Latest N3S Build

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Latest N3S Build
« on: 23 Dec 2010, 06:12 pm »
I just finished up on a pair of N3S yesterday evening and connected them to my system this morning. They have all the performance upgrade options (Sonicap capacitors, Mills resistors, No-Rez) plus Platinum bypass caps too. They really sound great. Very detailed and transparent with excellent imaging and depth. Both the N3S and the N3 TL towers use the same drivers and crossovers so from approximately 65 hz and above they sound identical. The N3 TL's have lower and more prominent bass due to their transmission line loading. In comparison to the N2X the N3S has higher sensitivity, greater power handling capability,and better dynamic range. To me, the bass resonse seems to be a little bit better too.

Attached are some pictures taken during the assembly. I built these mainly  because I just enjoy building speakers. If anyone might be interested in buying these  just send me a PM.














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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #1 on: 23 Dec 2010, 09:24 pm »
...tempting...

but I must resist.



must resist. :banghead:

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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #2 on: 23 Dec 2010, 09:32 pm »
Are there bypass caps on the low pass filter as well?  I ordered some Platinums and am getting four.  If there is a bypass on the lowpass wouldn't I need six?  :scratch:

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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #3 on: 23 Dec 2010, 10:26 pm »
The platinums are best used on the tweeter caps as they are in the signal path. 

The woofer caps can be bypassed with Gen II sonicaps as they are parallel to the woofers and don't affect the signal as much.

At least that's my understanding. :wink:


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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #4 on: 23 Dec 2010, 10:27 pm »
Are there bypass caps on the low pass filter as well?  I ordered some Platinums and am getting four.  If there is a bypass on the lowpass wouldn't I need six?  :scratch:

Ron & some others are using the cheaper Gen II bypass capacitor for the N2x woofer.  It's smaller, but you can see the Gen II bypass cap on the low pass filter network per cool  photo that Ron posted above. 

Ron

Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #5 on: 23 Dec 2010, 10:30 pm »
Since the most benefit from using Platinum bypass capacitors is realized in the mid/higher frequency range Danny recommends using the Platinum caps on the two (2) high pass filter capacitors and a .1 uf Gen. 2 Sonicap on the single low pass filter capacitor. You could use a Platinum bypass on the low pass filter but it would cost more and I don't think the improvement would be enough to justify the extra expense. Previous speaker systems that I have built with Platinum bypass caps were all done the way Danny suggested and it worked very well. 

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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #6 on: 23 Dec 2010, 11:25 pm »
The frequency range that the bypass caps carry is above what is handled by the woofer so in that application they are just helping the capacitor to discharge faster. Whereas, in the tweeter they are actually carrying an audible portion of the frequency. Use the Gen 2 that I sent you in the low pass network and you will be golden.  :thumb:

That is my understanding anyway.  :green:

Are there bypass caps on the low pass filter as well?  I ordered some Platinums and am getting four.  If there is a bypass on the lowpass wouldn't I need six?  :scratch:

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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #7 on: 23 Dec 2010, 11:26 pm »

Nice speakers Ron.

Was wondering how you attatch the grill cloth? Any pictures?

Thanks

Rocket_Ronny

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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #8 on: 24 Dec 2010, 02:20 am »
 I attach the grill cloth by first spraying the back side of the grill frame with 3M Brand No. 77 spray adhesive available at most home improvement stores like Lowes and Home Depot. Cut the grill cloth approximately 2-3 inches larger than the grill frame all the way around. Lay the grill frame face down on the grill cloth and stretch over the back side of the frame doing one side and then the opposite side pressing firming to make sure the cloth sticks to the frame. Trim the excess grill cloth with a utility knife. Once the grill cloth is attached I like to go back over the attached areas with a clothes iron set on medium heat.

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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #9 on: 24 Dec 2010, 12:27 pm »
I can attest for the build quality of Ron's speakers. I bought a pair of N3S in the same cherry finish this past year from Ron and the speakers look and sound fantastic!!! :green:

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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #10 on: 24 Dec 2010, 01:17 pm »
I may be interested. Can you email me at cache10@att.net

se-riously

Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #11 on: 15 Feb 2011, 11:28 pm »
Ron,

I'm getting ready to build my first N3S.  Looking at the placement of the 2 XO boards, it looks like they rest on Brace A, blocking the 3" holes.  Is it OK to block them?
Bryant




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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #12 on: 15 Feb 2011, 11:31 pm »
Ron,

I'm getting ready to build my first N3S.  Looking at the placement of the 2 XO boards, it looks like they rest on Brace A, blocking the 3" holes.  Is it OK to block them?

Bryant




It is a sealed box so you are not really blocking any air flow.

I personally use one crossover board and mount it in the floor of the enclosure, but what Ron did above is also fine.

se-riously

Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #13 on: 15 Feb 2011, 11:38 pm »
Thanks Danny.  Also, do you install No Rez all the way to the edge of the front baffle, or a couple of inches back (like as shown in the TL version)?




Danny Richie

Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #14 on: 15 Feb 2011, 11:42 pm »
Thanks Danny.  Also, do you install No Rez all the way to the edge of the front baffle, or a couple of inches back (like as shown in the TL version)?



Just like in the drawing.

Ron

Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #15 on: 16 Feb 2011, 01:49 am »
 The No-Rez should placed between 1-1/4 to 1-1/2" back from the rear side of the front baffle board. Danny is correct that placing the crossovers over the 3" diameter holes in the upper and lower braces will not be an issue since the cabinets are sealed. Also, I use 1/4" thick rubber washers at all four (4) corners of the crossover boards between the bottom of the crossover boards and the braces.

Ron

hotjt133

Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #16 on: 26 Mar 2011, 02:57 am »
Just like in the drawing.

Hi, forgive me to bring up this old thread. I have the same question on the N3 TL box. The plan only shows the length of No Rez on the top side. And I measure by the scale of the plan it's about 7.7", eg 2.3" from the rear side of the front baffle. Is it correct?

Also there is no drawings to show the length of all side mounted No Rez. Are they the same as the top one?

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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #17 on: 26 Mar 2011, 06:10 am »
Hi, forgive me to bring up this old thread. I have the same question on the N3 TL box. The plan only shows the length of No Rez on the top side. And I measure by the scale of the plan it's about 7.7", eg 2.3" from the rear side of the front baffle. Is it correct?

1.5" - 2" is room enough.

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Also there is no drawings to show the length of all side mounted No Rez. Are they the same as the top one?

You got it. The side pieces are set back the same distance from the baffle.

Ruben

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Re: Latest N3S Build
« Reply #18 on: 26 Mar 2011, 07:30 am »
1.5" - 2" is room enough.

You got it. The side pieces are set back the same distance from the baffle.

Ruben

Thanks Ruben. That's what I thought.

Now my box is completed. I wish Danny could update whether my order is shipped?