Anyone using an e-reader?

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #100 on: 7 Aug 2010, 04:35 am »
I love e-ink and will still consider buying an e ink device when the technology has matured further.  Meanwhile, the iPad lets me have my cake and eat it too, to some extent.
There isn't much maturing e-ink needs to do for me.  It is a perfect substitute for a paperback.  Same weight, and just as easy to read.  I am not overly concerned that color pdf's can't be read...the other merits outweigh that consideration.  Much like if someone wants an ipad, lack of unlimited data plan or ability to run full programs isn't a concern. 

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #101 on: 7 Aug 2010, 07:30 am »
Can you have the last couple of lines of the previous page wrap around to the top of the next page? 

This is how most every web browser and word processor works when you press page down.  The jetbook could not do this, and it greatly frustrated me, and when I asked on the developer's forum whether this could be implemented as an option, I was shot down pretty harshly.  This feature is key to my reading smoothly and without page turn interruption.  This becomes critical to me when the page turns aren't instantaneous.  I will hit the page turn button before I reach the end of the page so that when the page finally turns, I can continue reading without having to wait for the button response.  Keep in mind that the jetbook turns pages much more quickly than e-ink.  The problem is if I don't finish the last line completely, I will be totally lost on the next page, and you can't always hit the timing right on the nose, because sometimes you read faster, sometimes slower, and sometimes the device just doesn't respond as quickly/slowly.  If you simply wrapped a line or two, problem solved, because your window for seamless reading has just been greatly expanded.  I believe this is especially critical with smaller screens, while the jetbook forumites shot me down saying that they didn't want to "lose text" from the screen because it was so small.  With my reading technique, you don't need a lot of text on the screen because you never stop and wait for the page turn, but they didn't get it.  That's how I read many dozens of books on my old Nintendo DS Lite, with it's tiny 2.5" screen.  I didn't even use both top and bottom screens, I just used a single screen.  The screen size vs. page turn ratio never bothered me at all because I never had to stop reading.  Perfect smooth transitions every time.  Well, I couldn't get that implemented on the jetbook, and I'm not sure if you can or not on the e-ink products.  It's not an issue for me on the ipad because either the screen is larger, the pages turn like a real book, or progs like Readdle scroll like a webpage.  Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?  Basically, when I read with a couple lines wrapped, I never EVER wait for a page turn, making it virtually faster than instant.  Those jetbook guys just didn't get it.  As a result, I've read many dozens of books on my Nintendo DS Lite, while I gave up on the jetbook after about 2 books.

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #102 on: 7 Aug 2010, 03:39 pm »
Can you have the last couple of lines of the previous page wrap around to the top of the next page? 

This is how most every web browser and word processor works when you press page down.  The jetbook could not do this, and it greatly frustrated me, and when I asked on the developer's forum whether this could be implemented as an option, I was shot down pretty harshly.  This feature is key to my reading smoothly and without page turn interruption.  This becomes critical to me when the page turns aren't instantaneous.

The jetbook (from the demo I saw)  was much slower than the new kindle or nook.  But even were I to turn a real book page that slow, I don't need to re-read the last sentence of the previous paragraph.  New software brings faster page turn, rather than wrap-around.  E-ink has matured past what jetbook offers.  Again, I opt for the 6"  screen to alleviate a lot of that to begin with.

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #103 on: 7 Aug 2010, 04:24 pm »
I currently have an iPhone with a $30/month unlimited data plan from AT&T.  If I get an iPad, do I have to also pay for  an additional data plan.  If yes, would I be able to get the $30/month unlimited data plan for the iPad as an existing customer?

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #104 on: 7 Aug 2010, 04:35 pm »
I currently have an iPhone with a $30/month unlimited data plan from AT&T.  If I get an iPad, do I have to also pay for  an additional data plan.  If yes, would I be able to get the $30/month unlimited data plan for the iPad as an existing customer?
If you already have a $30/unl data plan, you can get grandfathered to keep it on new purchases.  Just ask (This is done by calling, not at an apple store or BB).

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #105 on: 7 Aug 2010, 05:41 pm »
The jetbook (from the demo I saw)  was much slower than the new kindle or nook.  But even were I to turn a real book page that slow, I don't need to re-read the last sentence of the previous paragraph.  New software brings faster page turn, rather than wrap-around.  E-ink has matured past what jetbook offers.  Again, I opt for the 6"  screen to alleviate a lot of that to begin with.

I don't re-read anything.  When the page turns, my eyes just focus to the top of the screen and keep on going.  Because the lines wrap, I don't have to wait for a page turn.  Here's another way of explaining it: the page turns before I have finished reading the page, but it doesn't phase me a bit because the last line or two are repeated at the top.  If the lines don' repeat, then you're caught up in a game pf timing the page turn.  I'm talking about small fractions Of a second, it's a huge deal.  Once you have tried this technique, you won't be going back. 

As evidence of how established this concept is, evenly the lowly Notepad app in Windows wraps in this manner.

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #106 on: 7 Aug 2010, 07:17 pm »
I don't re-read anything.  When the page turns, my eyes just focus to the top of the screen and keep on going.  Because the lines wrap, I don't have to wait for a page turn.  Here's another way of explaining it: the page turns before I have finished reading the page, but it doesn't phase me a bit because the last line or two are repeated at the top.  If the lines don' repeat, then you're caught up in a game pf timing the page turn.  I'm talking about small fractions Of a second, it's a huge deal.  Once you have tried this technique, you won't be going back. 

As evidence of how established this concept is, evenly the lowly Notepad app in Windows wraps in this manner.
Well, LCD's are pretty fast compared to e-ink.  But again, the newest readers are significantly faster than jetbook, with a larger viewing area.  You can probably lop off 3/4 of the page flip time between the jetbook and new readers.

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #107 on: 7 Aug 2010, 08:30 pm »
The reading technique I'm bringing up works irrespective of screen tech.  For example, I use it with my NDS, which has basically page turn delay in the millisecond range, like a computer monitor.  Your reading speed and reaction time are the deciding factors with this technique.  It eliminates the technology bottleneck.  For example, if the device were to have a ludicrous 4 second page turn, I would make the several lines wrap to the top of the next page.  That way, whenever I approach the last several lines, I hit the page turn button, and as long as the page turns before I finish reading the page, I can just jump to the top of the next page and keep reading without interruption.  The 4 second page turn is negated.

The larger screen undoubtedly helps.  The smaller and more narrow the screen, the more this technique becomes essential.  But really, with so many PC text processors having this feature, I find it disappointing that the e-book reader manufacturers haven't been willing to make this "compromise" at least an option.

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« Reply #108 on: 7 Aug 2010, 08:40 pm »
My one and only e-reader is my new Droid X.  I have one e-book on it, which is "Kitchen Confidential" by Anthony Bourdain.

I have been surprised at how easy it is to read a book on the Droid X!  Not exclusive to the Droid X, of course, but it is nice to read at night, in bed in any position, and the only thing I have to do is push a button on the phone to turn it off, vs. only being able to read in a limited area ('old-fashioned book') with a lamp.


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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #109 on: 7 Aug 2010, 08:50 pm »
My one and only e-reader is my new Droid X.  I have one e-book on it, which is "Kitchen Confidential" by Anthony Bourdain.

I have been surprised at how easy it is to read a book on the Droid X!  Not exclusive to the Droid X, of course, but it is nice to read at night, in bed in any position, and the only thing I have to do is push a button on the phone to turn it off, vs. only being able to read in a limited area ('old-fashioned book') with a lamp.


Paul
The same for the iphone 4.  VERY high resolution display and very crisp.  The downside is a 3"  viewing area.

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« Reply #110 on: 7 Aug 2010, 09:15 pm »
Ok, I finally thought of an appropriate analogy.  Think of buffering levels in a video game.  In the old days, you had to load levels (wait for page turns.)  Newer games now actively stream and buffer around the player so that level loading (page turns) is eliminated.  The wrapped lines are the buffer.  Now, no matter how fast the machine, no matter how fast the level loading is (page turns are) buffering and no loading is always more seamless.

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #111 on: 8 Aug 2010, 12:25 am »
I put on some Micheal Hedges  "Aerial boundaries"  and listened to the whole thing  while reading "Mustaine"  on the nook.  I selected a small font and really lost track of time.  However...since my arm was in one place I really got a bicep cramp.   :icon_surprised:
Aerial boundaries was quite good too.

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #112 on: 9 Aug 2010, 05:18 am »
You guys have me itching for an e-ink device.  :evil:

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« Reply #113 on: 9 Aug 2010, 07:22 am »
This thread did two things for me.  1)  It enlightened a path for me to take.  That is:  a journey to help me decide to go e-ink vs LCD.  and 2)  To really narrow down which product (the nook)  would best suit my needs.  I am totally enjoying the nook, it has re-energized my desire to read.  I feel I made the perfect choice to suit me.  No second thoughts at this point. My homework paid off.


Let me see:  $9.00  (plus gas) for a bad movie that's over in 2 hours (like most movies this time of year)  -or-  an e-book that will provide many times that entertainment.  No contest. 
At the end of the day:  which product has (BY FAR)  the most books to buy +  the most FREE books + users group + library+swap+in store FREE  reading.  The nook, period.  It's like deciding between two identical cars---but one comes with free gas, free tires, free parts swapping and the most accessories.
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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #114 on: 9 Aug 2010, 05:22 pm »
How long does it take to open a large book, say over 1 or 2 mb in siZe?

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #115 on: 9 Aug 2010, 05:25 pm »
How long does it take to open a large book, say over 1 or 2 mb in siZe?
A second or two.  Here is a nifty link of nook wallpapers and screensavers:http://www.nook-look.com/

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #116 on: 10 Aug 2010, 05:30 am »
That sounds much faster than the iPad, and light years faster than the original jetbook.

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #117 on: 10 Aug 2010, 12:34 pm »
That sounds much faster than the iPad, and light years faster than the original jetbook.
The ipad is LCD...does stuff in "real time"  in terms of page turning.  The current e-ink readers are slower than "instant"  but it it doesn't take appreciably more time than it takes for a person to grab a page and turn it. E-pubs are mostly text, so you are not loading a graphic interface.  That cuts down on load time for anything- especially compared to a massive color pdf. Also, if you are reading a book at the time you shut down, it opens to that page, so it doesn't re-load.

Old e-ink reader turning page (last year)  1...2...3...4...5

New e-ink reader turning the page  1...2.

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #118 on: 10 Aug 2010, 05:27 pm »
Yes, I meant opening a >1-2 mb epub or rtf, not turning pages, which i assume has much more to do with the processor, bus, and OS.

I dont make it a habit to read massive PDFs, but non pdf books between 1 and 4 mb are an every day thing.

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Re: Anyone using an e-reader?
« Reply #119 on: 13 Aug 2010, 12:59 am »
Well, for a $149  device it's not bad.  E-pub, which are 95% text open up reasonably quick.  It's not really fair to compare this to say a 64gb ipad, but then again, it costs 1/5th as much.
I am almost done with "mustaine"  and am about to start on "S**T my dad says".  I have pre-ordered Susan Casey's "Wave".  (She is an amazingly vivid writer who wrote devils teeth.)
The nook is a quick conversation starter.  It's like a motorcycle... other e-reader owners strike up conversations.  "Hey!  is that a nook?"  Women dig nooks.