Favorite Inexpensive Speaker

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #20 on: 20 Apr 2011, 11:58 pm »
AV123 X Statik.  Available used for around $500. Tight, fast, bass to around 60Hz, mids musical, highs smooth.  I could be very happy with a pair and spend the extra on vinyl. I heard the prototypes (which probably had better crossover components that the production) back to back against the LS9's.  They held their own remarkably well.

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #21 on: 21 Apr 2011, 12:34 am »
Many moons ago, I bought Sequerra Pyramid Metronome 7s on close-out.  I think it was a few dollars over $200.  Enjoyed them while I owned them.

Yeah, me too Phil. The 1983 (or there abouts) retail price on a new pair of Met 7s was $305 dollars. I still have mine in a cupboard somewhere,,,, along with a beat up pair of the T1 ribbon tweeters.

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #22 on: 21 Apr 2011, 12:59 am »
I've enjoyed my Ascend Acoustics CBM-170's for years now.  Well reviewed and since they've reportedly been upgraded.  Very high content value in the guts (not the cheap vinyl cladding) at $340/pair.  Very musical and image like crazy.  Plenty of ultimate spls and dynamics.  Have used them as my mains (with sub) and now as LF/RF in my HT system.

Except for lacking deep/fast bass and some efficiency, they come amazingly close to the $2500/pair full range floorstanders in my main system (that have been highly praised).

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #23 on: 21 Apr 2011, 01:13 am »
I owned a pair of nht super ones a few years back. Bought them for under $200 a pair, and they were $ for $, the best i've heard.

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #24 on: 21 Apr 2011, 02:05 am »
I have used the NHT Super Zeros and although they required the use of a sub they were an outstanding value.  I believe they were only $125. ea new.

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #25 on: 21 Apr 2011, 02:18 am »
AV123 X-LS mini-monitors.  A great sounding speaker!  Started out at $219/pair.  :thumb:

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #26 on: 21 Apr 2011, 02:27 am »
The Insignia's are my favorite in the sub-$100 category.  Also like the TCA WAF-1's and GR Research Paradox 1's (which go used for a few hundred if you can find them).

But my favorite inexpensive speaker is the X-Omni.  Terrific little speaker that will fill up the room w/ sound as long as you can get them off of the walls.

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #27 on: 21 Apr 2011, 04:02 am »
The 90s era Paradigm Titan bookshelf speakers.  The non-removable grilles only added to their allure.

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #28 on: 21 Apr 2011, 04:21 am »
Favorite Inexpensive Speaker.....

Two that come to mind....(under $500.00 per pair)

Usher Audio 520....

And.....Audioengine 5....

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #29 on: 21 Apr 2011, 04:37 am »
Clements

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #30 on: 21 Apr 2011, 04:56 am »
My currently produced small speaker favorite is an E41-B by EMP Tek, an affiliate of RBH Sound.  I bought a pair for my office more than 6 months ago, with their little tube hybrid integrated amp, and just love them.  They have a 4" beryllium driver and silk domed tweeter.  I opted for an upgraded tweeter over the stock, and think I paid about $ 650.  I've not heard any speaker close to that price that generates that clarity.  My oldest son (who's now making some seriously big buck after grad school),  heard them in my office, and when I brought them home for a weekend, and immediately bought a pair. 

Disclosure: I have done some legal work for RBH Sound and Emp Tek, but I paid full retail price for these, as did my son. (Administrator: If I've done something wrong by making this post, please remove it, with my apology.)  I'm just really happy with these speakers.  I'd have paid double the price, frankly.  Beryllium drivers always sound so electrostatically clear to me. 

Only flaw is that there is no deep base, of course.  I have run the signal to them through a dbx sub-harmonic synthesizer, which also has a bass equalizer dial, and one can get some  base out of them at lower volume levels, though it does make the signal less clear because of the extra electronics (though my dbx is probably 30 years old, so it's caps probably need replacing).

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #31 on: 21 Apr 2011, 05:04 am »
If we are including vintage items.... in days of yore when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I worked in audio....

Boston Acoustics A40

Compact, sweet speaker.... the weakness was the tweeter - but they were quite a bit cheaper and more compact than the next step up the A60.

But the A60 was brilliant (also a great buy)

As an aside, I think the A400 from that same range deserves to be up there as one of the great classic speakers - this is a design that is totally forgotten - and sometimes sells used ridiculously cheap.

I don't think I have ever heard Dire Straits Brothers In Arms album sound as good as it did on a pair of A400's.

At the time they were being compared to Quad ESL63's - and yes the 63's won with the detail, the midrange smoothness, even the imaging.... but when it came to the kickdrum, and getting loud rock dynamics happening in a large space - the A400's ruled. (they also took up more space than the 63's which is saying something!)

I saw a pair of these go for $250 about a year back.... wrong country for me though!

bye for now

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #32 on: 21 Apr 2011, 05:05 am »
Can I throw an question in here for the OP.

Can you please define "Inexpensive"?
And also whether this is intended to focus on current new production, or whether used classics are part of the intended speaker group?

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #33 on: 21 Apr 2011, 02:08 pm »
Can I throw an question in here for the OP.

Can you please define "Inexpensive"?
And also whether this is intended to focus on current new production, or whether used classics are part of the intended speaker group?

No rules other than your own guideposts and the one we had to put in about Gedlee Abbeys to keep Jason from posting on every page. 

"There are no rules for this, floorstander, bookshelf, sub, anything with an enclosure.  The price of what is inexpensive is set by you, if you think $1500 is inexpensive fine, if it has to be $300 to be inexpensive, fine too."


However what will make it fun is that you have to justify your choice.  Again ruled by your own guideposts, but for example you might ad in to your excellent post about Boston Acoustics vintage speakers how they compare to modern speakers, or perhaps their current lineup (different company I know, but still might be interesting).  But pretty much what you and others have been posting so far works great, I've been googling up the examples right along, fine suggestions all.

Disclosure: I have done some legal work for RBH Sound and Emp Tek, but I paid full retail price for these, as did my son. (Administrator: If I've done something wrong by making this post, please remove it, with my apology.)

Ha!  Only an attorney would ask this.  But thanks, no you're fine.  You would have to be that manufacturer's principal or company officer to run afoul of site regulations.

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #34 on: 21 Apr 2011, 02:39 pm »
You kinda open yourself up to them.

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #35 on: 21 Apr 2011, 03:14 pm »

However what will make it fun is that you have to justify your choice.  Again ruled by your own guideposts, but for example you might ad in to your excellent post about Boston Acoustics vintage speakers how they compare to modern speakers, or perhaps their current lineup (different company I know, but still might be interesting).  But pretty much what you and others have been posting so far works great, I've been googling up the examples right along, fine suggestions all.

My Audio memory would be stretched to think back to when those babies were new...

I did organise a pair of A70's (or was it A75's) for my brother when he was living in NY - that is over 10 years ago now - I think he still has them in storage somewhere.... (the joys of globetrotting)

Honestly, there are a lot of good speakers that have been made over the years, and most of the good speakers (even some of the great ones) get forgotten.... and rapidly lose value once that happens - so there are bargains to be had.

Another example - Klipsch Forte .... typical traditional old school Klipsch, Horn top end and mid, in this case with standard woofer and passive radiator (bass horns take a lot of room!)...

This is a take no prisoners grab the audience by the throat speaker - but only when driven with a gutsy yet refined amp - 100W minimum (?).
Also this speaker doesn't "wake" up until you give it some stick - play your music loud and it wakes up and sings.... try to play it quietly and it just gets dull....

Whereas the Quad electrostatics - my reference - will play very very quietly indeed without ever losing anything (ambient noise permitting obviously) - which of course allows them to reproduce fabulous micro detail from almost any recording. But they just won't move enough air to thump you in the gut with the bass. It's not that the bass is not there... it is! - especially with the newer 989 - but the earth won't move for you.

Which brings me to value speakers that are true references - Quad Electrostatics...

A vintage ESL57 will not play low down, or high up, but the midrange will make you cry. There is a reason why so many speaker designers have kept a pair of these around for reference....
Essential to have the right amp for them - with impedance dropping below 1ohm they NEED current - but if the voltage rises too high, they will arc and self destruct - so you have to have high current but relatively low voltage (low power).
Quite a few valve amps are a good match, some transistor amps too - these are absolutely legendary - and usually great value - just make sure that they have been looked after, or have a quad specialised tech to look them over.
It is easy to self destruct these with the wrong amp...
I've seen these sell for as low as $500 a pair

Going more recent - the ESL-63 was around for 20 years, and was almost identical to the current 988.

The 63 is much more robust, likes a more powerful amp (doesn't have to have one though), images brilliantly, again limited bass - due to limits of air movement - but the bass that is there is beautiful, detailed, accurate - a reference speaker.
Stereophile rated it class A with the proviso that it was not totally full range due to bass limitations (goes down to only 35Hz.... )
I tried a number of times to match a sub with a pair of these before giving up - no sub could match the sheer speed of the stats, and the end result always sounded wrong.... in the end I bought the later ESL-989 which has an additional pair of bass drivers.

You can usually pick up a pair of these for around $1000 (or a new 988 for about 5 or 6 times the price...) - again the smart thing is to have the panels checked - a wild listener with a powerful amp can cause damage to the panel.

Are these a little finicky - YES
Do they sound brilliant - YES

Positioning - they need a largish room - they like at least 3' / 1m behind them, but are not sensitive to side walls - so you can put them up against the side walls, but you need to provide air behind them.

My Quads left due to lack of space in my current premises .... replaced by a very nice pair of Gallo Nucleus Reference 3.1.

The Gallo's are also good value (the Ref 3.0 and 3.1/3.2 particularly - the current 3.5 is getting pricey) - they are a much newer speaker (reviews on 6Moons) - and side quite a bit like electrostatics - but with bass!
Ultimately they do not have the inner micro detail that the stats can expose... but this is only obvious on highly complex dense music - like symphony orchestras - where the Quads will seperate out the instruments quite clearly, and the Gallo's won't quite achieve it. Compared to the Quads the Gallo's are pretty much indestructible. And they can work well with a wide range of amps - the bass will work best given serious power though. (Anthony Gallo demos them with 500W amps) - should be able to find them under $2000.

Two other completely different speakers worth considering from among the classics, which are sometimes to be found at bargain prices: Klipsch original Klipschorn and LaScala.
Totally different sound to the above - and the Klipschorn requires a room with two corners into which to place them - the horn and the LaScala are true horns for tweeter midrange and woofer. The Horn puts out 114db/W (!!!) - so the key is not "lots" of power, but making sure the power that is delivered is really clean and low noise...
The LaScala's have been used a lot in night clubs - and can sometimes be grabbed used from these premises when they close down....
Again I've seen these speakers (pairs) for between $1000 and $2000.

Browse old (early/mid 80's) audio reviews - look for the very top of the line speakers from back then - and then go hunting for them...
They will mostly sell for under $1000 now, and will (if not hammered by a tyro owner) perform on a par with many of the top speakers of today.

Bye for now & Good luck in your search

David

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #36 on: 21 Apr 2011, 03:29 pm »
Yeah, me too Phil. The 1983 (or there abouts) retail price on a new pair of Met 7s was $305 dollars. I still have mine in a cupboard somewhere,,,, along with a beat up pair of the T1 ribbon tweeters.

Sounds like a good item to trade if there is something of interest to you that someone has.  They also had the woofers they docked onto as well.  I have a couple of things I don't bother to sell for an eventual trade or I've given some of it away.  I've cleared out many items as at one point I had too many things laying around.

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #37 on: 21 Apr 2011, 03:41 pm »
I don't see any rule against buying used so here goes.  I think the best bang for the buck right now is Meadowlark Audio.  Their used value plummeted since their demise and you can get absolutely incredible sound for around $800 with a pair of Shearwater Hot Rods.  Need more "Oooomph!"?  The Heron i's are selling for around $1,750.  Don't need lots of bass?  The Swifts and Kestrels are under $500.  I currently own two models of Meadowlark and am pretty sure I can't do better for what I'd get for them...which is near nothing!

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« Reply #38 on: 21 Apr 2011, 11:28 pm »
I don't see any rule against buying used so here goes.  I think the best bang for the buck right now is Meadowlark Audio.  Their used value plummeted since their demise and you can get absolutely incredible sound for around $800 with a pair of Shearwater Hot Rods.  Need more "Oooomph!"?  The Heron i's are selling for around $1,750.  Don't need lots of bass?  The Swifts and Kestrels are under $500.  I currently own two models of Meadowlark and am pretty sure I can't do better for what I'd get for them...which is near nothing!

The Kestrels were great even at MSRP.  BTW, I wonder how much this thread has increased their price?

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Re: Favorite Inexpensive Speaker
« Reply #39 on: 21 Apr 2011, 11:47 pm »
If we are also talking vintage, then the Dynaco A-25 with a capacitor upgrade is a wonderful sounding bookshelf speaker.   Use to find them in great condition for under $100.  Looking hard you can find mirror image pairs.