[zybar]

I can say for certain that I have never heard the low end of a grand piano reproduced as accurately as what Danny has achieved with the V-1.  The servo is a paradigm shift in bass reproduction.

Hmmm...I am not hearing that from my pair of two driver OB subs (which is the bottom part of the Super V- right?).

They sound good, but no paradigm shift here. 

Could I possibly not have them fully setup properly?   

George

[ebag4]

George,
Just a guess but aren't you only using them from 80Hz (or so) down?  The V-1 uses them up to about 200Hz.  This could be part of the differnce in what you are hearing.

Best,
Ed

[zybar]

George,
Just a guess but aren't you only using them from 80Hz (or so) down?  The V-1 uses them up to about 200Hz.  This could be part of the differnce in what you are hearing.

Best,
Ed

Ed,

That is correct.

I did try them higher up, but ultimately decided they sounded best in my application around 80Hz.

Maybe I will revisit that choice on Sunday when I hope to have rydenfan over for a visit.

George

[Danny Richie]

Hey George,

Don't you have yours just covering the bottom octave?

The V-1's and Super V use them all the way up to 200Hz or so. So the quickness of the servo control is evident over the entire range. That is quite a difference.

I hope you did get your working properly. I know the guy that you bouhg them from never did have them hooked up properly and never did really get to hear them. I hope you are getting all that you can out of them. 

[Danny Richie]

Looks like Ed beat me to it. Good thinking Ed.

[zybar]

Hey George,

Don't you have yours just covering the bottom octave?

The V-1's and Super V use them all the way up to 200Hz or so. So the quickness of the servo control is evident over the entire range. That is quite a difference.

I hope you did get your working properly. I know the guy that you bouhg them from never did have them hooked up properly and never did really get to hear them. I hope you are getting all that you can out of them.

Danny,

You are correct in that they weren't hooked up properly when I received them - thanks for your assistance and excellent customer service on that front.

I believe they are hooked up properly.  Without hearing a different pair, how can I be absolutely sure?

Also, mine doesn't have the cabinets lined with no-rez - how much does that help?

George

[Danny Richie]

Without hearing a different pair, how can I be absolutely sure?

That's a good question. I don't have a good answer. I wish you weren't so far away.

Also, mine don't have the cabinets lined with no-rez - how much does that help?

That can tighten the bass up quite a bit. I certainly noticed a big difference when I put it in a set of W frames. Adding a decorative side panel of some kind to the outside will also help.

[Danny Richie]

I have yet to hear a compression driver that didn't have this characteristic.  OTOH, I guess this is what gives them that "exciting" character that some enjoy.

Okay Lowtech, out of curiosity, what speakers are you using in your system?

[zybar]

Without hearing a different pair, how can I be absolutely sure?

That's a good question. I don't have a good answer. I wish you weren't so far away.

Also, mine don't have the cabinets lined with no-rez - how much does that help?

That can tighten the bass up quite a bit. I certainly noticed a big difference when I put it in a set of W frames. Adding a decorative side panel of some kind to the outside will also help.

Does the decorative side panel help by simply adding more mass?

What about putting weight on top of the OB cabinet??

George

[Danny Richie]

Does the decorative side panel help by simply adding more mass?

Yep.

What about putting weight on top of the OB cabinet??

That won't hurt either. Adding floor spikes (if you don't have them) will really help too.

[zybar]

Does the decorative side panel help by simply adding more mass?

Yep.

What about putting weight on top of the OB cabinet??

That won't hurt either. Adding floor spikes (if you don't have them) will really help too.

How much mass added to the sides is enough?

I already have the subs on Mapleshade cones.

George

[sfdoddsy]

[/quote]

The bass?  OMG!!!  The 18Hz 808 drop used in Pete Belasco's "Deeper" made the room shudder at levels (105dB) that I would not use for extended listening periods.  This was accomplished effortlessly, with nary a protest.  The pressure gradients made the hair on my arms move.  'Nuff said about the bass, I think that pretty well nails it.......... oh, wait: there's more!  The bass is tunefull and articulate in a way that I am unaccustomed to, having vented conventional speakers as a reference.  More so than even Apogee Stages or Divas, speakers that are very familiar to me.
Dave
[/quote]

I think it was established in this thread what the true LF capabilities of the V1 are:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=72286.0

As for the design inspirations, Davey has it right.

Let's see... dynamic dipole... check.

Push pull bass drivers in an H-Frame... check.

Active bass EQ... check.

Midrange panel above H-frame... check.

Swooping side panels... check.

The differences... servo bass and the use of the coax rather than the MT of the Orion.

To me it is an Orion with different drivers. SL would say that this no longer makes it an Orion, just as my speakers are no longer Orions. But I can certainly see where the inspirations for both designs lie.

None of this is to say that the V1s are not an excellent speaker. Maybe even better than the Orion.

And I may even try them out one day. All I'll have to do is drop a new mid panel into my existing speakers.

[dBe]

The differences... servo bass and the use of the coax rather than the MT of the Orion.

To me it is an Orion with different drivers. SL would say that this no longer makes it an Orion, just as my speakers are no longer Orions. But I can certainly see where the inspirations for both designs lie.

None of this is to say that the V1s are not an excellent speaker. Maybe even better than the Orion.

And I may even try them out one day. All I'll have to do is drop a new mid panel into my existing speakers.

How silly of me to think that a speaker with different drivers with technology that is far removed would make the Super V different.  It must be an Orion in different clothing, alright.

My bad.

 

Let us all know how that Orion LF section does keeping up with a Super V mid/hi panel.

Dave

[TRADERXFAN]

I think it was established in this thread what the true LF capabilities of the V1 are:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=72286.0

As for the design inspirations, Davey has it right.

Let's see... dynamic dipole... check.

Push pull bass drivers in an H-Frame... check.

Active bass EQ... check.

Midrange panel above H-frame... check.

Swooping side panels... check.

The differences... servo bass and the use of the coax rather than the MT of the Orion.

To me it is an Orion with different drivers. SL would say that this no longer makes it an Orion, just as my speakers are no longer Orions. But I can certainly see where the inspirations for both designs lie.

None of this is to say that the V1s are not an excellent speaker. Maybe even better than the Orion.

And I may even try them out one day. All I'll have to do is drop a new mid panel into my existing speakers.

Don't forget there is a completely different network, aka "heart of the speaker". And that this is a passive crossover design, rather than active( which required what 6 or 8 channels of amplification vs 2?) I think everyone agrees there is a resemblance. Great. 
Now let it go?
I don't see any reason to get caught up on the idea that this is some kind of "wannabe" or "copycat". What's the point?

[lowtech]

I don't see any reason to get caught up on the idea that this is some kind of "wannabe" or "copycat". What's the point?

Apogee probably felt the same way when confronted by Magnepan.

[TRADERXFAN]

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That super V sure looks great.  Can't wait to hear one for myself.

[sl_1800]

"Uhm, I don't mean to offend you, but the two pairs of Orions that I heard didn't sound very good.  They were both terribly veiled and boring."

To be honest I do like my Orions, but the first time I heard Danny's V1's with the servo woofers I was truly amazed, so much so I came home and played the same recording on my Orion's and my first thought was " my Orion's are very very very boring compared to the V1."

So I have added a pair of GR servo subs to my Orion's and that has made a big difference for me. ( Danny you still need to come up and hear how they sound now )

But lets not forget something in the dymanics of the V1 and super V speakers......the 12" mid from P Audio.  This driver is amazing, it has dynamics in the mid range unlike anything I have ever heard.

I'm working on selling some property, as soon as that is a done deal I'm sure I will be building a set of super V's for myself.

[cujobob]

Isn't this argument like saying that a Ferrari is based on a Model T?  One came before the other...

As for how the OB5 would compare with the Super V, I'd assume they would lack in dynamics big-time.  Nice speaker, though.  I still have a pair of OB7s.

[lowtech]

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[sfdoddsy]

[/quote]

Let us all know how that Orion LF section does keeping up with a Super V mid/hi panel.

Dave
[/quote]

I don't have an Orion LF section. I also adapted the design for increased volume and dynamics, originally with Adire DPL12s and now with a pair of Acoustic Elegance 12" drivers a side. That's why I was (and am) curious about the OB12 servo drivers. The consensus was that I wouldn't gain any increase in depth or dynamics, but might get better quality.