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However, by doing so aren't you adding the resonance of the wood/brass/ceramic into the equation, effectively tuning the system with whatever material you use?
Are these two mutually exclusive? If so, which route to go? Is it the same answer for ALL components or not
In most every other component, drainage actually helps several orders of magnitude more than "isolation". Isolation in audio is like the tooth fairy. It doesn't exist. B
could you elaborate on what you mean by "drainage"? it sounds like you are confusing vibration with a liquid that's only going to flow downwards with the pull of gravity. has someone told you that spikes and cones are "mechanical diodes"? -gary
Here's a question I've been trying to read up on lately and get some information about.There seems to be two general (probably more) theories or camps from what I've found on how components should be, for lack of a better word, mounted on a shelf (or floor/stand in the case of speakers). This is only as it pertains to components and not intended to extend to eliminating all vibration by stapling your cables to wood boards for example. One, is to try and couple it to the shelf media using c ...
Gary, what I'm reading from you is that vibration is the enemy and go to many layers to defeat it. Your sandwich reciepe is similar to those I've seen before. I've read your white paper. The effect that your after (specifically in this instance with Sorthobane) is exactly the same as vibrapods aim at. My question to you then would be, why Sorthobane vs. Vibrapods?
add mass to them, and damp the remaining vibrations, which will pretty much be airborn ones
when it comes to converting mechanical energy (vibrations) to heat, sorbothane works better than any other material i know of
What is drainage? It should be obvious. Drainage is providing outlets for the vibration to leave the component. Faster is better here since we ALL agree that non-sympathetic vibration is bad.
This won't work man. There is no way that energy can escape a component if it's sitting on a bouncy rubber innertube, or whatever else you put it on that doesn't allow vibration to escape. Your components generate a hell of a lot more chaotic, and audible vibration than does your floor.
Therefore, it's the lesser of two evils. You can't attack both if you are in the 99.999 percentile. If you can only choose one, I submit that drainage/coupling is far superior, and that can be proven with listening tests, AND science.
Merely adding mass for the sake of adding mass may damp certain frequencies, but when you lower the resonant frequency, you lengthen the time that an object will vibrate. And they all WILL vibrate regardless of what we do.
Quote: when it comes to converting mechanical energy (vibrations) to heat, sorbothane works better than any other material i know of Can you prove this? I didn't think so. . .
are you talking about vibration due to SPL in the air? the point of the innertube is to isolate the component from vibrations that would come up through whatever is supporting it. and you're right, vibrations aren't going to be dissipated through the tube. that is, in fact, the whole point of my design. -gary
what is this "chaotic vibration", and how is it generated? are you talking about vibration due to SPL in the air?
Your components generate a hell of a lot more chaotic, and audible vibration than does your floor.
no offense, but did you read what i said? try again, and pay special attention to the part where i said "better than any other material i know of".
Gary,Here's where I don't get it about the sandwich theory. Based on this reciepe:ComponentSorthobane (or other) footgraniteinnertuberack shelfIsn't the innertube redundant?
Why wouldn't just the sorthobane footer be enough? If it's going to take the airborne vibrations and convert them to heat isn't it also capable of converting the vibration coming from the rack shelf into heat? And what of the vibration the component itself creates - what happens to those in this equation?
And, I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to learn...
Have you never put your hand on top of a CD player, or even an ultra high-end transport, and felt the vibration the component created? ? ? Even if it's not mechanical vibration, electrical vibration is also something that needs to have an outlet. You even allude to electrical vibration in your "white paper", which is why I am surprised you wouldn't want to couple the component to let that out.
Heh. . That makes sense now. So basically you have a "white paper" on something that you have no phyical evidence of at all, right? And all this "knowledge" in the "white paper" is coming from your own personal listening preferences, and not facts?
I'm sorry man. . . But to date, I know of no one that has been able to measure any amount of vibrational energy being converted to heat with Sorbothane, or anything like that.
I'm not disrespecting or anything, but I would just be a bit more careful when you are presenting things as if they are FACTS, and not just your own preferences, and ideas.
i really think you're hung up on this "drainage"/"mechanical diode" thing.
you can think of the sorbothane footer as a "drain"
my knowledge is coming from my education, background, and studying the issue.
well, sorbothane is used in plenty of industrial applications by plenty of people who have measured its performance quantitatively.
it is a fact that vibration is attenuated when passing through a viscoelastic material such as sorbothane.
no offense, but did you read what i said? try again, and pay special attention to the part where i said "better than any other material i know of". it's pretty easy for me to prove that i don't know of anything that works better. and if you do know of anything that works better than sorbothane in this application i'd certainly like to hear about it.-gary[edited to fix a typo]
I never ever said anything about a "mechanical diode". In fact, I am unaware that such a device exists. But that's just those crazy laws of physics talking. they probably don't really exist anyway. . .
Secondly, it's a completely different thing to measure the "performance" of Sorbothane, and measure its ability to magically morph energy into heat. Basically all Sorbothane does is bounce vibrations which are trying to flow toward the ground (those freaky physicists again!), right back into the component at a different frequency. HOW can that be good?
Excuse me, Hantra and Byteme,but both of your claims can be substantiated or refuted by actual existing measurement technologies. If you use solid state strain gauge accelerometers in two planes you can measure the before and after effect of your various vibration control strategies.
Hantra and Byteme,but both of your claims can be substantiated or refuted by actual existing measurement technologies.
Gary's claims on the other hand can not be proven with science. If they could, he would have come back with some.