Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?

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Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« on: 17 Feb 2010, 10:19 pm »
Hi nice people,

We could product an AvaStar EC model in addition to the standard new AvaStar hybrid preamp that would have more functions for about
$150 extra.

It would have eight sets of inputs instead of six, EPL inputs and outputs and its front panel switch. It would also have a Low Gain switch in addition to all standard AvaStar functions.

Here is what is now available for the standard AvaStar model:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=75951.0

It would cost us more RCA Jacks, a revised switch board, a new faceplate, and a new back panel label to execute, along with a bunch more assembly labor.

The faceplate could also be used as a replacement for AvaStar upgrades from older Transcendence, Fet Valve and Ultra EC preamp models.

Its a reasonable investment to offer this and we need to see some interest in it before starting the metal and parts orders to do it.

I would like your comments.

Best regards,

Frank Van Alstine

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #1 on: 17 Feb 2010, 10:30 pm »
I would be more interested in an EC model, but first I'd have to get over not having tone controls.  Maybe I don't qualify as an audiophile.

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #2 on: 17 Feb 2010, 10:51 pm »
Frank:
 I'm strictly a stereo listener type of guy. $150.00 is very reasonable for what you are offering. But!! Being a stereo listener type of guy Would I have any use for this addition to my Pre that is on the way to you for upgrading to AvaStar??

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 Tone Depth:
  You really don't need tone controls. I can't remember the last time I used them.

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #3 on: 17 Feb 2010, 11:54 pm »
If given the option I would absolutely go with the EC model (more inputs the merrier...and the EPL function would be indispensable for me) ...so count me as a "yes".  :thumb:

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #4 on: 17 Feb 2010, 11:57 pm »
Yo!!! Toka:
 When and how would you use the EPL function?????

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #5 on: 18 Feb 2010, 12:59 am »
I would be more interested in an EC model, but first I'd have to get over not having tone controls.  Maybe I don't qualify as an audiophile.

I'm with you on that one.  I didn't have any for 18 years when using a Linn LK1, so I understand how people can get along without, but tone controls have been so useful to me with the OmegaStar PAT-5 I've had for the last 5 or 6 years that I can't imagine buying another preamp without them.  I'm no audiophile, either.

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #6 on: 18 Feb 2010, 01:12 am »
Yo Guys!!!
  If your audio speakers are lacking something and you have to use tone controls to get a sound that you like then probably your electronics are not doing the job. I'm basing this on my past experiences listening to audio systems over the past 55 years. Seriously!! I'm 78 and I've been an audioholic for 55 years. Imagine that!!!

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #7 on: 18 Feb 2010, 01:57 am »
Yo Guys!!!
  If your audio speakers are lacking something and you have to use tone controls to get a sound that you like then probably your electronics are not doing the job. I'm basing this on my past experiences listening to audio systems over the past 55 years. Seriously!! I'm 78 and I've been an audioholic for 55 years. Imagine that!!!

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It has nothing to do with speakers.  It has everything to do with the huge difference in recording quality and mastering quality of CDs and even some vinyl records.  Tone controls are absolutely essential for those of us who listen to a very diverse selection of genras and music styles.   

55 years of being an audioholic will not make bad recordings and bad masterings.........good.  No matter how many times you repeat it.

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #8 on: 18 Feb 2010, 03:01 am »
It has nothing to do with speakers.  It has everything to do with the huge difference in recording quality and mastering quality of CDs and even some vinyl records.  Tone controls are absolutely essential for those of us who listen to a very diverse selection of genras and music styles.   

55 years of being an audioholic will not make bad recordings and bad masterings.........good.  No matter how many times you repeat it.

I'm with ya, but I don't think tone controls will "make bad recordings and bad masterings.........good" either.

CC

Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #9 on: 18 Feb 2010, 04:28 am »
I would be interested in an EC model. In the not too distant future i will be putting together a hybred 2-channel, home theater setup and would use the EPL for that.

Chris

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #10 on: 18 Feb 2010, 05:22 am »
Yo!!! Toka:
 When and how would you use the EPL function?????

As with CC, any future setup of mine will be a hybrid 2-channel/multi-channel setup (for a variety of reasons...space and money being two of the bigger reasons). I don't want to compromise the 2-channel aspect, and yet want the multichannel ability to be as seamless as possible. As Frank has shown in Audio Basics as well as this board the EPL function would be used to interface with a surround processor for movies, Blu-ray concerts, games, and the like. Its not the most "hands free" solution but life is full of compromises and that is one I can certainly live with.

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #11 on: 18 Feb 2010, 06:34 am »
I'm with ya, but I don't think tone controls will "make bad recordings and bad masterings.........good" either.

I'm sure you know that's not what I meant. 

Tone controls help to take the hard treble edge off of nasty recordings or masterings.   Makes them listenable so I could enjoy the music.    That's the point.

There are too many recordings and masterings that boost the treble and reverb to ridiculous levels.   Tone controls help to tame it down.

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #12 on: 18 Feb 2010, 11:01 am »
If your audio speakers are lacking something and you have to use tone controls to get a sound that you like then probably your electronics are not doing the job.

It's not about the electronics not doing their job; it's simply the realities of recordings and living environments.  My Vandersteen speakers have level controls in back to help adapt them to different listening rooms, and my preamp has tone controls to further help with specific recordings or living factors.

1. I now live in an apartment and, out of respect for my neighbors, simply can't listen at the volumes I did when owning a house, especially since I enjoy listening fairly early in the morning. As the work by Fletcher and Munson shows, this significantly changes how I hear the music.  I don't have a loudness contour circuit, but the tone controls let me recover a well-balanced sound at the lower volumes I often listen to.

2. When I've had a television in the system and watched action movies, I'd turn the bass control down so that explosions, car crashes, etc., wouldn't have excessive impact and again bother the neighbors. The tone controls on my preamp seem to affect just the frequency extremes, so most of the musical score and vocal quality are unaffected.

3. I have some albums that have an overly aggressive, to my ears, high end; tone controls let me enjoy these records much more than I had previously.

4. When I need a more aggressive equalization, such as for muffled, overly chesty voices on some old-time radio shows or poorly recorded conference lecturers, I play the cd's through my computer (the audio output of which is routed to my stereo system) with a program like Real Player that has a good equalizer system.

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #13 on: 23 Feb 2010, 06:48 pm »
I talked to Frank about the new pre amp and was having an issue because I couldn't eat up the tape monitors as a loop because I have multiple recorders and too many other sources and the new chassis only had 6 inputs with no EPL.

We compromised and I will get an AvaStar board in an Ultra EC chassis. The tone control pots and switches will be on the faceplate but non functional. A good compromise for me as I never used the tone controls on my OmegaStar (well occasionally while listening to the headphones I'd run them up/down and punch the switches to clean the contacts).

Interesting that I didn't know he had posted this on the site until after we spoke. So Frank, yes there is interest in the AVASTAR with the EC/EPL option!

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Re: Any interest in an AVASTAR EC model?
« Reply #14 on: 17 Mar 2010, 09:23 am »
  I think a AVAStar EC would be great addition !