Revive the system change thread?

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #180 on: 24 Mar 2012, 01:51 pm »
I'm also considering a Zodiac dac.  I don't need the features of the Gold and it seems the Plus version would be just fine.  Anyone got one I can audition?  I'd hate to part ways with my EE dac prematurely.

Probably appropriate I called this the system change thread.

Didn't Zybar have a GTG last year in which the Bryston DAC and music streamer was compared to the Zodiac Gold?  If I recall, the Bryston was better hands down, and I believe Zybar picked up the Bryston combo.  I just thought I'd throw that out there for you to consider too.  You could order from Audio Advisor and get a 30-day trial if you were so inclined. :)

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #181 on: 24 Mar 2012, 09:10 pm »
Can't wait to see the new speakers.  I think I might swing by the new shop and grab a Salkstream/player if all goes well talking to the boss this week.

Pete,
Let me know when you have time to talk about room design/construction.  If you have time to talk at the shop around these new SS8's that would be great! As you may or may not know, we are building a home in Oakland Twp and we are getting the basement finished.  I will have a dedicated room that is 15' W X 19' D x 9' H.  Plan is to have isolation clips and DD.  Questions would be around the diffraction and and absorption that you found most effective and what you found was needed for power.  What would you have done different/change in your current system from a room perspective.  I have a sub-panel being added to power the future theater and the audio portion of my audio room.  Do you have your sump or other mechanicals in you audio room?

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #182 on: 25 Mar 2012, 07:44 pm »
what dye would you have chosen?




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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #183 on: 25 Mar 2012, 07:46 pm »
any of the top right 3

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #184 on: 25 Mar 2012, 07:46 pm »
I would change quite a bit, especially the power and ground.

Can't wait to see the new speakers.  I think I might swing by the new shop and grab a Salkstream/player if all goes well talking to the boss this week.

Pete,
Let me know when you have time to talk about room design/construction.  If you have time to talk at the shop around these new SS8's that would be great! As you may or may not know, we are building a home in Oakland Twp and we are getting the basement finished.  I will have a dedicated room that is 15' W X 19' D x 9' H.  Plan is to have isolation clips and DD.  Questions would be around the diffraction and and absorption that you found most effective and what you found was needed for power.  What would you have done different/change in your current system from a room perspective.  I have a sub-panel being added to power the future theater and the audio portion of my audio room.  Do you have your sump or other mechanicals in you audio room?

Big Red Machine

Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #185 on: 25 Mar 2012, 07:47 pm »
any of the top right 3

Those were the 3 I chose after seeing the bottom samples first the week earlier.  :wink:

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #186 on: 25 Mar 2012, 09:54 pm »
what dye would you have chosen?




That's great to be able to see various dyes on your veneer.  Do you know what the two in the upper right are called (the silver gray and dark gray)?  I assume the one below is "black"?

It will be interesting to see photos of the finished speaker and compare to the samples - gives more of a sense what happens once you pick one.

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #187 on: 26 Mar 2012, 01:25 pm »
I like the upper three on the right, and the one on the bottom right.  Your SS8's are going to look awesome!

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #188 on: 26 Mar 2012, 02:21 pm »
Basic colors were either used straight or mixed with others to make the oddball colors like purple.  Most are straightforward like black, blue, walnut, red, yellow, and green.  If you lay it on thick it gets more opaque.  Some of them change color based on the veneer underneath.

The silver gray is actually blue lightly applied.  The dark gray is black lightly applied.  The blue will look more tourquoise on the veneer than blue unless put on heavier and then you give up some transparency into the grain pattern.

I think if we had colored the samples vertically instead of horizontally it would look more like the speaker standing up and made it easier to visualize.  But would have used up the area faster.

Marty R. has seen my speakers completely sprayed and I have not.  He says they are expletively awesome. :oops: :thumb:
That's great to be able to see various dyes on your veneer.  Do you know what the two in the upper right are called (the silver gray and dark gray)?  I assume the one below is "black"?

It will be interesting to see photos of the finished speaker and compare to the samples - gives more of a sense what happens once you pick one.

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #189 on: 26 Mar 2012, 03:15 pm »
Ahh, I thought they were standard colors.  I'm debating between using a light veneer with distinctive grain (like you) and using a gray dye or a medium toned wood finished natural.  The leading contender for the latter so far is Tineo - like this:
http://www.salksound.com/home_htm_files/642.jpg

Looking forward to seeing yours.

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #190 on: 27 Mar 2012, 04:44 pm »
Ahh, I thought they were standard colors.  I'm debating between using a light veneer with distinctive grain (like you) and using a gray dye or a medium toned wood finished natural.  The leading contender for the latter so far is Tineo - like this:
http://www.salksound.com/home_htm_files/642.jpg

Looking forward to seeing yours.

I'm not sure I would dy Tineo.  It has variations in color already that givve it great interest.  I almost went clear on mine but it wasn't sexy enough as the color was either tan or the darker grain - no color to speak of.  Wait til you see the next pair of speakers coming up - out of this world veneer looks like a sheet of marble or patina'd copper!!

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #191 on: 27 Mar 2012, 04:54 pm »
Didn't Zybar have a GTG last year in which the Bryston DAC and music streamer was compared to the Zodiac Gold?  If I recall, the Bryston was better hands down, and I believe Zybar picked up the Bryston combo.  I just thought I'd throw that out there for you to consider too.  You could order from Audio Advisor and get a 30-day trial if you were so inclined. :)

You are correct on the GTG and the fact that I (and others) preferred the Bryston DAC to the Zodiac Gold.  I was able to do further comparisons after the GTG (a friend owns the Zodiac Gold) in my system and another system and my opinion hasn't changed.  The Bryston combo is great sounding, easy to use, and is backed by a great company.   

Keep in mind that this viewpoint is within the context of my system and others may (and will) feel differently.  What I am confident in saying is that the Bryston DAC is darn good and a very good value.

Enjoy those new speakers Pete.   :thumb:

George

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #192 on: 27 Mar 2012, 05:09 pm »
So the USB limitations are not a concern for you?  Or is it a moot point if you use the BDP server with it?

I'm kicking around the Metrum Octave, Bryston, Zodiac+, and PS Audio PWD right now.  I see TomS has the Bryston as well.

You are correct on the GTG and the fact that I (and others) preferred the Bryston DAC to the Zodiac Gold.  I was able to do further comparisons after the GTG (a friend owns the Zodiac Gold) in my system and another system and my opinion hasn't changed.  The Bryston combo is great sounding, easy to use, and is backed by a great company.   

Keep in mind that this viewpoint is within the context of my system and others may (and will) feel differently.  What I am confident in saying is that the Bryston DAC is darn good and a very good value.

Enjoy those new speakers Pete.   :thumb:

George

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #193 on: 27 Mar 2012, 05:21 pm »
So the USB limitations are not a concern for you?  Or is it a moot point if you use the BDP server with it?

I'm kicking around the Metrum Octave, Bryston, Zodiac+, and PS Audio PWD right now.  I see TomS has the Bryston as well.

All good candidates Pete.

Given my commitment to the BDP-1 as the source, I wasn't interested in the DAC's performance via USB.  If that is a major use case for you, the Bryston is probably weakest in that area compared to the others.

George

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #194 on: 27 Mar 2012, 05:30 pm »
So the USB limitations are not a concern for you?  Or is it a moot point if you use the BDP server with it?

I'm kicking around the Metrum Octave, Bryston, Zodiac+, and PS Audio PWD right now.  I see TomS has the Bryston as well.
The BDP1 uses S/PDIF into the BDA1 so USB isn't needed there. I use an Audiophilleo 1 USB to S/PDIF converter into the my BDA1 via BNC so I have full 24/192 USB capability with Linux, OSX, or W7 if I want. No special software or switching is needed with native support in Linux. I use MPad on iPad as the controller for MPD server. It is all very seamless.

One of the really nice features of the BDA1 is multiple inputs (2 coax, 2 bnc, 2 optical, 1 usb) with remote switching if you want. I have an Apple Airport Express on one of my optical inputs to stream internet radio, Spotify, Pandora, low bit rate stuff using Airplay/Airfoil wireless from any of the Macs/iPods/iPads in the house.

I'm looking forward to seeing those speakers. I'd pick the dark gray second from the right on top ;-) It's a good look with the Samsons.

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #195 on: 27 Mar 2012, 05:32 pm »
I'm not sure I would dy Tineo.  It has variations in color already that givve it great interest.  I almost went clear on mine but it wasn't sexy enough as the color was either tan or the darker grain - no color to speak of.  Wait til you see the next pair of speakers coming up - out of this world veneer looks like a sheet of marble or patina'd copper!!
I didn't write very clearly.  If I went with Tineo, it would be natural finish.  The other possibility is to get a light wood with interesting grain and use a gray dye.

"next pair of speakers coming up"  - do you mean yours?  I'm looking forward to seeing some other finishes in the SS8.  I've only seen the red paint finish so far.  I'm sure the appearance will be of a vastly different character. 

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Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #196 on: 27 Mar 2012, 05:38 pm »
I think those crazy finish ones are supercharged ST's.  Amazing.

Not sure what the next SS8 finish will be.

Mine will be wild and you'll either love 'em or hate 'em.

I can't take delivery until Saturday as Jim is demo'ing them this week on Friday for a client.  I have only seen a teaser photo I begged him for.  I'm excited like Tebow!

I didn't write very clearly.  If I went with Tineo, it would be natural finish.  The other possibility is to get a light wood with interesting grain and use a gray dye.

"next pair of speakers coming up"  - do you mean yours?  I'm looking forward to seeing some other finishes in the SS8.  I've only seen the red paint finish so far.  I'm sure the appearance will be of a vastly different character.

Big Red Machine

Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #197 on: 27 Mar 2012, 05:40 pm »
I'm thinking SalkStream unit so USB would be important, although one of those devices out front would suffice nicely.

Did you happen to audition any other dacs Tom?  I have another set of opamps coming to try in my EE dac but with new speakers, a new PC unit, and op amps, I will be overloading with too many changes.

The BDP1 uses S/PDIF into the BDA1 so USB isn't needed there. I use an Audiophilleo 1 USB to S/PDIF converter into the my BDA1 via BNC so I have full 24/192 USB capability with Linux, OSX, or W7 if I want. No special software or switching is needed with native support in Linux. I use MPad on iPad as the controller for MPD server. It is all very seamless.

One of the really nice features of the BDA1 is multiple inputs (2 coax, 2 bnc, 2 optical, 1 usb) with remote switching if you want. I have an Apple Airport Express on one of my optical inputs to stream internet radio, Spotify, Pandora, low bit rate stuff using Airplay/Airfoil wireless from any of the Macs/iPods/iPads in the house.

I'm looking forward to seeing those speakers. I'd pick the dark gray second from the right on top ;-) It's a good look with the Samsons.

TomS

Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #198 on: 27 Mar 2012, 05:54 pm »
I'm thinking SalkStream unit so USB would be important, although one of those devices out front would suffice nicely.

Did you happen to audition any other dacs Tom?  I have another set of opamps coming to try in my EE dac but with new speakers, a new PC unit, and op amps, I will be overloading with too many changes.
I honestly haven't auditioned from the latest crop. The BDA1 has been here going on 3 years now and I've never felt the need to displace it. Adding the AP1 for USB just made it that much better than using various Squeeze flavors as a source. I have the AP1 VLC battery upgrade on the way now as well so am hoping for a little improvement from that.

I posted over on the Salk discussion board with questions on the streamer about a month ago and never got a response :scratch: so I'm sticking with the Alix/Voyage Linux MPD source for now.

Big Red Machine

Re: Revive the system change thread?
« Reply #199 on: 27 Mar 2012, 09:58 pm »
I liked these connectors so much I bought another set and now have built a set of cables to connect the dac to pre and the longggggg ones to connect the pre to the mono blocks.

Some photos of the newest pair burning in and the long pair.  Also the matching speaker cables.

The IC's are 5 14ga solid copper and one 24ga solid silver per leg.  The SC's are 6 pieces of solid 14 ga copper per pole.













Building new cables with these very cool Bocchino B19 connectors. 

These are very easy to work with.  A pass through to fed the center pin and separate cavity for the shell connections, each with their own set screws.

Solid copper - the write-up on them:

Both the center pin and body are machined from 100% pure solid C110 copper billet on a CNC lathe.

The center pin is plated with 3 microns of silver and then 3 microns of gold then fully polished and the body is plated with 3 microns of silver and then another 3 microns of silver and it too is fully polished. The silver sub-plating prevents the copper from leaching through to the outer plating. This is an extremely time consuming and expensive process and basically makes these connectors fine jewelry.

No solder - all done with stainless steel non-magnetic set screws.

The sound combines the body of copper, the color and texture of gold and the speed, detail and air of silver.