how do you measure toe in?

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ratso

how do you measure toe in?
« on: 23 Jan 2011, 03:03 pm »
feel a little silly asking, but i honestly don't know. other than eyeballing of course.




Charles Xavier

Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #1 on: 23 Jan 2011, 03:17 pm »
feel a little silly asking, but i honestly don't know. other than eyeballing of course.






Great question . I tried one of those also but don't know if its what you use

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #2 on: 23 Jan 2011, 03:21 pm »
My method is measure the distance from the front inside corner of the speaker to the wall behind, measure the distance from the outside rear corner of the speaker to the rear wall and figure the difference. Repeat for the other speaker. This does not tell me the angle but I can get the same toe in on each side, which is what I'm after.

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #3 on: 23 Jan 2011, 03:39 pm »
FWIW, I use a laser lever held flush against the inside wall of the speakers to aim them at my listening spot.  However, I listen near-field (~8') in a constrained (i.e. small, oddly shaped) room, so YMMV.  Good luck. Cordially,

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #4 on: 23 Jan 2011, 03:40 pm »
I just measure and matchthe distance of the inside and outside back corners of each speaker to the wall behind them.

Wayner

Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #5 on: 23 Jan 2011, 04:00 pm »
I like measuring from the rear wall to a corner of the speaker, repeating the process with the other one. Another method would be to run a string from one speaker's outside corner to the other one. Then use a protractor and measure the angle between the speaker front and the string. At least you will have the speaker toe-in the same, as the back wall may be uneven.

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #6 on: 23 Jan 2011, 04:53 pm »
FWIW, I use a laser lever held flush against the inside wall of the speakers to aim them at my listening spot.  However, I listen near-field (~8') in a constrained (i.e. small, oddly shaped) room, so YMMV.  Good luck. Cordially,

I use a combination of a small t-square and laser level.  This allows me to really dial things in and makes for a simple and repeatable process.

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #7 on: 23 Jan 2011, 05:01 pm »
My method is measure the distance from the front inside corner of the speaker to the wall behind, measure the distance from the outside rear corner of the speaker to the rear wall and figure the difference. Repeat for the other speaker. This does not tell me the angle but I can get the same toe in on each side, which is what I'm after.

I do the same thing.

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #8 on: 23 Jan 2011, 05:13 pm »
I like measuring from the rear wall to a corner of the speaker, repeating the process with the other one. Another method would be to run a string from one speaker's outside corner to the other one. Then use a protractor and measure the angle between the speaker front and the string. At least you will have the speaker toe-in the same, as the back wall may be uneven.

Wayner

The wall behind the speakers certainly appears to be even, and from my sitting position the speakers appear to have the same toe-in, but I may try the string technique to see how accurate it actually is.  Would a slight toe-in difference between the speakers even be audible?  My guess would be probably not unless the speakers have very narrow/uneven disbursion characteristics.

AB

Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #9 on: 23 Jan 2011, 05:17 pm »
I tape a length of string between the front baffles of the speakers - outside edge to outside edge. When the string touches both front baffles evenly, the speakers are facing perfectly forward, i.e no toe in.

I adjust toe in by moving each speaker and measuring the gap (on the inside baffles edges where it's the greatest) from string to baffle on each. If the gap is the same, the toe in is the same.

You still need to measure distances so that you do not inadvertently shift the speakers' positions but I have found this system allows you to match toe in quickly.

Edit : Sorry, I didnt read Wayners full post. I do what he does.

charmerci

Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #10 on: 23 Jan 2011, 06:15 pm »
Eh, I just "eyeball" it! I just aim the speakers, (repeat as necessary to find the ideal angle) then I put on a mono recording and move my head left to right till I find the exact center!  :lol:

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #11 on: 23 Jan 2011, 06:27 pm »
Eh, I just "eyeball" it! I just aim the speakers, (repeat as necessary to find the ideal angle) then I put on a mono recording and move my head left to right till I find the exact center!  :lol:

You can use this Cd.... :wink:

ratso

Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #12 on: 23 Jan 2011, 06:36 pm »
had to read it twice to visualize it (yes i'm kind of slow) but i like wayner's method - neat and simple.  :thumb:

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #13 on: 25 Jan 2011, 09:07 pm »


 :lol: :duh: :thumb:


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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #14 on: 25 Jan 2011, 09:19 pm »
Cheap method:  Tape measure

Expensive method:  Leica laser

Both work about equally well, but anything with a Leica badge is like catnip for me...   :)

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #15 on: 25 Jan 2011, 09:26 pm »

 :lol: :duh: :thumb:

ahhhh, the "cankle" method.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Very clever there talkinggoat.  :wink:

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #16 on: 25 Jan 2011, 09:49 pm »
As long as the wheel is within + / - .005" this has always worked really well.  Consistency is key though.





For speakers I use a protractor and some string.

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #17 on: 25 Jan 2011, 09:51 pm »
...other than eyeballing of course.




Ah... works for me. You could use a laser pointer if you want to be high tech for no other reason than that "you can". Of course, it'll need to be an audiophile approved green laser.
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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #18 on: 25 Jan 2011, 10:22 pm »
I do what Jim does.  I eyeball it.  And then after the the left toe goes in I shake it all about!!

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Re: how do you measure toe in?
« Reply #19 on: 25 Jan 2011, 11:41 pm »
BRM - That's funny stuff right there, I don't care who you are.