[satfrat]

So, an 8 step plan to get you into the poor house. And if you have a home theater system, well, our first Ground Plain product will be an even greater enticement than are the Ground Controls.

Bud

 
The poor house, hea?
 
 
That said, you stated in the few posts back that it's easy to go overboard with these grounding wires and stated {Even GC's can be used to an extreme, with no more than two being recommended for any stage in the reproduction chain, but their use will not interfere with any other stage in that chain.} So would you say that from the CDP to the Preamp to be considered 1 stage, from the Preamp to the Amp being 1 stage, and from the Amp to the Loudspeakers being yet 1 more stage? And with no more than 2 grounding devices per stage, having 6 CD to loudspeaker grounding devices would be considered the optimal usage of these grounding devices? Thanks.
 
Cheers,
Robin

[davidrs]

Have to congratulate and recognize BudP for the time and energy he has put in explaining this tweak, the details offered and the direct help with the diy approach.

Hope some of us following this thread (myself included) support him with some purchases of his commercial tweak or other products he may have on offer, now and in the future.

I do not see anywhere near the support from the the other 'mind blowing' purveyor in this regard on that thread, yet there seem to be a number of purchases of that tweak.

Just saying... - support has value.

Thanks Bud.

- David.

[satfrat]

This question is not for nor is it against and is asked out of well meant curiosity. Seriously, 

I've been curious as well regarding the EVS Ground Enhancers and will either try it via the diy recipe route or pick up a couple of pairs.

Am curious about another aspect - that is how much of a role we are playing in this?

I know I'm going down the psycho-acoustic rabbit-hole, but nontheless....

curious about what those of you have used them would say, in case you have wondered the same?

Maybe you find your answers here David. 
 
Cheers,
Robin

[BudP]

Satfrat.

Yes, that is what I have in my system, though I do have an extra pair on the plate amps running my sub woofer boxes.

By the way, remember my mention of Planet 10 Hi Fi? My entire speaker system is from them, so I wasn't just being kind to a friend. Their finished goods are exceptional and they will sell you pre cut kits for the boxes and treated drivers to go in them. We are talking superior to world class sound.

http://www.planet10-hifi.com/

Bud

[jtwrace]

Bud,

What are your thoughts on Cat 5e wire for this? 

[satfrat]

Satfrat.

Yes, that is what I have in my system, though I do have an extra pair on the plate amps running my sub woofer boxes.

By the way, remember my mention of Planet 10 Hi Fi? My entire speaker system is from them, so I wasn't just being kind to a friend. Their finished goods are exceptional and they will sell you pre cut kits for the boxes and treated drivers to go in them. We are talking superior to world class sound.

http://www.planet10-hifi.com/

Bud

An RCA ground on the subwoofer too? Now I hadn't even thought of that.     Do you recommend RCA grounds to be used as pairs, say right/left analog verses just using 1 per component? 6-8 grounding devices in a system isn't too bad, definitely a system target to shoot for I guess.
 
Planet 10,,, very nice Lab Circle Ad also. 
 
Cheers,
Robin

[Wind Chaser]

Could there be any correlation between GC efficacy and impedance? 

[BudP]

What are your thoughts on Cat 5e wire for this?

That Windchasers findings are within the realm of my expectations. Too much of an insulation material aimed at different characteristics than what is in GC's and a poor control over materials tuneability, for a neutral response. Good experiment, but you can have more and better and also worse.

Do you recommend RCA grounds to be used as pairs, say right/left analog verses just using 1 per component?

Depends upon the internal ground structure. Most commercial stuff has common input and output grounds and both channels tied together. In this case one RCA will work. Two will provide more and maybe three, but probably not. For separate components, with common input to output grounds, it doesn't matter which type you use, RCA or Lugs, but two is still a max in most cases.

Could there be any correlation between GE efficacy and impedance?

Yup.

Bud

[Wind Chaser]

So would a higher impedance yield a more substantial dividend?

[satfrat]

Thank you very much Bud. 
 
Cheers,
Robin

[Wind Chaser]

Have to congratulate and recognize BudP for the time and energy he has put in explaining this tweak, the details offered and the direct help with the diy approach.

Hope some of us following this thread (myself included) support him with some purchases of his commercial tweak or other products he may have on offer, now and in the future.

I do not see anywhere near the support from the the other 'mind blowing' purveyor in this regard on that thread, yet there seem to be a number of purchases of that tweak.

Just saying... - support has value.

Thanks Bud.

- David.

David,

Thanks for the clarification.  So in essence there are 3 avenues to this technology.

- The first being through Bud, the innovator who has done all the work and R&D who also markets his own product.
- The second approach is through a competitor who may or may not be affiliated with Bud.
- The third approach being DIY.

Considering the significance / effectiveness of this tweak, I’d say it’s only fair that Bud receives some form of compensation. 

[Wind Chaser]

Bud,

You probably have already posted a link to your website somewhere in one of these threads, but could you send it to me in a PM.

John

[davidrs]

David,

Thanks for the clarification.  So in essence there are 3 avenues to this technology.

- The first being through Bud, the innovator who has done all the work and R&D who also markets his own product.
- The second approach is through a competitor who may or may not be affiliated with Bud.
- The third approach being DIY.

Considering the significance / effectiveness of this tweak, I’d say it’s only fair that Bud receives some form of compensation.

Hi John,

I am not sure as to all the avenues, but the ones you mention sound, well, sound!

Posted what I did since I clearly noticed the support Bud was providing to the members on the diy side, as well as to some, in terms of explanations, who have purchased from the other source.

Therefore, the point. Thanks for picking up on it. I personally have learned quite a bit on this particular thread. So once again, thanks Bud.

I only speak for myself: I do put a value on support and am willing to pay a premium for it. Had it not been for this thread, I would not have been exposed to BudP's work and I, for one, will keep that in mind for any future purchases, for this tweak or another offering.

Can only hope for something similar factoring into other member's decisions.

- David.

[BudP]

So would a higher impedance yield a more substantial dividend?

Nope. You want to entice those tiny electrons into your noose and a big step up is not the way to do so, remember you are competing with mother earth for primacy, or at least equality in choice of where information enhanced AC signal is going to go, dragging their favorite electrons with them. You want the hole they fall into to be wide and deep.

Bud

[SCooper]

Here is a report on VMPS RM40. These are a DIY. I used three runs of 40/44 Litz and followed the recipe on the circle.
First let me explain I installed Litz wire internal on the panels and tweeter a long time ago. Also moved the xovers to external units and replaced the upper range inductors with Solen Litz componets.

Bi amp BAT75 on top Parasound ss on bottom.

Now to the tweek.
Followed B's advice and installed on the panels after the xover on neg terminal. Copying from one of BudP earlier posts "the result is a suddenly murky and dulled sound." and that was exactly what I experienced. Evidently too much Litz in the system ?
Moved on and placed on the bass after the xover.  nice improvement.  added to amp end, again nice improvement. 
Next, build more units and do CDP and tuner. May try on amp end of the BAT amp.

[BudP]

"the result is a suddenly murky and dulled sound." and that was exactly what I experienced. Evidently too much Litz in the system ?

Assuming this is true Litz, where every strand is insulated from every other by a VERY thin coating (you want what is called "single build" coating) and no additional insulation on or within an inch of the wire, then yes, and cut the amount of wire by 1/3 in length, assuming you had 6 inches in a loop to begin with.

Bud

[BudP]

- The second approach is through a competitor who may or may not be affiliated with Bud.

Nope, no affiliation, but as far as I know, no animosity either. In fact, I am planning that our first Ground Plain product be one that can be matched with our esteemed competitors product, to provide something quite special.

Bud

[SCooper]

Assuming this is true Litz, where every strand is insulated from every other by a VERY thin coating (you want what is called "single build" coating) and no additional insulation on or within an inch of the wire, then yes, and cut the amount of wire by 1/3 in length, assuming you had 6 inches in a loop to begin with.

Bud

Yes, true Litz, unserved and am not aware of single or double build.
Should I try without the cotton sleeve  ? I will try reducing the six in. to four.
Thanks;

Stu

[BudP]

The cotton sleeve is moderately important. Removal will make a difference in what you hear of hall sounds. So, quite subtle, until you start to add in threads of other materials, as you would find in hollow woven cords from female oriented hobby shops. Things will change pretty drastically with the addition of just 10% Orlon thread to the cotton. I would leave the cotton on personally and I would try both removal of a third of the strands or cutting them all by 1/3 in length, if you have enough material to play with. Again, some subtle differences will be found.

Bud

[Mike B.]

Nope, no affiliation, but as far as I know, no animosity either. In fact, I am planning that our first Ground Plain product be one that can be matched with our esteemed competitors product, to provide something quite special.

Bud

Bud, I come for the academic world.  There, and in most of the written and visual arts someone copying work would be called out for plagiarism. That is assuming the item was a close copy in form and function. I hope the competitor for this item makes a product with significant variations from your offering?