Cornet2 vs. Viagra

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #60 on: 27 Sep 2008, 09:40 pm »
The red resistors are PRPs? What are PRPs?



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Installing by chapter is what I am doing, you bet. From shortest component to tallest. Some of these things may make no difference I don't know. But I am doing the build it once thing. I have already heard most of the capacitors that are going in and know where I want to tone for. Putting the fun back in audio is what the Hagerman motto is and I am buying into it.

The funny thing about these little components is that when they arrive in the mail and I open them up they look like little bits of music. I guess that's one of the ways you can tell you've lost it.

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #61 on: 27 Sep 2008, 11:49 pm »
Hey Pat, compared the PRPs to the Holcos they're supposed to replace? Against anything else?


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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #62 on: 28 Sep 2008, 12:07 am »
I heard the PRP in direct comparison to 'vintage' Vishay's, same value, etc, and the PRPs came off fuller. The Vishay's might have more control but that is as afterthought to my first impression: "That lost some weight" when I heard the Vishay's after taking the PRPs out.


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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #63 on: 28 Sep 2008, 10:48 pm »
For what it's worth... Parts Connexion has Jupiter Beeswax caps discounted 30% until Oct 31. Tubes, have you had enough time to listen to them to offer some comments?

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #64 on: 30 Sep 2008, 04:41 pm »
Beeswax....

Its too early to give you a final rundown.  They are a different animal of capacitor vs what most of us have been spinning. 

So far nothing I've rolled in the way of caps gets voices this good. 

Thanks should go to Pat OMalley for evaluating these caps on his Clarinet.  He and I really love vocals.  They might be the toughest thing for a cap to get right.  So far the bass is decent and the highs are the only rough area but are easily as good as a polyprop cap.  It is too early to know how they will end up.

More to follow.

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #65 on: 5 Oct 2008, 05:50 pm »
Can you help me with is a likely dumb question? When do you use the Mono switch on the Cornet2?
I have just scored this near mint Columbia 6eye pressing of Drum Suite by The Jazz Messengers (CL1002) which the back cover says it's 360 degrees of sound. I think that means it's a mono recording. Do I use use the mono switch now? Let me know because I'm dying to spin this one.

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #66 on: 5 Oct 2008, 06:41 pm »
Ron,

A lot of mono LP's are actually stereo mastered.  I would just play the album both ways.  You can flip this switch on the fly without sonic nasties. 

I have not felt the mono switch engaged with a stereo cartridge to sound as good as my vintage GE mono cartridge. 

I think I should purchase a Denon 102 soon.  That should be an interesting cartridge with some of Pat OMalley's favorite mods.

Cheers!

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #67 on: 5 Oct 2008, 06:55 pm »
I have just scored this near mint Columbia 6eye pressing of Drum Suite by The Jazz Messengers (CL1002) which the back cover says it's 360 degrees of sound. I think that means it's a mono recording. Do I use use the mono switch now? Let me know because I'm dying to spin this one.

Here is a link to a Columbia label page: http://heroinc.0catch.com/columbia/

Sounds like the original jacket was trashed and they stuck the 6-eye into a later one, lucky you. Love "Cubano Chant".

Jeff

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #68 on: 5 Oct 2008, 07:29 pm »
Tubes and Jeff,

Spun this one and Art Blakey really puts out a primal beat. We were dancing with a vigor that is rare for us. Good thing the TT is suspended and damped! I tried flipping the switch several times and found that stereo seemed to sound the best. The Columbia label website is a great reference. I've discussed this record with my supplier and we are both convinced that the vinyl and the jacket are legit (original) and had been well taken care of. "Cubano Chant" is great and "Oscalypso" has a relentless driving rhythm. I love this stuff!

Tubes, hows the beeswax?

ronpod

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #69 on: 5 Oct 2008, 08:00 pm »
A quick comment about my recent tube rolling experience. I was troubleshooting the "turn on" problem to see if I could isolate the problem to one of the tubes. I have an Amprex Bugleboy 12AX7 in the V200 socket and a Mullard in V201. I suspect the Amprex BB becasue of how loud the phenomena is. So I swapped the position of those two tubes. The volume of the Cornet dropped considerable and the dynamics were layed back in comparison. I liked the dynamics of the BB more than the Mullard but I think there's something not right with the BugleBoy. I'm going back to my tube guy to see if we can arrange a swap to another BugleBoy. Hopeful that will solve the problem and the dynamics will remain.

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #70 on: 5 Oct 2008, 09:22 pm »
ronpod, The Raytheon 12AX7 is very close in dynamics to the Amperex BBs and has none of the microphonics.

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #71 on: 5 Oct 2008, 09:37 pm »
Pat, I'll see if my tube guy has a Raytheon. I was surprised at how big and difference swapping the tubes made! Microphonics would explain it. Thanks.

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #72 on: 8 Dec 2008, 01:05 am »
I thought that I would report back on the Cornet2 after extensive burn in time on both the C2 and the FT-3 Teflon bypass on the big power supply caps in the power amp. While visiting the SoundSmith room at the RMAF back in October to see the strain gauge cartridge, a surprise appearance and performance by a Direct Grace Records recording artist. Peter Lederman, the brain behind SoundSmith has started Direct Grace with an interesting business model; recording artists donate their talents, all costs for the project are from donations, and profits resulting go directly to organizations that operate without waste; ground level workers who rescue and support the world's most at-risk children. (www.stolenchildhoods.org www.rescuingemmanuel.org)

The record that I bought for $40 was Bill Frisell & Doug Wamble - Volume 1. The recording was made with two matched pairs of AKG model C 414 B-XLS, A-B configured mikes; no EQ, compression or effect equipment was used in the signal path ~ recorded live in the SoundSmith "studio" direct-to-disk on a Neumann VMS70 Lathe #2. There are 2 stereo 45 rpm LPs in this set.

The instruments that Bill and Doug played are incredible hand made Guitars ~ "Spot" and "Ms. Natural" ~ courtesy of Ken Parker, Archtops Guitars. www.kenparkerarchtops.com

I didn't have a chance to listen to this recording until this morning. If you like acoustic jazz guitar, you gotta hear this! This recording has been the best test of the Cornet2 yet - and the Cornet2 is able to put Bill Frisell and Doug Wamble in my living room! Actually I could hear the acoustics of the recording space and the absolutely fabulous sounds of Ken Parkers Archtop Guitars. The precision of these guitar players technique is evident and the emotion of this recording session has to be heard to be believed (it prompted Bill to email Peter the day after "THAT was a GOOD day". The Russian FT-3s paralleling the SIOs and the rest of the configuration as listed earlier provides a front end that captures the dynamics acoustic guitar that is indistingushable from the live instrument (I play acoustic guitar). I am so convinced that the Cornet2 has been the best component for the money that I am seriously considering the Clarinet as my next project.

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #73 on: 8 Dec 2008, 02:20 am »
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I am so convinced that the Cornet2 has been the best component for the money that I am seriously considering the Clarinet as my next project.

Here's an interesting experiment I've tried.  If you have an amp with gain controls (I have a Parasound amp) you can run the Cornet2 directly to the amp.  Compare this to the Cornet2 feeding the Clarinet and then to the amp.   My experience is that the sound is vastly improved with the Clarinet in the signal path.  Why is this?  Common wisdom is that it should sound better without anything else.  Anyway, to my ears and brain, this provides evidence for the musicality of the Clarinet.  I do not have an explanation for this.  I find it hard to believe you can go wrong with the Clarinet.  Good luck.

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #74 on: 8 Dec 2008, 04:59 am »
Why is this? Common wisdom is that it should sound better without anything else.

Who the heck knows. Same deal with a pair of my Sennheiser's going into my headphone amp. Sounds better with a 15' starquad Belden cable than all alone. Thin without the Belden but warm with richer detail with it. "Why is this?"

Luckily I have the Clarinet done and finished - bought that way. It is taking me a year to finish the Cornet2.

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Re: Cornet2 vs. Viagra
« Reply #75 on: 8 Dec 2008, 07:59 am »
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My experience is that the sound is vastly improved with the Clarinet in the signal path.  Why is this?  Common wisdom is that it should sound better without anything else.  Anyway, to my ears and brain, this provides evidence for the musicality of the Clarinet.

Analog97 makes some points that I have commented about on this forum.  I have been running passive buffered and pure passive line stages for over 10 years.  My feeling was that if the source was good, then all I really needed was a passive attenuation to achieve volume.

I built the Hagerman Clarinet because on my trips around the west coast to demonstrate the Cornet 2 and my idler project turntables I came to realize that many of my friend's systems were more dynamic and had a certain natural quality to the sound that let you believe you were right there with the performers. 

So I decided to build a Clarinet to test the component parts and pieces that might sound better on my Cornet 2 and to see if the overall sound of my system would improve.

What I discovered was a whole new level of dynamics, ease and presentation.

The SRPP circuit Jim employs is actually two single ended triodes connected by a series resitor to accomplish push pull operation.

You get the magic of the SET sound, and you get the distortion figures and performance of a world class solid state line stage.

I was unhappy with my Clarinet at first, because I could hear the sound stage collapse when the goings got tough.  Even with the Dynamicaps in place of the Auricaps.  I wanted to try these silly looking teflon caps because Vcaps and other USA made teflon caps were 100.00 each.  I figured, why not try a teflon that cost me 8.00.

Well the teflon and the Mundorf SIO have redefined my thinking about the value of an active line stage.  I doubt I could live without it now.

The dynamics are much better, the sound field is rich with details, and bass / mid-bass sounds so natural that I have to pinch myself to make sure I am not dreaming.

Like Ronpod, I play instruments.  Piano and guitar are amoung the hardest instruments to get right for any electronics.  The delivery must have both muscle and bones and have speed and clarity.  The teflons and SIO caps are a marriage made in heaven.

I still own a very high quality purely passive Dale Vishay stepped attenuator.  I am using Vampire direct gold plated oxygen free copper RCA's and 4 nines pure solid core silver for the internal wiring.  I love the sound but it is anemic sounding vs the C2 through the Clarinet.

In you are on the fence about building a line stage.  Jump in.  If you own head phones build the Castinet, but put it in a larger box so you can fit in a source selector switch for the high output section.

If you do not have headphones build the Clarinet.  You will not be disappointed that you did.  And if you use Mundorf SIO 0.82uf caps paralleled with 0.22uf teflon caps then your sound stage is going to display more than a bit of high end magic.  You will need to spend more than 7,000 dollars to get better performance.

I love my Clarinet!  Everything sounds better on this.  CD, SACD, DVD-A, LP's and even concerts recorded to Dolby and Dolby Digital.

Cheers!