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The pH of human blood should be slightly alkaline (7.35 to 7.45) above or below these values means illnesses and symptoms, a pH 7 is neutral below 7 is acidic. A pH above 7 is alkaline.
An acid pH can occur due to an acidic diet, emotional stress, accumulation of toxins and or immune reactions to any process that deprives cells of oxygen and other nutrients, the carcinogenic cell dont need oxigene, they eat sugar. The body will try to compensate for acid pH using alkaline minerals. If the diet does not contain enough minerals to compensate, an accumulation of acids in the cells occurs.
An acidic balance will: decrease the body's ability to absorb minerals and other nutrients, decrease energy production in cells, decrease its ability to repair damaged cells, decrease the ability to remove heavy metals, make tumor cells grow and leave the body more susceptible to fatigue and disease. Blood with a pH 6.9 for many hours, which is only slightly acidic, can induce coma and death.
The reason acidosis is most common in our society is mainly the diet, which is very acidic, with products such as meat, eggs and dairy products, and very poor in alkaline products like fresh vegetables. In addition, we eat processed foods that produce acids, such as flour and sugar, and drink acidic drinks such as coffee and soda. We use many drugs, which form acids, and we use artificial sweeteners that are a poison and form many acids. One of the best things we can do to fix a very sour body is to cleanse the diet and lifestyle.
Alkaline foods include: most fruits, green vegetables, peas, seasonings, herbs, seeds and nuts.
Acidic foods include: meat, fish, poultry, eggs, grains, and vegetables.
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ALCALINIZING VEGETABLES
Alfalfa
Barley
Beet Leaves
Beet
Broccoli
Cabbage
Carrot
Cauliflower
Celery
Chard
Chlorella
Cauliflower
Cucumber
Dandelion
Sweet
Edible flowers
Eggplant
Fermented Vegetables
Garlic
Green bean
Pea
Cabbage
Kohlrabi
Lettuce
Mushrooms
Mustard Sheets
Onion
Pea
chili
Pumpkin
Radish
Kohlrabi
Marine vegetables
Spinach
Spirulina
Sprouts
Sweet potato
tomatoes
Cress
ALKALINIZING ORIENTAL VEGETABLES
Daikon
Dandelion root
Kombu
Maitake
Nori
Reishi
Shitake
Umeboshi
Wakame
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ALKALINIZING FRUITS
Apple
Damascus
Avocado
Banana
Red fruits
Blackberry
Melon Cantaloupe
Cherry
Coconut
Blackcurrant
Date
Fig
Grape
Grapefruit
Melon
Lemon
Lime
Melon
Nectarine
Orange
Peach
Pear
Pineapple
Raisins
Raspberry
Rhubarb
Strawberry
Tangerine
Tomato
Tropical fruits
Umeboshi Plum
Watermelon
ALCALINIZING PROTEINS
Almonds
Chestnuts
Millet
Tempeh (fermented)
Tofu (fermented)
Whey Protein Powder (Whey Protein)
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ALKALINIZING SPICES
Chili
Cinnamon
Curry
Ginger
Herbs (all)
Mission
Mustard
Sea salt
Soy sauce
OTHER ALKALINIZERS
Water Antioxidant Alkaline
Apple vinegar
Bee Pollen
Fresh Fruit Juice
Green Leaf Juices
Lecithin grains
Mineral water
Molasses
Probiotic Cultures
Fermented Dairy Products
Vegetable Juices
ALKALINIZING MINERALS
Calcium: pH 12
Cesium: pH 14
Magnesium: pH 9
Potassium: pH 14
Sodium: pH 14
While it may seem that citrus fruits would have an acidifying effect on the body, the citric acid they contain actually has an alkalizing effect on the system.
Note that the tendency of acid or alkaline formation of food has nothing to do with the pH of the food itself. For example, lemon is very acidic, however its products after digestion and assimilation are very alkaline, so lemon is an alkalizing in the body. Likewise, the meat is alkaline before digestion, but it leaves much toxic residues.
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Baking soda/Sodium Bicarbonate.
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For those who live near Mexico here are various videos about alkaline foods; hope this help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS7xgnyr8aY&t=665
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Bottled water with a ph of 8 or higher.
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The human stomach is contains hydrochloric acid, which along with native bacteria, digest the food we eat. If you were to put a drop of saliva on a strip of PH paper, it would show even that is slightly acidic. No "alkaline diet for" me, because I believe you are wrong.
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The human stomach is contains hydrochloric acid, which along with native bacteria, digest the food we eat. If you were to put a drop of saliva on a strip of PH paper, it would show even that is slightly acidic. No "alkaline diet for" me, because I believe you are wrong.
It will depend on each individual person, but saliva is usually on the neutral to alkaline side with a ph of 7 and above.
Those with saliva under ph of 7 usually have some sort of health issues from a illness/defect or poor diet hence why there saliva is acidic....teeth enamel corrodes from acid.....this is also the reason why tooth past companies put baking soda in there products because baking soda is very alkaline.
Too much ph at either end of the spectrum is not very good in the long run....its best to have a NEUTRAL ph or slightly above neutral.
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Nope. Prove it to me by citing a specific reference, or prove it to yourself by putting a drop of saliva on a piece of litmus or pH paper.
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Nope. Prove it to me by citing a specific reference, or prove it to yourself by putting a drop of saliva on a piece of litmus or pH paper.
I dont need to prove anything to you...Do what ever you believe or want.
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pH of saliva easily checked by googling, so no further comment on that one but the pH of the stomach can be 3.5 or lower, so it's quite acid.
There's a heap of work being done currently on gut biota with some strong links showing up between the state of your gut and your mental health. If you can watch this program:
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/catalyst/SC1502H024S00 (http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/catalyst/SC1502H024S00)
and its follow up I think you'll be impressed.
I'm somewhat skeptical of the alkaline diet. I quite understand why bicarbonate is used where excessive acid in the gut is a problem. [bicarb. isn't strictly speaking alkaline. There's a reaction between sodium bicarbonate and any acid eg hydrochloric acid to produce CO2 gas and a salt, in the case of HCl the salt would be sodium chloride, ie common salt].
Taking sodium as an example of a useful alkaline mineral is not a great idea! If you were to swallow sodium, the metal, you'd have a massive and dramatic reaction in your throat and gut producing huge amounts of heat and even flames, large amounts of hydrogen gas and death. There are sodium compounds that are alkaline, notably sodium hydroxide but it's also known as caustic soda which could also cause ... death. Of course common salt is sodium chloride which is neutral and relatively harmless if not overdone and there are many other compounds containing sodium.
Swallowing Potassium could also cause death but my point really is, that the pH given for these elements probably relates to compounds like hyroxides and while Magnesium and Calcium hyroxide are relatively innocuous, the rest aren't.
I notice that quite a few acid substances are listed as being alkalinizing and I'd suggest that to get the pH of blood and other parts of the body away from the digestive tract, to the desirable slightly alkaline level of 7.4 [which is only slightly above the neutral value 7.00] the best approach will be to feed your gut biota a range of foods that keep a balance between the many, many different bacteria with different roles to play in your health.
So, if you can, please take a look at the Catalyst program mentioned above and its follow up. [that's if they're viewable outside Australia??]
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Calcium is the main pH buffer. Other alkaline minerals are important, but as pH buffers they are secondary.
Saliva pH should be 7.4. It is made from interstitial fluid, which bathes tissue cells. The cells must have lower internal pH than outside in order to maintain voltage across the cell membrane. The voltage powers the channels that open to admit nutrients and discard waste. The cell must maintain this voltage to live. If we lower the external pH the cell must dump its alkaline stores to maintain the voltage. This is why urine goes alkaline under stress, cells dump K and Mg. This is why cortisol poops out, adrenals need potassium. As we continue in our modern diet and stressful lifestyle, the saliva (Interstitial fluid) pH falls, and the cell must lower itself further. Eventually, the cell's internal pH falls below the pH required for oxidation of glucose and must resort to fermentation of glucose into ATP leaving a lot of lactic acid to further acidify the cell. This is the death spiral, aka old age. The cell gets more acidic and starts to digest itself, the cell membrane disintegrates, fungus starts growing inside the cell and membrane starts leaking toxins inside which mess with the DNA. uh oh! I find it amazing that the cell is prepared to handle this pH crisis. If you raise the pH, the cell will heal and restore. Many people are operating largely on fermentation now. They are sickly and miserable, but they are alive and think it's just "old age." The heart and brain are always in aerobic respiration, but others can make like a plant and leave. Fermentation was sota when there was no oxygen and only stinky sulfur eating algae living on earth. We still carry that DNA and most old people on standard western diet are using it.
Alternatively, it's just as amazing how well the body can take care of itself when it has enough energy from adequate supply of alkaline minerals to make all the enzymes and hormones and proteins it needs. Look how healthy a child remains for years despite the diet of sugar and american processed cheeze! The calcium stores, inherited from dear old mom keep him going. She on the other hand is sick and miserable after giving birth, and not maintaining her minerals. But once calcium and magnesium are restored to optimum levels, other minerals will come back up also, through improved digestion, better appetite - that is if the minerals are in the food. The minerals are the source of life, and calcium is the king.
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These last two replies [above] sound reasonable, and I will look into them for my own information. The only point I would like to add is that I worked in an analytical chemistry laboratory for many years, and value "finding out for myself" when it comes to the determination of pH. This is easy to do with litmus paper or pH paper.
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What is the source of the original post? It had to come from somewhere. :scratch:
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If the info comes from Kevin Hayden - Truth is Treason, then this is not the person I would take health advise from, but that's just me.
http://www.truthistreason.net/ph-levels-and-cancer-alkaline-and-acidic-foods (http://www.truthistreason.net/ph-levels-and-cancer-alkaline-and-acidic-foods)
My suggestion is eat whatever you want. The human body is extremely resilient and under most circumstances hard to kill, my neighbor lived to be 84 years old on a diet of cheap vodka and cigarettes.
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In addition to normal foods, my current Alkaline diet is:
- Natural oat in grain with milk (leave to soak 2 hours to soften the grain)
- 10 balls of black pepper per day (not ground)
- 5 tablets of brewer's yeast per day
- Vitamin C 1g per day
- Sometimes pear, apple, watermelon and strawberry seeds
- 2 cups of coffee with milk without sugar per day
- 1 serving of goji berry rehydrated with water
- 1 serving of raw quinoa with bread.
- from time to time sodium bicarbonate with water.
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Really. You’d be screwed if you were born 50-100 years ago. Born in the Australian outback. Guam or somoa. It’s not that complicated. As wgh alluded.
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pH of saliva easily checked by googling, so no further comment on that one but the pH of the stomach can be 3.5 or lower, so it's quite acid.
There's a heap of work being done currently on gut biota with some strong links showing up between the state of your gut and your mental health. If you can watch this program:
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/catalyst/SC1502H024S00 (http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/catalyst/SC1502H024S00)
and its follow up I think you'll be impressed.
I'm somewhat skeptical of the alkaline diet. I quite understand why bicarbonate is used where excessive acid in the gut is a problem. [bicarb. isn't strictly speaking alkaline. There's a reaction between sodium bicarbonate and any acid eg hydrochloric acid to produce CO2 gas and a salt, in the case of HCl the salt would be sodium chloride, ie common salt].
Taking sodium as an example of a useful alkaline mineral is not a great idea! If you were to swallow sodium, the metal, you'd have a massive and dramatic reaction in your throat and gut producing huge amounts of heat and even flames, large amounts of hydrogen gas and death. There are sodium compounds that are alkaline, notably sodium hydroxide but it's also known as caustic soda which could also cause ... death. Of course common salt is sodium chloride which is neutral and relatively harmless if not overdone and there are many other compounds containing sodium.
Swallowing Potassium could also cause death but my point really is, that the pH given for these elements probably relates to compounds like hyroxides and while Magnesium and Calcium hyroxide are relatively innocuous, the rest aren't.
I notice that quite a few acid substances are listed as being alkalinizing and I'd suggest that to get the pH of blood and other parts of the body away from the digestive tract, to the desirable slightly alkaline level of 7.4 [which is only slightly above the neutral value 7.00] the best approach will be to feed your gut biota a range of foods that keep a balance between the many, many different bacteria with different roles to play in your health.
So, if you can, please take a look at the Catalyst program mentioned above and its follow up. [that's if they're viewable outside Australia??]
Taking too much of anything can cause side effects including death.....Taking Baking soda in proper amounts wont do much harm as a lot of the food we eat have baking soda in it as its also used in baking...Its also used as a antacid.
There are Potassium supplements as potassium is one of the most common ingredients found it food including beverages...I am not sure were you are getting all this talk about swallowing potassium will cause death???
Yes foods like Lemons are very alkaline and very good for you as I try to drink a cup of 1 fresh squeezed lemon juice a day.
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These last two replies [above] sound reasonable, and I will look into them for my own information. The only point I would like to add is that I worked in an analytical chemistry laboratory for many years, and value "finding out for myself" when it comes to the determination of pH. This is easy to do with litmus paper or pH paper.
funnehaha- Then you might be able to help me assess the validity of the claim on this bottle of Essentia alkaline water: "We make supercharged alkaline water that is too pure to be measured by pH strips." Sounds like BS to me. Isn't pH, pH? So if the pH is the claimed 9.5, wouldn't a strip reflect that? In other words, is there any (real) reason a strip wouldn't return a valid result?
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quote bendingwave:
I am not sure were you are getting all this talk about swallowing potassium will cause death???
quote fullrangeman from early in this thread:
ALKALINIZING MINERALS
Calcium: pH 12
Cesium: pH 14
Magnesium: pH 9
Potassium: pH 14
Sodium: pH 14
The elements Calcium, Caesium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium are listed along with various spices and vegetables as though they are valuable in a diet. You simply can't eat the elements sodium or potassium! There are many compounds containing these elements and most of them aren't alkaline. Strictly speaking, it appears from the ph quotes against the elements, that what are being referred to are the alkaline hydroxides of the elements, [not the actual elements which do not have a ph]. Sodium hydroxide, just to take one example, is otherwise known as caustic soda and is used for cleaning out blocked drains. You can't eat it!
My point was, that the list at the start of this post was supposed to be an alkaline dietary guide but the validity of the whole idea is seriously thrown into doubt by suggesting that various highly toxic elements or compounds might be useful in a diet.
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If the diet does not contain enough minerals to compensate, an accumulation of acids in the cells occurs.
Just eat a balanced diet that includes fruit vegetables meat fish etc., avoid processed foods, soda, sugar and forget about all the diet nonsense that is recycled every couple of decades.
Eat right, exercise, get good sleep, surround yourself with friends and loved-ones, manage stress and enjoy life. That's the secret to being healthy. The rest is just fantasy BS.
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+1 :D
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My dad recently passed away at 92 and his lunch every day for years consisted of a hot dog and a glass of wine. He ate tons of canned foods and drank every day, he was healthy as a horse at least up to 90. Good health has to do with our attitude and outlook on life, not just what we eat. Hi hot dog and glass of wine made him happy!
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My dad recently passed away at 92 and his lunch every day for years consisted of a hot dog and a glass of wine. He ate tons of canned foods and drank every day, he was healthy as a horse at least up to 90. Good health has to do with our attitude and outlook on life, not just what we eat. Hi hot dog and glass of wine made him happy!
That's genetics.
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Years ago when I cleaned the pool in my building the measuring strips worked very well.
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quote bendingwave:
quote fullrangeman from early in this thread:
The elements Calcium, Caesium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium are listed along with various spices and vegetables as though they are valuable in a diet. You simply can't eat the elements sodium or potassium! There are many compounds containing these elements and most of them aren't alkaline. Strictly speaking, it appears from the ph quotes against the elements, that what are being referred to are the alkaline hydroxides of the elements, [not the actual elements which do not have a ph]. Sodium hydroxide, just to take one example, is otherwise known as caustic soda and is used for cleaning out blocked drains. You can't eat it!
My point was, that the list at the start of this post was supposed to be an alkaline dietary guide but the validity of the whole idea is seriously thrown into doubt by suggesting that various highly toxic elements or compounds might be useful in a diet.
So are you saying spices and vegetables are not valuable in a diet?....Every single person in the world eats foods with sodium and potassium in it....certain spices, herbs, and vegetables are alkaline....There are all types of sodium and some forms of sodium arent meant for human consumption.
The validity of your claims is what I find doubtful, suggesting that the elements/minerals listed is highly toxic in proper amounts.
You do know that water supply/treatment processing plant uses minerals to alkalize the water right?....you do know that natural rain water in streams and rivers combine with the earths natural elements and minerals right?
Now do our water treament processing plants care about our health by making the water slightly alkaline? Heck no , they do it because alkaline water does not rust the pipes as fast as acidic water.
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That's genetics.
Genetics is one of the main factors but one of the key factors he said in his post was wine....If it was red wine then that alone has a lot of health benefits like antioxidants and resveratrol.
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Have any of you read that the liver is responsible for maintaining our bodies’ pH levels? Think of it as a firewall carefully preventing the pH from going too high or too low.
I used to drink alkaline water because I believed the company’s claimes. Since discovering the liver is responsible for pH levels, I ceased falling for claimed benefits of an alkaline diet.
I am not preaching to you nor am I attempting to persuade you to believe me. You may adhere to whatever diet you desire. I’ve found that diets are a lot like religion and politics - it’s best to not push one’s beliefs onto others.
Enjoy life.
Michael
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the recent article in the NY Times:
Is Alkaline Water Really Better for You?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/well/eat/alkaline-water-health-benefits.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fhealth (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/well/eat/alkaline-water-health-benefits.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fhealth)
"Alkaline water companies make vague claims that it will “energize” and “detoxify” the body and lead to “superior hydration.” And some claim that ionized water can prevent everything from headaches to cancer.
But there’s no evidence that drinking water with a higher pH can change the pH of your body, or even that this outcome would provide benefits.
Blood is tightly regulated at around pH 7.4, while the stomach, which secretes hydrochloric acid to digest proteins and kill food-borne pathogens, is very acidic, with a pH of 1.5 to 3.5. If you drink water that is slightly alkaline, Dr. Fenton said, the hydrochloric acid in the stomach quickly neutralizes it before it’s absorbed into the blood."
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If it was red wine then that alone has a lot of health benefits like antioxidants and resveratrol.
Yes but...
One alcoholic drink a day will shorten life, study finds
https://www.upi.com/One-alcoholic-drink-a-day-will-shorten-life-study-finds/2781523628685/ (https://www.upi.com/One-alcoholic-drink-a-day-will-shorten-life-study-finds/2781523628685/)
"April 13 [2018] (UPI) -- If you drink one alcoholic beverage each day, it could shorten your life expectancy by about one year, a new study suggests.
Researchers in Britain, examining the drinking habits of 599,912 drinkers in 19 countries worldwide from 1964 to 2010, found that drinking more alcohol is associated with a higher risk of stroke, fatal aneurysm, heart failure and death. Their findings were published Thursday in the journal Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30134-X/abstract)."
Happy Hour starts at my house in 20 minutes!
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Genetics is one of the main factors but one of the key factors he said in his post was wine....If it was red wine then that alone has a lot of health benefits like antioxidants and resveratrol.
Anecdotal. Some people just do not have the genetics to live into their 90's. There isn't enough resveratrol in the universe to make some people live that long. My great uncle is 80 now and eats total shit, and spent most of his days in a motorcycle "club" drinking and other things. His younger brother who lived exactly like him didn't make 60, and his other brother (my grandfather) was 73 I believe. My grandfather did not live like the other two at all. On the other side of my family my grandmother made it to 93, and she chain smoked every day. She also had a grapefruit and black coffee for every breakfast.
The point being is you can't make sense of these things in overly simplistic ways. You can wish all you fucking want that your "plan" is the one that extends your life but fact of the matter is not every is built for it. Without very radical changes in our ability to change telemores and stuff like that, I will never see 90 despite perhaps two of my grandmothers getting there (one is in 70's and doesn't have any gray hair yet). Why do I say that? I resemble the ones that die early, genetically. There are some very clear traits.
People with more slender builds make up over 90% of the people whom live the longest. Sometimes they can get fat, but none the less the same thing is true.
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In my country the water standard is PH 9.3 since ever, never were news from illness or personal damage in all the country.
This nyt article follows the black soda industry (PH 2.5), dont believe it.
Its public knowledge that Nestle company owned by Monsanto want
to make potable water 100% private property in every countrie.
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Anecdotal. Some people just do not have the genetics to live into their 90's. There isn't enough resveratrol in the universe to make some people live that long. My great uncle is 80 now and eats total shit, and spent most of his days in a motorcycle "club" drinking and other things. His younger brother who lived exactly like him didn't make 60, and his other brother (my grandfather) was 73 I believe. My grandfather did not live like the other two at all. On the other side of my family my grandmother made it to 93, and she chain smoked every day. She also had a grapefruit and black coffee for every breakfast.
The point being is you can't make sense of these things in overly simplistic ways. You can wish all you fucking want that your "plan" is the one that extends your life but fact of the matter is not every is built for it. Without very radical changes in our ability to change telemores and stuff like that, I will never see 90 despite perhaps two of my grandmothers getting there (one is in 70's and doesn't have any gray hair yet). Why do I say that? I resemble the ones that die early, genetically. There are some very clear traits.
People with more slender builds make up over 90% of the people whom live the longest. Sometimes they can get fat, but none the less the same thing is true.
I said Genetics is one of the main factors....I never said resveratrol will make someone who doesn't have the genetic traits live that long BUT it can help those with a unhealthy lifestyle live a few more years then they normally would...Its not as simplistic as you make it seem to be as there are many factors involved as what you say about resemblance and so called very clear traits are also ancedotal and not absolute. Some people can smoke cigs all there life and not get lung cancer or emphazema but does that mean smoking is perfectly safe? FUCK NO becuase its a proven fact that smoking can cause lung cancer and emphazema.
My Great Grandmother lived till late 90's while my Grandfather lived till mid 70's..no one knows for certain how long one will live regardless of these genetic traits as like I said before there are many factors involved....If genetics was the only thing involved then my whole family line should live a long long time since Okinawans are known for living very long life spans....Both of my uncles died at around late 60's early 70s and they are slender built.
More slender builds? Anyone can be slender if they wanted too...One being slender is basically ones IDEAL weight....but even slender people can die early...once again it aint as simplistic as you make it to be.
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This nyt article follows the black soda industry (PH 2.5), dont believe it.
Its public knowledge that Nestle company owned by Monsanto want
to make potable water 100% private property in every countrie.
The article does not mention black soda. I Googled "black soda industry" and came up with marketing sugary soda to minorities. :dunno: Links?
I don't know about Monsanto, Tucson water is firmly entrenched and anyone trying to privatize C.A.P. would have to also have to pay all the states that supply and receive Colorado river water: Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, New Mexico, California, Arizona and Nevada.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the recent article in the NY Times:
Is Alkaline Water Really Better for You?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/well/eat/alkaline-water-health-benefits.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fhealth (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/well/eat/alkaline-water-health-benefits.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fhealth)
"Alkaline water companies make vague claims that it will “energize” and “detoxify” the body and lead to “superior hydration.” And some claim that ionized water can prevent everything from headaches to cancer.
But there’s no evidence that drinking water with a higher pH can change the pH of your body, or even that this outcome would provide benefits.
Blood is tightly regulated at around pH 7.4, while the stomach, which secretes hydrochloric acid to digest proteins and kill food-borne pathogens, is very acidic, with a pH of 1.5 to 3.5. If you drink water that is slightly alkaline, Dr. Fenton said, the hydrochloric acid in the stomach quickly neutralizes it before it’s absorbed into the blood."
That article is comparing marketed alkaline water to tap water....but most people dont realize that tap water is usually more on the alkaline side to prevent pipes from rusting.
I am sure Dr.Fenton knows that when one eats too much acidic foods there will be a over abundance of acid in the stomach creating one of the more popular illness now days due to poor diet known as ACID (laryngopharyngeal) REFLUX.
At each extremes of the ph spectrum is not good for anyone.....The best ph. is neutral or SLIGHTLY alkaline....Not sure of that articles true intentions but I believe neutral or slightly alkaline water is better for anyone then drinking acidic water. Most bottled water like the ones from COKE aka DASANI is acidic just like there SODA's and energy drinks they like to push on young kids.
Water is just one of the many food products with acidic and or alkaline properties so alkaline water alone wont help much if the rest of your diet consist of acidic foods.
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Yes but...
One alcoholic drink a day will shorten life, study finds
https://www.upi.com/One-alcoholic-drink-a-day-will-shorten-life-study-finds/2781523628685/ (https://www.upi.com/One-alcoholic-drink-a-day-will-shorten-life-study-finds/2781523628685/)
"April 13 [2018] (UPI) -- If you drink one alcoholic beverage each day, it could shorten your life expectancy by about one year, a new study suggests.
Researchers in Britain, examining the drinking habits of 599,912 drinkers in 19 countries worldwide from 1964 to 2010, found that drinking more alcohol is associated with a higher risk of stroke, fatal aneurysm, heart failure and death. Their findings were published Thursday in the journal Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30134-X/abstract)."
Happy Hour starts at my house in 20 minutes!
Alcohol can effect the liver.
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Not everyone can have a slender build. There are ectomorphs, mesomorphs, and endomorphs. Some people are a bit in between two of them. People that are endomorphs consistently have problems with AGE's, and other metabolic factors that make people live shorter years. These are not hard predictors to come by.
What you have to understand is people don't equally inherit genetic traits. They can skip generations, and siblings can get totally different stuff, but none the less there will be a consistency with soma types and age statistically.
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Not everyone can have a slender build. There are ectomorphs, mesomorphs, and endomorphs. Some people are a bit in between two of them. People that are endomorphs consistently have problems with AGE's, and other metabolic factors that make people live shorter years. These are not hard predictors to come by.
What you have to understand is people don't equally inherit genetic traits. They can skip generations, and siblings can get totally different stuff, but none the less there will be a consistency with soma types and age statistically.
Everyone can have a slender build....Its like saying not everyone can be anorexic....endomorphs have problems with age because they are fricken fat. SMDH...sure other metabolic factors can come into play but the can also be controlled to a degree through exercise and a proper diet/supplements. Not all predictions turn out the way you think they would.
Oh believe me I understand genetic traits fairly well as there will be just as much or more INCONSISTANCIES then consistencies especially since most people breed randomly instead of selecting a mate based solely on certain types of genetic traits that would enhance and pass along to there offspring. LOL
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Endomorph does not mean fat, aka overweight. It is a difference in tissue type.
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Its a difference in body type but one is not completely bound to one category or the other.... Endomorphs tend to gain weight fast and keep that weight on hence why majority of Endomorphs body type is usually fat/round/overweight hence why they dont live as long as "slender people", due to most of them being over weight due to there specific metabolic factors as well as other life style factors.
Majority of Ectomorphs have a hard time gaining weight and keeping that weight on hence why they tend to live longer because they are at there IDEAL weight due to there high metabolic factors.
The reason why one is not completely bound to one catagory or the other is for the mere fact that one can change there BODY TYPE.
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Everyone can have a slender build....Its like saying not everyone can be anorexic LOL....
I would suggest you are laboring under incomplete understanding of physiology. "Everyone" emphatically cannot have a slender build. What we think of when talking about "build" in large part is comprised of one's bone structure. I would challenge you to give one example of a naturally big boned muscular mesomorph transforming themselves into someone with the build of a slender ectomorphic long distance runner. It isn't going to happen. One can become the best version possible of a given body type and it is true that many if not most of us have mixtures of more than one body type. That is different from saying one can transform themselves into something one is not.
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You cannot change your body type. You can merely fool people as to what it looks like it is through a variety of ways like starvation, bad diet, poor metabolism, hyperthryoid/hypothroid, and other things that make someone big and small in the fat department. At any given time they're still the same somatype.
Endomorphs may be predisposed to being fatter, but that does not mean they are. I see endomorphs all the time who have no extra fat on them. And I've met ectomoprhs you might assume are endomorphs but lose weight and are really slim in bone and everything.
No matter what, the endomorphs biology still tends towards a shorter life span. One might argue that some of them are more productive with it however. This man (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=517958.0;attach=554856;image) is an endomorph. He obviously lifts weights a lot, but what I'd point out is that often the beefy guys like this can train to move a lot more weight than smaller somatypes, within the same amount of time. Need more than a picture? Ok, how about the fact that strong man competitions are at least 95% Endo Endo-meso, with almost 0 pure mesomorph and absolutely never any ectomoprhs. IF you think an endomorph can change somatypes by losing weight, why can't an ectomorph turn into a strong-man?
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I would suggest you are laboring under incomplete understanding of physiology. "Everyone" emphatically cannot have a slender build. What we think of when talking about "build" in large part is comprised of one's bone structure. I would challenge you to give one example of a naturally big boned muscular mesomorph transforming themselves into someone with the build of a slender ectomorphic long distance runner. It isn't going to happen. One can become the best version possible of a given body type and it is true that many if not most of us have mixtures of more than one body type. That is different from saying one can transform themselves into something one is not.
Everyone can have a slender build.....Eveyone has different bone structures to degrees but it is not depended on ones body type.....I agree that a big bone person cannot change into a small boned person as that is genetics BUT a naturally big boned muscular mesomorph can transform themselves to become slender in body type and become a long distance runner.
Exactly one can become the best version of a possible given body type as one can TRANSFORM there BODY TYPE but not there bone structure.
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I think you mean you believe people can be in shape. Slender implies... slender.
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You cannot change your body type. You can merely fool people as to what it looks like it is through a variety of ways like starvation, bad diet, poor metabolism, hyperthryoid/hypothroid, and other things that make someone big and small in the fat department. At any given time they're still the same somatype.
Endomorphs may be predisposed to being fatter, but that does not mean they are. I see endomorphs all the time who have no extra fat on them. And I've met ectomoprhs you might assume are endomorphs but lose weight and are really slim in bone and everything.
No matter what, the endomorphs biology still tends towards a shorter life span. One might argue that some of them are more productive with it however. This man (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=517958.0;attach=554856;image) is an endomorph. He obviously lifts weights a lot, but what I'd point out is that often the beefy guys like this can train to move a lot more weight than smaller somatypes, within the same amount of time. Need more than a picture? Ok, how about the fact that strong man competitions are at least 95% Endo Endo-meso, with almost 0 pure mesomorph and absolutely never any ectomoprhs. IF you think an endomorph can change somatypes by losing weight, why can't an ectomorph turn into a strong-man?
Once again you can change your body type...and most don't willingly change there body type due to the illnesses you listed, its done willingly in a healthy way....Like I told photon you can change your body type but you cant change your bone structure as those are two completely different things. You just proved my point when you said you see endomorphs who are are skinny or ectomorphs who are fat because they can change there body type its facts.
Once again a shorter life span due to what? Are you just going to say genetics? Its a shorter life span because they are not at there ideal weight as its known that people at there ideal weight live longer then people who are over weight, percentage wise.
PERCENTAGE WISE most endomorphs are on the heavier side due to them not being able to keep the weight off due to there metabolic genetic factors.
MASS/WEIGHT/HEIGHT are all the key factors when it comes to strength with HEIGHT being one of the key factors as a taller person can put on more muscle mass and weight then a shorter person its just physilogical facts.....I didnt even look at that picture.....In strong man competitions there body type is endomorphs because like I said in that particular sport to have the most strength one needs to have maximum mass/weight/height.....any type of morphs can turn into and compete in the strong man competition the same any types of morphs can compete in and play ANY TYPE OF SPORTS.
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I think you mean you believe people can be in shape. Slender implies... slender.
Slender is a shape or body type.
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Look up the Keto diet. You can lose a lot of weight and helps if you have heart disease, diabetes, or cancer. One woman lived to be 116 eating mostly bacon and eggs.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11721581/Worlds-oldest-person-116-eats-diet-of-bacon-and-eggs.html
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You make no sense. You can't body types, you can change fitness. I'm not posting anymore to feed your nonsense after this, since I'm simply repeating myself.
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Thanks boys for keeping the topic useful to people in need of this diet.
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You make no sense. You can't body types, you can change fitness. I'm not posting anymore to feed your nonsense after this, since I'm simply repeating myself.
I make perfect sense you just dont get it or dont want to accept it....endo, ecto, and meso are used to describe body types...fitness is excercises a totally different topic....you are the one that is spewing nonsense of something you just dont understand, like how you think a ecto cant become a strong man or power lifter. SMDH
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Look up the Keto diet. You can lose a lot of weight and helps if you have cancer, diabetes, or cancer. One woman lived to be 116 eating mostly bacon and eggs.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11721581/Worlds-oldest-person-116-eats-diet-of-bacon-and-eggs.html
Tell that to Folsom as he don't believe DIETS actually effect age/life span. :lol:
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In an attempt to get the thread back to its original direction [correct me if I've got this wrong fullrangeman], I think the topic was acidosis. I make no claims to wisdom about acidosis but it appears to come in two forms. With metabolic acidosis, the kidneys are unable to satisfactorily remove various acids in the blood stream, like lactic acid. With respiratory acidosis the lungs are unable to satisfactorily perform their usual function of removing carbon dioxide from the blood stream, hence the blood becomes more acid [CO2 in solution forming carbonic acid]. Poor lung function or poor kidney function are they key problems.
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There's quite a difference between acidosis caused by CO2 [lung weakness] and acidosis caused by other acids, like lactic acid [kidney weakness].
One key thing I can see here is that while bicarbonate infusions can be used to treat acids other than CO2 in the blood stream, bicarb would not help with CO2. Lactic acid will react with bicarbonate to produce CO2 and sodium lactate. The CO2 will then be extracted by the lungs and the blood acidity will fall.
Extra bicarbonate in the blood stream will do nothing to remove CO2 and where the acidosis is lung related it's just possible that the bicarb would add to the CO2 in the blood stream by reacting with acid in the blood, as above, to release more CO2. I'm talking basic chemistry here, not medicine, so any doctors present would be much better informed than I.
I remain sceptical of the diet, though I haven't read any more about it than is mentioned at the start of this topic.
Does the author of the diet differentiate between the two forms of acidosis and is the suggested diet the same for both?
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You cannot change your body type. You can merely fool people as to what it looks like it is through a variety of ways like starvation, bad diet, poor metabolism, hyperthryoid/hypothroid, and other things that make someone big and small in the fat department. At any given time they're still the same somatype.
Endomorphs may be predisposed to being fatter, but that does not mean they are. I see endomorphs all the time who have no extra fat on them. And I've met ectomoprhs you might assume are endomorphs but lose weight and are really slim in bone and everything.
No matter what, the endomorphs biology still tends towards a shorter life span. One might argue that some of them are more productive with it however. This man (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=517958.0;attach=554856;image) is an endomorph. He obviously lifts weights a lot, but what I'd point out is that often the beefy guys like this can train to move a lot more weight than smaller somatypes, within the same amount of time. Need more than a picture? Ok, how about the fact that strong man competitions are at least 95% Endo Endo-meso, with almost 0 pure mesomorph and absolutely never any ectomoprhs. IF you think an endomorph can change somatypes by losing weight, why can't an ectomorph turn into a strong-man?
I'm with you there. When I was younger, I decided I wanted to be a body builder (Arnold Schwarzenegger was popular at the time). I lifted all the time...and while I got bigger, I was never strong or anywhere near a bodybuilder, as both of these require genetics. (Not to mention drugs.) And while I would go jogging also when I started out, I was slow. There was no way to turn me from being what I was (someone with moderate genetics for gaining muscle, but not much genetics for strength) to a 5 minute per mile, ultra-thin Kenyan runner. It was not going to happen.
And we haven't even started discussing muscle types (aka "slow twitch" and "fast twitch" muscle fibers, though it's more complex than that) and genetics.
As for an alkaline diet, I think it's complete hogwash and unsupported by randomized controlled trials on human beings.
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The food pyramid is unsupported by human trials as well. No diet had a controlled study. The alkaline diet is nonsense based on claims of how it works, but does in fact recommend mostly eating healhy things that have been shown to have many positive attributes (and actually aligns well with the pyramid). But I can see why people run away since the concept of blood ph is debunked riggerously.
On the flip side, this is interesting. It is a dream come true for all old people that love the idea of good wholesome simple magic pills they have already heard of... http://www.sci-news.com/medicine/baking-soda-inflammation-autoimmune-diseases-05954.html
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Please note alkaline diet is an alternative treatment only for people who need it, healthy people do not need it.
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The food pyramid is unsupported by human trials as well. No diet had a controlled study. The alkaline diet is nonsense based on claims of how it works, but does in fact recommend mostly eating healhy things that have been shown to have many positive attributes (and actually aligns well with the pyramid). But I can see why people run away since the concept of blood ph is debunked riggerously.
On the flip side, this is interesting. It is a dream come true for all old people that love the idea of good wholesome simple magic pills they have already heard of... http://www.sci-news.com/medicine/baking-soda-inflammation-autoimmune-diseases-05954.html
Lots of diets have had controlled studies. Here are low carb versus low fat:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets
https://phcuk.org/rcts/
Then there's the Women's Health Initiative, Dietary Intervention trial. 49,000 women, split into the two groups (test and control). The test group ate less overall fat, less saturated fat, less RED MEAT (by 20%, statistically significant), fewer calories, more fruits and vegetables. 8+ years. 400+ million dollars. DESIGNED to test for cancer (breast and colon), heart disease, and overall death rate. Result? No statistically significant difference in ANYTHING.
The food pyramid was not based on RCTs, though. More evidence continues to refute it.
If you want to reduce inflammation, stop eating all industrial seed oils (soybean oil, canola oil, sunflower oil) and other high-Omega 6 oils. Stop eating sugar. Start intermittent fasting.
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Lots of diets have had controlled studies...
If you want to reduce inflammation, stop eating all industrial seed oils (soybean oil, canola oil, sunflower oil) and other high-Omega 6 oils. Stop eating sugar. Start intermittent fasting.
I didn't know all that about oils, sugar and fasting. Are there any controlled studies?
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Its so funny how some of you are claiming that a alkaline diet is nonsense and or hog wash are contradicting your own words and not even knowing it.
Healthy foods is alkaline.....unhealthy foods is acidic.
Carbs fall into the category of acidic foods which can cause a number of health problems hence why they are deemed Unhealthy foods.....Certain fats are alkaline and certain ones are acidic as there are good/healthy fats and then there are bad/unhealthy fats.
Since the original topic is on Alkaline foods we are talking about 3 types of Ph. Which is Alkaline, Neutral and Acidic.....Those that say a Alkaline diet is "nonsense" or "hog wash" are basically implying that a neutral or acidic diet is better then a alkaline diet.
Waiting for your excuses, oops I mean answers. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Quite a few of the food items listed for the alkaline diet are actually acidic.
They would appear to contradict your claim that:
Healthy foods is alkaline.....unhealthy foods is acidic.
Diet decisions aren't as simple as acid bad, alkaline good.
To quote from one of your earlier posts Bendingwave;
Yes foods like Lemons are very alkaline and very good for you as I try to drink a cup of 1 fresh squeezed lemon juice a day.
Lemons aren't alkaline, they're acid, as in citric acid
The question posed by this thread is, does the Alkaline diet shown at the start of the thread answer the problem of acidosis.
Also, as FullRangeMan has said:
Please note alkaline diet is an alternative treatment only for people who need it, healthy people do not need it.
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To keep both parties happy here, I must say that the pH of the blood should be kept below 8, otherwise there could be serious health risk, so the good range is really 7 to 8.
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Citrus is acidic to taste but apparently its "alkaline producing"
I have tried to experiment with an alkaline diet and it is very refreshing and I felt energetic
Quite a few of the food items listed for the alkaline diet are actually acidic.
They would appear to contradict your claim that:
Diet decisions aren't as simple as acid bad, alkaline good.
To quote from one of your earlier posts Bendingwave;
Lemons aren't alkaline, they're acid, as in citric acid
The question posed by this thread is, does the Alkaline diet shown at the start of the thread answer the problem of acidosis.
Also, as FullRangeMan has said:
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Quite a few of the food items listed for the alkaline diet are actually acid.
They would appear to contradict your claim that:
Diet decisions aren't as simple as acid bad, alkaline good.
The question posed by this thread is, does the Alkaline diet shown at the start of the thread answer the problem of acidosis.
Also, as FullRangeMan has said:
You mean like lemons and limes?
It would only "APPEAR" to those that do not understand about the alkaline process of lemons and limes.
Yes its pretty that simple but its not simple to adhere to as its not everyones personal preference in food choices as most wont stick to there diet resolutions.
Alkaline diet can help treat and prevent acidosis.
Alkaline diet is not only used for alternative treatments....Its also used by healthy people to stay healthy and live a healthy life style.
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Omg
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I have tried to experiment with an alkaline diet and it is very refreshing and I felt energetic
Yes, why not, seems like a perfectly healthy list of food, though does it help with acidosis?
I'd ask though, if a fair number of the ingredients listed are actually acidic rather than alkaline, what is it about the diet that is actually alkaline and if we're talking about some post-digestion products, what are they?
Again, I quote from the list on page 1:
ALKALINIZING MINERALS
Calcium: pH 12
Cesium: pH 14
Magnesium: pH 9
Potassium: pH 14
Sodium: pH 14
If we take this list literally, the suggestion is that sodium could be useful in your diet for "alkalinizing". Note, the suggestion is sodium, not a compound containing sodium, of which there are thousands.
If you were to put as little as a pin head sized piece of sodium on your tongue, you'd get an immediate vigorous reaction releasing large amounts of heat, burning a hole in your tongue and producing sodium hydroxide [a powerful alkaline agent]. If you follow up by swallowing the alkaline sodium hydroxide, when it hits your stomach it will be neutralized by the hydrochloric acid there, leaving sodium chloride[common salt] and a water.
So if the "alkalinizing" minerals aren't going to "alkalyze" anything, why should we believe that any of the other listed ingredients will?
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To keep both parties happy here, I must say that the pH of the blood should be kept below 8, otherwise there could be serious health risk, so the good range is really 7 to 8.
Hey doc! FYI, the pH range of of blood is between pH 7.35 - 7.45. If it deviates even for a short time, you're dead. ;)
Saliva pH varies from 5.0-8.0, and is a good indicator of general health status. It shows the mineral reserves inside the cells. The more alkaline the cells, the easier they can make ATP and use enzymes to do their job, and the more healthy the organism will be. Healthy young children have pH above 7. It's all downhill from there, once someone hands them a cookie! :green:
The pH of food is determined by burning the food to ash and mixing with water and measuring the pH of the solution. It's the mineral content of the food that determines it's pH after digestion. The taste has no affect on how the food affects pH after digestion. They use the term acid forming, or alkaline forming food to differentiate between acid tasting food that doesn't push blood pH acidic and acid forming food which does affect pH.
Blood pH is buffered instantly by several buffer mechanisms. The buffers use mineral reserves to maintain the nominal blood pH. The more acid forming food you eat, the faster you use up the alkaline reserves, the faster the deterioration of general health. You can restore alkaline minerals to the cells by eating alkaline forming foods. But they require lots more alkaline foods to balance a little acid forming food.
The minerals need to be in balance with each other in specific ratios. You can't just eat a box of baking soda and suddenly you are 50 years younger. All the minerals need to be in balanced proportion with each other, and they exist in a living organism not as free ions, but as molecules within living proteins, so they are incorporated slowly over time. It is easy to kill a cell in a pH emergency to get the Potassium quickly, but it takes much longer to absorb and build living tissue loaded with potassium to replace what was lost so quickly. Usually it is potassium and magnesium that are lost most easily to stress and acid forming diet, and these cause the most illness and suffering in deficit. Eat those vegetables for magnesium and potassium! :thumb:
Dr. Mark Sircus has a good book (https://www.amazon.com/dp/075700394X) about using baking soda for healing that describes what actually happens inside the cell when pH falls from loss of alkaline minerals. Scary!
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Want to update my alkaline diet that I came to adapt to my age and immune system:
I had to quite the black pepper due saturation,
I got saturated and had to stop taking it.
I want inform the Sodium Bicarbonate is a great remedy to me, it was a real surprise, I just feel real better instantly I take it, to be precise in about 3 to 5 seconds I take it I feel a strong benefit in my head and muscles that are not great in my age.
I want confirm coffee also is a good food and supplement to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFuCeST4oJ8
Now this is the current diet that I had made to myself:
- 5 tablets of brewer's yeast per day
- Vitamin C 1g per day
- Sometimes pear, apple, watermelon and strawberry seeds
- 2 cups of coffee with milk without sugar per day
- 1 serving of goji berry rehydrated with water
- 1 serving of raw quinoa with bread.
- 2 serving per day sodium bicarbonate with water.
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I managed to get to age 69 with absolutely no concern whatsoever with my diet or healthy eating.
I eat what ever I feel like eating. Period.
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I want inform the Sodium Bicarbonate is a great remedy to me, it was a real surprise, I just feel real better instantly I take it, to be precise in about 3 to 5 seconds I take it I feel a strong benefit in my head and muscles that are not great in my age.
I know it sounds very strange, but some doctors are now saying cancer is a fungus, and Sodium Bicarbonate will knock out cancer. But do your own research, I am not a doctor.
http://drsircus.com/cancer/cancer-treatment-overview/
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I know it sounds very strange, but some doctors are now saying cancer is a fungus, and Sodium Bicarbonate will knock out cancer. But do your own research, I am not a doctor.
http://drsircus.com/cancer/cancer-treatment-overview/
some doctors are now saying cancer is a fungus,
It make sense as in 2014/15 I had tinnitus fungus.
I no surprise if SB can kill various cancers types, I see one doc saying cancer is built by the lack of Vit B17 on the body, which is a hard to find Vit.
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I managed to get to age 69 with absolutely no concern whatsoever with my diet or healthy eating.
I eat what ever I feel like eating. Period.
Just imagine how much improved your life and mental acuity would have been if you had adopted a healthy lifestyle 50 years ago. Of course, there are no guarantees in life, but healthier is always better.
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I managed to get to age 69 with absolutely no concern whatsoever with my diet or healthy eating.
I eat what ever I feel like eating. Period.
That’s my way of eating too, but more often than not, I find myself eating things conventional wisdom says aren’t the best... such as pizza, pasta, burgers, fries, sub sandwiches, fried chicken etc. Like Trump, I must have some pretty fabulous genes to get away with eating those things considering my health.
Don’t get me wrong, that’s not all that I eat. I like fruit, especially fresh fruit, but I’ve never been to keen on the veggies. Salads are doable, as are stir fries - mainly peepers with onions and mushrooms. But veggies like broccoli, carrots, asparagus etc are something I’ll only eat on very rare occasions.
So Elizabeth, out of curiously, what foods do you eat and enjoy most often?
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I managed to get to age 69 with absolutely no concern whatsoever with my diet or healthy eating.
I eat what ever I feel like eating. Period.
A lot of people eat whatever they want to eat without any concern regardless of there underlying health issues. :lol:
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I would like inform I add guaraná powder to my alkaline diet and see great results on the same day excellent product and very cheap, however it takes away sleep.
Iam very happy with my health now.
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I would like inform I add guaraná powder to my alkaline diet and see great results on the same day excellent product and very cheap, however it takes away sleep.
Iam very happy with my health now.
That's the caffeine talking. :lol:
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That's the caffeine talking. :lol:
Iam aware this, besides not being a problem caffeine raises my low blood pressure.
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With this alkaline diet I realize I have to control the ph blood.
This is a cheap and 0.25 precision method intended to clinical:
https://br.pipingrock.com/overcounter-pharmacy/ph-test-strips-for-saliva-and-urine-100-test-strips-40221
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some doctors are now saying cancer is a fungus,
It make sense as in 2014/15 I had tinnitus fungus.
I no surprise if SB can kill various cancers types, I see one doc saying cancer is built by the lack of Vit B17 on the body, which is a hard to find Vit.
Its not hard to find as its a natural supplement found in certain foods....one of the most abundant levels of B-17 is found in apricot seeds.
It tastes like a very bitter almond.
Apple seeds have B-17. Do you all remember the old school saying of a apple a day keeps the doctor away? A old timer who use to raise horses told me that none of his horses ever got cancer because he usually fed them apples every other day give or take a few days.
My chihuahua is very picky when it comes to food as she knows what is healthy and what is not....for example she will NOT eat McDonalds french fries but she will gladly accept a apricot seed even if its fricken bitter.
BTW another B vitamin not readily known is B-15 pangamic acid or the supplement DMG that helps your body produce more pangamic acid.
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Great info, thanks Bendingwave.
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B17 was banned because it contains cyanide and yes, it's the reason bitter almonds taste bitter. Bitter almonds aren't the same as eating almonds. They're used for oil and are generally regarded as being inedible. This is possibly because if you eat enough, they'll give you cyanide poisoning. Same with apricot kernels.
Figuring out the difference between a toxic and tolerable level of consumption of cyanide is not something to experiment with at home.
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B17 was banned because it contains cyanide and yes, it's the reason bitter almonds taste bitter. Bitter almonds aren't the same as eating almonds. They're used for oil and are generally regarded as being inedible. This is possibly because if you eat enough, they'll give you cyanide poisoning. Same with apricot kernels.
Figuring out the difference between a toxic and tolerable level of consumption of cyanide is not something to experiment with at home.
I am not one for sugar coating shit, but I will do it just for you fullrangeman since you asked so nicely. lol
We the government ban B-17 even though you can get it from many food sources legally readily available all year round.....But We the Government allow you to smoke all the Ciggerettes you want because its a ten trillion dollar industry world wide. LMAO
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I am not one for sugar coating shit, but I will do it just for you fullrangeman since you asked so nicely. lol
A humble way to describe your own words but I'd have to agree.
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B17 was banned because it contains cyanide and yes, it's the reason bitter almonds taste bitter. Bitter almonds aren't the same as eating almonds. They're used for oil and are generally regarded as being inedible. This is possibly because if you eat enough, they'll give you cyanide poisoning. Same with apricot kernels.
Figuring out the difference between a toxic and tolerable level of consumption of cyanide is not something to experiment with at home.
Thanks Bendingwaves.
Jules: do you could offer some solid facts on this contamination, as I intend take this seeds myself, STM this incidence does not occur naturally.
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Fulltangeman, I realize that Amygdalin, Laetrile or B17 has been hotly debated elsewhere, and it's easy enough to refer to Dr. Google on the topic. Maybe the Wikipedia is a reasonable starting point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin
Thousands of words have been written on the topic so I'm not going to attempt to paraphrase the argument here.
Jules
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1VQTzJtrgk
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Thanks Bendingwaves.
Jules: do you could offer some solid facts on this contamination, as I intend take this seeds myself, STM this incidence does not occur naturally.
It's not a question of contamination FRM. Amygdalin [(6-O-β-D-glucopyranosyl-β-D-glucopyranosyl)oxy](phenyl)acetonitrile] is a naturally occurring cyanic glucoside found in the kernels of apricots, bitter almonds and some other fruit. This is hardly debatable. What could be debatable is whether it could, in any circumstances, be medically useful. Where cancer is involved, chemotherapy is acceptable to many people, despite the shocking side effects that have to be born.
Eat enough bitter almonds [and yes, that would have to be quite a few] on a regular basis and you could get cyanosis but that doesn't make it a cancer cure.
PS Just to put this into more earthy context ... The smell of cyanide is often likened to that of bitter almonds. I also remember from my youth [well before Wikipedia] that jam makers would use a few apricot kernels in apricot jam. They did this to give it a slight bitter edge but at the same time they used them with caution.
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Why do you think Chemotherapy is acceptable to many people for Cancer treatments regardless of the horrendous side effects?....Could it be because its basically the ONLY option that Doctors and Hospitals/Cancer treatment centers will (push) OFFER because of Big brother PHARMAKIA.
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Hello, Bendingwave. Long time no chat.
Do you deny that apple seeds contain arsenic?
Do you deny that apricot seeds contain Amygdalin, which the body can convert to cyanide?
Do you feel no remorse for encouraging FRM to consume the above seeds knowing they contain potentially harmful levels of poison?
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Thanks Michael for your concerns I appreciated, certainly I do not want to poison myself with cyanide, being missed chemistry classes I was surprised.
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Hello, Bendingwave. Long time no chat.
Do you deny that apple seeds contain arsenic?
Do you deny that apricot seeds contain Amygdalin, which the body can convert to cyanide?
Do you feel no remorse for encouraging FRM to consume the above seeds knowing they contain potentially harmful levels of poison?
Hello, Michael. I prefer to chat on the forum and not in PM hence why I did not respond to your old pm.
No I do not deny any of it but you dont know how it actually works the same way you or was is someone else didnt know that lemons and limes even though considered acidic becomes alkaline in your gut....I also do not feel any remorse encouraging it if taken in moderate portions as any thing can be bad for anyone if one take too much of anything....heck you can die and over dose on water if you drink too much in a short period of time.
Micheal probably needs some time to google it. LOL
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B17 was banned because it contains cyanide and yes, it's the reason bitter almonds taste bitter. Bitter almonds aren't the same as eating almonds. They're used for oil and are generally regarded as being inedible. This is possibly because if you eat enough, they'll give you cyanide poisoning. Same with apricot kernels.
Figuring out the difference between a toxic and tolerable level of consumption of cyanide is not something to experiment with at home.
There was a medical center in Tulsa, Ok that was treating cancfer patients with B17 for a couple of years. Nobody died from B17, but the center was shut down by the FDA. AMA does not want cheap cancer treatments to be legal, too much money in chemo treatments.
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Remind me of certain other areas of disagreement. Particularly aftermarket cables. :roll:
IMO Humans survives hundreds of thousands of years eating 'acidic food'. It USED to just be called food... Not like they all died at age 12 from it.
I am old. never gave one tiny moment of thought to this notion. Yet here I am. I attribute my health to eating the same stuff day in, day out. Whatever is cheap, seasonal, and what I feel like eating. Did I mention cheap? LOL
So, for me, this whole nutritional theory stuff is a total pass. I have no problem YOU wanting it, just don't expect me to applaud.
And if you are 'offended' I write trash talk in your pet fantasy, remember you seem to need to do the same in mine.
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Remind me of certain other areas of disagreement. Particularly aftermarket cables. :roll:
IMO Humans survives hundreds of thousands of years eating 'acidic food'. It USED to just be called food... Not like they all died at age 12 from it.
Well, life expectancy was pretty low up until after the 1900's - about 40 years old until around 1900 when it went up to about 47. However, that is tempered by the fact that if you lived to be about 10 years old, the life expectancy was just under 60. Lot of childbirth deaths and death by flu were the big killers.
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Well, life expectancy was pretty low up until after the 1900's - about 40 years old until around 1900 when it went up to about 47. However, that is tempered by the fact that if you lived to be about 10 years old, the life expectancy was just under 60. Lot of childbirth deaths and death by flu were the big killers.
My Dad's doctor told him it was because of sanitation.
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My Dad's doctor told him it was because of sanitation.
Agree 100%
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My Dad's doctor told him it was because of sanitation.
We didn't know about germs until Louis Pasteur's discovery in 1866, I think. Even then, one doctor drastically reduced childbirth deaths in a hospital in the 1880's by getting doctors to simply wash their hands after operations - but even then, the powers that be changed the policy and the childbirth death rate went up again! People like to hold on to their old ways...
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There was a medical center in Tulsa, Ok that was treating cancfer patients with B17 for a couple of years. Nobody died from B17, but the center was shut down by the FDA. AMA does not want cheap cancer treatments to be legal, too much money in chemo treatments.
Exactly!!!!!....No body is dying from taking B-17 but guess what???? A lot of people die from the CHEMOTHERAPY treatment even before the cancer has a chance to kill them....Chemo is a billion dollar industry world wide with a very low survival rate.
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https://www.webmd.com/cancer/amygdalin-cancer-treatment
If you understand what cancer is (not a fungus, that's the dumbest shit ever) then you understand why a little bit of cyanide isn't a cure.
The biggest problem with cancer is getting the body to recognize they aren't healthy cells, or even part of the "body" in a way they are suppose to be. The secondary problem is impaired immune systems that do recognize the problem. Sometimes the second comes after the first when changes are made, because of the stress on the body.
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https://www.webmd.com/cancer/amygdalin-cancer-treatment
If you understand what cancer is (not a fungus, that's the dumbest shit ever) then you understand why a little bit of cyanide isn't a cure.
The biggest problem with cancer is getting the body to recognize they aren't healthy cells, or even part of the "body" in a way they are suppose to be. The secondary problem is impaired immune systems that do recognize the problem. Sometimes the second comes after the first when changes are made, because of the stress on the body.
What the Research Says
Animal and lab studies of amygdalin have mixed results. Several found no benefit, while others suggest the chemical has a slight effect on certain kinds of cancer cells. It might help relieve pain.
To date, there haven't been any "controlled clinical trials" on amygdalin. This means scientists haven't compared people who receive the treatment to people who don't.
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I know absolutely nothing about these subjects, so I ran the thread by my retired chemist/micro biologist friend who said this is mostly hogwash. I'll try to summarize her thoughts, if saliva is acidic you have acid reflux, the blood's pH is buffered by the liver and has nothing to do with what you eat. The major factor in what you eat has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the biome inside you. Sugars and wheat products feed bad bacteria, the healthy foods listed feed the good bacteria. I hope I haven't mischaracterized her statements, but that's what I took away from her half hour discussion with me about it. I'd be interested in the reaction of the intelligent posters we have here in this thread. (Note that I linked the thread to her as an example of the wide ranging knowledge and superior intelligence of our members as she has a general distain for all things audiophile)
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An Italian doctor, Dr. Simoncini treats cancer with Sodium Bicarbonate says cancer is a fungus and treats it that way. He has a very high success rate, higher than chemo. I am sure he is labeled a quack by the AMA, anybody that comes up with an alternative way that is not AMA or FDA approved is called a quack. Here is a link to his book.
http://www.cancerisafungus.com/
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An Italian doctor, Dr. Simoncini treats cancer with Sodium Bicarbonate says cancer is a fungus and treats it that way. He has a very high success rate, higher than chemo. I am sure he is labeled a quack by the AMA, anybody that comes up with an alternative way that is not AMA or FDA approved is called a quack. Here is a link to his book.
http://www.cancerisafungus.com/
Simoncini was tried and found guilty of fraud and manslaughter in 2006 after a patient died receiving his treatment.
In 2018, Simoncini received a 5-year jail sentence for culpable manslaughter of a cancer patient in 2011.
http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2018/01/15/doc-gets-5-yrs-for-treating-cancer_5a91a283-1572-4a99-ac63-5653fcdf5b3a.html (http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2018/01/15/doc-gets-5-yrs-for-treating-cancer_5a91a283-1572-4a99-ac63-5653fcdf5b3a.html)
"Rome, January 15 - An Italian doctor got five and a half years in jail Monday for treating cancer with bicarbonate of soda.
Tullio Simoncini, who has been disbarred, was convicted of treating the brain tumour of a 27-year-old Sicilian, Luca Olivotto, with bicarbonate of soda in a Tirana clinic six years ago.
Simoncini's assistant, radiologist Roberto Gandini, got two years in jail.
Both were found guilty of culpable manslaughter."
Breast Cancer Patient Sylvia Dies After Being Treated by Tullio Simoncini
https://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/sylvia-dies/ (https://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/sylvia-dies/)
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Simoncini was tried and found guilty of fraud and manslaughter in 2006 after a patient died receiving his treatment.
In 2018, Simoncini received a 5-year jail sentence for culpable manslaughter of a cancer patient in 2011.
http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2018/01/15/doc-gets-5-yrs-for-treating-cancer_5a91a283-1572-4a99-ac63-5653fcdf5b3a.html (http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2018/01/15/doc-gets-5-yrs-for-treating-cancer_5a91a283-1572-4a99-ac63-5653fcdf5b3a.html)
"Rome, January 15 - An Italian doctor got five and a half years in jail Monday for treating cancer with bicarbonate of soda.
Tullio Simoncini, who has been disbarred, was convicted of treating the brain tumour of a 27-year-old Sicilian, Luca Olivotto, with bicarbonate of soda in a Tirana clinic six years ago.
Simoncini's assistant, radiologist Roberto Gandini, got two years in jail.
Both were found guilty of culpable manslaughter."
Breast Cancer Patient Sylvia Dies After Being Treated by Tullio Simoncini
https://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/sylvia-dies/ (https://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/sylvia-dies/)
Too bad they don't do that with the AMA medical oncologists. I personally have had several friends die from the chemo. They would all probably drop out of oncology.
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I know absolutely nothing about these subjects, so I ran the thread by my retired chemist/micro biologist friend who said this is mostly hogwash. I'll try to summarize her thoughts, if saliva is acidic you have acid reflux, the blood's pH is buffered by the liver and has nothing to do with what you eat. The major factor in what you eat has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the biome inside you. Sugars and wheat products feed bad bacteria, the healthy foods listed feed the good bacteria. I hope I haven't mischaracterized her statements, but that's what I took away from her half hour discussion with me about it. I'd be interested in the reaction of the intelligent posters we have here in this thread. (Note that I linked the thread to her as an example of the wide ranging knowledge and superior intelligence of our members as she has a general distain for all things audiophile)
Yes indeed Leitroll. If the aim of this thread was to explore what should be considered as part of a healthy diet, it's gone totally off-track, now inexplicably extending out to explore quack cancer treatments. Might be a good time to euthanize the thread.
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Yes indeed Leitroll. If the aim of this thread was to explore what should be considered as part of a healthy diet, it's gone totally off-track, now inexplicably extending out to explore quack cancer treatments. Might be a good time to euthanize the thread.
>>>> Or have a chat with Ozark Tom. He seems to be the primary divergent.
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Too bad they don't do that with the AMA medical oncologists. I personally have had several friends die from the chemo. They would all probably drop out of oncology.
EXACTLY!!!!!! Its a proven fact that Chemo is very dangerous as many people die year round due to the Chemos effects and not the cancer.......even way more dangerous when compared to natural herbs or baking soda etc...….yet when a doctor practices unconventional methods he is considered a quack and if any patient dies he is considered a murderer.....but if using conventional approved methods by the FDA (which is controlled by big Pharmakia) like Chemotherapy you can have thousand upon thousands of patients die and its considered normal with no real repercussions except for the occasional sue job....Once again the success rates of Chemo is very very low while the risks of Chemos side effects is very very high.....but for some reason that is the only treatment approved while any other type of cancer fighting treatment is not approved....I wonder why?....nah it couldn't be because Chemo is a hundred billion dollar industry world wide could it? SMDH :lol:
Yawl ever watch all those info commercials of all these "DRUGS" being pushed on tv every friggen night?......then they list the side effects (so its harder to sue them) like this drug can cause blindness, upper respitory problems, dizziness, fainting, suicidal thoughts ,kidney (renal) failure, stroke and even death...….then after 2 years there are commercials trying to sue those specific drugs due to all the side effects and death like if you suffered from agonizing side effects please call this number so we can help you get the compensation you deserve....How the heck does the FDA pass these (PRESCRIPTION) drugs with so many dangerous side effects but ban B-17 which is readily available legally in certain foods you eat. SMDH
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I know absolutely nothing about these subjects, so I ran the thread by my retired chemist/micro biologist friend who said this is mostly hogwash. I'll try to summarize her thoughts, if saliva is acidic you have acid reflux, the blood's pH is buffered by the liver and has nothing to do with what you eat. The major factor in what you eat has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the biome inside you. Sugars and wheat products feed bad bacteria, the healthy foods listed feed the good bacteria. I hope I haven't mischaracterized her statements, but that's what I took away from her half hour discussion with me about it. I'd be interested in the reaction of the intelligent posters we have here in this thread. (Note that I linked the thread to her as an example of the wide ranging knowledge and superior intelligence of our members as she has a general distain for all things audiophile)
You've just proven to everyone that a healthy diet does work by saying bad acidic foods like sugars and wheat feed "BAD BACTERIA", while healthy alkaline foods feed the good bacteria.....CASE CLOSED
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>>>> Or have a chat with Ozark Tom. He seems to be the primary divergent.
So diets has nothing to do with the very high rates of cancer, ALS, diabetes, and heart disease today? That is a new one on me. Sugar is the number 1 cause of cancer today.
https://www.disclose.tv/sugar-identified-as-a-number-1-cause-of-cancer-surge-in-modern-history-310825
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So diets has nothing to do with the very high rates of cancer, ALS, diabetes, and heart disease today? That is a new one on me. Sugar is the number 1 cause of cancer today.
https://www.disclose.tv/sugar-identified-as-a-number-1-cause-of-cancer-surge-in-modern-history-310825
EXACTLY!!!!!!! Even Cancer treatment centers will tell you to avoid sugar because Cancer THRIVES on sugars which further proves once again that DIET does play a part.
I cant fathom how the rest of you cant see it....don't tell me only OzarkTom and myself veil has been lifted. LOL
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Yawl ever watch all those info commercials of all these "DRUGS" being pushed on tv every friggen night?......then they list the side effects (so its harder to sue them) like this drug can cause blindness, upper respitory problems, dizziness, fainting, suicidal thoughts ,kidney (renal) failure, stroke and even death...….then after 2 years there are commercials trying to sue those specific drugs due to all the side effects and death like if you suffered from agonizing side effects please call this number so we can help you get the compensation you deserve....How the heck does the FDA pass these (PRESCRIPTION) drugs with so many dangerous side effects but ban B-17 which is readily available legally in certain foods you eat. SMDH
The Trump Administration has unveiled a plan to lower prescription drug prices. It’s called the American Patients First Plan and involves forcing pharmaceutical companies to reveal the list price of drugs in television advertisements.