High End Audio Store

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pjg66

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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #20 on: 23 Jul 2010, 01:23 am »
The video is amusing and contains more than a grain of truth on why high-end audio simply does not connect with a wider audience  (even music lovers).

Before retiring I was a college professor for 40 years and had constant contact with young people.  Whenever the subject of music and audio came up, those with an opinion invariably (I mean 100% of the time!) mentioned Bose as the brand to aspire to.  It has almost an iconic status among the contemporary college crowd.

It's ironic because Bose started as an audiophile brand.  The original 901 was meant as an audiophile product.  It received some early favorable write-ups in the hi-fi press, and for awhile was one of the "in" speakers to own.

Then Consumer Reports dissed it - said it made violins sound like they were wandering about the room.  Amar Bose sued CR, but eventually lost (thank goodness).  But by then Dr. Bose had decided that the audiophile world was a dead-end.  There were much better pickings in the mass market.  And he obviously knew how to go after that market.

So while audiophiles sneer at Bose, the man is laughing all the way to the bank.  And I would guess that people who are happy with their Bose stuff don't give much of damn what audiophiles think either.  And in my experience, most Bose owners are quite satisfied.  They do not consider themselves victims of marketing hype (and of course we're so fortunate that there's no marketing hype in high-end audio).

Me, I have no quarrel with folks who like Bose (or Sony, or Ipods or MP3 or whatever).  Because I think people have the common sense to make choices that they can afford and work for them, including how they listen to music.  And frankly, it's none of our business.  High-end audio is NOT the answer for everyone.

One more Bose anecdote.  An elderly lady friend (86 years old) wanted a one-box small CD player that she could put next to her favorite chair in the den for listening to CD's (like the customer in the video).  Having heard how great Bose is, she ordered a Waveguide radio/CD player.  Paid 500+ bucks for it.  For her purposes it actually sounded pretty good.  If it were the only thing I had for music, I could live with it.

She liked the thing but worried she paid too much.  So we went to a local Best Buy and checked out the counter with boomboxes.  Sure enough we found a similar Memorex player at $180 that sounded just as good.  Fortunately she had a 30-day return policy which Bose honored without hassle.

Happy listening.

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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #21 on: 23 Jul 2010, 02:32 am »
It's all about marketing.  Why does everyone think Bose is the best?  Because they say so.  And no one else challenges them.  When have you heard/seen an ad for any other audio gear?   Yesterday was the first time I've heard one.  Marantz had a commercial on the radio. 

You've got to give Bose credit.  They know what the customer wants - small, discreet, and non-invasive speakers, and discreet electronics that are simple.  Market it as the best and give it a premium price tag that's not that far out of reach.  Genius if you ask me. 

Then when someone has something negative to say, threaten them with a lawsuit.  Anyone who's half way intelligent will retract their statement rather than spend a ton of money in legal fees to prove they're right. 

Monster isn't much different. 

I can't imagine companies like Bryston being able to handle the requirements of being a mass marketed company, but there needs to be more diverse marketing if hifi as a whole is going to survive, let alone grow.  Maybe dealers and manufacturers workng together to advertise in the dealer's market?   B&M stores ate struggling, yet they don't let anyone know what they're selling or where they are. 

The only one I've seen get it right is Hippo's in Albany, NY.  They've got print, radio, and TV ads.  The ads feature a mass market brand like Sony to get people's attention, and add in brands like B&W, McIntosh, KEF, etc.  Everyone in the area knows Hippo's, where it is, and has an idea of what they have.  They're probably the last hifi shop in the area, having outlasted dozens or others over the last 30 years or so. 

If these B&M stores ate going to stick around, they need to market themselves.     

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« Reply #22 on: 23 Jul 2010, 03:08 am »
Totally agree with the above post.

Bose read correctly what the customers wanted, and made a product to fit the demand. Small, uncomplicated audio systems. You might say that they are overpriced, but compared to what "audiophile" companies charge  :scratch: Bose might actually be budget priced.

I'd like to see more companies making good quality, easy to use systems for the general public and market it. Catering just to the temperamental audiophile crowd is not a good idea.

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« Reply #23 on: 23 Jul 2010, 03:21 am »
Bose was challenged by Cambridge soundworks "Better sound than Bose for a fraction of the price!"  And the legal argument was that "best"  was subjective.  I don't remember who won, but I haven't seen any "better than bose"  ads for a long time.

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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #24 on: 23 Jul 2010, 03:50 am »
I don't think Bose ever came out and literally said they were the best there is.  But when they say how great they sound and no other company says their own gear sounds great, Bose becomes the default best.

Hifi manufactureres and dealers advertising in hifi mags is like preaching to the choir.  Not only that, but they're all fighting over the same extremely small and only getting smaller market.

I don't see anythin wrong with high end companies making more affordable and entry level lines.  The Mini Cooper doesn't devalue the BMW M3 (BMW owns and designs Mini).  The Smart car doesn't degrade the Mercedes E55 AMG.  The Dodge Caravan doesn't make the Viper less desireable.   

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« Reply #25 on: 23 Jul 2010, 04:02 am »

Hifi manufactureres and dealers advertising in hifi mags is like preaching to the choir.  Not only that, but they're all fighting over the same extremely small and only getting smaller market.

I don't see anythin wrong with high end companies making more affordable and entry level lines. 
I think B&W is very good at that.  The lower-cost lines are very good.

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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #26 on: 23 Jul 2010, 07:55 am »
True...

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« Reply #27 on: 24 Jul 2010, 02:59 am »
Forget speakers. This is the real shiznit:



Nap.  :eyebrows:

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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #28 on: 24 Jul 2010, 03:12 am »
This one about the life of a cover band is actually funnier  :wink:

However, the language is a little 'rougher'...so to speak  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24_tiGZgPP4

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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #29 on: 24 Jul 2010, 01:06 pm »
The ironic thing is that if a true audiophile company began to market itself like Bose most 'true audiophiles' would discredit it.

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« Reply #30 on: 24 Jul 2010, 01:38 pm »
Very possible.

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« Reply #31 on: 24 Jul 2010, 01:44 pm »
The ironic thing is that if a true audiophile company began to market itself like Bose most 'true audiophiles' would discredit it.
That, or charge reasonable prices like Salk or VMPS...then there will be certain elements of the hobby that won't take them seriously.   (Just because they aren't $20K  plus a pop)

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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #32 on: 24 Jul 2010, 02:01 pm »
VMPS cabinets are made in China!

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« Reply #33 on: 24 Jul 2010, 02:22 pm »
VMPS cabinets are made in China!
Gasp!  ...All this time I thought they were made by a cabinet maker in California who I think I met in person once or twice at the VMPS factory... but I could be wrong... :P

Napalm

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« Reply #34 on: 24 Jul 2010, 02:46 pm »
I'm looking forward to the moment when the POTUS will be Made in China too.

Nap.  8)

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« Reply #35 on: 24 Jul 2010, 03:23 pm »
I'm looking forward to the moment when the POTUS will be Made in China too.  Nap.  8)
...in other news, president xang xioping declared that outsourcing the government was a cost cutting measure. He stated the Chinese cabinet would do the work for 1/6th the cost of an American cabinet .  In sports, the Bejing cowboys downed the shanghai raiders 20 to 7.  Quarterback Ping Xian stated that he liked to earn his multi-thousand dollar contract.

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« Reply #36 on: 24 Jul 2010, 03:44 pm »
I'm looking forward to the moment when the POTUS will be Made in China too.

Nap.  8)

You may not have to wait long :(

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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #37 on: 24 Jul 2010, 03:48 pm »
Forget speakers. This is the real shiznit:



Nap.  :eyebrows:
:lol: And he can still drink a beer, if need be.



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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #38 on: 24 Jul 2010, 04:23 pm »
VMPS cabinets are made in China!
After D'Agostino left, Krell is made in China too.

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Re: High End Audio Store
« Reply #39 on: 24 Jul 2010, 08:48 pm »
After D'Agostino left, Krell is made in China too.

Just terrible. What's the (high end) world coming to?

I guess it's just the way things are, unfortunately.