Spray equipment and paint

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Re: Spray equiptment and paint
« Reply #20 on: 17 Jul 2009, 02:38 pm »
not even to flush everything up?  I guess this is more for the absorbing then surface treatment. right?

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Re: Spray equipment and paint
« Reply #21 on: 17 Jul 2009, 02:43 pm »
Remember that MDF has a protective wax coating so if you sand the MDF you will remove the wax. 

When we were doing my project we used different cloths to help with the dust.  After the clear coat was put on we had to be extremely cognizant what touched the surface because the cabinets were easily scratched.

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« Reply #22 on: 17 Jul 2009, 02:50 pm »
I have to sand the panels so some wax will be removed.  I need to sand the edges all flush plus I need to fill some stupid screw holes I did not even use.  The whole thing is going to be sanded that is why i was wondering if I should do the primary sand first then shellac.
Man I am confused on someting stupid.  I think I am just gonna do it and see what happens.

Kris

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Re: Spray equipment and paint
« Reply #23 on: 17 Jul 2009, 02:53 pm »
I never tried shellac.  I did use standard Titebond with water.  If it was me I would do what you are doing as well.  Shellac or glue/water the entire thing. 

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Re: Spray equipment and paint
« Reply #24 on: 17 Jul 2009, 03:37 pm »
I'm a little late and this may all be useless, but here goes anyway....
Just a couple thoughts and ideas that I've learned recently.

I've done a little baffle building recently using a two part resin intended for use with fiberglass cloth (although I'm not using the cloth). Despite the resin being VERY thick, it will soak into the edges of MDF. I've found it takes four to six coats of resin for it to stop soaking in. of course, sanding with either a belt sander or palm sander in between each layer.

An auto parts store will have Bondo brand body filler (two part epoxy). This works great for filling larger defects. Between 10 and 30 minutes (humidity dependent) it's ready to sand. A one gallon can is about $25.

For the smaller defects and scratches I use a tube of "Glazing and Spot Putty". It comes out of a tube just like toothpaste, very easy to use/apply and very easy to sand. A tube cost less than $10, very worthwhile investment and much easier to use for smaller defects than the two part body filler.

If you're using a sprayer, you'll need to buy an in-line air pressure regulator. You'd also be wise to get an inline dryer so you're not mixing atomized water in with your paint. And be sure to drain the water from the compressor before you spray.

I've heard of guys hanging sheets of plastic drop cloth from their garage ceiling in effect building a "paint booth". This will help keep bugs and dust from getting on the project. Also help to keep the overspray from getting all over things.

Before each application of primer/shellac/paint, I wipe down the entire project with a clean dry microfiber cloth. Wallyworld sells them in the automotive department in a 10 pack for something like $5. I mention this, because if you buy the ones from the housewares department they're much more expensive. It's amazing how well dust sticks to these.

Good idea about mixing wood glue with water as a coating. That's a new one on me. What ratio do you guys use?

Hope that helps Kris

Bob

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Re: Spray equipment and paint
« Reply #25 on: 17 Jul 2009, 03:51 pm »
Good idea about mixing wood glue with water as a coating. That's a new one on me. What ratio do you guys use?

I have no ratio as it was a suggestion to me from the builder.  He keeps a container with the mixture in it.  When he needs it he mixes more water with it until it's much thinner than the glue itself. 

FWIW, completing a high-gloss finish on my cabinets cost me more than double what I was expecting.  I did request that we experiment for every part the cost for parts, different primers, PAINT, accessories, cleaning products, etc. added up really fast.

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Re: Spray equipment and paint
« Reply #26 on: 17 Jul 2009, 04:49 pm »
Just remember, wherever you sand the wax off, you will have to add tons of glue or shellac.  There isn't a right or wrong, just more or less work.

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Re: Spray equipment and paint
« Reply #27 on: 17 Jul 2009, 05:49 pm »
Sounds like you are building a Geddes kit...

What I did was do the assembly with glue
fill the imperfections with minwax wood filler
sand filler
then fill/sand again down to 320 grit until smooth to the touch
then used the bondo glazing putty to fill in pinhole type spots/ glue lines (this is because of the roundover you can't fill the glue lines with minwax easily).

then when smooth to the eye, in oblique lighting, then go on to sealing with shellac.
I used zinsser in a can, brushed on 2 coats, that seemed to be enough.

Then bins primer/sand
then paint

( I used high gloss lacquer. Which takes forever to harden, so must be very patient. This is not a high performance paint, but I just wanted to get them painted after so many delays on getting the parts and other holdups)  There are no edges visible at all.

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Re: Spray equipment and paint
« Reply #28 on: 17 Jul 2009, 07:52 pm »
This article might also be of help. It was brought to my attention just moments ago, so it's "hot off the press".

Bob


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Re: Spray equipment and paint
« Reply #30 on: 18 Jul 2009, 12:02 am »
Great references guys!  Will have to sticky this thread. 

sts9fan

Re: Spray equipment and paint
« Reply #31 on: 18 Jul 2009, 07:46 pm »
Those are great links! Thanks for all the help!