Racks, Platforms and Bryston

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werd

Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« on: 28 Jan 2010, 12:48 am »
Hello Folks

Anyone have any experiences with racks or platforms that they want to share?. In particular with Bryston front end and amps. I am looking for performance over aesthetics. Considering this rack from symposium.

http://www.symposiumusa.com/products.shtml The ISIS rack on the bottom.

Any before - after comparisons would be interesting to me.

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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #1 on: 28 Jan 2010, 01:01 am »
I am at a loss at how an equipment rack can improve the performance of solid state components such as amplifiers. I can understand a solid rack will assist CD players and Turntables with respect to vibrations. I am currently building a custom rack and am concentrating on the stability of the structure (amoung other considerations :wink:)

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werd

Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #2 on: 28 Jan 2010, 01:07 am »
I am actually more interested in front ends and pre's and less in amps. But still interested in amps. I am looking at  4 tier racks so the amps will go on.

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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #3 on: 28 Jan 2010, 02:40 am »
I just use ordinary furniture. Works for me.

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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #4 on: 28 Jan 2010, 09:30 am »
Werd,

the Isis rack looks really good. i like it. one thing i always think about is the improved audible sound a rack can have? i mean electronics and speakers can do more for you instead of racks?! any anti-vibration technology is good for turntables...but for most other components?

my 2 cents.

al.

werd

Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #5 on: 28 Jan 2010, 08:03 pm »
Werd,

the Isis rack looks really good. i like it. one thing i always think about is the improved audible sound a rack can have? i mean electronics and speakers can do more for you instead of racks?! any anti-vibration technology is good for turntables...but for most other components?

my 2 cents.

al.

Hi alex

Yes the rack thingy falls under room treatment categories. They have a profound affect on imaging and layering. I have used different platforms and racks from symposium and homemade granite shelves with success. Just looking for an all in one rack.

Depends on the music you like too... My metal/hardrock collection sounds better with no treatment at all. But with every other genre of music  i want the improved  layering and the imaging. Brings a more stable soundstage, cymbals aren't swirling all over the place. They sound more distinct and are located. Peformance racks are great and very much under appreciated imho.

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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #6 on: 29 Jan 2010, 12:06 am »

Yes the rack thingy falls under room treatment categories. They have a profound affect on imaging and layering. I have used different platforms and racks from symposium and homemade granite shelves with success. Just looking for an all in one rack.

... i want the improved  layering and the imaging. Brings a more stable soundstage, cymbals aren't swirling all over the place. They sound more distinct and are located. Peformance racks are great and very much under appreciated imho.

Agreed!  :thumb: 

Along with the isolation benefits.... Audio Racks also give your speakers room to project the soundstage without furniture in the way. With a minimum of 0.5M of space all around the speaker. Improved my sound big time.

Robert D

Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #7 on: 29 Jan 2010, 02:31 am »
Mine as well




Robert
This one looks  pretty Good


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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #8 on: 29 Jan 2010, 02:34 am »
Werd whats the cost on the SYMPOSIUM® Isis RACK SYSTEM


Robert

My Solid Tech Radius with all it's Goodies was around 2K


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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #9 on: 29 Jan 2010, 04:01 am »
Agreed!  :thumb: 

Along with the isolation benefits.... Audio Racks also give your speakers room to project the soundstage without furniture in the way. With a minimum of 0.5M of space all around the speaker. Improved my sound big time.

I have a large custom made solid oak entertainment center with 2/3rds housing 42" flat panel TV with drawers below and storage overhead.  Audio is loaded into the remaining 1/3rd 7' column of shelves 24" by 24".  The furniture between the speakers is an issue so I have them moved out into the room with the plane in front of the cabinet.  BTW, if you're starting from scratch furniture between is not a problem as long as your tweeter(s) and mid-range drivers are above the furniture.  My speaks are 5' tall which helps.  Would I go this route if starting new?  Probably not but it does look nice and has an off the charts WAF.  The shade of oak matches the beveled rounded sides of my Infinity 9 Kappas. 

werd

Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #10 on: 29 Jan 2010, 06:23 am »
Werd whats the cost on the SYMPOSIUM® Isis RACK SYSTEM


Robert

My Solid Tech Radius with all it's Goodies was around 2K

Hi robert

$2700 for light duty rack and $3500 for heavy duty. That was from Audio ark in edmo. I would like to see them use the ultra platform on the top rack at least. The rack is svelt grade with rollerball attachments on the 3 legs.

that solid tech you have is gorgeous, i am going to look at those closer.

Robert D

Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #11 on: 29 Jan 2010, 02:29 pm »
Werd

The Solid Tech Radius is like a Rock
Here is a Few Pic's







With all of it's Toy's.... It turns out to be a fine Solid Rock.

Robert

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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #12 on: 29 Jan 2010, 06:23 pm »
Wow, those racks are pricey! Do they really improve performance?

werd

Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #13 on: 29 Jan 2010, 06:29 pm »
Wow, those racks are pricey! Do they really improve performance?

they sure look like they do.... I love Swedish furniture too.

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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #14 on: 29 Jan 2010, 06:36 pm »
Hmm...with the build quality of Bryston and other high-end gear, I can't imagine these racks providing too many benefits. But, to each is own.

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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #15 on: 29 Jan 2010, 07:10 pm »
Take a look at the pics of James' listening rooms. The Bryston gear is always on good supports.

The good racks and good platforms are dangerous things to be exposed to. Prior to exposure the need for them just isn't apparent. Once tried though they can't be lived without. My speakers are 94dB and go from 15Hz to 100kHz powered by 220wpc and augmented by a pair of built in 1kW subwoofer amps so I guess I need more vibration isolation than most. I started with DIY multilayers with vibrapods, acrylic, granite and spikes and went up to Critical Mass Systems platforms and racks. I found them so indispensable that I picked up the line eventually because one client with the same speakers borrowed my CMS GM amp platforms and lent me his in return then insisted he buy mine from me because he too couldn't part with them. Well the customer is always right and I figured I owed him that much after buying luxury car priced speakers from me. I've since gone all CMS. These racks and platforms cost a fortune. Double the price of the Isis but I have had one Isis owner switch over to CMS just as my client switched from all GPA to CMS. For the record I had mine even before the reviews in PFO and Stereophile came out.

I'd say the closest competitor is SRA which is also very good and in the indispensable category. They are also priced similarly. I went with CMS over SRA because with SRA each platform is designed for the weight of the piece of equipment that's to be put on them. The same goes for GPA. CMS is more flexible in that they accommodate a wide range of weights as well as weight distribution which is an issue particularly with tube amps where the bulk of the weight is where the OPTS are located. The racks are also modular so you can go from amp stand to 5 shelves high and anywhere in between.

In shows where manufacturers try to do their best for obvious reasons, you'll see them used by Jeff Rowland, ASR, Lamm, VAC, BAT and many more with products ranging from $5,000 to $140,000. No reason why they shouldn't work just as well with Bryston electronics. Especially since I've never heard a Bryston based system that can be described as "wimpy". Bryston gear is more often than not matched with full range, high output speakers. Such systems almost always benefit from more robust vibration isolation. In fact James might want to give them a crack.

Okay so I sound like I'm pitching so I'll stop now. A bit of a disclaimer though because I am half way around the world and won't benefit from a single penny as you folks are way outside my allowed sales area. It's just that I am so satisfied with mine I just felt I should share that.

werd

Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #16 on: 29 Jan 2010, 07:13 pm »
Take a look at the pics of James' listening rooms. The Bryston gear is always on good supports.

The good racks and good platforms are a dangerous things to be exposed to. Prior to exposure the need for them just isn't apparent. Once tried though they can't be lived without. My speakers are 94dB and go from 15Hz to 100kHz powered by 220wpc and augmented by a pair of built in 1kW subwoofer amps so I guess I need more vibration isolation than most. I started with DIY multilayers with vibrapods, acrylic, granite and spikes and went up to Critical Mass Systems platforms and racks. I found them so indispensable that I picked up the line eventually because one client with the same speakers borrowed my CMS GM amp platforms and lent me his in return then insisted he buy mine from me because he too couldn't part with them. Well the customer is always right and I figured I owed him that much after buying luxury car priced speakers from me. I've since gone all CMS. These racks and platforms cost a fortune. Double the price of the Isis but I have had one Isis owner switch over to CMS just as my client switched from all GPA to CMS. For the record I had mine even before the reviews in PFO and Stereophile came out.

I'd say the closest competitor is SRA which is also very good and in the indispensable category. They are also priced similarly. I went with CMS over SRA because with SRA each platform is designed for the weight of the piece of equipment that's to be put on them. The same goes for GPA. CMS is more flexible in that they accommodate a wide range of weights as well as weight distribution which is an issue particularly with tube amps where the bulk of the weight is where the OPTS are located. The racks are also modular so you can go from amp stand to 5 shelves high and anywhere in between.

In shows where manufacturers try to do their best for obvious reasons, you'll see them used by Jeff Rowland, ASR, Lamm, VAC, BAT and many more with products ranging from $5,000 to $140,000. No reason why they shouldn't work just as well with Bryston electronics. In fact James might want to give them a crack.

Okay so I sound like I'm pitching so I'll stop now. A bit of a disclaimer though because I am half way around the world and won't benefit from a single penny as you folks are way outside my allowed sales area. It's just that I am so satisfied with mine I just felt I should share that.

hello

The CMS are what i am most interested in. but for a two tier rack coming in at 7k, i cant afford it. If i had the cash i would for sure go looking  for them.

JackD201

Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #17 on: 29 Jan 2010, 07:20 pm »
There's good news for you then Werd, Joe is working on a rack system that is much more affordable. It should be out middle of this year.

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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #18 on: 29 Jan 2010, 09:32 pm »
Cool. I wish I could afford those...

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Re: Racks, Platforms and Bryston
« Reply #19 on: 29 Jan 2010, 11:17 pm »
Thanks for the information werd :thumb:

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