Can anyone recommend me a wagon?

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ooheadsoo

Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #120 on: 26 Feb 2010, 09:15 am »
May as well test drive a mazda3.  Handling is pretty decent, though probably not as tossable as the 1st gen xB.

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #121 on: 26 Feb 2010, 01:00 pm »
Love my 06' XB



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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #122 on: 26 Feb 2010, 04:20 pm »
If you want rail handling in a compact wagon the Audi a3 out preforms the Scion xb and the mazda 3

Audi a3
0-60          6.8
1/4 mile     15.2@ 92.6
skid pad     .90 G
Slalom       68.3 mph

Scion XB   
0-60          8.6
1/4 mile      16.3 @ 83 mph
skid pad     .78 g
slalom         64 mph

Mazda 3     
0-60         7.4
1/4 mile     16 @ 87 mph
skid pad     .87 g
slalom       65 mph

The a3 slightly boast bolth of them in breaking as well. :lol:

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #123 on: 26 Feb 2010, 04:40 pm »
We're missing the point here. 
drphoto stipulated a WAGON (The Mazda3 hatch is not a wagon (just a nice practical small car), and the A3 could barely be called a wagon.)  Maximum price of $10,000, so how would an Audi A3 fit into that equation, when the entry fee is $15K+?

The Scion XB...well it doesn't have much space behind those back seats either.  Hard to find one under $10K either.

However, a Ford Focus wagon IS a wagon WITH useful cargo space, and can be had under $10K.

I have to go back to my original suggestion, a used (2005 - 2007) Dodge Magnum SXT.  It has useful space, decent power with its 3.5L V6, half decent milage, it will last a long time and is dirt cheap to boot.  The Magnum was designed using Mercedes E class suspension gear so it handles well and is very smooth.

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #124 on: 26 Feb 2010, 04:43 pm »
no way, mort, will a gen-1 scion xb do 0-60 in anything less than 9 seconds!   :lol:  so, your report must be for the fat-pig gen-2 scion.  the gen-1 scion xb, however, will do a lot better in handling than a gen-2.  and, you can get three gen-1 scion xb's for the price of an audi a3.  of course, if you want to be sure of a reliable ride, it would be better to have three a3's; you only need one xb.   8)

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #125 on: 26 Feb 2010, 04:43 pm »
Can't help it....every time I see that Scion I think.....


...... :duh:

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #126 on: 26 Feb 2010, 04:57 pm »
We're missing the point here. 
drphoto stipulated a WAGON (The Mazda3 hatch is not a wagon (just a nice practical small car), and the A3 could barely be called a wagon.)  Maximum price of $10,000, so how would an Audi A3 fit into that equation, when the entry fee is $15K+?

The Scion XB...well it doesn't have much space behind those back seats either.  Hard to find one under $10K either.

However, a Ford Focus wagon IS a wagon WITH useful cargo space, and can be had under $10K.

I have to go back to my original suggestion, a used (2005 - 2007) Dodge Magnum SXT.  It has useful space, decent power with its 3.5L V6, half decent milage, it will last a long time and is dirt cheap to boot.  The Magnum was designed using Mercedes E class suspension gear so it handles well and is very smooth.
low-mileage excellent condition gen-1 scion xb's can be found all day long for <$10k.  whether the cargo space is useful or not depends on how you want to use it.  it can seat five comfortably, but then, it is true - you will likely need a roof carrier if the five of you are going on an extended wacation.  i was, however, able to pick up my son and his two friends from skateboarding camp, and w/wife in front, three teens in the back, and their one-week-supply of gear plus skateboards and helmets, fit everything behind the seats.  no, i could not see anything out the rear-view mirror!   :green:

i have driven a focus, and i think they are nice care.  i prefer my xb; focus might be a decent second choice for me.  dodge magnums are fat pigs, imo, they do absolutely nothing for me, except make me wince whenever i see them.  they make me think of pimps and mobsters.  (of course, this is a personal opinion.  :lol: )  and, also - i don't know how to drive an automatic - can you even get a manual transmission w/the dodge magnum?  as far as it lasting a long time, i have heard bad stories about this model's reliability - it may last a long time w/lotsa repair bills.  and, "decent" mileage doesn't cut it for me - i have my hotted-up alfa for that.   8)

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #127 on: 26 Feb 2010, 05:00 pm »
If you want rail handling in a compact wagon the Audi a3 out preforms the Scion xb and the mazda 3

As it should from it's price and lower center of gravity.  And as much as I like it, but with a modicum of practicality in mind, I don't think I could bring myself to buy a car with only 4.3 inches of ground clearance.
 
I know someone who has one, and he often scrapes it over driveway and parking lot entrances.
 
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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #128 on: 26 Feb 2010, 05:02 pm »
Can't help it....every time I see that Scion I think.....


...... :duh:
really?  tho it looks more like an earlier ford wan, that reminds me of a kia, for some reason. :green:

i could be mistaken for the driver tho...   :lol:

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #129 on: 26 Feb 2010, 05:05 pm »
It has the same general shape Doug.... :lol:




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...the 60/40-split rear seats fold flat, making the Scion xB an ideal cargo hauler with a whopping 70 cubic feet of space.

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The first-generation Scion xB went on sale in June 2003 as a 2004 model. Initially it was sold only in California, and Scion gradually rolled it out to other big markets like Florida, New York and Texas. Nationwide sales began for the 2005 model year.

Standard equipment was better than average for a low-priced economy car, as every xB came with antilock brakes, stability and traction control, air-conditioning, an MP3-compatible CD player and power windows, mirrors and locks. Fifteen-inch steel wheels with your choice of plastic wheel covers were also standard, but you could get alloy wheels as a low-cost accessory. Side and head curtain airbags were optional.

The power source in every first-generation Scion xB was a 1.5-liter, inline-4-cylinder engine. In 2004 and '05, it was rated for 108 hp and 105 lb-ft of torque; however, for the 2006 model year, new SAE certification procedures dropped the rating to 103 hp and 101 lb-ft. The xB's engine and acceleration were unchanged, though. We recommend sticking with the five-speed manual transmission if you can, as it gives this xB respectable point-and-shoot capability in freeway traffic. Acceleration however, could be sluggish with the four-speed automatic.

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #130 on: 26 Feb 2010, 07:48 pm »
You'd be amazed at how much room is in Scion Xb....I know I was. I travel back and forth via the PA turnpike to visit my kids and my Xb has great pickup, great mileage -33mpg ish....its a blast to drive, one of the best buying decisions I've made in my entire life. I have hauled
drums in it, furniture, all kinds of stereo equipment....never think twice about folding down the back seats and loading it up. If you get a chance to drive one you'll see how much fun they are and how zippy they can be.

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #131 on: 26 Feb 2010, 08:27 pm »
doug s. said,
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dodge magnums are fat pigs, imo, they do absolutely nothing for me, except make me wince whenever i see them.  they make me think of pimps and mobsters.
What you talkin' bout, Willis???


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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #132 on: 26 Feb 2010, 10:50 pm »
Scion's are for chicks and 17 year old kids.  I can't have THE Dr. Photo picking up a lovely young lady for a date in a chick car!  Granted, some of my suggestions were semi-chick cars but it's hard to pick a cool wagon.  I like the Saab but not their reliability.  The Honda is hard to find and the Matrix/Vibe is for Gen Y kids and the learner's permit croud.

Our guy Joe is a full grown MAN and he needs something that is not going to make him look like a chick.  He's Doc Photo not Nurse Johnnycakes.   :thumb:A reliable, good looking, economical car is great but some of these clown cars are the four wheel version of a sweater-vest...ahem, _ussy Repellent.  :green:




ooheadsoo

Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #133 on: 27 Feb 2010, 03:04 am »
I bring up the Mazda3 because Drphoto himself brings up the Mazda3 in his OP.  I also don't think you can get an Audi A3 for under $10k without a salvage title.  I bring up the xB because it has tremendous utility (no question it destroys the mazda3 in the utility department,) and apparently handles on rails AND has incredible fuel economy.

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #134 on: 27 Feb 2010, 03:51 am »
I bring up the Mazda3 because Drphoto himself brings up the Mazda3 in his OP.  I also don't think you can get an Audi A3 for under $10k without a salvage title.  I bring up the xB because it has tremendous utility (no question it destroys the mazda3 in the utility department,) and apparently handles on rails AND has incredible fuel economy.

True, I don't think you're gonna get an A3 for that kind of money unless it's in pretty bad shape or salvage as you said.  I found a few around $15k but a bit ratty.  I just bought this 2007 for my daughter and she loves it (the "Little Red Vagen").  2.0t FSI turbo with DSG tranny and paddle shifters is a blast, and so far high 20's mpg in town.  It supposedly has nearly the same space as an A4 Avant and you definitely don't see yourself coming and going.  Repair bills can be scary, but fortunately this one has some warranty left.  Surprisingly, insurance was quite reasonable too, apparently due to a bevy of safety gear. 

We put 150k+ miles on a 2004 Vibe with zero problems and I thought it was a great car.  A little too noisy and sometimes rough ride, but it always got 28+mpg and had great utility with the big hatch and flat cargo floor.


ooheadsoo

Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #135 on: 27 Feb 2010, 04:06 am »
Don't forget the budget!  Yes, I know, we'd all like to forget the budget  :lol:

Nice car, the A3, I considered it and the VW GTI, but couldn't pass up on being different (and having more power for much less money) with my car.  But Drphoto's budget was $10k, and you can't get my car, or the GTI, or the A3 for that price without getting a salvage.  Them's the breaks.  :(

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #136 on: 27 Feb 2010, 04:49 am »
i also like the mazda3 wagon, (which is a wagon, not a hatchback), but i am still partial to the best looking shitbox out there - the babe-magnet gen-1 scion xb!    :green:  the fact that it handles as well as my tricked out alfa gtv6 3.0 doesn't hurt, either.   8)  must be the 17 year old chick in me.   :lol:

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ooheadsoo

Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #137 on: 27 Feb 2010, 05:36 am »
Maybe consider the Mazda Protege.  That car, which the mazda3 replaced, was much lighter, albeit with less power.  Nevertheless, the handling was reportedly much more nimble than the 3100-3200lb mazda3.

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #138 on: 27 Feb 2010, 05:57 am »
Maybe consider the Mazda Protege.  That car, which the mazda3 replaced, was much lighter, albeit with less power.  Nevertheless, the handling was reportedly much more nimble than the 3100-3200lb mazda3.
i bought my daughter a 2001 mazda protege sedan last year.  w/130hp 2.0l, it performs nicely, even w/the slush-box transmission.  the transmission itself is a mess, it wants to hunt for gears.  but, that's what they do, i hate 'em.  the car itself, i much prefer to my wife's 2004 civic lx sedan.  much better handling, and if it had a manual transmission, i am sure it would be faster as well.  a 2.0l protege wagon w/a manual transmission would not be a bad deal at all, imo.  doesn't have the sex appeal of a gen 1 scion tho...   :lol:

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Re: Can anyone recommend me a wagon?
« Reply #139 on: 27 Feb 2010, 01:41 pm »
I'll trade my Xb for that sweet Pantera!!! How much are they (Pantera's) worth now??