$200 rcvr beats $11k separates

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SET Man

Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #40 on: 15 Apr 2011, 12:00 am »
Hey!

    I agreed that $$$$$ does not guarantee a better sound. I've seen many this so called "giant killer" come and go. But this is a case of i won't believe it until I hear it myself.

   

Take care,
Buddy  :thumb:

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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #41 on: 15 Apr 2011, 12:05 am »
Well yeah, that's always the case with me. But I'm cheap.  :green:

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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #42 on: 15 Apr 2011, 12:09 am »
The way I see all this is that James simply downgraded his system from class A to Class D. LOL.  Period!

The receiver uses a Class A/B chipamp.  I own the 919 and will agree that it sounds fantastic with Gedlee Abbeys.  There are better amps, clearly, but for the price, with these speakers, I have no interest in upgrading.  FWIW, I have a $2,000 + tube amp on my other high-end speakers that don't sound nearly as good.

sts9fan

Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #43 on: 15 Apr 2011, 12:17 am »
Recievers are boring.

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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #44 on: 15 Apr 2011, 12:21 am »

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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #45 on: 15 Apr 2011, 12:37 am »
Recievers are boring.

So are class A separates!

sts9fan

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« Reply #46 on: 15 Apr 2011, 12:38 am »
You may be right.

nicksgem10s

Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #47 on: 15 Apr 2011, 01:02 am »
I would normally question the sound quality of any receiver.  The only time I visited Dr. Geddes I heard his Summa speakers and was incredibly impressed.

I was left scratching my head when I found out he was using this very inexpensive Pioneer receiver. 

I think that was when I started to realize how important speakers and room treatment/acoustics are in the final sound.

I have not purchased the receiver or the speakers........yet.  That was three years ago this month when I heard his system.  My review is still posted on his website.

It left a serious impression on me and I am not really sure why I haven't purchased his speakers.

-Nick

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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #48 on: 15 Apr 2011, 01:06 am »
We are all on a journey here!

timind

Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #49 on: 15 Apr 2011, 01:30 am »
Here's your chance, only four days left on this auction! If I lived in SoCal...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140534531373&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

cloudbaseracer

Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #50 on: 15 Apr 2011, 01:36 am »
Here's your chance, only four days left on this auction! If I lived in SoCal...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140534531373&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

And now we are back to my original question which sparked this threads revival---

I believe Earl Geddes is now using the Pioneer 919.  He very well may have switched from the 912 but I am not sure why.

Anyone talked to Earl about this recently and have any input?

Anyone know of the differences between the 912 and the 919?

Thanks,

James

mrhyfy

Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #51 on: 15 Apr 2011, 01:42 am »
I recently bought a pioneer elite sc-05 which replaced mid range separates. (oppo,aragon, anthem).  MUCH to my surprise,,I felt the sc-05 sounded much better!!Just my 2 cents

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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #52 on: 15 Apr 2011, 02:43 am »
Still just as relevant IMHO.  Far too many people are used to inexpensive receivers sounding like...well...inexpensive receivers.

Just look for the Pioneer receivers using the proper chipamps.  The other amps they use might sound good, too, but chipamps have their own advantages which Dr. Geddes believes makes a big difference.

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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #53 on: 15 Apr 2011, 02:46 am »
...and your avatar is over 40 years old!   :lol:  OK - just kidding...  Atom Heart Mother and Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast are a couple of my all time favorites.

I do know that Earl bought something different, but beats me if I can remember what... another lowish end Pioneer with an HDMI input so he could play Blu-Rays, I believe. 

I will say that I really love the sound of the Abbeys with my Yamaha receiver, and I think the bottom line is that great speakers make all the difference as long as you have any kind of decent source to drive them.   

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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #54 on: 15 Apr 2011, 02:49 am »
Here's your chance, only four days left on this auction! If I lived in SoCal...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140534531373&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Thanks, just blab it out to everybody so the auction bids up even higher.  Thanks a lot.  I was going to snag this real cheap while no one was looking at this tired old thread (as noted by QE), but noooo, you wouldn't let that happen would you?  Why don't you just go over to AA and a few other forums and spread your poison there as well, should drive it up over $1,000.  And I thought we were friends, boy, that and $4.95 will get me a cup o' Starbucks, unless you go corner the coffee market or something leaving me with herbal tea or something.  Jeeze, some people!


(j/k of course timind.  However I do admit to a 'darn' when I saw your link)

Phil A

Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #55 on: 15 Apr 2011, 02:52 am »
owner and service manuals can be found at:

http://www.hifiengine.com/

Looks like the PAC011A amplifier modules are also used in these models:

Pioneer VSX-D209
Pioneer VSX-D409
Pioneer VSX-D414
Pioneer VSX-D509
Pioneer VSX-D510
Pioneer VSX-D511
Pioneer VSX-D514
Pioneer VSX-D710
Pioneer VSX-D712
Pioneer VSX-D714
Pioneer VSX-D810
Pioneer VSX-D811
Pioneer VSX-D812
Pioneer VSX-D814
Pioneer VSX-D912

There's plenty of cheap ones around.  I'm quite happy with my stuff.  If anyone wants one they are not terribly hard to find:



http://illinois.theelectronicsshopper.com/electronics/pioneer-vsx-d409-51-home-theater-surround-receiver-100wpc-pioneer.html


http://inlandempire.daype.com/electronics/phones-tvs-other/pioneer-500-watt-vsx-d511-75-pomona-91766-Ad-1117342.html


http://new-jersey.freeshopperads.com/electronics/pioneer-dsx-vsx-d811s-7-channel-av-receiver.html


http://baltimore.daype.com/electronics/phones-tvs-other/Pioneer-VSX-D509S-51-channel-500-Watt-Receiver-130-Gwynn-Oak-Ad-298593.html

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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #56 on: 15 Apr 2011, 03:35 am »
And now we are back to my original question which sparked this threads revival---

The 919 was a newer model with many more features incl hdmi, usb, etc...

cloudbaseracer

Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #57 on: 15 Apr 2011, 03:46 am »
The 919 was a newer model with many more features incl hdmi, usb, etc...

Thanks, - Does the 919 use the PAC011A amplifier module?  How would one know?


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Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #58 on: 15 Apr 2011, 03:49 am »
Thanks, - Does the 919 use the PAC011A amplifier module?  How would one know?

I believe you look for the ones that say Pioneer Hybrid Amp technology. The 1019 is another more expensive model.

Phil A

Re: $200 rcvr beats $11k separates
« Reply #59 on: 15 Apr 2011, 12:33 pm »
My Pioneer 1120 has a chip amplifier.  Don't know which one though.  I bought it for my secondary basement system (which has some new stuff and hand me downs from over the years).  The room is large (perhaps around 650 square feet) and I had (actually still have it laying around) a Marantz SR7300 OSE (orig. spec. ed.) down there.  When I first got the Pioneer 1120 I had an old Micromega DAC (I sold it since and have the Emotiva DAC) and a Marantz DV9600 as a CD transport.  I have old B&W P6s as mains down there and a PS3 for Blu-Ray.  While the Pioneer 1120 sounded very pleasant (not harsh), it just couldn't cut it for me vs. what I had before as far as dynamics, bass and imaging vs. what I had before and just lacked punch on HT.

I replaced it with an Onkyo 1000 and am doing 8.1 in the basement.  I moved the Pioneer 1120 to the office system where I have 4.1, including Mobile Fidelity OML-1s as mains and a Sony Blu-Ray player (which also does SACD).  The office is probably 200 square feet (or less than a third of the basement) and it really sounds tons better.  I have not gotten around to compare it to anything and most of the time I use the Pioneer 1120 to tune internet radio but most of the shortcomings I had with it in the basement seem to be minimal or gone.