Toyota Recall

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pjchappy

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #160 on: 10 Feb 2010, 01:27 am »
I've been a touch lenient with this thread and we are all, for the most part, playing nice.   :thumb:

Also, if you have any problems with a post or poster, please PM me.  Do not respond in kind to any perceived personal attack, etc.

Things are a little looser in The Pub as compared to the rest of AC, but let's just keep it cool, guys.  Any further encroachment into the realm of politics will get this thread tossed.


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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #161 on: 10 Feb 2010, 01:32 am »
I still pull over now for all Toyota's!

             I feel safer that way, and I drive a Chrysler!  :thumb:

JoshK

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #162 on: 10 Feb 2010, 01:34 am »
To be honest, I've almost completely ignored this noise.  However, I most likely missed it, but how many of the recalled cars were manufactured in the US?  Or is it an overseas issue?


JoshK

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #163 on: 10 Feb 2010, 01:37 am »
P.S.  everytime I read "Toyota Recall" I think did they re-release the Schwarzenagger movie in Japan?

pjchappy

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #164 on: 10 Feb 2010, 01:38 am »
Josh, I'm not sure on that, but the part itself was made in Indiana, very close to where I grew up in SSW Michigan (near Notre Dame).


To be honest, I've almost completely ignored this noise.  However, I most likely missed it, but how many of the recalled cars were manufactured in the US?  Or is it an overseas issue?


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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #165 on: 10 Feb 2010, 01:47 am »
Where have there been encroachments into politics? I made reference to the demise of labor unions and some others referenced the competition between American and Japanese. Are those topics political? I may be crossing the line because I don't see one. Sorry, if that's the case.

jackman

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #166 on: 10 Feb 2010, 01:51 am »
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I expect Toyota to fix this situation by repairing the cars that need it and coming back with a QC vengeance that once again completely eclipses the efforts of American car manufacturers.


Toyota has lost billions in the biggest recall in American motor history.  They had better address the QC issues if they hope to continue operating anywhere close to where they were a few short weeks ago.  This means focusing on their problems, not sweeping them under the carpet as they appeared to have done recently. 


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The only reason anything coming out of Detroit has improved at all is because they were forced to compete with the Japanese. If they had not been forced to raise their standards to a higher level, they would still be making the crap that created the negative opinions that prevail today.


What's your point?  Competition makes for better cars?  Who can argue with that?  The reason Detroit has begun making better cars is the same reason Toyota started making better cars when they came to this country.  Competition and survival.  Unfortunately, it appears Detroit (at least Ford and GM) quality is moving in a positive direction whilt Toyota is moving in the opposite.

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Interestingly, one of the things that kept Detroit in business was the union driven buy American movement. Once organized labor was eviscerated and jobs went overseas, the momentum behind "buy American" lapsed and people went on to buy the better investments.


Interestingly, did you pull this last nugget out of your hat (edited)?  In the 50's and 60's, Detroit made better cars than Japan and the Japanese didn't make a car that appealed to the US consumer.  When the gas crisis hit in the 70's, Detroit was out of touch with consumers (kind've like recently) because they wanted to sell big, poorly made cars and the Japanese cars with their better mileage and better reliability found a niche and continued to grow and gain acceptance with mainstream American market.  No one can deny this fact.   Regarding your comment on labor, I think you have the chicken confused with the egg.  The jobs went away when the sales of American cars went away.  It's hard to blame the workers for the companies selling the wrong mix of poorly engineered cars. You can make a case for Legacy cost (the impact of the cost of pensions and health insurance of people who used to work for the companies on present day cars) impacting US automakers, giving foreign makers a competitive advantage but that was not your point.  Also, all cars are a bad "investment". 

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Resale values present a strong case as to which products were a better choice when new.

Agreed.  Did you read the article I posted on the PLUMMETING Toyota resale values?  If they don't clean up their act soon, they might find themselves trading places with their American or Korean counterparts.  The largest recall in history is never good for a company's reputation.  This is seriuos business and, although I believe Toyota will come through this with a couple bumps and bruises, it will take a while for wipe the stains from their former reputation. 

Lastly, I don't even own an American car.  My wife has a Honda Pilot and I have a BMW.  My company car (which I do not own) is a 2010 Ford Escape.  I love it but the car is too new for me to give an honest opinion.  Also, in full disclosure, I have never been impressed with Toyota.  I owned a Lexus GS300 in the 90's and it was okay.  Tons of nickel and dime problems like window regulators, steering and suspension problems and minor electrical and mechanical problems (sunroof) that cost a fortune to fix.  I have owned cars from several companies and the BMW is my favorite so far.  Honda Accord from '94 was probably my second favorite. 
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pjchappy

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #167 on: 10 Feb 2010, 01:54 am »
1.  This wasn't a PM to you, but a post in the thread. . .for everyone that has posted or is thinking about posting, to read.

2.  If you want to go back and read every post and still do not see some posts entering into the realm of politics, that's fine with me.  I am the Facilitator of The Pub and I am the one making those calls.

The thread is still active and no posts have been removed. 

Where have there been encroachments into politics? I made reference to the demise of labor unions and some others referenced the competition between American and Japanese. Are those topics political? I may be crossing the line because I don't see one. Sorry, if that's the case.

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #168 on: 10 Feb 2010, 02:01 am »
I asked what content you judged borderline inappropriate so that I would know where the line is and how you make your assessments - not because I was challenging your statement.
Please answer the question.

pjchappy

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #169 on: 10 Feb 2010, 02:07 am »
You haven't been effected in anyway by any actions of mine, so I see no need to discuss this in detail.  However, if there ever is an issue, I would contact you via PM or post my reasons for locking a thread, etc.

My only advice to you (and anyone else) is that if you think your post is political in nature, then do not post it.

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Paul

I asked what content you judged borderline inappropriate so that I would know where the line is and how you make your assessments - not because I was challenging your statement.
Please answer the question.

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #170 on: 10 Feb 2010, 03:36 am »
Jackman - This is looking more and more like a crusade for you. Are you aware that this is just a discussion. You know, just people exchanging opinions. There's no trophy or anything. You can't win. There is no prize. Everybody is correct concerning what they think is true . . . . even the ones who don't quite see things as you do.
I like my Toyotas. I don't think the company was negligent in producing problem vehicles. In fact, I'm sure they wouldn't deliberately jeopardize their hard earned reputation for making the most reliable vehicles on the road. That's been their most valuable asset for some number of years now.
The problems are real but the magnitude is being exaggerated by our sensationalistic media and you. Take a wait and see attitude. These things tend to snowball when the one-up-manship gets rolling. All media strive to outdo one another and then the rumor amplifiers take over. Ultimately this could turn out to be like the kid in the kite. All hell broke loose worldwide with the wringing of hands and sightings everywhere until we learned he had never really left the ground.

flintstone

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #171 on: 10 Feb 2010, 03:38 am »
The problem is a design flaw the way I read it?...why are some of you guys putting the blame on the workers that build the product? (this is another white collar crime) ....and again, what a hoot you Toyota fan boys are in this thread  :drums:

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jackman

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #173 on: 10 Feb 2010, 05:10 am »
Looks like Honda now has a few problems to deal with....

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2010/02/honda-recalls-fits-for-fires/#more-19467

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/10/2815589.htm?section=justin

Wolf, what is this a personal vendetta?  Please confine negative statements to domestic car companies only.  Honda, Toyota and Nissan have earned the right to produce defective, faulty and even dangerous cars for...let's see...the next 5 years, minimum, before anyone is allowed to comment.  Move along, nothing to see here...

This whole thread makes me laugh because if GM announced they were recalling over 8.5 MILLION cars due to serious and potentially lethal design flaws, the same Toyota fanboys getting their panties in a bunch on this thread would be the same ones talking about why they would never own an American car because of inferior design and reliability.  Am I the only one who sees the double standard?   :scratch:

Also, I edited my previous post to remove some offensive language.  Got a little carried away.  Sorry.

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #174 on: 10 Feb 2010, 05:24 am »
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Wolf, what is this a personal vendetta?

What....are you nuts Jack... :lol:  :rotflmao:

I own a Toyota....a Honda....and a Jeep.

To me....a good car is one that starts every time I turn the key...when it fails to start....then it's a bad car. :wink:

Just as there is no perfect speaker....there is no "perfect car".... :thumb:

jackman

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #175 on: 10 Feb 2010, 05:28 am »
What....are you nuts Jack... :lol:  :rotflmao:

I own a Toyota....a Honda....and a Jeep.

To me....a good car is one that starts every time I turn the key...when it fails to start....then it's a bad car. :wink:

Just as there is no perfect speaker....there is no "perfect car".... :thumb:

Just pulling your timing chain.   :D 

I have a similar attitude wrt cars.  If I turn the key and it starts, it's a good car.  If I hit the pedal and it sticks to the floor and accelerates uncontrolably off a cliff and I die in a ball of fire, it's a Toyota!  :thumb:

Cheers,

J

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #176 on: 10 Feb 2010, 05:32 am »
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Just pulling your timing chain.

I know Jack... :lol:

But NOTHING really bothers me anyway....  :wink: :beer:

jackman

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #177 on: 10 Feb 2010, 05:48 am »
Jackman - This is looking more and more like a crusade for you. Are you aware that this is just a discussion. You know, just people exchanging opinions. There's no trophy or anything. You can't win. There is no prize. Everybody is correct concerning what they think is true . . . . even the ones who don't quite see things as you do.
I like my Toyotas. I don't think the company was negligent in producing problem vehicles. In fact, I'm sure they wouldn't deliberately jeopardize their hard earned reputation for making the most reliable vehicles on the road. That's been their most valuable asset for some number of years now.
The problems are real but the magnitude is being exaggerated by our sensationalistic media and you. Take a wait and see attitude. These things tend to snowball when the one-up-manship gets rolling. All media strive to outdo one another and then the rumor amplifiers take over. Ultimately this could turn out to be like the kid in the kite. All hell broke loose worldwide with the wringing of hands and sightings everywhere until we learned he had never really left the ground.

Hey Dude, you could be right.  Maybe I'm making too much of this.  I did a quick search and to date and so far ONLY 19 people have died in crashes that have been linked to sticking accelerators and slipping floormats of their Toyota cars.  I didn't follow the kite boy story very closely but I don't recall hearing the part where 19 people died.  Either way, 19 deaths is small potatoes(right?), call me when it gets to 100! 

No reason for alarm.  Toyota has only lost 20% of their market value since the end of January, and they have instituted what looks to be the largest and most expensive recall in history on their top selling cars.  Oh, and it looks like Toyota Corolla is going to be added to the list of defective cars because of faulty steering (see attached).

I'm with you, this is a non-story.  People need to stop making a big deal out of this and stop picking on Toyota!  Stop it, right now! :nono: 


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100210/ts_nm/us_toyota

pjchappy

Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #178 on: 10 Feb 2010, 06:10 am »
Well, all this anti-Toyota, GM, Honda, Ford, etc. talk has scared me to death.  As a result, I think the only way I am going to feel safe is in one of these:



2010 911 Turbo      :drool:

If anyone even remotely cares about my safety, they will chip in.  Please PM me for information regarding donations to my PayPal account.    :lol:

Paul

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #179 on: 10 Feb 2010, 06:14 am »
It does get good gas mileage Paul.... :lol:

"The new Porsche 911 Turbo S - 530hp, 7-speed paddle-shift gearbox, 0-100kmh in 3.3 seconds, and still manages 24.8mpg"