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Again--I doubt that it's cone materials, or listener sensitivity to different materials--I'll bet the farm (which is probably in foreclosure anyhow) that it's a crossover issue. So don't limit your search in any way. Magnesium, aluminum, paper, treated paper, banana peel, whatever. The important thing is to try and listen first, or have iron clad return privileges.
Agreed...I've heard Axioms sound awful, and I've heard Axioms sound great. Heard bright soft domes and laid back metal cones. Just as an option (and building on what Dennis said) Skiing Ninja seems to be offering re-build Axiom crossovers: http://www.skiingninja.com/Axiom-M22v2-Upgrades-p/m22v2.htm (some measurements in the link for those who like to see them. Don't have a strong opinion on the matter either way as I haven't heard them with the SN crossovers). Don't see your models listed but it would hurt to ask. But beyond all this the most sage advice rings true: If you don't like it, return it.
Let's see. $470 for a pair of M22's (even cheaper through the Outlet Store) and $317 for new crossovers. I wonder how many people actually do that.It's also been suggested to me to have Axion send me some resisitors to place on the tweeter section to roll off the highs a bit.Let's see what happens tomorrow!
Like you, I'm kind of doubting a lot of those $317 crossover mods are going out the door. And the designer is using a philosophy I don't think holds up. He deliberately elevates the on-axis response at the upper end so that the response 30 degrees off axis will appear flat, arguing that most people listen off axis, so that's where you want flat response. The problem is, most people don't end up listening that far off axis at normal listening distances, and certainly not if any toe-in is used. Plus, that on-axis sound isn't just disappearing--it's getting reflected and reaching the ears indirectly. the overall response will still sound bright. As for just using resistors--that's tricky. The brightness you are hearing may be due to inadequately controlled cone breakup in the metal woofers, which usually is in the 5-7 kHz range. Adding tweeter attenation isn't going to do anything about that.
This post is not to degrade Danny as a designer at GRresearch, he had designed many great sounding speakers, most people would agree. BTW I have not heard any of his speakers...
Quote from: ttan98 on 22 Feb 2009, 09:21 amThis post is not to degrade Danny as a designer at GRresearch, he had designed many great sounding speakers, most people would agree. BTW I have not heard any of his speakers...Wait a minute... if you are suggesting Danny Richie designs the crossovers for Skiing Ninja... that is wrong!Skiing Ninja / Sean Parque is located in Wellington, Colorado. Danny Richie / GR Research is 700 miles southeast located in Iowa Park, Texas.From the "About Us" page of Skiing NinjaSkiing Ninja Systems started in May of 2006 after years of Sean's involvement in the audio world. Many of you may know the name Sean Parque and many may be hearing it for the first time, but either way if it was not for his passion to great sound none of us would be here. Sean's upgraded crossovers and speakers found their way to a few others and they loved what they heard. People wanted to have the upgraded crossovers for themselves and started calling them the 'Ninja Crossovers'.BTW, don't read too much into specs or assume anything about Danny's work. Two years ago I laughed, mocked and criticized one of his designs on his forum... but when I finally had a chance to hear them, I was smitten. Danny's work is impeccable and untouchable. His least expensive speakers will put to shame most things out there because of the extraordinary performance to value ratio. Simply put, GR Research, although little known, is the definitive, butt kicking, highest of the high value speaker company on the planet.
I never said that or suggested/implied that. What I mean was his designs from his forum. They are for everyone to see.
Quote from: ttan98 on 22 Feb 2009, 01:05 pmI never said that or suggested/implied that. What I mean was his designs from his forum. They are for everyone to see. Okay, why did you even bring it up then? Your comments about Danny and GR research are in direct response to DMurphy's post, and he made no reference to Danny / GR Research.
