, I would be placing the Model T's 3.5' from the rear wall and 5.5' from the sides with 10' tweeter to tweeter (or I should say tweeters to tweeters :D). Your thoughts?
http://www.audiophysic.de/aufstellung/index_e.html
Thanks!
Sounds like a great plan. John Dunlavy was also a big advocate of using the long wall in your room as the speaker and listening wall. I will see if I can find the white paper I did on it. I use the long wall in my soundroom 3 with the Active Model T
james
Thanks James. John was always one of my favorite speaker guys. I wanted a pair of SC-IVa's in the worst way back in the day but couldn't overcome the WAF. Glad to hear he was an advocate of the long wall and that the Model T's would work well in that scenario.
Other factors to consider are: do not place any acoustic absorption materials, on the rear wall behind your head and sit as close as possible to the rear wall (6 inches to a foot). Spread the speakers at least as far apart as you are from them, (if your 9 feet away spread the speakers at least 9 feet apart) and angle them in so they are pointing directly at you. Place acoustic absorption material in the front corners of the room can also help.
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James
What do you think of using room treatments on stands as opposed to hanging on walls?
Yes, but on stands thats effectively change the size of the room sonically. Picture a diffuser sitting on a stand near a speaker or placed perhaps behind the listener. Should diffusers be used like this or should they hang on the wall only?
James,
Is the Bryston B135-SST2 integrated amplifier powerful enough to efficiently drive the Bryston Middle T speakers in a 13' x 15' room?
James,
For the Bryston Middle T speakers, is there any benefits to either a bi-amp or bi-wire set-up? If so, what would be the benefits and which is better?
Also, for driving the Middle T speakers, I'm looking at either a Bryston 4B-SST2 amp or maybe (if budget permits) a pair of Bryston 7B-SST2 amps. I realise that the 7B-SST2 set-up is overkill for the Middle T speakers and my room is only 11' x 13'. But would there be any benefits in going with a more powerful amp than is required? Also, I only have one (1) 15A circuit in my listening room. Would there be an issue with plugging in two Bryston 7B-SST2 amps to a high-end powerbar (along with the source components) via this single 15A circuit?
Hi Sam
The 7B's would be fine on the Middle T's = more power is a much better option than too little power but the 4B would certainly be enough power as well given your room. The advantage of the 7B's would be the ability to place each amp close to each speaker and use short speaker leads and also the flexibility of moving forward if you change your room or the speakers.
As for the biwire or biamp there are differing opinions on this but the theory goes that with biwiring when an amplifier drives a load there is a EMF (electro motive force) signal created by the fact that a woofer for instance is a motor and this force affects the amplifiers output stage in a negative way. So the distortion created by this force can get to the midrange and tweeter because they are in series with one another through the crossover.
So when you biwire you do not allow this EMF force to affect the mid/tweeter because they are separated by two sets of speaker cables and the low output impedance of the amplifiers output stage will not allow the two sets of cables to interact.
Passive Biamping takes this one step further by replacing the one single amplifier with a second amp to drive just the mid/tweeters. Some people like this because they can choose which amp they want on which set of drivers. So if you like tubes on the tweeter and solid state on the woofer it workers great. Remember though that you are still going through the passive crossover in the speaker so the "GAIN" of the two amplifiers must be identical. All Bryston amplifiers regardless of power output have the same gain.
Hope this helps.
james
Hi all,
After listening to the Model T at the SSI this spring and afterwards at my dealer, I decided to pull the trigger and place my order this week for a pair of the Model T signature in rosewood. Will have now an all Bryston system, will give you an appreciation once I received them.
Gil
Would the Bryston Model T passive speakers work well in a 11' x 13' room powered by a Bryston 4B-SST2 amp or would it be better to use the Bryston Middle T speakers?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82195)
james
James,
For the Bryson Middle T speakers, what's the retail additonal cost for the Hardwood Veneer finish?
What colors are being offered for the Hardwood Veneer finish?
James,
Would you have a picture of the rear of the Bryston Middle T speakers? I'm interested in seeing the binding post arrangement.
Can these be bi-wired and would there be any sonic benefits in doing so using a Bryston 4B-SST2 power amp?
They are right at the base of the speaker and they can be biwired.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82708)
Thanks James!
By the way, what options (if any) are being offered on the Middle T in terms of feet/stands?
What is the Canadian pricing for these various options?
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers July 2013
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker - Dealer Feedback
Masterlu
AA Founder,
Legend AV Owner
Bryson Model T update
I really must comment further on the Bryston Model T's
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82852)
.... What are you waiting for; get out and audition a pair!
James... Truly Outstanding Work!
Ivan
...hey, Dyna - driving 9 hours is one thing. i would have to fly 9 hours to have the chance to listen to a pair of Bryston speakers :o
al.
I've been planning ahead to the day I have to downsize my audio system. Going from a BP-17/4BSST2 to a B135, etc. One thing I couldn't decide about was what speakers to replace my Maggie 1.7's with. Since I have an all Bryston system, I should have realized the obvious...Bryston Mini-T's.
Can someone tell me what they currently cost and the nearest dealer to Phoenix where I might listen to them?
Bud
Hi BudThanks James, I'm not planning on downsizing anytime soon but at my age, you never know:-).
The mini t's are $2695 the pair list. We are speaking with a couple of dealers in LA area so should have some representative dealers there soon.
james
Hi BudAre the stands for Mini's an extra cost item?
The mini t's are $2695 the pair list. We are speaking with a couple of dealers in LA area so should have some representative dealers there soon.
james
Are the stands for Mini's an extra cost item?
Bud
Hi Bud,Thanks James,
Yes they are $399 a pair. Any quality stand between 18 and 24 inches can be used.
james
Thanks James,
I just got a new BP-26/MPS-2. I'm going to do a lot of A/B testing with my nearly new BP-17 to see if the BP-26 fan boys are telling me the truth. I'll keep one of them.
Bud
lookin real nice James,wish AudioArk would bring a pair of subs in so I could check them out.
Hi Folks
Finally got my matching Model T Subs to go with my Model T's
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=83383)
Hi James,
Does your couch come with seatbelts ?
:drums: :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums:
Cheers,
Bob
Hi Folks
Finally got my matching Model T Subs to go with my Model T's
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=83383)
Hello James,
How much power does a unit of Model T Subwoofer consumes, normally & at peak?
Thanks.
WOW,20 year warranty,now that BRYSTON :thumb:,
James I assuming model T subs also,thx.
Had to reread as I am up a tad early :lol:.
Very temping,my 28s are back at Audio Ark,going to have to go audition both .
Been thru some top US subs and their warranty is crap especially if you dish out 4-5000 for a sub.
Have had two from two different companies where the amp crapped out within 6 months(new)and the others were used(1 yr).
Thiel(10yr) and Bryston(20yr) have the best warranty around,SHUT THE FRONT DOOR :duh:....it's early.
Hi James,
Any update on a dealer in the PA, MD, DC, DE, VA, NJ, NY area? NO would not be a good answer :lol:
Bill
Had a sneak peek at the Model T's with the ext passive X-over,very nice looking speakers James.
Didn't have a chance for an audition as they were a bit busy and had to get back for work(Of course had time to pick up my 28's :thumb:)..
I'm going to PH ahead so I can sit and listen to the T's for awhile.
James I am also.
My BDP-2 should be in pretty quick so I'll be making an appointment with Andrew to audition the T's.
I was in and out too quick and just like the BCD-1 one I held one of their room up for a couple of hours(which was well worth the hold up).
We don't like to be rushed :nono:.
James I heard a rumour you might be coming out this way for an evening :thumb:.
Hi Folks,
Pic of the new 'Bryston TOW' ONWALL speaker mounted :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85037)
Has a magnetic grill as well - not shown.
Nice!
This one seems to have one of each.
How does the sound compare to the freestanding models?
Cheers
Bob
Hi Folks,
Pic of the new 'Bryston TOW' ONWALL speaker mounted :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85037)
Has a magnetic grill as well - not shown.
Very Nice! :thumb:Meets Wife Approval Factor !! From those of us who are married, THANKS! :D
James,
Do the new model A's have the same mid and tweeter as the model T's with just a smaller woofer?
Hi James,
Great looking outriggers however what grabs my attention is that Harry James album in the bottom frame. I think I have a copy of it. Sheffield Labs, right? I cleaned mine up and played it shorty after installing my new VPI Classic a couple years ago and it sounded stunning. :thumb:
Correct - Harry James on Sheffield - Direct to Disc :thumb:
james
Hi Jeff,
Correct - I did not want the A's vs the T's to be a 'better/best' decision - I wanted it to be an application decision not a quality decision. So the Model A-1 will not go as deep or play as loud as a Model T but in all other aspects it is the same quality/performance approach.
james
Do you have any specs on the Model A line?
James - any scheduled stops in AB?
Finishes for Model T - where to see potential options ?
Hi, I'd like to order Model T's and was thinking about upgrading from standard veneer. Where could i see pictures of potential customer finishes (real wood) ?
I've seen on this forum Rosewood, some Zebra wood and someone wrote about Chestnut ... but would be really great to see what options one could choose from.
Thanks a lot in advance !!!
Gaha
Talked to my dealer in Edmonton on Saturday about auditioning the T's.
He'll be back in a week from a holiday and then I can book a room with the T's and F-52's(which they have) as I have the 50a's at home here.
The 52's should be close to the 50a's so it should be a fun audition :thumb:.
Might be a set of T's comin home to a new home.
Hey James, just saw the T series full page ad inside the front cover of the October Stereophile. Does this mean that we might be getting some dealers in the northeastern US?
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Holland Audio Show
Hi James
Send you these photos we took on September 15th 2013.
Full Bryston ‘7.4’ Surround setup:
• Bryston SP-3 Surround Processor
• Model T’s (Front Left /Right)
• Model T Center
• 4 Mini T’s Surrounds
• 4 Model T Active Subwoofers and
• 2 x Bryston 28B Mono Amps
• 3 x 4B Stereo Amps
We displayed at the X-fi show in Holland together with Sony and Cinemadreams (dealer) to show the First 4K Sony projector and demo the new Bryston Model T speakers in surround setup. You see the amps we have been using on the pictures.
We had a full house for 2 days approx 1200-1500 visitors.
With Kind Regards
Coen
Mafico
Benelux
Gee, I certainly would like to have known about this show.... looking great. As a 28b owner am a prospect buyer of these Model T's and am looking forward to auditioning them finally. No announcement of this show has reached me unfortunately. Does this mean a pair of T's is within our borders to stay?
Would you know of any related future events in Holland James?
Cheers, Marius
Hi Marius
Yes we sent Mafico a set of the mini t's and he was really, really impressed and ordered the rest of the Model T's for the show and he is now the distributor of the speakers in Holland. I am not sure on any more shows though.
james
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Holland Audio Show
Hi James
Send you these photos we took on September 15th 2013.
Full Bryston ‘7.4’ Surround setup:
• Bryston SP-3 Surround Processor
• Model T’s (Front Left /Right)
• Model T Center
• 4 Mini T’s Surrounds
• 4 Model T Active Subwoofers and
• 2 x Bryston 28B Mono Amps
• 3 x 4B Stereo Amps
We displayed at the X-fi show in Holland together with Sony and Cinemadreams (dealer) to show the First 4K Sony projector and demo the new Bryston Model T speakers in surround setup. You see the amps we have been using on the pictures.
We had a full house for 2 days approx 1200-1500 visitors.
With Kind Regards
Coen
Mafico
Benelux
Hi
Certainly plan to do that but we are selling all we can build at this point through the current dealers and distributors. Every Model T is hand assembled and tested in our anechoic chamber so it is not a mass produced product.
james
James,
With all the buzz about the model T I'm considering a pair. I was thinking of putting them in my home theater. Would a 9BSST/2 have enough juice to make them sing or should a 4BSST/2 be the minimum. I have a pair of 7BSST/2 in my 2 channel dungeon system. I could always replace or move those speakers.
I live in New Jersey so the closest dealer Connecticut? If you need a dealer in New Jersey I would be happy to rep them. LOL!
Cheers,
BJ
Hi BJ
How large is the room? My guess is a 4B would be the better option depending on room size. I have a dealer in Cape Cod now.
james
Hi James,
Don't want to blow smoke up your a..... but the Bryston Team has been on an amazing roll. Keep up the fantastic work! :thumb:
Hi Folks,
Sneak peak of Absolute Sound Magazine review of the Bryston ‘mini t’ loudspeaker in the upcoming December issue . One of the main advantages of the Model T series speakers is their ability to provide flat frequency response into real listening rooms due to their excellent power response. I thought the below comment from the reviewer was apropos.
“James was certainly not surprised when I informed him that the Mini T’s produced the flattest frequency response (32Hz–10kHz +/- 2.7dB) I have yet observed in my listening room!”
Are the Model T's coming to RMAF 2013?
James,
I live in New Jersey so the closest dealer Connecticut? If you need a dealer in New Jersey I would be happy to rep them. LOL!
Cheers,
BJ
Alright, time to ask this embarrassing question :D All this talk and reviews, are you guys talking about the Signature series with the external cross over or the passive model? :D
I finally sold my old system and finally looking to upgrade - All Bryston or....
Thanks,
I have zero to none chance of demoing speakers..do you have any mini T' that customers can demo in their home and then place and order to purchase if they want them?
I am in Tarrytown, NY..10591..I called the local sellers but all I got was voice mails and no return calls
I just placed an order for a piano white gloss Model T. Next on the list, the BDP1 or 2.
James, could you tell me how much it will cost me to replace silver 7BSST2 to Black? Do I simply send it to Bryston and will shipping paid by me there and back?
Thanks,
I saw the speakers on the Bryston's website. I didn't get hype and excitement like everyone else. :duh:
Hi Tom
Yes Craig and Gary from Bryston will be there with the Model T's and the Mini T's
james
Thanks for showing the Mini T's at RMAF. Heard them in action and found them to be very smooth, accurate and honest.
The value impressed as well.
I saw the speakers on the Bryston's website. I didn't get hype and excitement like everyone else. :duh:seeing is not enough.
seeing is not enough.
You must hear these.
Thanks for the feedback bmoura - I really wanted the Bryston speaker line to offer state of the art performance at very affordable levels. :thumb:
james
Ok - give Dave a call at
Audio Emporium
8766 N. Deerwood Dr. Brown Deer, WI 53209
Ph: 414-354-5082
seeing is not enough.
You must hear these.
Yup, auditioned them several times before I made the purchase - super glossy white James!!! Whats the ETA on them to the Vancouver Dealer?
Hi Gene
I am sorry we do not but we have a dealer that may be able to help. Where are you located?
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88582)These sounded quite good, but apparently the floor standing Model T's weren't there?
james
These sounded quite good, but apparently the floor standing Model T's weren't there?
Tom
what are the differences between the Model A ,1300 a pair and the Mini T's ,2700 a pair....both being 3 way bookshelf speakers
YES....my error :duh:
do you have the measurements for the actual size of the MINI A's?
Building the Bryston A2 Tower loudspeaker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXjUf-s688&feature=youtu.be
james
Glad to see Bryston place the mid-range driver in an enclosure to prevent any distortion caused by the back-pressure from the the woofers. However, I suspect that some of that back-pressure will be radiated back through the woofer diaphragms.I would hardly call that an enclosure... It's just plastic. You can see how it wobbles when he pulls it out.
I would hardly call that an enclosure... It's just plastic. You can see how it wobbles when he pulls it out.
The only thing this prevents is the midrange speakers being blown out when some serious bass occurs, but that's about it.
Hi James,
I'm located in Montreal but cannot seem to find a bryston
dealer who'd have any of your speakers in store.
Specifically, i'm extremely interested in the Middle T speaker.
Any clues?
Have not got my copy yet but the November issue of Absolute Sound has a review of the Bryston Mini T speaker.
james
Hi Folks,
Working on some new pictures of the Bryston Speaker products – please see attached ... a sample.
Walnut finish Model T Signature with XL Outriggers.
James
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90167)
Good observation. The thin flimsy plastic enclosure used by Bryston for their mid-range driver is a far-cry from the speciality engineered die-cast aluminum enclosure used by Paradigm.
It always surprises me the individuals who have never heard the speaker or designed and manufactured a loudspeaker seem to know all there is to know about the subject :scratch:
james
I assume Paradigm knows how to manufacture a speaker. They make a higher quality speaker than Axiom.
, Paradigm's S8 and S6 and their new Tribute far out-class Axiom's M80.
The Canadian speaker manufactures, especially Paradigm and Axiom, make some good products when you consider their price vs. so many of the over-priced and over-hyped European brands. Listening to the sound of a speaker is certainly important if one really knows (most don't) how to determine if the sound is accurate and natural. A bass reflex design creates cabinet resonances and back-wave distortion (especially adversely affecting mid-range quality) and manufactures use the resulting sound to make the buyer think he/she is hearing natural sound when in fact they are actually hearing resonances and distortion make to sound good, so they think. Also important is build quality of the cabinet and drivers including the appearance of the finished product. To the latter, Paradigm's S8 and S6 and their new Tribute far out-class Axiom's M80.
I've noticed that Paradigm speakers seem to have lost interest amongst audiophiles!!IMHO
I do not think that Paradigm ever considered as a good speakers. They are just speakers like some others.
I agree that those Paradigm products "outclass" the Axiom M80,,,they should considering the massive price difference. I like Bryston,Paradigm and Axiom products. I've noticed that Paradigm speakers seem to have lost interest amongst audiophiles!!IMHO
James, you are in a better position to know than me. But if anyone is shopping for a new speakers in the $6,000+/- range they should investigate the new Paradigm Tribute 30th Anniversary in Dark Garnet Gloss finish. It is a 91 lb. beauty with cabinet construction quality, finishing excellence, and driver performance that may not be matched for less than $10,000, e.g., why pay almost that much for an Aerial 7t. I don't know if it sounds better than the Bryston Middle T for about the same price but I know which one I would buy and place in my living room.I told this to many close friends that never ever pay more then $2500 for Paradigm!
James, you are in a better position to know than me. But if anyone is shopping for a new speakers in the $6,000+/- range they should investigate the new Paradigm Tribute 30th Anniversary in Dark Garnet Gloss finish. It is a 91 lb. beauty with cabinet construction quality, finishing excellence, and driver performance that may not be matched for less than $10,000, e.g., why pay almost that much for an Aerial 7t. I don't know if it sounds better than the Bryston Middle T for about the same price but I know which one I would buy and place in my living room.
I do not think that Paradigm ever considered as a good speakers. They are just speakers like some others.
OK, let's say their studio 100 v2 was so far better then anything else they ever made.
James, I own PMC speakers. I believe that a transmission line, if properly designed, offers the least cabinet resonance with essentially no back-wave caused distortion resulting in better bass and clearer mid-range.
Hi Hiker
Sonic excellence was my main goal with the Model T series speakers at a price point mere mortals could afford.
If I had to build my own factory and buy the gear required to test and manufacture speakers the Model T speakers would be 3 times their price. Working with Axiom saves our customers many thousands of dollars with no performance downside. I agree that people buy products for other reasons than performance. My favorite saying is “People do not buy a Rolex to tell the time”. There is pride of ownership involved, bragging rights, cosmetics etc. but there are many less expensive watches that keep time just as well.
The Model T at $6000 weighs 108 pounds each which is a function of cabinet construction, driver magnet sizes, driver quality, crossover accuracy, parts tolerances etc. I agree that the Model T series is far more utilitarian that many other speakers out there but I decided early on that state of the art sonic performance was my main objective – form follows function as they say. I certainly recognized that cosmetics matter more to some than performance when it comes to what they place in their living room – just look at the custom install market where speakers are placed in walls and ceilings and behind furniture and they call that high end audio!
james
James, your logic and reasons for using an existing manufacturer like Axiom in your country makes perfect business sense. Other speaker manufacturers have made investments years ago and have amortized that cost so that they are competitive today. Also, many make their products in-house and so they also don't have to pay a middle-man.
The sound quality today from the various speaker manufacturers has enabled audiophiles to obtain 'never before' heard sound quality at fairly reasonable costs. Of course every manufacturer says their product is the best for one reason or another. Other than sound there can be and are real differences in cabinet construction and finish appearance. Given the similarity in sound performance this can be the deciding factor for many customers. Maybe call the it 'feel good' factor.
Yes, a Timex will keep good time. But who wants to wear one rather than a Rolex.
buy the gear required to test and manufacture speakers the Model T speakers would be 3 times their price. Working with Axiom saves our customers many thousands of dollars with no performance downside.
James, seems like another good product of yours.
Just a bit of background - unfortunately, I bought BCD-1 last year which caused retun of my audiophilia disease (thought I had it cured 10 years ago). ;)
Started with BHA-1 & mentioned BCD-1 hooked up to Senheiser HD800 headphones. While sounds OK, I am now missing "decent" loudspeaker system (Amp+Speakers).
Unfortunately it would have to not only fit into small room (W12ft x L16 ft x H7.5ft), but also be capable of playing decently at very low sound levels.
I've read Mini-T's are great when it comes to high SPL, but would the fit the bill when it comes to given requirements (or should I wait for Micro-T ? ;) ).
The second question is (I know I should listen to the equipment first prior to purchasing - but just trying to narrow the list down) - which amp? Considering room size I thought about either B135 or 2B-SST2 and BHA-1 as a pre-amp?
Wow!
I was not expecting the answer today! Happy New Year James!
The BHA-1 stays - as headphones will still remain my main way of listening. While installing B135 would allow me to use RC, the Power Amp XLR connections are tempting (not sure if it's BCD or BHA - or both - but balanced connection gives huge improvement of SQ over the CINCH).
When I mentioned quiet listening, I thought more of a "background" music - i.e. really quiet.
While on the power amp - one of the providers in my country 9Poland) has a power amp described as 2BSST2 - can not find such a thing on Bryston's website. I'll need to contact him after the new year - maybe he meant 2.5BSST2, or 2BSST(not 2).
Thanks for the extremly quick response.
James: Any AX-1 digital crossover updates? Still tweaking the T-signature response or AX-1 hardware itself?
Would the AX-1 be suitable for a DIY speaker builder?
I realize your current custom user interface is probably non existent, but I can probably deal with that with the help from my co-workers. I am a wood worker and digital ASIC specialist at heart, but I work with a large geek team, from theoretical mathematicians and Matlab / DSP / FPGA to board designers.
I have gotten pretty good with OMNI-MIC measurements, analog parametric EQ and my 10B-std but I need a lot more more flexibility for my next vision. Something loosely based on the following open baffle monster.
http://www.serenityacoustics.com/products/thesingularity.html
Alternate crossover options have been whittled down to another Canadian pro competitor.
http://xilica.com/products/x-series-2/
If the AX-1 is not suitable, do you have any other suggestions?
Shawn
The 2B SST was an earlier version rated at 100 watts.
james\
Thank you James - seems like it is 2B-SST2 on the shelf.
Would integrated B135 be powrful enough to drive MiniTs (I know 2x28B-SSt2 would be optimal, but .... ), considering room size and low SPL levels or should I look into 4B-SST2 and start saving for proper pre-amp?
Hi James:
This is my first post on this forum. I'm a confessed Bryston addict having been turned onto Bryston by Andrew Marshall in the mid-90s.
I recently acquired a BDP-2 and BDA-2 to add to my BCD-1, BP-6 and 3BST amps. I'm running PMC LB1s and have not shown any interest in new speakers until the advent of Bryston's new models.
I think the Model Ts are just too much for the room I use to listen to music but the Middle Ts will be perfect. I have 2 questions:
1) Where can I audition a pair of Middle Ts in the Vancouver area; and
2) Will a pair of 3BSTs be sufficient to drive them and if so, how would you reccommend wiring them up to the speakers (i.e. bi-wiring or running the amps in bridged mode).
Cheers.
VERY NICE !!! Any other gloss finish options?
So is the white finish an option on the Middle T , if so what is the up charge ? Thank You
I'm looking into buying a pair of Mini T, and from the reviews I've read, there's a $500 upcharge for real wood veneers. I got a quote from an authorized Bryston dealer and he quoted me a $1200 upcharge for a rosewood veneer. Can someone tell me which veneers are available at the $500 range? The website gives an option for your own custom finish, but gives no access to what is available. There are other speaker manufacturers around that will direct you to a website of available veneers for their speakers, but I haven't been able to get any concrete answers from anyone concerning the Bryston veneers.
Thanks James,
So it's 4 finishes in vinyl, the same 4 finishes in wood for a $500 upcharge, and then higher costs for everything else depending on the type of veneer. That clears up my confusion!
Correct :thumb:
james
Hi James:
The colour but not the type of finish is the issue in my situation. In order to ensure a favourable WAF outcome, would a white vinyl veneer for Mini T's be a possible upgrade? If so, what would be the Canadian dollar MSRP of the Mini T's in white?
Tim
Hi Tim,
If it is a standard White vinyl it would be similar in price.
james
Am I asking too much... are white grills for the Mini T available as well?
Hi
We can do a custom grill for you if you like. :thumb:
james
James I was comparing the pictures from the mini T center from the brochure and your website and they are different. The website picture is a noticeably longer and deeper cabinet. Are they two different versions or is the website version still available? Thanks.
Hi,
The brochure is the correct version.
james
Darn, the original mini t center was gorgeous. Sorry I have to question why it got changed.
James, are the Mini Ts sold only as pairs? Just wondering if you can buy 5 and a sub for 5.1 surround?
Thanks,
Al
One of the very difficult things to do with a center because it is positioned horizontally as opposed to vertically (like the left and right speakers) is attaining the same polar dispersion on and off axis as the main speakers. So the driver configuration/crossover/driver positioning etc. is critical to the get it right. So in this case function determines form. :thumb:
What did you like about the old version?
james
Am looking for a bookshelf sized speaker for two channel audio and the Mini A looks like it may fit the bill.
What is pricing (in Canada) and are there any comments from owners on the sound of the Mini A?
Appreciate any info.
Hi Gordon
$2695 the pair in vinyl finish - The Mini A will not play as loud or go as low but there is definitely a family resemblance. I want the T Series and the A Series to be an 'application' choice for our customers not a 'quality' choice,
james
Thanks James, but isn't that the same price as the Mini T?
Sorry I screwed up :duh:
The Mini A's are $1200 the pair.
james
$1200 sounds better, thanks. Someone from Whitby Audio is talking with Bryston for me about order lead times on the Mini A in real wood finish. I'm hopeful it's days not weeks?
Hi Gordon
I think we only have Boston Cherry in real wood in stock. There's been a real run on the Mini T's lately. :thumb:
james
Hi James - I am referring to the MINI A's. AAAAA! :icon_lol:
Hi James - I am referring to the MINI A's. AAAAA! :icon_lol:
Placed an order at Whitby Audio and their feedback is approx 4 weeks for Boston Cherry wood.
Will post comments as soon as I can get them set up.
Hi James - I am referring to the MINI A's. AAAAA! :icon_lol:
Placed an order at Whitby Audio and their feedback is approx 4 weeks for Boston Cherry wood.
Will post comments as soon as I can get them set up.
Al, to my understanding there are no Mini A's in circulation yet. Hoping James can speed up my order so that I can share the good news on them 8).
interesting, Gordon. did you have a chance to compare the mini A's to the mini T's??
keep us updated, please!
al.
Hi Folks,
Received this from a customer who purchased a complete Bryston surround speaker system:
• Model T Signatures - Front left/right
• Model TC-1 Center
• Model T’s Surrounds,
• Model T Subs x 2
Hi James,
I spent a few hours listening to CDs with the Model T Signatures last night. Did not power on the subs or other speakers. I can't believe how good these sound right out of the box. Absolutely amazing! You have blown the doors off of the (EDIT) which I have really adored.
I am now a Bryston junkie!
UPDATE:
My neighbor helped me with the center setup and also helped me unpack the rear speakers. So I finally got to fire up 5.1. Without taking the time to tune with a sound meter, I put in a Blu-Ray and roughly tuned levels by ear. The surround is AWESOME. I'm hearing things I never heard before and the usual stuff is certainly sounding better. Now I need to have dinner, calm down, and really tune it.
I tuned the system with a sound meter after I sent you the above email and had dinner. Oh, my goodness! I was up to 2am listening/watching. It sounds really fantastic James. Thank you Thank you Thank you!
Best,
Marc
Deep in the faith.
Yes I think people are surprised sometimes how much of a difference a quality speaker can make in their listening pleasure :thumb:
james
I was actually referring to how much Bryston gear in the system. :thumb:. But ok.
Still waiting (patiently :roll:) for a pair of Mini A's that I have on order from Whitby Audio. Has anyone had a chance to hear them yet?
Mac based running Audirvana into a Bel Canto pre/DAC (just waiting for the pending Bryston all in one!) into an Exposure dual mono power amp (80 per channel). Have been using B&W floorstanders, Dynaudio and Castle stand mounts. I really do like the stand mount set up best and have used REL and Dynaudio subs. Can't wait to see how the Mini A's work out!
Hi Folks,
New setup in Sound Room 3 - Middle T speakers, 10B Crossover, Pair of 7B's and 2 Subs.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96198)
james
Hi James,
Do you have any online documentation on the crossover that comes with the active T's?
I'd like to know whether it's useful/possible to buy/use it with the signature version having a future upgrade in mind. And whether it goes alongside or replaces the use if my 10bsub crossover .
Cheers
Marius
Hi Marius,
The Model T Active crossover I only have in prototype form at this point as I am playing around with different DAC's. The crossover will be dedicated to the Model T's as we are doing some very unique things in the crossover/driver design on the T's.
I recommend that customers buy the Model T Signatures now if they are thinking of upgrading to an Active system sometime in the future.
james
Hi James
Thanks
Understood, but I was thinking of the option to order the signatures with the active crossover, and only upgrading the amps in the future ...
Or isn't that possible? Don't mind to wait a bit longer for the prototype to become the product ;-)
Marius
James,
Given how good the bass on the middle T is, what frequency do you set the crossover to the subs? Do you really need the subs or do you use them just to show off?
Bump this question for James.
Sorry I missed this question:
Yes the first picture was the Middle T's with the crossover as I was using the subs with the Mini A's and the Mini T's in that room. Now that I have had time with the Middle T's the Subs have been removed.
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96269)
Did you order the Walnuts?
james
No Sorry I took them into work for my office system.
Did you order the Walnuts?
james
...what is your office system, James?
al.
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speaker – Dealer Feedback
March 2014
Greetings Bryston:
Well I received the Mini A loudspeakers today and I'll be honest I was quite nervous un-boxing them as I kept thinking this is only $1250 a Pair - really how good can they be
I have listened to hundreds of speakers at this price point and never been floored like this - WOW !!!! …
Now if I did not know the price my first thought would be those sound great but how much are they???
Well again James you have blown me away… job well done I give this a 10 and at this price the competition should quite a bit nervous with the new kid on the block this Bryston speaker is a knock out....
And not a little punch a total uppercut BAM and a 20year warranty!!!!!
GREAT JOB JAMES!
Ash
Smiths Audio
Lethbridge
CANADA
Mark's Model T's
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97193)
james
Hi james
Been trying to find on the Bryston Web Site all the Finishes available on the speakers without much luck.
1oldguy could use a link if possible.
On the middle T,the pictures on the site,second from the left...Wondering what is the name of that finish?
Thank you.
Hi James
Thanks for posting this.
I am still not sure about the finish I see once you go on the Bryston site and look at the Middle T pictures.The second from the left is beautiful but not sure what it's called. :duh:
That was a custom ebony finishThank You James
james
Thank You James
Is it still possible to have this finish if one so chooses?
Yes but there is a surcharge of about 15%
james
may I ask what the particular name of this Ebony ?Last thing I would want is the wrong version.
James,
What is the finish on the model Ts in your signature?
It looks like the baffle is different than the sides too.
Bill
Very nice James!
Standard color?
James, am trying to find dimensions on the Mini T Subwoofer and pricing.
Thank you.
Frequency response specs are not too meaningful without a stated deviation. The majority are specified with a +/- 3dB. Are these Bryston subwoofer specs also +/- 3dB or something else?
Steve
James
,,have you ever tired a pair of mini-t's on top of a pair of mini-t subs?? :scratch: If so how does it compare to the model T?
Do the Subs come with a just an amplification and volume only option? No Xovers or phase.
So is the white finish an option on the Middle T , if so what is the up charge ? Thank You
I agree...the white is really eye catching!
Very impressive.I wish i could hear them. :duh:
Agree not a store within 1000 miles of my location that even carries Bryston speakers, they carry the amps but not the speakers.
Even if my local store had the mini T I have a feeling they would do very well in sales.
I had to buy my Bryston amps without demo so your a step ahead of me.Thankfully I chose wisely and would by my Bryston Amps all over again. 8)
Yes they are that good.
Hi oldguy
Yes from Brystons point of view going forward dealers that do not support the product by at least having a minimal amount of demo product will no longer be considered a Bryston dealer.
james
Totally understandable.I have such a good feeling about the Bryston Speakers.Very frustrated about not hearing the mini t at least.
I really do think Bryston has a winner here with these speakers,if the amplifiers are any indication!Which are fantastic.
I think that if a Bryston Dealers "tried" a few of the Bryston speakers they would be surprised by the reaction from their local customers, heck they might even sell a few...
HI Folks,
Getting some Bryston Middle T speakers out there for reviews - coming soon!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98464)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98465)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98466)
Yes I know it is frustrating for some of our customers as not all Bryston dealers want to care the speakers.
I am thinking I may appoint one or two national dealers that already carry the speakers to supply customers in market areas where the local Bryston dealer does not carry the speakers to service those customers.
james
what about overseas dealers, James??
al.
...maybe you wanted to say 'the non-carrying dealer' instead of 'non-carrying distributor'?
or did i understand something wrong?
al.
Rm 3 setup:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98931)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98933)
james
RM 1 setup:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98942)
James what is that in the centre of the picture. Is that a silver faced crossover?
I haven't posted on AC in a long time which is a testament to how happy I've been with my IB1's and 7BSST2 setup. But I'm getting the itch to upgrade / try some different speakers and PMC's pricing is now beyond my means.
James I know you're very familiar with PMC so would you mind giving your feedback on the Model T/Middle T compared to PMC IB1/2 in terms of bass extension, midrange clarity, imaging etc?
Hi James
Couple of questions I'd like to ask.
The power rating for a given speaker.Say from 50 to 250 watts for example.
1)How is it measured?
2)Is there a universal way for all company's to make this measurement?
3) Is there any allowances to measure in different ways to come do a different maximum wattage for given speaker?
4) Can Power Handling be different if say 2 speakers by different companies who make a speaker rated for the same wattage be different?Basically can
one speaker design handle power better than another if both are rated for the same wattage?
Thank James.
Hi Brandon
I will ask engineering on that one but generally a power handling spec is useless without a stated distortion number at a specific dB level.
james
Hi JamesFrom Engineering:
Couple of questions I'd like to ask.
The power rating for a given speaker.Say from 50 to 250 watts for example.
1)How is it measured?
2)Is there a universal way for all company's to make this measurement?
3) Is there any allowances to measure in different ways to come do a different maximum wattage for given speaker?
4) Can Power Handling be different if say 2 speakers by different companies who make a speaker rated for the same wattage be different?Basically can
one speaker design handle power better than another if both are rated for the same wattage?
Thank James.
Hi James
Question for you regarding the covering on the Bryston speakers.
There is the Vinyl as well as real wood veneer.
The question is for rosewood that is considerably more expensive,.Would this be
a veneer or is this wood used solid rosewood(The full thickness of wood used)?
Thank you
James
Hi
We can do a custom grill for you if you like. :thumb:
james
Hi James:
Are the Bryston Mini-T stands available in white? Can they be made at a custom height (several inches taller than the standard height)?
If so, do I place the order through you?
Kindly advise. Thanks,
Tim
Hi Tim
They can be made to a custom height but sorry not in White.
james
Can they be sold unpainted or with just a base coat and I have them painted?
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Review – HIFI ZINE
Conclusion:
“The Bryston Mini T speaker by name but not by nature, these speakers are true high-end products when it comes to sound.
Easy to place, offering accurate, smooth, highly satisfying sound, there is little to quibble about here. Partner with appropriately powered amps, feed them some music, then just enjoy the result!”
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97663)
Complete review please click here:
http://www.hifizine.com/2014/04/bryston-mini-t-loudspeakers/
James, Was the change to a different tweeter, confined to the mini T , or is this across the the whole line ?
Hi James, you knew this question was coming - is it possible to upgrade the existing speaker models to use this new tweeter?
Customer Feedback – Bryston Mini T Speakers
From: Matthew Helming
Sent: May-23-14 11:20 AM
Hi James
I can't believe how good the Mini T speakers are.
I am truly impressed, they don't care what you play - Rock, reggae, classical, acoustic, live, studio, it all sounds balanced and clean.
Matt
Hi Folks,James, Is this a typo in the price of the middle T at $5400? I thought I had read somewhere that it was $4500.
It’s great to get feedback from happy customers on our products but the attached is special as it is from one of our long time dealers and a gentleman that is very hard to please when it comes to speakers!!!
James Tanner
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100163)
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston DEALER Feedback
Hi James,
I'm currently listening to a rather odd but exquisite performance of Sofia Gubaidulina's Canticle of the Sun. It's a very haunting sound, driven primarily by strings and percussion. I can really only listen to it when my mind is at peace :).
Here again, the Middle T delivers amazing purity of tone as well as astonishing resolution and presence of the percussion instruments. This piece is 75% micro dynamics and I believe such music demands a resolute three way design. Again, I have not heard another speaker do this music better (and I've heard a few!).
A customer of mine, who bought his Middle Ts at the same time as I, has them in front of a really top tier system--somewhere you might not normally find a $5400 speaker. He has commented a few times how beautiful his system is sounding --and he previously had a pair of world renowned monitor speakers which cost a fair chunk more than the Middle T.
It would be easy I think to pass the T series speakers as all slam and no finesse, at first glance. Such a response is the result of the many average to poor multi driver designs littered throughout the AV industry. The reality is the T series--the Middle T in particular-- is capable of astonishing inner beauty.
Call me a very happy customer :)
Thanks again,
James, Absolute Audio Video, Calgary
James, Is this a typo in the price of the middle T at $5400? I thought I had read somewhere that it was $4500.
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston Speaker Dealer
We would like to welcome ‘Engaged Audio’ in the U.S.A. as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100547)
www.Engagedaudio.com
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100548)
james
Hi James,
I've been talking to Paul Kraft at Engaged for a couple months now. When I saw he was a Bryston dealer a little over an hour from my house I contacted him to inquire as to whether he was considering carrying the Bryston speakers. As you may recall, I've been pestering you for some time now about there being nowhere go audition them in the Northeastern US. Just received an email from Paul today that they arrived today. As soon as he has them set up an settled in I'll be making an appointment to have a listen.
Congrats on adding a new dealer!
Bill
Thanks Bill - your commission check is on the way :thumb:
james
Just have my Bryston speakers.the mini t's are in house awaiting to be hooked up.
The build quality is fantastic folks.They are really impressive to see.
My dealer wants to hear them after I get them set up.I hope that after that the store here will carry them for other to hear.
Now to get things up and running.
really really pleased with Bryston and the Good people who run the ship.
There is no better service out there.trust me ...I know.
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: - Bryston Speakers - Birth & Evolution
July 2014
HI Folks,
Please see below a link to a recent article about the birth and evolution of the Bryston Loudspeakers written by David McCallum.
http://www.myhifilife.com/2014/07/02/a-report-on-bryston-t-series-loudspeakers/
David is a 20-year audio professional who works as a Sound Designer and Supervising Sound Editor for films and television. A partner at Tattersall Sound & Picture in Toronto, David has traveled the world to practice his craft, spending time at studios in Paris, London, Sao Paulo, San Francisco, Reykjavík and Amsterdam.
David’s complete profile can be found here:
http://www.myhifilife.com/about/
Great article! I had the opportunity to audition the Model T passives last week and must say all of David's accolades as well as the many other reviews and postings I found to be true so I won't repeat them here. If that's not enough the T's were standing right next to a pair of Revel Ultima Salon 2's. I was able to A/B them point blank. The Salons are a wonderful speaker and quite a piece of audio bling to be sure. Although they do some things better, the T's more than hold their own in all categories at 40% the price of the Salons. Their build quality is excellent and the standard Boston Cherry wood finish is beautiful. Standing next to the Salons did not diminish either.
My short list to replace the Infinity 9 Kappas are the above two, Marten Django XL, ML Summit X or Montis and Acoustic Zen Crescendo. I am now leaning heavily toward the T's. That being said David commented near the end of his article that the Model T Signatures are the best sounding Bryston Speaker currently. This begs the question for me as to what sound improvements the outboard X over makes over the passives. I don't see ever going to the active upgrade so my decision as to whether to go with the passives or Signatures would be strictly sound quality.
If anyone can shed some light on this I sure would appreciate it. I know it's been discussed before early on but I'm thinking by now more people have been able to compare the two.
Hi 95Dyna
Thank you for your kind comments on the Model T speakers. I have tremendous admiration for Salons and their design parameters are very similar to ours. I feel though as you said my goal with the Bryston speakers was to bring state of the art sound to our customers at a very affordable price point. :thumb:
The Signature Series gives you more flexibility going forward - the Active option of course - but also if the crossover changes over time it is a simple swap out or modification of the passive external crossover box rather than shipping the complete speaker back. Performance wise the advantages of the external crossover are air core inductors (only relevant at very high power levels) and custom proprietary Bryston labelled capacitors. Performance wise under most setup conditions they are very close. :thumb:
james
Hi James,
If these sound like "buying" questions, well.......The specs list the Model T as 50.5 inches tall. I'm assuming that measurement is from the bottom panel to top panel and the extra large outrigger would add height. I also understand the outrigger feet are adjustable. What is minimum height it adds and what is the adjustable range from minimum? Additional height is not a bad thing for me. I'm 6" 5" and like to stand a lot while listening (not on my head or I'd have to ask you to drill outrigger holes in the top of the speaker :lol:).
Also, what is the finish of the Model T Signature on page 1 and page 8 (same photo) standing on the hardwood floor in front of a 7B at the link below (Bryston brochure):
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_A_BROCHURE.pdf
Sounds great (no pun sorry lol) Is it still a Titanium diaphram? :thumb: Are there pictures of it?
Thanks for the speedy and helpful reply, James. I saw on another thread that you're on holiday. It's very Brystonistic of you to take your personal time to reply, but please go back to enjoying a well-deserved break.
Best,
Rich
________________
Whiney Napa Valley
For some time I have been contemplating purchasing a pair of Model T Signature speakers. However, I am in Australia and the mark-ups are so huge that the retail price is AUD$17000 (about US$15500) which is more than twice the retail price in North America, and not for any good reason. Consequently, they are not competitive in terms of value. I will just have to continue to be envious. :evil:
For some time I have been contemplating purchasing a pair of Model T Signature speakers. However, I am in Australia and the mark-ups are so huge that the retail price is AUD$17000 (about US$15500) which is more than twice the retail price in North America, and not for any good reason. Consequently, they are not competitive in terms of value. I will just have to continue to be envious. :evil:
Have you considered Axiom Audio? They are an internet direct company which has worldwide shipping. Due to the their working relationship, Bryston's line up posses Axiom DNA. Axiom's M80 is closest to the Model T and is even available in a High Power Version. Not sure if this mark up you mention is because of a dealership setup , but if you can bypass it by purchasing direct it could be an option.
Hi
The Axiom M80 high powered version is similar to our Bryston A2 (Although our A2 has a more sophisticated cabinet) - it is not the same as our Model T.
James
James,
For the Model T Signatures what would you recommend for amplifiers.
7b on the bottom and 4b on mids and highs OR something else
Also, could you make the make the TC1 centre a signature version on special order.
Hi James,
I know diving into a new products has its quirks, but ive been ready trying the signature T's for some time know, and you keep coming up with driver updates....
You have been getting some rave reviews, which is really tempting, though to be honest, these driver updates make me fear embarking on a 'beta' product. On a digital product like the BDP's i can appreciate that somehow, on a set of high end Loudspeakers like you're positioning the Signature T1's,I would a lot less....
Will you stop changing it after the recent updates :scratch:
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Oldguy
Thank you for the kind comments. Most people are surprised as you were at the build quality given the price category that the Bryston speakers fall in to. Wait till you hear them!!!!
james
Hi James,
What would be the price for the feet. Thanks
Gilles
Can we order them from Bryston or can they be available from the dealer. Thanks
Gilles
I've seen a mini platform supporting the Signature Model T Passive crossover in several pictures such as the one below. Does this platform come with the Model T Signature or is it an aftermarket item? If the latter does anybody know make, model number and price?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104371)
Google is your friend. Big Brother is watching. :o
Is this it? http://www.av2day.com/2013/04/bryston-model-t-signature-loudspeakers-launch-at-av-designs/
Hi,James,
First time I have seen this - it is definitely aftermarket - where did you get the picture from?
james
James,
This pic is from the What Hi Fi review on their website. I don't know where they got the pic. The platform seems like a good idea to tidy things up behind the Signature Passive, eh!
http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/bryston-model-t-signature-speakers-demo
In my opinion, these stands look a little too large for the cross-overs. What I'd like to see is a smaller set of outriggers with spiked feet that match the ones under the speakers. James, any thoughts on this? Thanks.
I have been enjoying my Middle T's for almost three weeks now and all I can say is "amazing"! It's very easy to look at a speaker and think, "what's the big deal? A box and some drivers - how different can they be from similar designs."
It's this thinking that has spawned countless would be speaker companies and thousands of DYI projects that aren't quite there. These are sooo "there" in all aspects and have me contemplating a complete five channel setup.
Hi Folks,
This coming from a very discriminating dealer - Dave's Faves - :thumb:
http://www.audioemporium.com/daves-faves-bryston-model-t/
james
James, I may have asked this before but what is the finish of the T's in your Signature and also in this review? They are very nice.
Is there an upcharge for custom veneer and are the veneer choices limited?
Thanks,
Bill
Hi James,
As one of the earliest adopters AND proponent of the Model T it is MOST gratifying to
see the wide industry acceptance and public success they have become.
In the end a great product will always win out.
Kudos my friend.
These continuing favourable reviews are all very pleasing as I ordered Model Ts about six weeks ago and the latest promise is that they will be delivered (in Australia) during the first week of October. I am looking forward to trying them out.
Hi
That's great - I think you will be the first owner in Australia. Did you hear them through the distributor?
James
No. I have not heard them but as I have an all-Bryston system (apart from speakers) I am prepared to take the risk - not something that I would normally do. :o
I hope that these Signatures will include the new feet - I will have to wait and see. I understand that they are to be air-freighted out so they are presumably still with Bryston.
Yes I would recommend getting the XL Outriggers with them. I will see what I can find out for you on Monday. What colour did you order?
James
Boston Cherry - I would have preferred Walnut but at the time I was making the choice the Walnut seemed to require a substantial premium as a special order although your post of 15th September appears to contradict this. :scratch:
Hi
Walnut is special order but is the same price as the Boston Cherry wood finish which is what I have at home.
James
Heres a shot of my Boston Cherry with outriggers.
james
September 2014
Hi Folks,
I will have the PDF shortly for the latest review in Sound and Vision Magazine of a complete Bryston speaker Surround system.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105415)
Some of my favorite quotes:
• With final placement of the Mini T’s settled, what I encountered was exceptionally neutral, uncolored reproduction ... with as complete an absence of discrete response anomalies as I’ve ever heard.
• The bass the “compact” Mini T Brystons could hurl into the room was truly astonishing. Rich high-frequency content like brushed cymbals were virtually perfect.
• Stereo listening whetted my appetite for multichannel. The result was outstanding! These Brystons are immensely transparent speakers. Nor were the Mini T and its mates impressive only on the big stuff. From the lowest C to the highest harmonics, were as convincing as I’ve ever heard from reproduced sound.
• These are, in short, very, very well-executed loudspeakers and finished to Bryston’s long-established high standards, speakers that will fully reveal what is on a recording for better or for worse.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105420)
Hi Bill
That is the Walnut veneer - no up-charge for Walnut over standard wood finishes (Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry, Black Ash)
james
Hi James,
I too may have asked you this before but what would be the upcharge over the standard wood veneers for the zebrawood finish?
Bill
Yes I would recommend getting the XL Outriggers with them. I will see what I can find out for you on Monday. What colour did you order?
James
Hello James:
Were you able to find out anythng about the Boston Cherry speakers I have on order?
Thanks,
Peter
Hi Peter
Yes the speakers shipped last week.
james
Thank you, James.
Did they by any chance have the new outriggers?
Peter
Hi
Not sure - did you order them as well?
james
No. I was under the impression that they shipped with all new production - obviously not. Probably confusion with the new design of feet/spikes. :scratch:
Looks as if I will have to order them.
Peter
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105841)
Not a bad idea - I will look into that.
james
Hi James;
Did you manage to get anywhere with the outriggers for the cross-overs? Thanks.
Hello James
I see your out board subs are built using two drivers in a vertical fashion. Knowing that this is the same array in your Model Ts. Did your ever experiment with a horizontal array using a bigger subs "10in" maybe? I see you have the floor bounce with the Model Ts covered but it appears to be some what redundant with the subs.
I am only trying to understand sub woofer designs methods. Not critiquing by any measure. Only questioning why you didn't approach using different heights? Which would be the most bottom (closest)distance to the floor woofer.
Model T with MAC gear in customers home:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106339)
James,
I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas area. Where is the closest place that I could listen to these speakers?
Tony
Or you can come to my place anytime!
james
Hi Tony
I will ask our Texas Rep for you - I think we have a dealer down that way.
Or you can come to my place anytime!
james
Thanks James. I think the Middle Ts would fit my room better than the Ts. Are the Middle Ts similar enough to the Ts that listening to the Ts would give me a good idea of how the Middle Ts would perform?
Tony
Hi Peter
Yes the speakers come with Rubber furniture feet and small spikes but they fit right below the speaker corners. The XL outriggers are what I posted on the bottom of my speakers and are an extra.
james
James , what is the price of the outriggers and are they adjustable for other speakers?
James,
You may have answered this at some point but my search is coming up empty. Are the six pairs of connector cables and two pairs of jumpers to connect a stereo amp (or two monos) to the Model T Signature included in the price? Also, are the connector cables the same as the internal cabling used in the Model T Standard? What is their length?
Thanks
Thanks James. I wasn't expecting such a thorough response but you saved yourself 1,000 words with those pics :thumb: Just a couple follow up questions:
Does Bryston sell a cabling kit for this? What's the price of the kit?
I'm using WireWorld Silver Eclipse 6 speaker cables. Is it OK or a bad idea to not match your main speaker cables on the output side of the crossover? I wouldn't want to alter the characteristics of the WW cables.
Thanks,
Bill
Hi SamuraiHi James why do you have 4 amps in this picture? What are the use and something else do you think biamping 2 4bsst2 is a good idea
It is never easy to 'guarantee' how a specific speaker will sound in a specific room but one of the main advantages of speakers like the Brystons, where you have excellent on and off axis flat response (excellent sound power), generally you can place larger speakers in a small room and not have the overload and tonal balance abnomalities that would occur in other kinds of speakers.
This is one of my rooms 14 1/2 feet x 11 1/2 feet - (upstairs bedroom - kids have left the roost) - and I have used all the Bryston models in this room - currently Model T Active.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82396)
james
Hi Folks,
The Bryston Mini T speaker has done well at the studio level but it looks like the Middle T is starting to make inroads as well.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105858)
This is a fully ACTIVE version of the Model T;s. The two 7B's run the woofers and the two 4B's run the Mids and Tweeters - the unit in the middle is the Active crossover.james I was thinking of using 2 4bs for biamping will I have better quality like that? Or will I damage speakers or the amplifiers?do I also need a crossover?
james
james I was thinking of using 2 4bs for biamping will I have better quality like that? Or will I damage speakers or the amplifiers?do I also need a crossover?
Hi James,
Do you have some info on the setup in the picture ? Do they use the "Middle T" as near-field monitors ? (It certainly looks like that...)
Is this actually possible/preferable with this size of a speaker ?
I know you mentionned that the Model T's were large dispersion speakers, but I guessed that the Mini T could be used near-field without much problem, but I didn't think that for the Middle T... (Certainly not for the big Model T...)
Any thought on that ?
I've been eyeing the Mini T, but this could opens up some possibilities... :-)
Hi AJ
Yes this studio has used both the Mini T and the Middle T and we assumed the Middle T would be more of a mid-field than a near-field but in this case the Middle T worked really well. You are correct that the Bryston speakers have very wide dispersion and they also integrate the drives once you move back about 1 meter from the speaker so you can sit very close to the Middles and still get a coherent wave launch.
james
James,
When you refer to "Bryston speakers" having this near field characteristic does that include the Model T? I really enjoy sitting or standing back about that distance and having that headphone with the tactile component experience as an alternate listening position.
I listened to the Mini T's today T my Bryston dealer and they were truly stunning. The absolute clarity and dynamic power was amazing. The only issue I had is that my listening room is only 10 by 13 feet and these can not be more that 12 inches from the back wall. When I moved the speakers that close to the back wall they produced slightly to much bass. The dealer suggested port plugs but I am concerned about messing up the balance of the speakers. I do have a Rythmik 12 inch sealed sub that can take the extreme low end (20 to 120Hz). Anyone with any idea how the plugs would work?
Thank you
Earl
BTW, I posted my demo review on WhatHiFi if anyone wants to read it. Called 'Bryston Mini T / PMC 24 Back to Back'
James, thank you for your prompt and informative reply. I heard them at Absolute Audio in Calgary and James was very helpful. A contributing factor to the base bump may have been the rack directly beside the right speaker. We could not get the speakers set up that close to the back wall with free space around them. In my listening environment I do not have that problem so they should be better. The other factor is the I am just not used to a speaker producing that level of mid bass. In fact, I may have had my subs turned down a bit below flat response. I don't know if you read my whathifi post but I am also seriously considering a pair of these for my dance floor but do you think the b100 is enough to drive them to potential or do they really need more power?
Earl
I will ask.
james
Hi James:
Did you get an answer back on this as I am ready to place an order. I am looking at ordering a white pair of Mini-Ts with 32" stands either white or unpainted (which I would have painted). What MSRP would I be looking at for such an order? Approximate time from order to delivery?
Kindly advise.
Thanks,
Tim
Hi Tim
We can do a custom non painted pair of Mini T's for you if that helps or a painted white pair - it would take about 3 weeks from order and just charge the same price as a standard wood finish.
The standard stand is 24 inches - any reason you need a 32? - I am a little concern it may be a little top heavy. The stands only come in black so no white available there.
Let me know which dealer and when and I will try an speed it up for you.
James
Hi James:
I am dealing with Mike at Audio Eden in Aurora. He convinced me to stick with the standard 24" stands but I do need the the Mini-T speaker finish and grills in white.
Kindly contact him as I placed my order this afternoon.
Thanks,
Tim
Hi Tim
Yes we got the order - custom units being done. :thumb:
james
MEMO:
Bryston is pleased to announce a new ‘A SERIES SUBWOOFER’
This new Sub utilizes two 10 inch custom drivers in an opposing side configuration with a 400 watt internal amplifier.
Sealed?
December 5th: Sinterklaas evening in the Netherlands. Families sharing presents. My daughter made this for me knowing I'm on the lookout for the Signatures... Enclosed was a real nice poem with the actual
present .
Kinda liked the detail in the external
Crossover ;-)
Have a good one everybody !
Marius
Nice Marius!
Let us know when the real thing materializes.
Cheers,
Bob
Hey Bob,
Now thats a bit of an issue in NL... need to find a dealer first, and then have them let me testdrive the Signatures at home. Demo is everything, especially at home.
Need James to stop making significant changes to them too :-) don't want a BDA2/3 discussion on the Signatures...
Cheers and happy holidays to all,
MArius
One good thing about the Model T's as the changes have all been retro-fittable. The Signature has the added advantage because if the crossover changes its an easy swap.
james
Hi Bill
Yes we offer a cable Kit:
Bryston Speaker Cables
Set of 3 speaker cables for $150.00 - Signature Passive Crossover - (2 sets required for a pair)
james
Thanks. Do you have the 3 cable lengths handy? I'm considering the WireWorld Mini Eclipse recommended for this application by Larry Smith at WW. They must be custom made so I have to give the dealer the lengths to get a price quote. I'm considering them since I have Silver Eclipse 6 SC's that I bought with my 7B's a couple years ago. They work very well in my system,
BTW, Larry gave the T-Sigs two thumbs up telling me they are an outstanding speaker system and that I would be thrilled with their performance. :thumb: :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110514)
Its a gold plated double banana.
James
I'm confused :scratch: aren't these cables connected where spades or bare wire would connect? I thought banana connectors plugged straight into the front of the terminals.
MEMO: To All Bryston Dealers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Début at Phase One Studio
December 2014
Hi James,
Got the Mini T’s we purchased in the studio this morning and of course we put them up in Studio C right away to give them a test drive, driven by two 7Bs and Nordost cables. I listened to an old Lyle Lovett CD (Joshua Judges Ruth) and Donald Fagen’s “Nightfly as well.
You could tell right off that the detail and openness and imaging were excellent!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110571)
We had an engineer in the room who likes his Dyne BM15s which were next to the Mini T’s. They were very similar in fact, much to my surprise, but the Dyne has a slightly larger woofer (10”) and did produce a bit more low end. However, as I pointed out, what counts is how the speakers translate to the outside world and for me the Dyne low end is not as detailed which could lead to a mistake in mastering the low end (the hardest part of recording to get right).
Engineers are a stubborn lot. They are resistant to change like no one’s business. Introducing something new is never an instant process of acceptance but over time the good stuff rises to the top. The Mini T’s offer a sense of detail that goes beyond the Dyne’s and for me is something I will master the next record with. All I’m looking for is a neutrality that gives me confidence the sound will be good on a variety of systems and from my brief listen, I have faith the Mini’s will do just that.
By the way, they are only slightly larger than other nearfields so are not totally out of place on a console. In a perfect world they would be shorter, deeper and possibly a bit more squat but I’m not complaining James, they are a fine addition to what we do. And we may end up putting the Mini’s on stands just behind the console, allowing us to lower the overall height by a few inches.
BARRY LUBOTTA
President
PHASE ONE AUDIO GROUP inc.
James, Andre Marc here. I just received a pair of Mimi A's in for for review.
Let me just say that after just 24 hours I am absolutely am impressed beyond any expectations I could have had.
The Mini A's have the potential to offer the highest price to performance ratio I have encountered in my time in the industry. Stay tuned.
Hi Andre
Well thank you for your kind comments. The Mini A was a special project for me as I wanted a true 3-way in as small a package as possible but with performance as good as a small cabinet would allow.
James
Hi
They can plug into the front but they can also fit through the holes in the post.
james
Thanks James. One more somewhat related question, if my main SC's are single pair spade terminated will I have to re-terminate with bananas since the jumpers appear to occupy the spade connection space on the x-over inputs?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111740)
Wanted to share my Middle T and Mini TC pictures!
Thanks for sharing - what electronics are you using? Are you happy with the sound?
james
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BASEMENT TAPES “PART 2”
December 2014
Hi Folks,
A month ago I sent out info indicating the Basement Tapes of Bob Dylan and the Band containing 138 songs were Restored, Mixed and Mastered by Peter Moore of “The E Room Mastering Studios” on: the Bryston Middle T speakers and Bryston amplifiers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111050)
I am pleased to report the recording has received the:
“Stereophile Recording of the Month”
The Basement Tapes Complete … John Swenson Stereophile
“This is a difficult album to rate sonically. In restoring it to its original state, Peter J, Moore has presented us with a deliberately rough-hewn product.
But the painstaking effort to re-create the sessions as they happened, with the best-recorded versions of Dylan's vocals ever issued, is a work of restorative art in its own right, showing us this music without the masks it has paraded behind over the years.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111051)
LINK:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/recording-january-2015-basement-tapes-completere
James I have been on a major Elvis kick with the Mini A's...the King sounds great on these speakers!
Hi Earl
Well thank you for your kind comments on the speakers - much appreciated - no new models on the drawing board at this point other than the T REX.
Low bass response in any room will be a function of the boundary affects and the low frequency capability of the speaker so there really is no distance from the rear wall that is set in stone. For example in my 3rd room which is 11 x 13 x 8 the Mini T's sound superb and they are only 12 inches from the back wall.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113363)
In Vegas recently at the CES show they were 2 feet from the back wall. So each room is different and placement will vary. Generally speaking all our speakers only need to be about 8-12 inches from a rear wall if rear ported and if closer placement is required we have port plugs which can reduce the low bass output below about 50 Hz.
AS for your room setup I would say if the Mini T is too large then I would suggest 2 options.
1. The Mini A's with the new Mini A Sub or the Model T Mini Sub depending on budget as that would allow you to adjust bass according to your room setup and listening preferences.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113367)
Option 2 would be the A3 tower as it has a similar driver compliment to the Mini T and is capable of lower bass than the Mini A on its own.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113366)
Hope this helps.
James, are those stands from Axiom used for the QS4's and 8"s surround speakers?
Hi Earl
Well thank you for your kind comments on the speakers - much appreciated - no new models on the drawing board at this point other than the T REX.
james
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James,
what are the T REX??
thanks,
al.
Just received a set of Mini T's today with the new tweets of course(THX Chris)
Their some heavy for their size and very solid :thumb:.
Their mission if they decide to accept is for surround duty backed up with a pair of 7Bsst2's.
So far they like it (THX -10) on the dial but I've only listened for about an hour(wifey called).
Used a concert bluray The Eagles Farewell Tour I live in Melbourne as their is some nice sax back up and also some small percussion in the back ground.
Great separation and distinction especially with small percussion such as shakers ect. as their level is low in the mix but the Mini's sure bring them out nice and clear :thumb:.
Was a tad worried that the Mini's and Revel's would be fighting each other,seems they get along great on stage.
Also I noticed the natural ambience of the venue could definitely be heard more thru the Mini's.
I'm quite impressed with what I have heard so far in fact their staying put and the Revel S-30's will go up on the block.
Damn it James,that means I'll have to audition the T's or A's and compare them to the Revel 52's if Audioark still has them.
Or bring them home for a home audition.
Yes,that should give me a better indication how the T's will do up front only on a larger scale and a bit of comparison with the 50A's.
James: Seriously considering my next speaker upgrade for my living room system that is currently running Focal Aria 948's. Focal 1038BE's would be the natural "step up" from the Arias, but the Model T's are getting such rave reviews that I am really wanting to hear them. And of course they are right in the same price range (thinking Passive Signature T's).
My problem is there appear to be no dealers in North Texas and the only dealer in Texas is in Austin (4 hour drive). What do you suggest for those of us really wanting to audition the Bryston but faced with a limited dealer network? Any thoughs about finding a dealer in the Dallas (DFW) area?
James: Seriously considering my next speaker upgrade for my living room system that is currently running Focal Aria 948's. Focal 1038BE's would be the natural "step up" from the Arias, but the Model T's are getting such rave reviews that I am really wanting to hear them. And of course they are right in the same price range (thinking Passive Signature T's).
My problem is there appear to be no dealers in North Texas and the only dealer in Texas is in Austin (4 hour drive). What do you suggest for those of us really wanting to audition the Bryston but faced with a limited dealer network? Any thoughs about finding a dealer in the Dallas (DFW) area?
I am tempted to try the Mini A's..AA has a demo pair for sale. Don't know how they will compare to my beautiful B&W 805 sigs in red birdseye. I am using a Parasound JC2 pre amp and a Parasound Halo A52 amp at 125 per channel.
Any thoughts?
placed the order through Tim at AA.......... :D
here's a few photos of current setup
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(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/IMG_20150211_121317178.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/IMG_20150211_121317178.jpg.html)
(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/IMG_20150211_121236556_HDR.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/IMG_20150211_121236556_HDR.jpg.html)
I am having the speakers shipped to me to demo.Afterwards I will be offering them for sale here for someone else to try b4 returning them. These might serve well for others to try a Bryston speaker where listening and seeing them is impossible as it is here in NY.
yes at a nice discount and I can return them no problem......but I will try to sell them here discounted if anyone wants them to demo.If not and I decide the mini A's keepers, I will exchange for a new pair in a nice wood finish. It is only the one speaker that has the damage. The other is in perfect condition.
looks obscene..LOL.
Still breaking in the Mini A's, close to 30 hours now. They will be running most of the day again today. Hope to sit down with them tomorrow for a while, but still want to give them a few more days before some serious listening. I love the classic look of them. I keep the grilles off so I can admire them even when watching tv.
James,
Very nice. What software do you use to capture the polars?
Hi Tom
These are not my measurements - they are the reviewers - the review does cover what measuring tools he used but will not be out for a week or two.
james
Started some listening last night. Toed in speakers slightly and that improved imaging and sound stage. Played cd's only from krell through the BdA 1 Dac. Started with Struntz and Farah's HEAT OF THE NIGHT. The guitars sounded very life like and detailed. The sound of these speakers are very different than my B&W 805 sig's so I will not try to compare them as planned but concentrate on the Mini A's on their own. I followed with David Benoit's HERE'S TO YOU CHARLIE BROWN which was so detailed and different from any way I had ever heard this cd before. If you don't own this cd, pick it up. Everything, instruments, guitars , piano, keyboards, and even the vocals was astonishing. I could swear I heard details and instruments and sounds that I never experienced in the many times I have listened to this disc over the years with several different speakers and electronics. I followed that up with Joe Sample's SAMPLE THIS. This disc seemed to be lacking something. First I thought that perhaps adding my subwoofer might improve the sound but decided that perhaps my medium volume listening might be the issue. So I turned up the JC2 slightly and WOW did the speakers sing. Seems that they like being played loud, or in my setup ,just a little louder than my normal volume and listening levels. Next I played Tony Bennet's SIMPLY FRANK. It was like Tony was right here in my room. This is also a great cd to own as the vocals and orchestration are fantastic. Tony's voice which can be pretty sour and flat at times ,came across with all it's beauty and ugliness that might make him wish he re-cut some of the songs if he heard them on the MINI A's.
Still a long way to go and some more break in, but right now they are very impressive . Next I will try a combo of LP's and cd's and then as fronts in my HT.
James,
perhaps you can fill me on these speakers history
serial numbers
4711803143001 and 002
there were small screws stuck to one of the grilles that are magnetized. They match the screws of the tweeter
thanks,
Gene
Hi Gene
Thanks for the feedback - glad you are enjoying them
There is not much history as they were sold about 2 months ago to AA and they have been using them as demos. Not sure what the screw issue is - there are no missing screws I assume/
james
Thanks! I'll take a look in a couple weeks.
Perhaps more break in is needed but the mini A's fell flat on their faces when playing LP's. I am using a Rega p3-24 with an Exact cartridge and Cambridge 540 Azur Phono pre amp. I played Diana Krall's latest, WALLFLOWER, not her best, and it was flat, tinny and very harsh. I then tried SantanA's AMIGOS, the speakers corners remaster, the track GITANO which is outstanding ,was mediocre at best;. Thinking maybe something was wrong, I re set up My B&W 805 sig's and and the music from my Turntable came to life. I then set the mini A's back up and put on XM radio Coffee House, and the mini A's just loved it. Are these speakers meant for digital and streaming but not old fashioned analog? Time will tell as they are up and running again all day while I am out and will wait a few more days before playing LP's again.
Nice review!!.
Glad to see the use of the BDA-1 DAC which I also have. It notes that he used them for several months before writing his review. That is why I am not discouraged about LP playback as mine are only a week in use. On the digital end, I can agree with his description of how great the cd's he listened to sounded. They are so realistic with vocals and instruments. Unlike any I have heard before myself. I also agree on how well they are made and the beautiful fit and finish. Mine are the vinyls and they are superb. I like that he used several different amps, including a Carver tube amp, so others that have similar amps can relate to how they might sound on their systems. Interesting that he changed the jumpers to improve the sound. Ya never know about little tweaks. I might try my Sig's jumpers for the heck of it as well as changing out my Acoustic Zen cables from phono pre to some Audioquest Diamond backs that I have as spares. They are very addicting speakers and very easy to fall in love with.
Good news on the TT isuue. Changing the cables did the trick. The cables were creating some bad sound issues that did not happen with the B&W's but weren't good for the Bryston's. The Audioquest Diamondbacks have my TT playing beautifully now.
PS. The Audioquest Black Mamba's were harsh as well. Cables do make a difference if anyone thinks not.
Last night's listenings were all vinyl LP's. First up was the Mono Remaster of the Beatles SGT PEPPER. The sound and detail was terrific and the music was spot on in the center of my listening set up. I am not a big fan of the MONO remasters as others are. I own several original mono's of the Beatles and they sound much better than the new releases. Next was the Stereo remaster of REVOLVER. The playback was incredible and the fun of sound mixing that the Beatles like to use was as good as it gets. The track of YELLOW SUBMARINE had me laughing out loud. Next was my original pressing of the soundtrack of A HARD DAY'S NIGHT. This was the first Beatles LP I ever bought and picked up prior to even seeing the movie later that week.It is about 51 years and has been played on some of the worst record players ever but it is still one of my prize possessions. It was amazing on the Mini A's. Every detail of this High Fidelity lp was beautiful to hear. It was as if this is what the Mini A 's were built for. Definitely the star of the show last night. I would own these speakers if only to play back this record. It was that good. Next up was another mono album Frank Sinatra's STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT. I thoroughly enjoyed the sound produced by the Mini A's from this LP. Welcome to my home Frank. On to another Sinatra, the recently remastered COME FLY WITH ME. This lp is very smooth and detailed and the speakers made this a pleasure to listen to. Finished up with one side of the great 2 LP set of John Williams STAR WARS. The soundtrack orchestrations sounded beautiful and the final track, the scene from THE CANTINA jumped right out at you.Tomorrow I plan on more vinyl. Probably more rock and definitely some more soundtracks such as the new RED VINYL release of BLADE RUNNER.If anyone has an lp or cd they would like me to check out, let me know. If I have have it, I will give it a spin.
So how did your weekend with the Mini A's go? :D
Big decision week..sell this set at a low price or return them. I have to pay return shipping. I will then order pair in a Wood finish.Either way the Mini A's are going to be a part of my set up for quite some time . My 805 sig's will get some rest for the time being but they will never be sold.
I am thinking around 800 , my cost of speakers plus shipping via Fed Ex to anywhere in the continental USA. Assuming one doesn't mind the one speaker with the dings. That' 400 less than the cost of a new pair, without dings of course.
I have 100% Positive feedback on Audiogon for several years and over 300 plus on e-bay and would never consider selling them if there was an issue the one speaker just in case anyone is thinking about them.
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: 2015 CES Report
March 2015
Been a while since I posted here but just thought I'd share my experience, as I was able to go to the 2015 CES this year
A real shocker (closer to the realm of reality as far as price goes) was the Bryston Mini-T speaker.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116530)
These speakers are stand mount, IIRC they're 22" tall.
The sound radiating from these was absolutely stunning and very full range for a more compact loudspeaker, I believe they're about $3200 the pair.
Mattsk8
ED: - System on demo was:
Bryston 7B SST2 Mono Amplifiers
Bryston BP26 Preamp
Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player
Bryston BDA-2 DAC
Bryston Mini T Loudspeakers
http://www.hifi.nl/artikel/23105//Bryston-kondigt-Mini-A-luidspreker-aan.html
(Google translate is your friend)
Hi Anonamemouse
Thanks you for posting this - what price is $12,000 translated to USA funds please?
james
Must be a wrong quote James, MIniA are listed in this article for 12K american dollars.
Only proves Bryston needs to check its sales channel in the Netherlands, Ive already mailed Mafico several times to audition the ModelT, without any response whatsoever...
No mentioning of the speakers on their website either, nor in their pricelist.
Hope it gets better ...
Marius
James, congratulations on the very positive review above and on the accolades your speakers have received. I'm very interested in the Model Ts and subs. I'm using two Velodyne DD15s now, and the built-in EQ has been quite useful in my room. What are your recommendations on EQ for the Model T subs?
Cheerio,
Rich
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James,
Do you know if any Bryston speakers are going to be displayed in the upcoming Munich High End show in May?
Regards,
Toms
Hi James,
Congrats on all the Kudos the speakers are getting in Montreal and elsewhere. Are the Mini T's above the Boston Cherry or the Rosewood finish. I have the hardest time telling them apart from website pics.
Thanks!
Are there any similarities between the Axiom speakers and Bryston ? They look similar with two tweeters on some models .
Hello James,
What is the ideal/recommended height of the tweeter? Previous speakers that I have owned have recommended that your ear level be at the elevation of the area between the tweeter and the mid woofer. I have some 18" stands now but that would put the tweeter at 40" off the floor. In my current listening chair my ears are around 36" off the floor.
Regards,
Tim
My Mini A's have a new home.Really enjoyed my time with them. Decision time. Try a pair of the A3's or order a new pair of mini A's in Walnut veneer. How would you compare the two other than the obvious size?
A lot also depends on the New York Rangers LOL. I am a season tickets holder and the cost of the playoff tickets and how far they go is pretty high. I can only imagine the audio gear I would own if not for my hockey addiction. :roll:
hi James,
do they sound good at low levels..I live in an apt if you remember my photos of my set up here. Are they as detailed as the mini A's?Hard to find reviews of the A3's. Last floor standers were my Snell EIV V2 about 12 years ago and have been living with monitors ever since.
thanks
James,
Mini T vs A3.....I see someone has an add for a pair of Mini t's in Walnut....how would you rate them vs the A3 towers? The A3's would be from a dealer the mini t's from an owner rated 10 as new
thanks
Gene
Hi James
I listed to the Middle T today at a local dealer and was very impressed. I know you were using, and involved with, PMC at one point. How would you say the Bryston line compare. I thought they sounded in he same tonal "family" ( which is a good thing)only with some improvements in the low end (even though the PMC are very good in the lows)
I'm seriously considering flipping my OB1i for the middle T
Would you say the Mini A has more detail or HF energy than the Kef LS50?
I'd like to hear them in So. California.
Thanks
Possible to hear them in So. California?
Thanks
Thanks James. Looks beautiful. Tough choice between the red and the Brazilian. Gotta make it by Monday though !
Glad you like the finishes. Are you ordering a pair of speakers? If so the Brazilian is going fast
James
How would you make a comparison between the A2 and the Mini T?
They are almost exactly the same price, and the A2 only very slightly edges out the Mini T in specs:
Sensitivity: 87dB vs 86dB
Frequency Response: 31Hz - 20KHz vs 38Hz - 20KHz (+/- 3dB)
Max SPL: 114dB vs 112dB
Steve
Curious to know what you Bryston Mini T and Middle T owners are using for amplification and what you like/dislike about the pairing.
Awesome. I can stop by and see David at Pulsworks and give them a listen.
Well, I did it! I have a pair of Model T (passives) on order with a matching center channel in the custom Rosewood finish. Needless to say I'm super excited and will report back when they arrive and have had some good run in time. :thumb:
Well, I did it! I have a pair of Model T (passives) on order with a matching center channel in the custom Rosewood finish. Needless to say I'm super excited and will report back when they arrive and have had some good run in time. :thumb:
Hi Scirica
Put the order in for you today - they tell me about 3 weeks. Congrates - you will love these speakers and after looking at your room they should throw a terrific soundstage for you.
james
Congrats Scirica! I'm on the verge of a decision myself. James, what are the characteristics of Scirica's room that will facilitate the "terrific soundstage"
Thanks,
Bill
You have my permission James! Just don't give out my address :lol:
You have my permission James! Just don't give out my address :lol:
Nice room. Are those 1038 BE's? If they are and you are replacing them with Model T's that's a big hats off to the Brystons. I've heard the 1038's and was very impressed with them except for the very low end.
James, how much does the high ceiling account for the soundstage performance? My room is currently 16'x21'x10' high and I'll be moving to a similar sized room that is longer but the ceiling is lower 16'x27'x8' high.
Thanks.
Nice room. Are those 1038 BE's? If they are and you are replacing them with Model T's that's a big hats off to the Brystons. I've heard the 1038's and was very impressed with them except for the very low end.
James, how much does the high ceiling account for the soundstage performance? My room is currently 16'x21'x10' high and I'll be moving to a similar sized room that is longer but the ceiling is lower 16'x27'x8' high.
Thanks.
IMO you want to have the Model T's spaced as wide as possible. In my room spaced 10' apart the speaker acts as a boundary. I don't even hear the speakers but the soundstage imaging between the speakers. 8)
Yes the high ceiling just adds a sense of height to the stage but with our speakers first reflections from nearby surfaces are not a problem.
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121295)
Thank you James for the detail explanation about the nearfield vs directsound post!
You talk a lot about the Model-T capabilities and specifications as is understandable as they are your flagship speakers, but how do the Middle-T and, more specific to my case, the Mini-T compare ?
For exemple, do you have graphs that shows off the Mini-T comparing SPL vs Freq vs orientation ?
In my case, my room is quite small. Speakers would be about 5 to 6 foot apart with a listening distance about the same. I suppose this is considered "nearfield" so I look more into the "Mini-T". (I've offen wondered if Middle-Ts would be ok... You once had a picture of a studio which used Middle-T in a nearfield setup...)
I've added some absortion panel to kill some echoe but don't want to over do it to kill the sounds...
I think I'll wait on the room treatment for now until a manage to get some quality speakers.
For a listening environment with the standard "listening triangle" having sides of 5 to 6 feet (speaker-speaker-listener), could the Middle-T do a good job or am I better to stick with the Mini-Ts ?
Yes, those are 1038be's but they are only on loan as an in-house demo. I do love the mids and highs, but there is something lacking in overall sound stage and as you mentioned the low end. And the Model T is 1,000's less than the 1038be's. What I'll actually be upgrading from is Focal Aria 948's.
Nice roomThanks. Unlike you, I really do like the 1038's but there is something magical to the relaxed, uncompressed sound of the Brystons. And as I mentioned previously, the obvious value statement.
I'm definitely not a fan of the Electra's and given their price the Bryston's and even Paradigm S8's are definitely much better value. I've never heard the Bryston's but have heard the Paradigm's up against both the 1028's and 1038's and preferred the Paradigm's.
I assume you aren't going to be putting the Bryston center in the same place as your current center? Which center are you getting, big or small?
Is that a Sub 25 I see there?
James:
I know that the "perfect" match for my future Model T's would be the 14Bsst2 as we discussed previously. However, I also have access to a very attractively priced McIntosh MC452 local to me in Dallas. I know you represent Bryston and probably are uncomfortable answering this publicly, but what are your thoughts about the MC452 driving your Model T's, and have you ever heard this combo?
Thanks,
Steve
Hi Steve
No sorry I have not heard the combo but McIntosh builds a quality product so it should be fine.
james
Sorry I asked. This is one of those, what did you expect him to say questions! Bad question resulting in worthless answer!
Sorry I asked. This is one of those, what did you expect him to say questions! Bad question resulting in worthless answer!
nothing wrong with your question..not everyone interested Bryston speakers is running Bryston electronics. :)
Hi Folks,
Was just informed that the Bryston Mini T Speakers will be getting a special award from a major US Magazine as well as a full feature review.
Favorite quotes from review:
“We are very happy to give them (Bryston Mini T Speakers) one of our Exceptional Value Awards for 2015.”
“I’ve had very few true jaw dropping moments in HiFi, but this was one of them!”
The full review will be available shortly.
James
Folded ribbon tweeters are starting to appear in a number of well known speakers. What are the chances we will see this speaker as an option on Bryston Speakers in the future?
Hi ZorroI've heard this tweeter in a "well known, higher end" brand (med) floor stander design. I tend to agree with the above description given in the environment it was in. Could it change in your room? Possibility, but overall the presentation I heard was flat and with little extension.
Not likely in our speakers as we are trying to provide as wide and as flat an on and off axis response (both vertically and horizontally) as possible on our speakers and dome tweeters work better in that regard. Ribbons have good dispersion horizontally but vertically once you move above or below there physical length the radiation pattern suffers.
james
Review link - https://app.box.com/tone-mini-T-review
james
what review were the pair you purchased in? :D
were they ones in the Tone magazine review from page 106?
I plan to try that tomorrow..maybe tonight.......The B&W stands can hold up to 50lbs and I have to check the plate size. I have plenty of Blu Tac. Right now I have them 6 inches off the floor on some hard wooden storage cases. I did have to block the rear ports with foam to control the bass in my set up. They only had 30 minutes of play time on them according to the seller, so break in is needed.
Sub is off.....still prefer them with ports blocked presently.I had blocked the ports on the Mini A's for a while also. I placed one on the 24 inch stands and I think it is too high. They sound pretty darn good only 6 inches high but I do want to get them up a little higher. Perhaps a 16 inch stand would work for me. I'll be doing my homework while running the Mini T's. It's a work in progress. It took a while for the Harbeths to settle in and quite a bit of fine tuning location b4 I finally got it just right. My room acoustics aren't the best for sure. :icon_lol:
I am thinking about these in silver or black..VTI 19 inch stands
http://www.standsandmounts.com/vtiufseries19inchspeakerstandsblackorsilveruf19.aspx
YES..I am also looking at the Target - FS-Series Speaker Stands, 20 inch height but cannot find any info on how much weight they can hold.
great..I am going to order them from Music Direct.com :beer:
So far the Mini T's are pretty incredible..a favorite new Cd of Bob James's live concert that he autographed for me recently sounds great, very detailed and full rich sound. One would think he was playing the piano right here in my apt.
Hey James:
I got an update this week that my Model T's and Mini-T Center should be on their way to my dealer soon. I can't wait them to make the long trip from Canada to the dealer and then on to Texas. Please package with care!!!
Hi
Yes we got the veneer in on Wednesday so they are currently in production.
They have to go on a skid as they are too heavy for Puralator or UPS etc.
james
I am looking into something different and keeping speakers low..they just seem to sound and look better that way. These are some big boys. Sound anchor makes some but are costly..I see some low height solid wood speakers stands as well.
Hi Gene
I am thinking of designing a custom stand for the MINi T using the MR stand but having a top plate to match the base of the Mini T.
Sound Anchors are a good option as well.
james
My mini T's along with center channel arrive this week.
Stands from www.gwizpro.com arrived. Very nice. I ordered the spikes for the bottoms and used a little blu tack for the pucks that come with the spikes. They are a group of VETS who custom build wooden stands for speakers.. Any size or custom design and whatever color stain you want. I went with a basic black ash to match speakers. Only 9 inches high not counting spikes. Looking and sounding good.
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Thanks....it's not perfect but it certainly helps :)
James:
as far as the Mini T's go it's still a work in progress but now that I have the stands and have them set up pretty much the way I want them , I can concentrate on the tweaks to bring out the best of the speakers. First thing I plan to is to bi wire them. My biggest issue is that they are on the boomy side in my home set up although when the were just sitting on the floor with the spikes they were sounding really good. The detail is terrific . They might need some bass management that my Parasound JC2 doesn't have but my Marantz Pre/pro does so I might swap out the leads to see to experiment using the Marantz. I have a few other ideas in mind as an apartment dweller I don't have the luxury of space as a house owner does. I am committed now to the Mini T's as I sold the Harbeth's and set up my B&W sig's in my BR with a nice Rotel integrated amp and a Rotel tuner. It's what I like to do, work the problem. It keeps me busy and in the end is very rewarding with all the hands on trial and error. It is a great learning experience too. We've come a long way since a simple receiver, turntable and speakers.
OK Thanks - the Mini T's will go down to 35 Cycles so they go much lower than most bookshelf type speakers so they will load the room differently. Also as you noticed when you raise them off the floor the floor bounce dip changes due to the different wavelengths in the bass relative to the floor and your listening position.
We do have a product called PORT PLUGS which allow you to block the port on the rear of the speaker. What that does is gently roll off the low bass a little quicker and you may fine that helps in a small room. Try stuffing the ports with a pair of socks and see if that helps.
james
Try stuffing the ports with a pair of socks and see if that helps.
Hi James ,
Found this on Twitter :
@DAR__KO: Depeche Mode's "Dream On" sounding rather tasty on Bryston Mini T loudspeakers powered by Bryston… https://t.co/bycDnYswTo
Cheers Marius
Thanks - was this in a store?
james
Gene9p,
What a great idea! I've used spikes under my speaker stands for years and I've always had a love/hate feeling toward the pucks. Love because they protect the floor, and hate because they always come loose when I have to move the speakers. I never thought of using Blu Tack! Great idea!
Terry
Hi James,
I am interested in purchasing the Model T Signature speakers, and have a few questions.
1. Is there still going to be an active crossover available as an upgrade option?
2. If i use only 1 amp, i believe your suggestion was a pair of 7B's. If i had the money then i would also buy a pair of 4b's.
How much of a sonic improvement would i hear if i used both 4b's and 7b's as opposed to just a pair of 7b's?
3. If i wanted could i replace the passive crossovers with a pair of 10b's, and would that be a good idea?
So, what controls will be on the active digital crossover.
Ability to change crossover points?
Any type of volume control?
Here is what i do not understand, when using the active crossover (alot actually)
If i have a pair of 7b's on the bottom and 4b's on the top using the active crossover,
how is the volume controlled, by the fact that the 7b's put out more power to the lower drivers?
I replaced the spikes on my ProAc Response D30R floorstanding speakers with Soundcare SuperSpikes (Standard model).Thanks for the link. Looks good!
They act like spikes but also protect your floors and you don't have to worry about moving/adjusting your speakers.
http://www.soundcare.no/products.htm (http://www.soundcare.no/products.htm)
Hi Folks,
Shot of the Model T Active setup in my number 2 audio room:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125958)
james
James,
Do you notice any difference powering it with a pair - 6b's as opposed to a pair of 7b's and 4b's.
is that my Pioneer Elite..I sadly and foolishly sold it 2 years ago :cry:
PS. I like that everyone, including myself, puts little decorations or ornaments on the top of their Bryston speakers :thumb:
is that my Pioneer Elite..I sadly and foolishly sold it 2 years ago :cry:
PS. I like that everyone, including myself, puts little decorations or ornaments on the top of their Bryston speakers :thumb:
James,
Are you trying to start an earthquake with all that bass in one room? :lol:
Is that the Boston Cherry finish? Looks marvelous!
James
How important is break in for the Middle T and how long until they are "mostly" at their best
I would say about 30 hours.
James
Should I see a noticeable difference vs out of the box ?
Hi James,
Looking at the picture you posted about Hi-Ton and the "Mini-A" and "Mini-T" that we see in it...
I've seen (actually audition) a pair of "Mini-T" but haven't seen the "Mini-A".
Compared to the "A", the "T's" don't look that "Mini" to me!
Maybe you should revised your calling scheme... (Just kidding! :-))
Another question; Althought they are not needed for stability, are they any "outriggers" that would fit the "Mini-T" ? My setup would put them on a desktop... Just thinking they would look good with those... Would the same one used on the Middle/Model-T fit the Mini-T ?
Thank you for your time!
Take care!
Hi James,
Do you have a picture of an upside-down (or on the side) speaker with your outriggers installed to see how they mount ?
I wonder if they could not be fitted if "adapted" (another hole drilled...) manually.
Thanks!
Take care.
Any idea what the Canadian MSRP is of the AC 1 center?
Thanks
James - can you please advise the Canadian list prices on the AC-1 Micro & Mini as well, TIA
Hi James,
There is a mention about "port plugs" in the speaker documentation that can be used when the speakers are located near walls or corner to attenuate the bass responses...
How much would a pair of those cost ?
(For the "Mini T" if it matters)
Thanks!
Take care!
I would say about 30 hours.
James
I have about 45 hours on my middle T's now and seemingly they are still improving every day
HI
What do you find changes as they mature?
james
So far , mostly everything. For me, most notably, the top end becomes a little more extended, smoother and airy and the mids are becoming a little more crisp. Imaging seems to improve as well. all of these were great to begin with, they just seem to be improving
It's interesting isn't it - as these are things that are not measured but certainly seem to change with time. :scratch:
james
Nice setup !
Bryston A2 speakers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127305)
Nice indeed James, special-build Subs in the back?
Cheers,
Marius
Yes the dealer is not using the Subs but they are for sale. They are Kinergetics I believe which were popular in their day.
James,
what is the recommended center speaker for the A2 speakers?
any updates planned for the A2 speakers??
al.
Hi al
Either the AC1 or the AC1 MIni Center. No changes planned. There are some great reviews coming on the A2's as well.
james
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thanks, James!
would the 4B SST be overkill for the A2?
I think Mr. Tanner has one of the best jobs on the planet!
HsvHeelFan
I would say about 30 hours.
James
Just an FYI James, I have about 85 hours on the a middle T now and the bass is just starting to "come in". More present, tighter, quicker. I was surprised at what seemed to happen to the bass right around 80 hours.
Good to hear! - my 30 hours are dog hours. :lol:
james
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: “Bryston Day at Audio Eden in Toronto.”
Hi James,
Not to be outdone by our Western friends our dealer Audio Eden in Toronto shows off as well this past weekend! It was a terrific turn out!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129100)
Bryston Day in Toronto!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129101)
On Display: ♬
Here's a pic of the set up: … BDP-2 Digital Player, BDA-2 DAC, BP-26 Preamp, 28B SST2 Amplifiers and Bryston Model T speakers in Rosewood
Steve Brothman
Ontario Sales Representative.
LOL Another example of the cables being worth more than the speakers.
HI James,
Excuse my crosspost, but what would you think of a MiniTC(connected) like the Yamaha below?
Maybe http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/666-yamaha-nx-n500-network-powered-speaker-review/ (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/666-yamaha-nx-n500-network-powered-speaker-review/) could be an inspiration for a Bryston implementation.
Cheeers,
Marius
Hi Marius
Odd you should ask as we have a number of studios now using our Mini T as Mid-Fields and we are looking at adding an internal power amplifier for just that reason. I have built a few custom Mini T's with bolt on attachment for the Bryston PowerPac amplifiers as well for a studio.
james
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Day at Audio Ark in Edmonton
.
The Bryston Mini T's seem to be the bell of the ball and the new tweeters are just what the doctor ordered across the entire speaker range!
Also, a big thank you to Mr. Dayton for his knowledge and patience.
Regards,
Mike Harlow
Audio Ark
New tweeters?
What a great story! Thanks for sharing this. Too bad the pictures didn't post.
Terry
I'm happy to tell you that my experience with Bryston this year has been nothing short of fantastic.
Yours is one of many excellent customer service stories regarding Bryston.
What I'm curious about is that if Ivan (dealer) and James and Gary (Bryston) all had no hesitation in agreeing with your assessment on the flaws, how is it that they got past quality control inspection? One would assume that at least three pairs of eyeballs were on them from veneering to finishing to packing. Are the custom orders drop shipped from Axiom without any Bryston inspection?
Steve
... how is it that they got past quality control inspection? One would assume that at least three pairs of eyeballs were on them from veneering to finishing to packing. Are the custom orders drop shipped from Axiom without any Bryston inspection?
Steve
Yours is one of many excellent customer service stories regarding Bryston.
What I'm curious about is that if Ivan (dealer) and James and Gary (Bryston) all had no hesitation in agreeing with your assessment on the flaws, how is it that they got past quality control inspection? One would assume that at least three pairs of eyeballs were on them from veneering to finishing to packing. Are the custom orders drop shipped from Axiom without any Bryston inspection?
Steve
I'll let James chime in with details, but they are boxed up in the Axiom factory after Axiom does a QA. This pair obviously slipped through the cracks.
QC issues happen. My issue was nowhere near as severe.
One of the threaded spike sleeves on my Middle Ts didn't work well at all. Tried all 8 spikes and not one would go in easily. The remaining 7 threads were just fine. I couldn't envision repacking the speaker up and arranging for (even if I didn't have to pay for it) transfer back to Axiom and then wait for its or a replacement returned to me.
A pair of vice grips solved the problem.
I'll let James chime in with details, but they are boxed up in the Axiom factory after Axiom does a QA. This pair obviously slipped through the cracks.
I've seen it before, where especially with loudspeakers they pass final inspection, then are boxed for the warehouse or shipment to the customer.
The problem arises in the boxing; whether it's a change in humidity or temperature, or just one of those things, but the plastic wrap or other boxing components ... styrofoam, cardboard, etc. ... generate a problem when in contact with the speakers. They get shipped and don't reflect the pre-boxing condition upon unboxing.
It's important that the manufacturer is contacted, which is the case here, since the problem is usually easily addressed by a change in procedure, maybe as small as waiting an hour or two longer before factory packing.
Do we know it was a packing/shipping issue?? I didn't read that.
Yes it was a finish issue where one speaker was very smooth to the touch and the other was rougher. It looked OK but you could feel the difference with your hand.
james
Congrats on another great review James!
Hey James
Hope you’re doing well. here’s a pic for ya! After one year, my Mini T's are turning a nice rich color…and the sound keeps getting better!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131430)
I’m batchin’ it for a few weeks. it’s amazing what speaker placements come to mind when there’s nobody else around! The Mini T’s are facing the kitchen - cranking some Mark Knopfler (again!). have you heard the new “Tracker” album yet? very well recorded. the cymbols on “laughs and drinks and smokes” are sweet.
I’m loving my ALL Bryston setup James. (well, except for an old Carver CD player I bought in Fredericton back in 1994. Oh, and i hear you are working on a new CD player…exciting !
Hey, at the Vancouver audio show last summer, we chatted a little about Oscar Peterson. I am shamefully short of any Oscar recordings - what would you recommend as a few of his better recordings?
All the best,
Terry
Smithers, BC.
I Agree - good selections.
We Get Requests was one I recommended as well :thumb: - always play it at audio shows.
Just sitting here listening to some vinyl and thinking how gorgeous my Rosewood Model T's are.
That's it...time to flip the lp over :green:
Hi James,
Just ordered a pair of Model Ts and TC-1 center channel to hook up in my brother's home theatre room. I noticed in your pictures that you use the Model T subs with the Model Ts in one of your rooms. Since the Model T is flat to 25hz, what do you use as a crossover point? Or do you use the subs just for the LFE channel? Thanks.
Ralph
Perfect. Just what I needed to know. Ordered them in Boston Cherry from Audio Advisor yesterday. Tim Hahn there was very helpful and knowledgeable for those of you who don't have a dealer nearby. We both can't wait for them to arrive. Thanks for your help.
Ralph
HI James,
I'm having (had) difficulties on several speakers, not to mention my current and new ESL's (which i will be taking back to the manufacturer) on recordings by the Tallis Scholars. Not grand orchestral, not full scale Opera or big rock recordings, but very intimate 8 voice a capella choir settings of renaissance music... Turned up to 13 o clock on the BP26, not a very loud recording.
That being said, the speakers tend to distort horrifically on passages where the 2 (!) sopranos tend to take focus, and apparently that is very tough on the speakers. Had it on quite a few recordings, but their last Taverner disc http://www.gimell.com/recording-missa-corona-spinea-and-dum-transisset-sabbatum-i---ii.aspx is very demonstrative.
At first i thought it might be the download (always buy Studio Masters, in this case the 24 bit 172khz) the BDP or the BDA1 that could handle it. Therefore I also ordered the CD. Though that does sound better quite a bit (still love my BCD1) than playing it on the BDP1, even there the passages are not very comfortable.
Long story short: would it be in anyway possible for you to test this recording on the Model T's to see how they fare. Would be a very big plus on the Bucketlist.... Finally here the Tallis Scholars live size in my auditorium, and not being afraid of to much power to damage the sound or the speakers...
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
Yes I have owned all the Quads over the years and I agree their abilities on micro dynamics are superb but macro dynamics are not their forte.
The Model T's will accept HUGE amounts of power without distortion. Here is a graph that Soundstage did during a review of the Model T's in an anechoic chamber showing just that. The bottom line is the frequency response at 90DB and that is usually the amplitude the magazines test speakers at. If it looks good then then try at 95dB to see if there is any variance or breakup due to amplitude distortion. They told me with the model T they kept going all the way up to 110dB. As you can see no change in the frequency response which is indicative of a speaker that can play at real world levels with very low distortion.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133142)
Ultimately you have to move air at low distortion to approach real world dynamics - the Bryston speakers are designed to do just that.
james
HI James,
I'm having (had) difficulties on several speakers, not to mention my current and new ESL's (which i will be taking back to the manufacturer) on recordings by the Tallis Scholars. Not grand orchestral, not full scale Opera or big rock recordings, but very intimate 8 voice a capella choir settings of renaissance music... Turned up to 13 o clock on the BP26, not a very loud recording.
That being said, the speakers tend to distort horrifically on passages where the 2 (!) sopranos tend to take focus, and apparently that is very tough on the speakers. Had it on quite a few recordings, but their last Taverner disc http://www.gimell.com/recording-missa-corona-spinea-and-dum-transisset-sabbatum-i---ii.aspx is very demonstrative.
At first i thought it might be the download (always buy Studio Masters, in this case the 24 bit 172khz) the BDP or the BDA1 that could handle it. Therefore I also ordered the CD. Though that does sound better quite a bit (still love my BCD1) than playing it on the BDP1, even there the passages are not very comfortable.
Long story short: would it be in anyway possible for you to test this recording on the Model T's to see how they fare. Would be a very big plus on the Bucketlist.... Finally here the Tallis Scholars live size in my auditorium, and not being afraid of to much power to damage the sound or the speakers...
Cheers,
Marius
Hey, just a thought, Mr. Tanner. There's a business in Saskatoon, SBC Case that makes various road cases. Maybe you can have custom speaker cases made with handles and caster wheels that you can give to dealers to re-package speakers, then deliver to customer. The customer can than give you the cases back once unpacked.
I had some difficulty moving the boxes without handles, so I used straps but they didn't stay in place and the box almost slid all the way down the stairs. I didn't want to chance moving speakers without the boxes down stairs and risk cosmetic damage.
Those boxes above would only fit through a standard door sideways. And could be difficult to maneuver even with a dolly without an extra helping hand. :smoke:
Hey, just a thought, Mr. Tanner. There's a business in Saskatoon, SBC Case that makes various road cases. Maybe you can have custom speaker cases made with handles and caster wheels that you can give to dealers to re-package speakers, then deliver to customer. The customer can than give you the cases back once unpacked.
I had some difficulty moving the boxes without handles, so I used straps but they didn't stay in place and the box almost slid all the way down the stairs. I didn't want to chance moving speakers without the boxes down stairs and risk cosmetic damage.
Those boxes above would only fit through a standard door sideways. And could be difficult to maneuver even with a dolly without an extra helping hand. :smoke:
Hi,
Do the A series employ the same midrange drivers and tweeters as the Model T ? :scratch:
HI Folks,
My new Target Stands with the new Outriggers and Spiked feet on my A1-Mini Speakers:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136527)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136528)
Hi James
What's the build time for the model T?
Waiting patiently for my Walnut Model T :thumb:
Hi bud
Sorry it has taken so long but walnut is a special finish - please bear with us.
James
No that's Rosewood - the 2 pair of Walnut are on the right. :thumb:
james
James,
How are those beautiful Walnut Model Ts coming along?
Hi James,
Any chance that the black Mini T's shown in the finishing booth are headed to Audio Advisor in Grand Rapids?
Hi James,
Any chance that the black Mini T's shown in the finishing booth are headed to Audio Advisor in Grand Rapids?
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A3 Speaker – Distributor Comments
March 2016
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138319)
Hi James,
Three (3) wonderful products arrived at PMC from Bryston recently.
We’ve just run up the Bryston A3 speakers and we’re really excited. They sound great and they offer a lot of performance for the money.
The Cubed amps are amazing. So much smoother, greater depth and height information. It all sounds so much more “real” A big thank you to whoever came up with this improvement. We are measuring substantially lower THD at high frequencies (always a good sign) and the common mode rejection of the balanced inputs is almost 20dB better……incredible results!
The BDA-3 blows the BDA-2 out of the game. So much more detail, smoother and well-judged overall balance.
Thank you,
Peter Thomas
Managing Director
Hi James,
It's being a while, about 5 months (close to 2000 hours) now since getting my model T Signatures. I would like to share my thoughts on how they sound against my (EDIT) on 2 channel music.
I have a very difficult room, in a basement. It's 16x16 foot with, a 7 foot 2" suspended ceiling. I have done major work on the room trying to make it more speaker friendly. It has major sound proofing, double dry wall with green glue in between, acoustic paneling, and bass traps in the corners. For my front end, I am using a high end Esoteric CD player, Esoteric preamp and Esoteric 2 channel amp. Over the past 6 years i have been lucky enough to own/test a variety of (edit) speakers. Certain (edit) speakers like the (edit) sounded great in my friends houses, but not so good in mine.
In My room, the (edit) are very detailed/transparent, providing a 3D soundstage on good recordings. They reveal all the good and bad in recordings. Unfortunately much of the not so good recordings become irritating on the (edit). Even average recordings would be ok for a limited listening time. But, good recordings were just outstanding. In my room the (edit) always sounded a bit too lean with not enough bass. The only way to get enough bass was to run a 10" sub with them. But I did not like how the sub sounded with the (eit). I have had a number of people over to try and figure out how to fix my bass problem. Everyone was at a loss. Even my dealer came over and could not believe what he was hearing. We finally narrowed it down to a a major floor bounce suck out in the 60-80 Hz range. James you had explained this phenomenon in the Bryston loudspeaker thread on speakers with a single bass driver. I had also tried a number of high end cables/and mid range cables, to aid in taming them. My best taming the top end, came with using a pair of Manley Snapper tube amps. But, the Bass was still lacking.
I had heard the Model T Passive version when they first came out. I did like the bass/midrange, but thought the top end was lacking the detail I wanted. So I continued to look. A few years later and a few more (edit) models, I decided they weren't the speaker for my room. Knowing that Bryston had changed the tweeters, I decided to give the Model T Signatures a go this time. The outboard crossover would provide me with numerous cable tweaking opportunities, to each individual driver, plus the option to go fully active in the future.
I ran the speakers for up to 10-15 hours a day at different volume levels. I took about 120 hours before the bass started to loosen up. The high end seemed a bit congested up to about the 175 hour mark, and then slowly more detail began to emerge. The speakers started to sound good around the 250 hour mark. The first thing I noticed was how much fuller (a bit too much) and warmer the model T sounded in my room. They seemed to fill the room completely. I finally had the bass I was lacking, but it was a bit loose. They still were not as detailed and transparent as my (edit). I invited over a friend who can hear grass grow, to get his opinion We found the cables that worked the best on the (edit) did not sound as good on the Model T's. To bring out more detail and transparency we turned off the up sampling on my esoteric CD player and changed the digital filter option. That made a big difference in the top end detail and openness, but the bass was still a bit loose. So i decided to experiment with speaker cable options. I ended up with running DH labs Q10 silver Sonic bi-wired in to the crossovers (bass and mid) with a q10 jumper from the mid to high, and then Q10 out of the crossover in each binding post on the speakers. This cable opened up the top end more, and also provided a touch more detail, without sounding bright. The bass also tightened up nicely.
What is my Decision?
The (edit) speakers are no doubt very detailed and transparent, but will show all the warts in music. I have heard these in a friend’s house with tube amps and they sounded really great. But in my room they were too bright and fatiguing. Also they use a transmission line bass that some people may not like.
The Model T Signature's (after my adjustments) are still not as detailed and transparent, but now come much closer to the (edit). They have a huge soundstage. They are still fuller and warmer but less so, in a good way, now that I changed the cable to the Q10. There is also zero listening fatigue. I also find you can turn up the volume higher and they do not fall apart. The fullness seems to make average recordings sound better, and bad ones tolerant. I also found these speaker sound much better for surround sound duty (I also have the Model T Center) than my (edit) did. Oh, the bass, did I say I really like the bass on these I no longer even think of adding a sub.
As other people have said, these speakers provide very good bang for the buck. I am comparing them to speakers that cost almost 3 times as much. Are they as good – maybe no, but they sure get very close. In my case the room was the factor, and the Model T's just was a better fit for my listening ear. So, i ended up keeping the Model T's.
Adol290
Hey James
I was looking at the tweeters on my middle T's. I noticed there is a removable metal screen. When I remove this there is a small clear plastic disc in the inside of it. Is that suppose to be there ? And if so, is it for dispersion ?
Also, it's generally regarded that speakers sound best with the grills removed. Does this apply as well for the metal screens over the tweeters ?
James,
Do you have any idea when the active crossover will be available for the Model T Signatures.
James,
Could you comment on the difference in audible performance of the Model T vs the Model T Signature (w/outboard crossover)?
Thanks James,
From my limited audio engineering knowledge (next to nothing) ........... the Model T Sig and the Standard should sound similar under normal playing conditions, but the addition of the new active digital crossover should make a meaningful audible difference.
Active has many advantages over passive systems. I have my Model T's hooked up now at home with the active crossover and the control and resolution is another step forward in performance.
james
HI James,
really liking the way this is going, it is also the reason for my holding back, and deciding buying the model t's should wait till you completely finished designing the full system.
Still, couldn't be more interested in where this is going, please keep us fully informed.
May i ask: Since your setup is most flexible, and you try to cater for upgrading parts in the future with the signature series( active vs passive, external crossover, digital crossover etc etc) wouldn't it be possible to make just one crossover, and supply a switch on it to select either active or passive? Of course i have no idea of the technical consequences/demands, but it would certainly make it easier for the customer to decide and buy. One wouldn't have to try to resell their passive crossover, (and experience a serious disinvestment)and only add amps if one later decides to go the active route.
Would you care to elaborate a bit on the possibilities of the digital crossover vs analog crossover? would we still need a 10bsub for use with an external sub, or do the new crossovers, analog and digital, have the same possibilities as the 10bsub?
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
I did look at some way of being able to implement an internal passive crossover that could be switched out but that was just too complicated and added a lot of extra expense for those that would have no desire to go to an Active setup. So the best option was the Signature version with the ability to upgrade later.
The digital crossover is really excellent - it allows me to really fine tune the frequency response and the sound power interdependently from one another whereas with a passive crossover you have to balance the two together in one operation. I have decided to go with the Digital crossover over the Analog in this case because it gives me much more control over every performance parameter of the speaker - frequency, sound power, phase, etc.
if you want to use a Sub with the Model T Active you would need some way of controlling that crossover point but most subs come with internal crossovers anyway so a 10B would not be needed.
james
Thanks James,
makes things a lot clearer.
I already use the 10bsub as you know. not so much as to control the crossoverpoint for the sub, but most importantly to set that point for my ESL's which can't be fed a lot of powerful (sub)bass, as Rel likes to call it.
Guess the Model T's wouldn't need that kind of treatment, given their ability to play full range on big Spl's :thumb:
looking forward to the unveiling of the BDX then![size=78%]
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[/size]Marius
Finally listened to Bryston speakers today, the Mini T.
I think I might have to buy me a set.
Like them better than the Audio Physic Classics 20s on heavy discount that I was seriously considering.
The Mini T sounds more cohesive, the mids are strangley disjointed on the AP and it really bugged me.
No such problem with the Bryston.
The Brystons aren't anywhere near as pretty but it's the sound that counts.
If I buy I'll get the MR50 (20") stands to go with them.
The stands are a great price, expected them to be much higher. Will probably get the custom top plates too, (even though they are a bit pricey).
One thing I'm not clear about, is Walnut considered a custom (ie extra cost) finish?
10% more for Walnut is worth it IMO, the dealer (HiFi Centre in Vancouver) seemed to think the walnut was "about $1000 more" but that didn't seem right, hence my question.
Maybe he was thinking of the Middle or Model T's.
The standard finishes (Cherry, Boston Cherry etc.) are still real wood, correct?
The speaker is a kickback in many ways, sometimes I think a simple 3 way allows you stay out of design trouble. I kind of like the old school looks, they look like working speakers, nothing with fancy curves and trendy colors. Nice
After living the the mini T's which are not so mini......and finding the right gear, all I can say is Bryston has done it yet again.
We love what we are hearing !
After living the the mini T's which are not so mini......and finding the right gear, all I can say is Bryston has done it yet again.
We love what we are hearing !
Hi oldguy
I have missed you - I know you purchased the Bryston speakers very early on - glad you are enjoying them. :thumb:
james
Hey old guy
the 2 - 7BSST's i bought from you last year are remarkable, I picked up a new BP26 and MPS2 this combo along with your DAC and balanced cables are working out great.
whats your system consist of now ?
HI James,
Just to let you know i had a nice and extensive chat with Mafico the other day, and we've arranged an audition of the Middle T's! Excited about that.
No Model T's available at the moment in NL though. Seems a pity, because the lack of showroom models doesn't help in selling, which in its place doesn't help in getting them over here in showrooms... Buying these Beasts form a webpage and jumping in good faith without an audition on beforehand is kinda contra local customary behavior...
Anyway,
Looking forward to finally hearing some Bryston end to end music!
Cheers,
Marius
Yes please let me know what you think of the Middles. The Model T's and just more of the same and assume a larger space and more dynamic capability.
james
Cool, let the tournament begin:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144577)
(sorry for the orientation, can't get it to rotate clockwise. Or any other direction for that matter.)
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
Those are the Model T's not the Middles.
Anxious to hear what you have to say. How large is your room?
james
Yep, i know ;-)
Mafico just delivered their show model.
My room is big enough, at least to accommodate pedal F0 straight. http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html
Pedal C0 is felt though, always begin listening to Simon Preston's grand rendering of the Bach's Toccata & Fugue in C.
Tough weekend ahead!
Let me please ask to be sure: do i have to take out the 10bsub completely, or can i just turn its high-pass filter all the way down, to let the Model T's get the full signal.
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
You would have to take it out as you can only turn it down to 40 Hz. Try it both ways and see what you think because you have probably set up the rooms bass response based on the sub in the system
James
Thanks James, done.
Now how to control those oozing basses ;)
btw, test tone 200-20hz makes a rather noisy sound at the back of the T's, out of the bass ports. A) should that happen, and b) is there a way to control that?
Cheers,
Marius
Marius
Here is a graph of what happens as you stuff each port.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144594)
james
That's the only thing holding me back from the Mini T's: the bass output.
Sounded great in one showroom in Vancouver, not so good at another dealer in the Seattle area.
Too much bass at the latter with two different amps in two different rooms.
My room won't allow me to place them 3 to 4 feet from the wall
Hi Folks,Hi James,
Yes the Mini T's are capable of a true 33Hz and if you have to place them close to a wall - say 1 foot or so then using the port stuffer will help if you get too much low end
james
Hi James,
Do you have a similar graph showing the plugged and unplugged response of the mini t?
That is just what I'm looking for.
Thanks.
Dave
Hi James,
Do you have a similar graph showing the plugged and unplugged response of the mini t?
That is just what I'm looking for.
Thanks.
Dave
That's the only thing holding me back from the Mini T's: the bass output.
Sounded great in one showroom in Vancouver, not so good at another dealer in the Seattle area.
Too much bass at the latter with two different amps in two different rooms.
My room won't allow me to place them 3 to 4 feet from the wall
Stuffing the ports sounds like a viable option for me.
I did the same when demo'ing the KEF R700 using the supplied plugs and the differerence though subtle was noticable.
Do the Mini T's come with foam plugs?
My room is a challenge, almost square at 13ft x 13.5ft and perhaps a bit too "live".
I just wish my local dealer would allow an in-home demo....
Hi Yitshak
The Middle T is in fact a floor standing version of the Mini T. The advantage of the Middle T is you have two bass drivers which means less distortion at very high sound levels. The Middle T does not go any lower than the Mini T because when you add the second woofer the cabinet size has to increase to provide the same low output as one driver in a smaller cabinet.
If you want lower bass than the Mini or the Middle you have to go to the Model T's.
james
Hi Marius
Those are the Model T's not the Middles.
Anxious to hear what you have to say. How large is your room?
james
For James or anyone withAxiom speakers. Ive wondered for years how big of a bang is Axio compared to Bryston. Because Axiom looks like a darn good company with very good product.
Bryston and Axiom Speaker Product Differences
CROSSOVERS:
Every crossover is designed and manufactured in-house specifically for the model it is used in. In the case of the Model T you have the choice between an internal crossover, a high powered external crossover, or an external active DSP crossover.
James Tanner
V/P Bryston
HI James,
Now, i noticed some downs too, unfortunately:
- the Basses are way too dominant, and not very well defined for that matter, sometimes plain muddy. I've done some heavy stuffing at the back ports, even closed them completely. I was surprised the basses were so prominent, in a rather unnatural way. I missed the option of the 10bsub here. Would have thought a full range speaker like the Model T's didn't need extra care in balancing.
Hope im still allowed on AC after this...
Still, Cheers!
Marius
Hi James, on page 1 of the Making of Bryston Model T loudspeakers, you said that part of the advantage to working with Axiom was being able to design and manufacture your own drivers. I bought Mini T's recently, and out of curiosity I googled the number printed around the midrange driver. Up came Zhejiang Innuovo speakers China. Have the drivers always been sourced from China or was this a transition?
Does this mean the midrange drivers are made in China or just the baskets with the drivers assembled here?
Hi James,
Williams2 was kind enough to direct me here from avsforums and I thought I should tell you I'm quite looking forward to taking delivery of my T On Walls soon. As far as installation goes should I set them up with any toe-in or mount them flat? They will be almost 7 feet apart from center and my listening distance is 11 ft. I'm looking to replace my center channel some time in the New Year and wanted to know if the AC-1 Mini would be a better match for the TOWs. I'm running these off an Onkyo TX-NR646 for now but once the dedicated home theatre is in place will be running separates.
FWIW, I really like the new grilles on the T in the photos.
Will they will work on existing Model T....any pricing yet?
...first impression is that i would go for the older design :scratch:
James,
Are the amps built in to the speaker or external?
James,
What are these "Custom Bryston three channel amplifiers".
Are they made just for the dealer, or can they be ordered.
Also Specs on them.
Hi
I wanted to have a dedicated 3 channel amplifier for the new Active Model T's so I am building an amplifier which will be the size of a current 14B.
One side will be a 7B channel and the other side will be two 4B channels. The rear panel will have 3 Balanced and single ended inputs and 3 sets of 5-way binding posts out and will be labelled Woofer/Mid/Tweeter.
james
So you would need 2 of these.
That would mean the cost would be around 20K just for the two amplifiers. :o
Plus the cost of the active crossover...
James,
Can the BAX 3-way Active Digital Crossover be ordered now.
What is the retail price?
Will there be a program to trade in our external crossovers...
Yes plus the Model T speakers would put a state of the art active system at about $30,000 - a bargin !!!
Bargain is relative, but $30k is 5-10x less than some of the "statement" speakers that the various audio magazines reported on at CES!
I am considering either the A2 or Middle T speakers. What are the sound differences between these different models?
My room is 11 feet by 16 feet by 8 feet. Which speaker would be more appropriate?
... but the Middle T will go lower ...
James, thanks for your reply.
I listen to all types of music and do not play loud.
Do both the A and T models use the same tweeters and mid-range drivers?
My small room will not get overloaded by too much bass or sound boomy with either speaker?
But your room is about 1/2 the size of mine. So knowing the kind of bass the 8" driver puts out, IMO I'd opt for the A2 with the smaller drivers, which should be more articulate.
James, thanks for your reply.
I listen to all types of music and do not play loud.
Do both the A and T models use the same tweeters and mid-range drivers?
My small room will not get overloaded by too much bass or sound boomy with either speaker?
James,
I have at home a nice pair of Mini Tz (walnut) on MR60.
I'm using as of now a 4b3 but I'm considering the 7b3s...
What you think?
I have seen on page 123 or 124 a nice setup with the Mini Tz and the the 7b3...
Hi Christo
I use the 7B's with the Mini T's at audio shows and its a great combination. How big is your room?
james
Not the greatest. It is dedicated but I would say 10x11 with 9' ceilling.
Unless you suggest otherwise, after reading a few things on the weekend, I have the impression now that the 4b3 is probably more suitable considering the room factor...
Hi James,
It was nice talking to you at the Salon Audio de Montréal. Your demo room, the Model T with the active crossover was awesome. IMO the best sound of all the rooms and by far ! Congratulations !
jc
Hi James, I am seriously considering a purchase of one pair of Model T signature for a room sized 16x13x8. Given the smaller size of my room will it be a good fit? Also, my other equipment in the set up are: McIntosh MC452 amp with 2 x 450w capability. Is that enough power to drive the Model T's? My preamp is McIntosh C52 and Turntable is Clearaudio Ovation with Universal tonearm and Lyra DeLos cart. My CD/SACD player is Oppo BDP 105D. Will this equipment and Model T go well together? Thanks in advance for your help with this! Wahid Ullah
Hi James,
I just purchased a Bryston AC1 Micro center channel (and probably soon to be a pair of Mini A's as well) and had a couple questions about it. Firstly, I was just curious how long of a break-in period you recommend until it's at it's final sound? And secondly, the AC1 Micro is a larger sized center channel with a bit larger size drivers than I am currently using, yet the AC1 Micro is only rated down to 95Hz while my smaller center is good down to 75-80Hz. Would the AC1 Micro not be able to be crossed over at 80Hz in my receiver like I use now with my current, smaller center channel?
P.S. FANTASTIC speakers by the way!!
Thanks for any advice you can give,
Rider.
Hi Rider
I would say about 30- 50 hours generally for break-in.
Sure you can crossover at 80Hz. The crossover recommendation is just a guide so the there is some leeway available.
I agree its a superb speaker and when you get the Mini A's it is a great match with a soundstage to die for :thumb:
james
In that size a room I would agree - sitck with the 4B.
james
Thanks James.
I kept my 4b3 but changed my BP17 for a BP26... ;)
Now I'm looking at upgrading my MINI Ts for your MODEL Ts or MIDDLE Ts.
I would however prefer the MODEL Ts...
Room as I wrote earlier is 10x11 with 9' ceiling. Two questions:
1- Would the MODEL Ts be too big? And what about the standoff from the wall considering the "small room"? I read in the previous pages "a couple of feet"... I have acoustic panels that I could relocated if needed...
2- Tweeters at ear level... with the Middle Ts, Tweeters would be just perfect for my seating position. But with the MODEL Ts, Tweeters will be higher than ear level. What you think?
Great actually. You guys did a great job with that series.
MR60 however were I would say 6 inches to high.
MR50 might have been better.
MIDDLE Ts have that 6 inches less right out the box.
Alright.
I'm also using the long wall and I’m indeed at approx 6-7 feet from the drivers.
Just in case, I will make certain to ask for the PORT PLUGS.
And will play with my acoustic panels (absorption) setup.
Bottom line and if I read you well, you don’t see any problem going big with the MODEL T right?
Hi
I'm the proud owner of a pair of A2. For a center channel which one is better for a tone match with the A2. The Ac1 mini or the Ac1 micro ?
Thanks
Yves
Thanks Mr. Tanner for your quick response. I like my A2 very much. Good base, large sound stage.I really enjoy them!
Yves
James,
I have just started getting serious about two channel audio after several years of being sidetracked by home theater (now HT system is complete 7.2.4). I have been reading so many Bryston threads and reviews that it's all starting to blur.
Two quick questions. Will the Middle T be available active (nice name as I did polyoma virus research in grad school and the middle T gene was part of my dissertation)? Second, will Bryston be at Captal Audiofest this year?
Thanks,
Steve
Hi Steve
Yes we have had some demand for a Middle T Active and we just finished this last week writing the software for the Middle T in the anechoic chamber for the BAX crossover.
We are in Munich next week and LA the week (with the debut of the Active Middle T) then Rocky Mountain and Toronto in October.
james
Thanks James, I think I will try to make AXPONA next year. An active Middle T could be one sweet speaker!
Hi
Yes until you hear what a good Active system can do you do not know what your missing :thumb:
james
Hi
Yes until you hear what a good Active system can do you do not know what your missing :thumb:
james
Three active Middle T's with four active Mini T's would be incredible. :o
James,
Will there be an active Mini T in the future?
HI
I am thinking about it depending on how things go with the Model T and Middle Active versions.
james
After all this time, all the accolades and all the research, I finally pulled the trigger on a new pair of Mini T speakers this afternoon.
THey received the wife's seal of approval from an aesthetic point of view. Looking forward to receiving them soon.
Hi James, I'm curious...
Is it possible to purchase a single Mini A bookshelf speaker to use as a center channel?
Yes that is doable.
james
That's great James, thanks! One other question for you, kind of a strange one so bear with me...
Would there be any downside or negative effects to using the Mini A (as a center channel) upside down so that the tweeter is at the bottom and the 6.5" driver is at the top?
The reason is that I have my center channel mounted above the TV, and setting the Mini A upright on top of the screen will put the tweeter a fair distance above the screen. Setting the speaker upside down would bring the Tweeter much closer and have less disconnect from the image on-screen.
Hi Rider
No problem at all reversing the speaker position. All Bryston speakers are designed to have excellent on and off axis dispersion so that allows for great flexibility in placement. In fact some customers have even used the Mini A in a horizontal position.
james
Hello James,
I would like to know if Bryston speakers A2 have similar problems as Revel F206, as it was mentioned here:
>>The Revels don’t lose control but mandate attention of their distance from the seat. They should be at least 2.5m away and preferably more than 3 meters. Only then do all these drivers cohere to stop telegraphing separately. With proper positioning it’s then difficult to identify the crossover points between drivers.""
My distance of speakers from the seats is 2,5 m in my room.
I would very appreciate if you help me as I have no ability to try it at home and listen it live.
I am using a Parasound A21 250 watts per channel , 400 at 4 ohms,amp with my Mini t's. I have an opportunity to trade in for a new McIntosh 152 amp that delivers 150 per channel regardless of 2, 4, or 8 ohms load. Would this work with the speakers or is it better to keep the A21?
I like that stand. Visually they go well together.
The Axiom drivers are all excellent in design and are all custom to Axiom speakers. I looked around a lot for a partner on this and I was mighty impressed with the Axiom company and the science behind there loudspeakers (they even have their own Anechoic Chamber in the factory). Also the engineer behind a lot of the Mirage products (API) is now one of the designers at Axiom and I am working with him on this project.
The comments are indicative though of how people just dismiss a product like Axiom because it does not appear to cost enough. I can tell you the M80 - which I have in my room now is one hell of a speaker. :thumb:
james
James someone asked me what drivers you were using in all of your speakers, so it is Axiom for mids, tweeters and woofer
Run...don't walk to your nearest dealer and pick up a pair of Mini-T speakers. :thumb:
I am truly amazed at how good these speakers are. There is NOTHING anywhere near their price point that comes close, IMHO.
hi james
what's the best way to order the MR60 stands?.... I'm in New Brunswick.
Thanks T.
HiJames, Are you using an older series of Mini-t? The midrange & tweeter look different.
Yes the MR series - heres a better shot of my pair:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166696)
James, Are you using an older series of Mini-t? The midrange & tweeter look different.
James, do you have any pictures handy of the Mini T in gloss white on the new stands? Cheers, TJ
Hi James, I have been considering a pair of model t to run in conjunction with a pair of Funk Audio subs, I run a 100hz 6 db high pass into my mains. I was a little surprised to see the bass drivers are crossed at 160hz on the model t, which would give the model t’s three bass drivers a small operating window (60hz +). My current 3 way speakers utilize a 400hz crossover point and I hear a good amount of tactile lower mid bass coming from the bass drivers, I am concerned that I would loose this with the model t. Why is the crossover point so low? I recall seeing that you were running subs in your personal model t setup, any feedback is appreciated. Thanks
BP
Hi James, I am trying to visualize the cross over slopes that you are describing, do you have a graph showing the cross over slopes? Are the bass drivers limited by a low pass crossover or do they run wide open?
Thanks
James, Can I see the crossover slopes to understand how the mid and bass drivers interact?
James,
I don’t have nearly as elegant a system as that above, but I wanted to add my thanks and praise for developing such great products. I just bought a pair of Mini T’s from Audio Alternative in Ft. Collins, Colorado. I’ve had them for a week now and all I can say is, “WOW!” They replaced speakers I’ve had for 20 years. I thought I knew my music collection, but these speakers really bring out elements I’ve not heard before. They complete an almost all-Bryston system: BDP-1, BDA-1, BIT 15, 4BSST2, and a BP-26 and MPS-2. I think it’s a pretty good system! Most people who I’ve played something for agree. The most common reaction has been, “You’ve got to be kidding!” Thanks again.
Terry
White Maple.
I think I like the white maple too, if those are the ones in the bottom picture.
Hi James
Where are the crossovers located in the passive model T? I would assume the individual driver units are wired in series then to the internal crossover? Do you have any pictures of the internal crossover?
Thanks
What happens if you have to replace a crossover in a Model T?
James,
any news about your T-Rex project??
thanks,
al.
Hi James. I am running dual 4BSST2 in bridge mono, any concerns driving the model T’a at a 4ohm load ?
James
What is the Canadian MSRP on the TOW On Wall and Mini A in black?
Thanks
Hi James. I am running dual 4BSST2 in bridge mono, any concerns driving the model T’a at a 4ohm load ?
Hi James,
Is it safe for the amps if I run 2.5BSST2 bridged into Mini T's 4 ohm load?
Thanks.
Hi!
I know it has been said before (can't find the page), but I was wondering if the woofer in the Bryston Mini-T is working full range.
I plan on doing horizontal biamplification with them as I have 2 of the same power amplifier, but they can't be bridged.
Also, I will start with passive biamplification, but is there a "recommanded" way if I wan't to add an active crossover (like the 10B-STD) to the speakers?
Thanks!
Jay
Jay5150
See reply #2596 :D what you are looking for ?
R.Jan
See reply #2596 :D
R.Jan
Thanks James and thanks jaybill. That was the post I was looking for!I just started vertically bi-amping my Mini-T's with two 2.5BSST2 amps and it sounds great! Tighter, punchier bass, more mid-range clarity and depth, and overall clearer sound. My favorite word to describe the Mini-T's is vivid.
Love my Mini Ts. The result with vertical biamplification is quite impressive. Seems to add more depth to the sound and to let the speakers breath even more. :D
I just started vertically bi-amping my Mini-T's with two 2.5BSST2 amps and it sounds great! Tighter, punchier bass, more mid-range clarity and depth, and overall clearer sound. My favorite word to describe the Mini-T's is vivid.
I agree 100% with you. Those speakers are quite forward sounding, but they sound so lively and balanced. And your experience with vertical bi-amping reflects mine. More depth, more punch, clearer bass. Everything sounds easier.I find the 2.5BSST2 amps neutral in character. They don't favor any particular area. Treble and midrange are smooth, clear and without glare and the bass is tight. I originally was using a Hafler 9500 amp which is much more powerful @ 375 WPC into 4 ohms. The Hafler had great control, imaged well but was darker and a little grainier. It was also 20+ years old. I've never heard Quad amps so I don't know how they would compare to Bryston. I do know that I can and do sometimes listen for hours without fatigue.
How do you like the 2.5BSST2 with your Mini T? Haven't heard them with a Bryston amp yet. I was afraid the result might have been a little bright for my taste.
Note that I just changed my setup for 2 Quad 909 amplifier to warm the sound. It feels so much smoother and easier to listen than with my previous amplifier.
Thanks tj-sully,i was not aware this is where my feedback would go.a buddy called me to tell me,so I joined the circle. lots of info here I see
Thanks tj-sully,i was not aware this is where my feedback would go.a buddy called me to tell me,so I joined the circle. lots of info here I see
How do you like the 2.5BSST2 with your Mini T? Haven't heard them with a Bryston amp yet. I was afraid the result might have been a little bright for my taste.
Note that I just changed my setup for 2 Quad 909 amplifier to warm the sound. It feels so much smoother and easier to listen than with my previous amplifier.
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Our Norway Distributor – Congratulations!
March 2018
Hi Folks,
Bryston would like to formally offer our sincere congratulations to one of our Distributors.
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T.A.A.IMPORT AS in Norway has now sold significant numbers of Bryston loudspeakers in their market area.
NORWAY
T.AA.IMPORT AS
Email: BOAHS@online.no
By my reckoning, using the new math, given the population of Norway and the number of speakers sold I would say 1 in 3 people living in Norway now own Bryston speakers.
Thank you folks and all those involved ... we truly appreciate your efforts on our behalf!
James Tanner
V/P Bryston Ltd.
Hi James,
I was wondering what would be the best way to add a Mini T Subwoofer to my Mini T speakers. The preamp I use has only 1 stereo output (going to the amp and them to the Mini T speakers). I see the Mini T Subwoofer only has a "mono" input. Is there a reason why you didn't make it stereo so we can use its internal crossover before sending the signal to the mains amplifier?
Also, would it be ok to place the Mini T speakers on a pair of Mini T Subwoofer (in a 2.2 system)? The height would be perferct and it would make it look like a floorstanding speakers without taking to much space in the room.
Thanks!
James: How do I find out which generation tweeters are in my Model T’s? Serial numbers are 44167111510101SR Right and 44167111510001SR Left.
Thanks,
Steve
Hi James,
I used to own a pair of Mini T's and loved them. I traded them in for another brand (ATC) in an attempt to gain more midrange depth...if that makes any sense. Anyway, i've been missing the Mini's lately.
I am intrigued by the Model A's.
How would you compare the Mini T's to the Model A's in terms of soundstage, bass response, and SPL?
And...do they come in white?
Thanks as always,
TJ
Hi TJ
The Model A1's and A2's will play with greater SPL with less distortion than the Mini T's due to the double mids and tweets. Doubling up on drivers makes a huge difference when it comes to the ability to create real world dynamics.
Bass response will be similar with the A1's having a bit more low end capability than the Mini T's.
Sound stage is excellent on the A's due to the very small baffle so it might give the edge to the A Series when it comes to out of the box soundstage capability.
james
Hi James
I just purchased a pair of Bryston Model A1's - and after only 2 listening sessions - all I can say is WOW! These babies are the real deal. Effortless power. Will write more once they get settled into my room and i finish tweaking placement, etc... but super happy so far!
back to an all-bryston system once again - from source to speakers!! Love it :)
TJ
ps. try listening to "Burn One Down" from Ben Harper's Live from Mars album. The percussion / drums are so freeking real it's unbelievable. Give 'er a go!
Don't have that one, I've been listening to Sade (smooth jazz) lately on Youtube. I find her music to be audiophile quality and really shows off my $40,000 Bryston stereo system. :inlove:
Mag - not sure if part of your Bryston system includes a Digital Player and DAC - but if it does - I'd recommend getting setup with Tidal/Roon. You'll have access to essentially unlimited musical selections - and at CD resolution (minimum). I believe to be very good value for the money. :thumb:
Mag - not sure if part of your Bryston system includes a Digital Player and DAC - but if it does - I'd recommend getting setup with Tidal/Roon. You'll have access to essentially unlimited musical selections - and at CD resolution (minimum). I believe to be very good value for the money. :thumb:
you tube on a 40,000 dollar system... :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
James, is this offer for speakers only? I'm thinking about the bcd-3.
Hi James,
Now that the Vinyl finishes have been replaced with real wood veneer's, what is the current Canadian retail price on a pair of the Mini A's, and the AC1 Micro center channel??
Thanks!
Hi Rider 20
$1600 the pair and $660
james
James, is the Bryston 20 yr warranty on speakers transferrable if the buyer get the original recite from the seller? Thanks.
No sorry just the first buyer.
james
Hi Folks,
Just playing around with some ideas for setup in RM 2
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Hi James. Is Murphy Oil Soap a suitable product to use on Mini T speakers cherry wood veneer?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Hi Folks,
Mini A speakers in White Oak and White Maple - preference?
james
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The Vinnie Rossi Lio integrated uses and AVC tube stage and the mosfet amp module outputs 25 watts. I usually play music at low to medium levels. I had the Mini A's 4 years ago with my bigger Parasound gear but then moved on to the Mini t's. I have since decided to simplify and go smaller. I used the LIO with Harbeth 7's and since went smaller to the Harbeth P3 ESR SE's. Great gear, great sound but I do remember the fun I had with the Mini A's and the white looks soooo damn beautiful. The dealer has also listed several of Mini A's in various wood finishes. ..White, Walnut, Natural Cherry on Audiogon.
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9hebi-bryston-mini-a-white-full-range
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9hbd6-bryston-mini-a-light-cherry-full-range
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9hbd5-bryston-mini-a-walnut-full-range
Update. My offer of 900 plus shipping was accepted!!!!
James,
Bryston doesn‘t offer port plugs for any type of their speakers.
Why?
Thanx,
al.
...ah, ok! then i was wrong. it was just a thought because they are not to find on Bryston‘s website.
however, nice to know :thumb: so please allow me one question: how would a Middle T sound like with the plugs?
al.
Not to derail,is Bryston still shipping if acustomer places an order or are we held up for awhile.
Thanks James,
Is it possible to have a manual on the Bryfi-2 on here.
Curious as it does have mute and vol on the cabinet,can a person control vol from ph or IPad,
Thx
If it’s a month for delivery then I still have some summer left 8)
James,
What is the backlog in Mini T and Mini A passive speakers?
George
James,
What are the options now with the MODEL Ts?
Passive and Active.
Is the passive can now be upgraded to active down the road?
Back a few years ago you needed the Signature with external Xovers to do so...
When you order a pair, do you need to specify.
I have 28b3 at home but would still like to keep options...
Is Walnut a standard color?
Ok. Thanks.
So the passive can now be turned into an active?
All backplate?
No more externally Xovers?
What could make me want one of your Sigs?
Is their any advantage?
Hi Al
Yes we do - in fact they come with the speakers.
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Here is what they do at the low end as you add them on the Model T
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The Boston Cherry Mini T speakers came a couple of weeks ago.
I hooked them up to a B60R integrated amp. for few days, then tried them with my main system (BP17c; BCD-3 CD spinner; Magnum Dynalab FM Tuner; 4Bc amplifier.) They certainly did Not sound "mini," but gave my Thiel 2.7 primary speakers a run for their money at low to moderate volumes.
I now have them hooked to a B135c integrated amplifier - - and the sound is superb! Neutral throughout the spectrum and capability of increased volume in my office / library. IMO, the Mini T and B135c pair were made for each other.
It's probably my room dimensions, but I had no immediate discernible difference in mid and lower bass responsebetween leaving the ports open or stuffing them with rolled-up socks.
George
Hi,
Is Moon Audio the best place to buy Bryston speakers if you don’t have a dealer in your area?
James,
Thank you! One other question, is the TC-1 Mini actually 16.5” deep? It looks more square in the photos and says it’s 10.5” tall.
James,
Ah that makes sense now. Is it possible for the speaker to be slightly tilted up (if placing lower than ideal) if leaned back or is it too front heavy?
James,
How would the AC-1 Mini pair sonically with the Middle T towers?
Hi James
Which Stands are those with the Mini A’s?
What Source and Amps ?
James
Will the new partnership of Axiom and Bryston mean new Speaker models in the works?
James,
How would the AC-1 Mini pair sonically with the Middle T towers?
Hi
Yes it is a perfect match as it has the exact same driver compliment.
james
How well would the AC1 Center timbre match with the Model T?
Is the AC1's frequency response 25Hz-20kHz ±3dB as per the posted specs?
https://bryston.com/passive/a-centers/ (https://bryston.com/passive/a-centers/)
Thanks
No I would not recommend the AC-1 for a Center unless most of your listening is to Stereo. The AC-1 uses 6 1/2 inch woofers whereas the Model T uses 8 inch woofers. So the power handling on the TC-1 center is a much better fit.
james
I am 70% Stereo 30% Movies. I am currently using an AC1 Micro but I would like to re-purpose it to another room with Mini A's. My Front Wides are Mini A's and Rear are On Walls.
I assumed the AC1 Center would be a better fit since it would compliment my surrounds.
Thoughts??
Thanks
:o wow. Its more than a surprise to see my listening room all the way here. :thumb:
I am the happy bunny!
Dear James,
Thank you. I am loving the Mini Ts. It is a real jump in quality from the previous resident Harbeth Compact 7 and Buchardt S400. I love the scale and resolution. It has totally transformed my listening room. Just a couple of questions in terms of recommendations for fine tuning.
The pair I bought was a demo pair as it was the last pair in Walnut and I got it together with the stands. I really wanted the walnut as opposed to the rosewood. I noticed that the new Mini Ts have a mesh over the tweeters. Are they still the same tweeters as my unit?
In so far as the stands, should I get it filled up with sand?
Thank you. Its an amazing pair of speakers.
BTW, I am also amazed how easily my B60 (which is more than 20 years old) was repaired when it would not power up after years of abuse. Great service from AV Designs. Its now happily running with a new lease of life in a second a bedroom system.
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Naive a pair of Middle T Active that I’d love to buy the outriggers for, can someone point me to where I can purchase on the US?
I was thinking the crossover might have been integrated onto the speaker terminal jack plate like so many other speakers.
Essentially simplification. One of my Middle Ts had an issue and the trouble shooting to confirm the problem was in fact with the speaker was a bit of a nightmare with the extra amps and crossover.
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I had a look at your system page. I doubt you wouldn't regret going passive with your setup. You got pissed because the troubleshooting strategy was less than perfect. It's over with and now you can get back to listening. If you need something to complain about I would start with those tile floors in your basement, not so much for the reflections but for the sake of your back.
From the Bryston Active Speaker Brochure:
“Any of these three models can also be purchased as a passive model (therefore including an internal crossover and only requiring a traditional 2 channel amplifier) and can be upgraded in the future to a full Active system for simply the cost of the BAX-1 crossover plus the extra amplifier channels.*
* True of loudspeakers produced in 2018 or beyond”
I would confirm with Bryston.
Sorry that was a misprint.
It might be a good idea going forward though as we have had a lot more interest in Active systems lately.
james
From the Bryston Active Speaker Brochure:
“Any of these three models can also be purchased as a passive model (therefore including an internal crossover and only requiring a traditional 2 channel amplifier) and can be upgraded in the future to a full Active system for simply the cost of the BAX-1 crossover plus the extra amplifier channels.*
* True of loudspeakers produced in 2018 or beyond”
I would confirm with Bryston.
Hi all,
Looking for input from passive Model T owners and of course M. Tanner.
I’m currently shopping for true full range speakers to avoid subwoofer(s) if possible. I have a powerful amplifier (Michi S5 and his P5 companion) that is slightly tilt on the warm side of neutral as solid state goes. The combo really packed a punch.
I heard Model T a couple of times in the Bryston room at the Montreal show in the past and I always been really impressed. I’m just concerned about some comments from a professional reviewer that wrote that the T’s lacked sparkle in the highs and ultimate resolution. He also wrote that the T’s didn’t fare well in near field because of the height of the tweeters. My listening position will be an equilateral triangle of about 9 feet.
From memory, I know I would get great natural mids, dynamics and terrific bass with the T’s. But what about resolution, air and details? Decent, good, great?
For reference, I had until recently the Focal Electra 1038 BE. I really liked their resolution and speed but would like more robust low end.
Thanks for any input about my concerns.
Hi all,
Looking for input from passive Model T owners and of course M. Tanner.
I’m currently shopping for true full range speakers to avoid subwoofer(s) if possible. I have a powerful amplifier (Michi S5 and his P5 companion) that is slightly tilt on the warm side of neutral as solid state goes. The combo really packed a punch.
I heard Model T a couple of times in the Bryston room at the Montreal show in the past and I always been really impressed. I’m just concerned about some comments from a professional reviewer that wrote that the T’s lacked sparkle in the highs and ultimate resolution. He also wrote that the T’s didn’t fare well in near field because of the height of the tweeters. My listening position will be an equilateral triangle of about 9 feet.
From memory, I know I would get great natural mids, dynamics and terrific bass with the T’s. But what about resolution, air and details? Decent, good, great?
For reference, I had until recently the Focal Electra 1038 BE. I really liked their resolution and speed but would like more robust low end.
Thanks for any input about my concerns.
Get the Middle T. The right height, bass to 25hz and resolution, air and detail exactly as what you heard from the personal experience listening and not what some 'professional reviewer' claims.I directly compared in my system and with other amplification, the latest version of Reference 3 DeCapo BE with my Mini T’s and the aspect I liked least about the DeCapo was the beryllium tweeter. I found it overly bright and a bit harsh. The DeCapo did the spooky imaging/soundstage thing very well but also did not have the bass weight and punch or overall tonal balance of the Mini T.
Although, to be honest, having listened to the Middle T for quite some time there is this voice in my head that keeps saying beryllium tweeter, beryllium tweeter?
Good luck.
Get the Middle T. The right height, bass to 25hz and resolution, air and detail exactly as what you heard from the personal experience listening and not what some 'professional reviewer' claims.
Although, to be honest, having listened to the Middle T for quite some time there is this voice in my head that keeps saying beryllium tweeter, beryllium tweeter?
Good luck.
Hi Drew - Happy N.Y. to you as well.
It looks like March as we are still playing with different driver layouts and crossover placement.
best
james
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In terms of accuracy it must be right up there, it's just that without some room treatment and a favorable speaker and listening positon and better than average electronics and the highest of the hi-rez recordings ( and the correct humidity level in my room:) ) it just doesn't cut it as being music listener friendly. I admit that this is primarily source material specific for the most part. I just wonder if that's my problem or Bryston's since people are under the impression that speakers with a flat FR are neutral and not being 'voiced' by the manufacturer. Your 'voicing' for the high frequencies just doesn't suit my situation being an average listener with my average sources of listening material.
It's all about compromises for me and I guess your speakers are just too accurate.
Come on - normal rooms - I do not know anyone that has his audio system in a washroom or an anechoic chamber :)
Voiced to what room,I wasn't smart enough to choose the A1's.
Tiled wash room,gymnasium,living room,bedroom,outdoors,anchoic chamber.
IMPOSSIBLE EVERY ROOM Is DIFFERENT,just like people’s opinions.
Neutral works for me and yes my room is treated and yes I have Bryston speakers A1s ect ect.
I think I will pass on this whydontyoumarryit - its not going anywhere and you are entitled to your opinionNot getting involved is as sensible as it gets because there is no right answer. Anyway, I put the Middle Ts on the long wall. A lot less to complain about, still not all they were cracked up to be. Live and learn, eh.
I agree though that there is more marketing than science in the audio business and thats a problem.
james
Sneak peak at the new Bryston Compact T10 speaker.
Post with those dimensions acknowledged with thanks Mr. Tanner. So, Trim but tall. That will be too much for my room but the Compact T10 looks like a real contender.
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Hi James,
Is there the opportunity to listen to the Active T10 Trim or Line speakers in southern Ontario? Any stocking dealers?
Tx Drew
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262863)Hi Mr Tanner,