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The parts in that are not worth $10k let alone $60k that one monoblock costs. I expect to see Teflon V-caps, S102's, and Blackgates, with R-core transformers for anything that cost in the tens of thousands of dollars. What do you think the odds are there are no silver wires inside either? The circuit might be a good design but.... come on! Put some parts in it with a price tag like that. No one should ever want to modify a set of monoblocks that cost $120k.
I guess the real question is why some people's designs are worth soooo much more than others. That question especially applies to the situation that sound is subjective at large money levels. There are people out there doing design for almost free or letting people use it. Look at Pass Labs. Peter Daniels dual monoblocks with separate PSU's $600 worth of parts $2,000 price tag, 3.3x for designPass Labs amplifier Alpha J $500 worth of parts, $2,000 price tag, 4x for design Altman amplifier $100 worth of parts $1200 price tag, 12x for design. Lamm amplifier $2,000 worth of parts (maybe) $61,000 30.1x for design. If you consider the amount of fabrication PD would be reduced to like 2x the design, Pass Labs would be 3x, Altman would be like 11x, and Lamm would be about 28x...Seriously.... PD and Pass Labs both have their information out for free. Both of them on subjective levels compete with Levinson gear or anything else in that high of a price range, and Pass Labs objectively competes with anything.
Quote from: Destroyer of Smiles. on 13 Jan 2009, 09:15 pmI guess the real question is why some people's designs are worth soooo much more than others. That question especially applies to the situation that sound is subjective at large money levels. There are people out there doing design for almost free or letting people use it. Look at Pass Labs. Peter Daniels dual monoblocks with separate PSU's $600 worth of parts $2,000 price tag, 3.3x for designPass Labs amplifier Alpha J $500 worth of parts, $2,000 price tag, 4x for design Altman amplifier $100 worth of parts $1200 price tag, 12x for design. Lamm amplifier $2,000 worth of parts (maybe) $61,000 30.1x for design. If you consider the amount of fabrication PD would be reduced to like 2x the design, Pass Labs would be 3x, Altman would be like 11x, and Lamm would be about 28x...Seriously.... PD and Pass Labs both have their information out for free. Both of them on subjective levels compete with Levinson gear or anything else in that high of a price range, and Pass Labs objectively competes with anything. The answer is simple. Some companies have more overhead than others. There is also the matter that what something sells for, has only marginal relation with what it cost. The value of something very simply, is what someone is willing to pay for it. Marketing goods changes the price that people are willing to pay by a large amount. Also, there are intangibles that go into delivering goods and services that are difficult for people to see and understand. Run a business and you will quickly find them. The bottom line for Nelson and putting out the DIY information, is that he does that for reasons other than money. It is kind of hard to expect large companies to operate like that though. They consist of a group of people and they are not doing it as a hobby. They are doing it to keep shareholders and investors happy. Two totally different perspectives in terms of the people involved and there is nothing unethical about either of them. I'd also point out that the cost your calculating, is just the raw materials. You are leaving out all the other cost associated with delivering goods and services. You can ignore those other cost only for so long and they are substantial.
Nelson, PD, and Altmann's stuff sells itself. Plus they probably sell more amplifiers. In the world of audiophile there are not very many actual "large companies". There just is not enough people buying the stuff to have very large companies. Kevin you are pretty well in the same boat. You sell stuff without having to plaster Stereophile with advertisements and stuff like that, and for prices that reflect the work and parts, and some overhead. You however are not charging more than houses cost either. There are people that WANT to pay more than necessary, and they need all the advertising and stuff convince them that it is right.
Stereophile blog Wes Philips "This is what the Lamm ML3 Signature looks like under the hood. Clean layout and P2P wiring throughout."And this guy is suppose to tell us what is good?Anyone see or hear any cool stuff?
Quote from: sts9fan on 12 Jan 2009, 07:21 pmStereophile blog Wes Philips "This is what the Lamm ML3 Signature looks like under the hood. Clean layout and P2P wiring throughout."And this guy is suppose to tell us what is good?Anyone see or hear any cool stuff? Is it just me, or does something not jive with that statement? They say P2P wiring throughout. Um, that is one big ass PCB and there are traces on it. It is not just for holding the components. Not that I think it makes any difference, but where do they come up with this stuff? Just because they use flying leads from big parts to PCB, doesn't make it "P2P throughout". BTW, I can't tell anything about the circuit from the picture, but the the parts and build looks pretty pedestrian to my eyes.
I'd actually prefer an amplifier design that wasn't very critical of the parts. It's usually what I shoot for when I make something.
