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Many prefer full-range sound from their mains, but I suppose we differ on the best way to go about getting great bass. Dr. Geddes, who tested/recommended this amp, builds systems that involve multiple subs powered by rack ramps.
If you read Dr Geddes results you can see that the ability of the amp to eliminate switching distortion at low volume settings is exactly why he found it to work so well, so his argument was the exact opposite of having only one volume setting that sounded good. He also stated that this property was specific to this amp only and that other receivers did "suck" as werd so eloquently put it.I don't know if Geddes' theory or his results hold water, I haven't heard the receiver. But I wish people would at least take the time to read up on the background before posting erroneous statements. Oh wait, this is the internet, nevermind.
Well there's 1 way to find out about this "worldbeating" receiver, EBAY has 2 auctions up now, currently a $.99 bid auction and a $100 bid auction. Knock yourself out. Cheers,Robin
An interesting thread. Reminds me of a few years ago when other digital receivers were getting lots of positive press - Panny SAXR series (I owned 3), JVC (I owned 2) and the Teac I still own.
Try as I might, you're still not listening. It's not the volume control and it has nothing to do with the Pioneer Elite line, it's the lowest priced receivers we're talking about. Again, not about price, it's their cheapest gear. It's best if you take the time to go back and read the links to Dr Geddes internet posts, especially the one where he describes the way he tests for the switching distortion. Again, I don't know if his opinions or theories hold water, if everyone here will quit linking the eBay auctions I might actually get one of the receivers at a low enough price to find out. But absent reading the material, lets try again with the synopsis:"If you read Dr Geddes results you can see that the ability of the amp to eliminate switching distortion at low volume settings is exactly why he found it to work so well, so his argument was the exact opposite of having only one volume setting that sounded good. He also stated that this property was specific to this amp only and that other receivers did "suck" as werd so eloquently put it."
LetitrollAre you refering to post 71? If so i don't read that assertion at all regarding the preamp volume crapping out. Show me the links.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/151376-homster-how-i-learned-how-fix-horn-5.htmlA thread discussing the measurements -http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/109147-geddes-distortion-measurements.html
I don't have numbers on my display, musta not clicked that option, so I don't know which one is #71.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/151376-homster-how-i-learned-how-fix-horn-5.htmlA thread discussing the measurements -http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/109147-geddes-distortion-measurements.htmlThe only comparison I could find in these threads between the Pioneer receiver and anything else was to a Sanyo receiver which measured poorly by his metrics and Dr. Geddes referred to as unlistenable. Hardly definitive.As to the original poster's assertion that this Pioneer $200 rcvr beats $11k separates, I've no problem believing that at all, especially if his technical expert assembled the $11k system. If that advisor truly believed the Plinus and dartZeel share similar topologies, their advice is of questionable merit. The darZeel has a complementary output stage, whereas the Plinus a quasi-complementary output stage; hardly similar at all.....FWIW
I don't have numbers on my display, musta not clicked that option, so I don't know which one is #71. And I really do agree with you about most consumer grade receivers lacking in any comparative sound quality referenced to high quality components. But Geddes says (I repeat, Geddes says, not me) that this one is different and he has compared it to separates and other receivers. I did some on line searching for reviews of the sound quality, very hard to find as most people are concerned with video switching and how well the GUI works, but for what I could find the reviews were very mixed at best regarding sound quality of the chip amp. The VSX 814 appears to have the same chip and has the added benefit of a detachable power cord, but the reviews of the SQ trashed it, the VSX 912 received much better SQ reviews, have no idea if there is a difference in the preamp or something, the chassis appears identical.Anyway, here's the links. I may have also did some reading of links embedded in these posts, can't remember.
Quote from: Letitroll98 on Today at 01:20 PMI don't have numbers on my display, musta not clicked that option, so I don't know which one is #71. Are you sure, it's right under the post title? Steve
A very quick update, receiver arrived today and installed tonight. I don't want to draw any conclusions this early, nothings been switched back for comparison, but I gotta say, I'm pretty impressed. Cold out of the box it sounded pretty good, and after a few hours seems to be trouncing my separates in clarity with instruments and voices sounding more real. I have a few reservations and need way more time, but from expecting a cold, lifeless, brittle sound at startup, I'm quite frankly stunned. Certainly worth the $100.
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