A call to my customers in the SF Bay area.

srb · « **Reply #100 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 04:15 am »

Quote from: Danny on 26 Jul 2010, 04:12 am

You're awesome Steve,

And I'll bet you think I have a pretty cool Avatar as well.

Steve

Danny Richie · « **Reply #101 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 04:19 am »

Quote from: srb on 26 Jul 2010, 04:15 am

And I'll bet you think I have a pretty cool Avatar as well.

Yeah, the Deluceo was a great speaker. Talk about accuracy...

I am really quoting now. What an educational thread this has been.

srb · « **Reply #102 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 04:30 am »

Quote from: Danny on 26 Jul 2010, 04:19 am

Yeah, the Deluceo was a great speaker. Talk about accuracy...

Talking about accuracy, it is the Diluceo with an i - but hey, you named the speaker!

Yes, they are the Black Walnut finish that were part of a batch of assembled speakers that started with Aurum Cantus supplying the cabinet with installed G2 tweeter, and Al Wooley of RAW Acoustics finishing the build. They were then sold by Creative Sound Solutions.

Al then built a RAW HT2C center channel speaker for me with 2 - CSS WR125 and his RAW/Aurum Cantus G2si variant.

Steve

Danny Richie · « **Reply #103 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 04:36 am »

Quote from: srb on 26 Jul 2010, 04:30 am

Talking about accuracy, it is the Diluceo with an i - but hey, you named the speaker!

You got me there. I can design speakers, but I really can't type of spell worth anything.

DanTheMan · « **Reply #104 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 04:57 am »

Quote from: Danny on 26 Jul 2010, 03:34 am

Not unconfirmed or un-researched. The complete opposite.

Let's take a simple capacitor.

Do you think these companies just wind these things up and charge what the market will bare in accordance to their marketing?

I am what you'd think of as in industry insider. I get privy to some interesting manufacturing insights.

I can tell you that there are cap manufactures that will make many variations of the same cap and then listen to it in various applications to see what the differences are. Variations can include the thickness of the conductive material, how it is sprayed on or rolled, tightness of the winding, thickness of the dielectric material, length of the cap verses the diameter, how the end leads are terminated, termination material, wire type, coatings, type of dielectric material, type of film, etc.

And I have cap manufacturers send me samples all the time for my feedback.

I had one cap manufacturer send me three samples of the same cap and the only difference was the coating. One had a poly coating and was completely dipped and sealed. One had a poly coating just as a wrapper, but the ends were open, and one was completely open and was just wrapped in what looked like tissue paper. Each one of them sounded different.

OK, got to read the post and it means nothing to me personally. Anyone can say whatever they want, but we already know that and it doesn't matter to me at all. I don't even see the relevance of it.

Dan

DanTheMan · « **Reply #105 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 05:00 am »

Quote from: Danny on 26 Jul 2010, 04:10 am

Dan...

Okay. Check this shoot out again.

http://www.stereomojo.com/Small%20Speaker%20Shootout%202007/SmallSpeakerShootout2007Part1.htm

While the winning speaker may have had some of the best measurements, there was still a significant difference between the stock speaker and the one with the Ninja mods. Those upgraded crossover parts really take it to another level.

And once a capacitor company figures out what elements make the most difference and where they feel like they can have a competitive advantage, there is NO WAY they will publish that data.

Dan...

That is not an unusual request. I told you, it helps me understand more of where you are coming from. You just answered my question a minute ago that the room WAS part of the system. Well that is a part that I still do not know. I know you are using some $152 speakers and a HK receiver of some kind. I still don't know about the source. I would guess that I would not find any exotic cables.

The most important part of a system are speakers and the room. Everything else comes after that.

So it is not an odd request. If it annoyed you that I asked, don't let it bother you. I won't ask again if it bothers you. It wasn't meant to invade your privacy.

I was just trying to get a full mental image of where you are coming from.

I didn't see the original AV123 in the contest. Did I miss it?

And Clarity Cap did publish their data.

Dan

BYOB · « **Reply #106 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 01:35 pm »

What a great thread, DantheMan's excitement just got me. Had to buy B2031p at $140 with free ship...how could I pass it up...thanks PE. Worst case my garage will sound nice.

I like everything said in this thread but am a business man and believe in ROI. I purchased the Ninja upgrade for my Rockets and can confirm a nice improvement. Still undecided if ROI was there but the upgrade to Danny's LS6 had ROI worth every penny.

Can not wait for this shootout....keep up the great work.

hoxuanduc · « **Reply #107 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 01:58 pm »

Quote from: Danny on 26 Jul 2010, 04:36 am

You got me there. I can design speakers, but I really can't type of spell worth anything.

Danny,

The Diluceo was one transparent pair of speakers!!! It was my 3rd DIY attempt after the Eros and the Murphy Usher years ago. Sorry for the digression, but would you put the N3 on par with the Diluceo? I still miss them!

Thanks,

Duc

HAL · « **Reply #108 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 02:37 pm »

Quote from: BYOB on 26 Jul 2010, 01:35 pm

What a great thread, DantheMan's excitement just got me. Had to buy B2031p at $140 with free ship...how could I pass it up...thanks PE. Worst case my garage will sound nice.

I like everything said in this thread but am a business man and believe in ROI. I purchased the Ninja upgrade for my Rockets and can confirm a nice improvement. Still undecided if ROI was there but the upgrade to Danny's LS6 had ROI worth every penny.

Can not wait for this shootout....keep up the great work.

The PE site has a single B2031P speaker for $140 (if they are showing it as each?). The Amazon site has a pair of B2031P's for $180 with free shipping.

Danny Richie · « **Reply #109 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 02:38 pm »

Quote from: hoxuanduc on 26 Jul 2010, 01:58 pm

The Diluceo was one transparent pair of speakers!!! It was my 3rd DIY attempt after the Eros and the Murphy Usher years ago. Sorry for the digression, but would you put the N3 on par with the Diluceo? I still miss them!

If you liked the Diluceo then you'll like the N3. I prefer the sound of the tweeter in the N3 especially in the lower ranges that it covers, and it plays a little lower than the tweeter in the Diluceo and that has proved to be an advantage as well.

The N3 also plays lower.

Danny Richie · « **Reply #110 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 02:40 pm »

Since this thread is about upgrade effects (caps, wire, etc). If anyone else would like to share their upgrade experiences then feel free to drop them in and an share your thoughts.

werd · « **Reply #111 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 02:53 pm »

So outside GR is fine too?

Danny Richie · « **Reply #112 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 03:02 pm »

Quote from: werd on 26 Jul 2010, 02:53 pm

So outside GR is fine too?

Sure, if you took a speaker, and upgraded the wire, binding posts, caps, resistors, or inductors and what did it do for you. You don't even have to say what brand of speakers it was if you don't want to.

BYOB · « **Reply #113 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 03:37 pm »

Hmmm,

The PE site says (under specifications tab) "delivered in matched pairs"

I will be cranky if only one speaker is on my doorstep this week.

corndog71 · « **Reply #114 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 03:48 pm »

Quote from: DanTheMan on 26 Jul 2010, 04:57 am

OK, got to read the post and it means nothing to me personally. Anyone can say whatever they want, but we already know that and it doesn't matter to me at all. I don't even see the relevance of it.

Dan

Wow. You really don't care about subjectivity at all. Do you believe Danny's subjective experience is all in his head? That he "wants" or "expects" a difference and thus is biased towards hearing differences?

Danny Richie · « **Reply #115 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 04:03 pm »

Yeah, it works like this.

If a company sends me three different capacitors that are all the same value, but all made a little differently, and ask for me to listen to them. I have no expectations, not predisposed to think anything, and have an unbiased observation. They value that. That's plenty good for the companies doing the research.

However, for the nay sayers, you have to do a triple blind test, with the same weather conditions, with a panel of listeners that are carefully selected as average people, to get a high enough percentage of answers all in one direction to make sure there really is a difference. Then you have to publish the data for pier review to make sure it meets their standards, and then publish it in a publication to make it official... Good grief.

HAL · « **Reply #116 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 04:28 pm »

Quote from: BYOB on 26 Jul 2010, 03:37 pm

Hmmm,

The PE site says (under specifications tab) "delivered in matched pairs"

I will be cranky if only one speaker is on my doorstep this week.

If that is a pair as the PDF says it is a great deal! I did not buy from them as it said each.

satfrat · « **Reply #117 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 04:42 pm »

Quote from: sts9fan on 26 Jul 2010, 04:35 pm

I think by definition it is.

Let's not forget the need for snarky and belittling attitude towards those that have differing opinions to you. Check.

Says the pot calling the kettle black.

Checkmate.

low.pfile · « **Reply #118 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 04:46 pm »

Quote from: BYOB on 26 Jul 2010, 03:37 pm

Hmmm,

The PE site says (under specifications tab) "delivered in matched pairs"

I will be cranky if only one speaker is on my doorstep this week.

Sorry mate, $140 is for a single speaker..... ($140 EA)

Danny Richie · « **Reply #119 on:** 26 Jul 2010, 05:01 pm »

Over in the lab he said this:

Quote from: sts9fan on 22 Jul 2010, 11:57 pm

Going forward non technical posts in this thread will be trashed. So save your breath on +1ing what has already been said.

And then moved some of my posts.

So since his post here was just an attempt to belittle and had no real value, I moved his.