Religion discussed here....

Marbles · « **on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:15 am »

Since Bob likes to talk about religion, if you don't mind Bob, lets create a thread about it here.

I'll go first.

I was raised a Catholic but never have had faith in god.

I do beleive that there is enough evidence to believe that Jesus was a man who had a good message. I also beleive that Constantine the Great had a conference at Nacea about 300 years after Jesus' death and they elevated him to a deity at that time. They also incorporated many of the Pagen rights and beleifs of the time into Catholicism.

Since I have no faith in a God or in fact any gods, I beleive in the Budhist type of treat your fellow man the way you would want to be treated is a pretty good way to go.

I would also think if there was only one supreme being, he would get lonely, and would rather think the way most early polythisms thought, that there were a number of male and femal gods to keep themselves company.

In addition I would tend to beleive that the church made god into man's image than the other way around.....Does god really look like a man???

I don't mind people professing they are religious as long as they don't try to ram it down our throats, and Bob has not done that (thankfully).

ABEX · « **Reply #1 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:26 am »

When a bartender religion is one subject that is taboo.

Religion in audio,now there is a thought!

Seems like religion is reflected in alot of music and it is hard to be an atheist as for myself.

Just thinking!

JohnR · « **Reply #2 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:35 am »

OK, well this is interesting

I'm an atheist, but I have no trouble admitting the most mind-blowingly beautiful music there is (IMHO, of course!) is religiously-inspired. Bach's Magnificat, for instance.

I'd like to point out a misunderstanding which I think I detected in one of Bob's posts, which is the notion that atheism is lack of belief. This is not true, it just doesn't include a deity.

Hantra · « **Reply #3 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:38 am »

Ohh my god, you guys HAVE to be kidding. Someone says the first thing about politics, and the thread gets canned. I just don't understand why THIS ^ is okay.

JohnR · « **Reply #4 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:41 am »

It all in da tone, meister.

That's why politics got canned. We haven't figured out where we stand on religion yet

Hantra · « **Reply #5 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:42 am »

Ohh cool. . .

Well. . . Praise the Lord then!

Stay away from those fires down there man. . .

Tyson · « **Reply #6 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:47 am »

The problem with christianity, or any (monotheistic religion proporting to have an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good diety) is how do you account for the existence of sin? If god is all good and all knowing, and all things were created by god, then how can sin exist? No one has ever answered this question very well to me.

Hantra · « **Reply #7 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:51 am »

Choice.

Marbles · « **Reply #8 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:52 am »

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The problem with christianity, or any (monotheistic religion proporting to have an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good diety) is how do you account for the existence of sin? If god is all good and all knowing, and all things were created by god, then how can sin exist? No one has ever answered this question very well to me.

And what dumbass made sex outside of marriage a sin (that includes prematial as well as extra maritual)????

Marbles · « **Reply #9 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:56 am »

Hantra, since it is up to each moderator to determine the rules for their circle and since Bob made religion a part of his opening monologue I thought he approved of religous posts and threads. Should this turn out not to be the case, he can certainly send this thread to the intergalctic wastebin.

To my knowlage, no other circle tolerates religious threads or posts.

Tyson · « **Reply #10 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:58 am »

Choice does not answer the question. For choice to exist, sin must first exist, which comes back to my original question - where did sin come from? If god is all good, how can evil or sin come in to existence in the first place?

Hantra · « **Reply #11 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 01:58 am »

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Hantra, since it is up to each moderator to determine the rules for their circle and since Bob made religion a part of his opening monologue I thought he approved of religous posts and threads. Should this turn out not to be the case, he can certainly send this thread to the intergalctic wastebin.

So by that logic, if the Empirical Audio forum decided to make a rule that tolerates slamming Stan Warren, that'd be cool too.

Hantra · « **Reply #12 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 02:02 am »

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For choice to exist, sin must first exist, which comes back to my original question - where did sin come from? If god is all good, how can evil or sin come in to existence in the first place?

Sin came into our world as the result of blatent disobedience to one of God's commands. God grants us all choices, and if we choose to disobey his commands, then we are sinning.

Marbles · « **Reply #13 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 02:02 am »

I don't think so, God's never won a court case except in one MOVIE, SW would have a much better chance, therefore Borg would step in in all probablility

Hantra · « **Reply #14 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 02:04 am »

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SW would have a much better chance, therefore Borg would step in in all probablility

Hahaha. . .OK. . Good one. .

Tyson · « **Reply #15 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 02:05 am »

So, man created sin?

And man is a creation of who? How could god create a being so flawed? Knowing, in advance, even before he created man, that his creation was doomed to sin and also condemning many people to an existence of eternal suffering. Doesn't sound like an "all-good" diety to me.

Of course, if you believe that god is merely a powerful being with a wicked sense of humor, it all starts to make sense

Hantra · « **Reply #16 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 02:10 am »

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So, man created sin?

Actually man didn't "create" sin, but man started the sinning as a result of Satan tempting man to do so.

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And man is a creation of who? How could god create a being so flawed? Knowing, in advance, even before he created man, that his creation was doomed to sin and also condemning many people to an existence of eternal suffering. Doesn't sound like an "all-good" diety to me.

Man is a creation of God, and God created a perfect being. However, God is also a JUST god, and therefore man was given the power of choice.

Imagine if you were a dude with the power to make anyone love you regardless of their will to do so. That would get old after a while, and it would suck really bad. . .

Tyson · « **Reply #17 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 02:12 am »

So you are saying man was created to have choice?

But the angels already had choice, so what was the point in creating man?

Tyson · « **Reply #18 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 02:14 am »

Ah, here's another thought - maybe god tried to create another perfect being, but failed and decided to let us live in our imperfect state, rather than fix the mistake. . .

Hantra · « **Reply #19 on:** 10 Jan 2004, 02:19 am »

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what was the point in creating man?

Well. . . I don't purport to know everything, and this is one that I can't really answer.